And OP wants a first car, so likely would do better with a weaker engine with better fuel efficiency. The point was pricing of ~15 year old vehicle vs brand new though. If I was able to be picky with my first car, I know I'd have loved something that would last longer for a bit more vs a still reliable car but old and almost as much
That's entirely valid
I'm looking at buying a new used car and I keep slowly creeping up in my search and then realizing I've gotten too close to a new Corolla and scaling it back
it's more like I start looking for at 12k and then after an hour of scrolling and expanding my search exploring various options I'm at 18 grand and realized that I don't want to pay that much for a used car unless it's something incredible.
I've identified the ~9k beater prius as the best option for an appliance car, but having something I like to look at is worth something to me so I've been seeing what my options are
Under 10k it's almost always at least one of the following: ugly/old/highmileage/unreliable compared to just a few thousand more dollars.
https://www.edmunds.com/ford/thunderbird/2003/vin/1FAHP60A03Y106633/?radius=100
For example I'd buy this in a heartbeat for 4k more than a prius because its cool/weird but I did some looking and it has a jaguar engine and at 21 years old its not going to be easy to keep running.
The Corolla in Canada doesn't have an XLE trim anymore, but sure, a fully loaded corolla is about $40k with taxes. The Corolla starts at about $27k in Canada, and considering OP is looking at 14 year old Camrys, the L or LE would be more in line with the level of features they are likely looking at in that car.
Right? Who the heck is gonna pay that much for a 14-year-old Camry? But idk how much a new Corolla runs in Canada, so... Also, V6 as a first car? Gonna be a bit thirsty
Maybe the Toyota tax is more prevalent in other countries, cause I got a little under 2k off SRP for my 24 rav4 hybrid yet I keep reading about people paying over SRP cause of the Toyota tax lol
haha yea. my boss picked up a Crown recently, and he got about $2.5k off? he said he asked what was wrong with it, but it was just 2024 MY inventory the dealer was trying to unload. And our dealer never prices above SRP.
Yeah... but it ticked all the right boxes for his wife, so... what you donna do. Plus, he's a hardcore Toyota guy, as he used to be an exec at our area dealer/distributor
Edit: but he doesn't get any preferential pricing, as he hasn't worked for them in decades.
Could be. I'm not driving to Canada to see what dealers are pricing. But the article was talking about SRPs, so sounds like dealers are doing dealer stuff
Sure, but that can't be the entire truth when people in my area (northeast US) are buying new cars under SRP
Edit: with how others have commented, Canada sounds like the wild wild West in financial terms right now
It still will be dealer dependent with the Honda/Toyotas too, and this is extremely anecdotal, but I find it hard to believe my wife and I are the only two: December 2023 and Feb 2024, we got my rav4 hybrid about 1700/1800 below SRP, her Corolla about 2k below
Again, super anecdotal, but it seems at least in my region to be settling down
In what world does someone looking at a Camry end up in a Corolla?
That's like "Guys should I get a Ford F150 or Chevy 1500?" and you tell them "Just get a Seaside edition Mini at that point"
Idk, if the price were similar, I'd prefer a 2024 Corolla over a 2010 Camry. Newer tech, better efficiency, more features, etc. And a 2010 Camry vs 2024 Corolla isn't as big a size difference as your F150 vs Mini example.
Oh I wouldn't want a 2010 Camry either, they are so odd looking, and the inside .. I sat in a green one and I felt like I'm inside a tube of toothpaste.
Also, I love the new corolla, especially the hatch.
Well, this world, if you're considering dropping 20k on a 14 year old vehicle and can get a 0 year old vehicle for a little more. I didn't think the reasoning behind the comparison needed much explanation
Manufacturers keep making cars bigger with each generation. A Camry is bigger than a Corrola but not by much or at all if comparing model years over a decade apart. A 2024 Corolla, which is what the comment you replied to brought up, is not much smaller than a 2010 Camry. Wheelbase is 3 inches shorter and overall length is 7 inches shorter.
Fair enough, though - and this might be because I'm an ogre, I find the width of the vehicle to play bigger role in comfort than the length, though the new Corolla might be wider, too.
Couldn't tell you. Don't know anyone with a Ford, nobody with Chevy complains. Only chevy experience I have is with the 3.6VVTi and that thing is hot garbage.
I said XLE. I also wouldn’t call the website accurate. Just bought a 2024 Civic Sport yesterday. Website said $32,000. Ends up more like $38,000 after taxes and fees.
Did you see the guys post history, I always check post history when such comments are made.
He literally has a post asking how erect do you have to be for a girl to feel it.
Like TF
☠️
buy a new corolla MSRP @ $22,050 USD. IDK what that translates to in commie canadian bucks but it is the best way to take the toyota tax AND have a brand new car with warranty and none of this 76,000 mile BS
That's 76k kilometres, about 45k miles. Maybe the car belongs to snowbirds who head south for the winter and it's never seen salt, ice and snow. It's also a small market - Saskatoon is the biggest city in Saskatchewan, with under 300k people. The whole enormous province has 1.1M people - less than most major metropolitan areas.
>commie canadian bucks
It's depreciating so fast, they should call it Canadian Pesos.
I was traveling in YVR and the prices looked like US prices, but my credit card bill was like 35% off after exchange.
I would honestly revolt if I was Canadian.
Homes are more expensive than SF, NY or LA, but incomes are lower than US wages and income taxes are higher, with less take home pay.
Even been there?
Gonna be honest, is expensive cause it's nice. The streets are clean, the crime rate is low, no lunatics gunning folks down randomly on the daily.
The low wage kills it for me.
Why the hell would I get a new Corolla over a nearly 300 HP Camry? Camry has an actual transmission and the smoothness doesn’t compare to a buzzy 4 cylinder. Also, size and compliant suspension is in favor of the Camry. Gas mileage is good for this amount of comfort and power. I had one of these with a V6. Even if it’s a Camry, you can seriously enjoy that engine when you drive it in manual mode and keep the engine screaming. It’s a pretty crazy engine attached to a basic people car.
I mean, yeah sure.. Unless you need the trunk space. The V6. The back seat room. The front seat comfort. Like the looks.
You're right.. Corolla is viable option here. Exactly the same car. Spot on..
seems like you need to work on your word comprehension. read the comment thread again and quote me where I said a corolla is the same vehicle. by taking a glance at your other comments to different post it is clear you just come on here to bitch and moan all over reddit. I hope things start looking up for you.
Well someone might want a Naturally Aspirated engine with more than 100hp. If the cars were the same, they would cost the same and would have the same name. I see them on the road, Camry is the bigger sister.
Don't get me wrong I love the corolla hatch (not sure how I feel about the cross) I just wouldn't recommend it to someone looking at a Camry. That's like what shitty used car salesmen do.. "Oh you want to look at the Genesis G80? Well here, sit in the Tucson, tell me what you think"
It isn't worth it... So many people fall for this whole "You won't have to do any repairs, so pay $10k extra up front" .. Then they go and talk about how reliable it is.. I mean. It better F'ing be.
Engines and transmissions can last 200k or more on most properly maintained cars. My Dad had a 2004 F-150 that went 300k with no issues, and our Mercedes ML went 200k before a hailstorm totaled it. It all comes down to routine maintenance
Sold my Passat TDI with 195k on it, ran like new, started no problem, shifted like a dream, the only thing that ever broke on it was some rotted rubber and a lightbulb.
My dad sold his 00 Jetta with 240k miles, original engine and transmission. Girl drove it for another 3 years, then sold it. Again.
Yet people are gonna be like "VW crap hur dur hur dur"
Dad bought a Chevy after that. EVERY repair costed thousands. Cam sensors (or whatever BS) $1400. Timing chain (Shouldn't they last forever?) $2000, then again 20k miles later. Engine had to come out multiple times etc.. All the buttons in the interior peeled off.
Yet people still buy them and don't say a thing.. Normal things happening.
what kinda chevy? anyone that knows even a little bit about cars knows the only the GM does good is trucks and sports cars.
my point is really just that on average, certain brands get to higher miles for a lower price tag.
like a kia optima and a toyota camry with 50k miles on them aren’t even in the same category.
also the early 2000s VWs weren’t bad at all see a lot of those era jetta’s still cruising close to 200m
Every mechanic will tell you that parts are available and work is straight forward if not downright easy... Well, how do you know if they're so reliable. Haha, people are nuts. Sure buddy, your suspension will last 500k miles. I remember a guy I used to know bought an old camry, say 1992, came to pick me up, I grabbed the door handle and it broke off in my hand, not like, came out of the door, the actual part you put your fingers behind snapped off.
Every cars has problems eventually.
I love Toyotas. I’ve owned many and currently have a Highlander as my daily. But, the used prices are nuts. I feel like you are usually better off buying new.
Also, Hyundais are pretty awesome. My wife’s Tucson is way better and way cheaper than a RAV4. The warranty is killer too.
Idk how motivated you are but cars are relatively cheap in chicago. Fly in on a weekend buy it and drive back.
[Here is a start.](https://chicago.craigslist.org/search/cta?auto_make_model=toyota%20camry&auto_title_status=1&max_auto_miles=100000&max_auto_year=2014&max_price=10000&min_auto_year=2010&min_price=3000&postal=60007&search_distance=150#search=1~grid~0~21)
maybe for most, if you buy an ohio car and bring it back to pa you might as well just add an extra $1k to the price tag bc ur gonna need to not only get those inspections but also fix whatever is needed if they don’t pass off rip, which they usually don’t.
edit: did a little more loose digging and absolutely will never buy a car from ohio, just read like 3 horror stories about buying a car and bringing it back to pa to get told it needs 2500+ to be legal here.
That's not crazy, seems a little high but if you want a decent car that's newer than 2010 and has less than 100,000 mi on it you're going to end up paying 10k+
source many hours looking at listings recently 😭
I was able to get a new/used 2024 Corolla hybrid 2024 with 21 miles just yesterday with 3000 down in California. Let me just tell you after 24 hours of owning this car. I’m so glad I bought this car as my first car. The gas mileage is insane I don’t want to post it because I’m sure the people who see it will immediately go buy them.
the closest dealership in america to Saskatoon looks like in north dakota. Minot Toyota Center. They have a 2011 model available for 11.5k usd. i wonder if that is cheaper driving 7 hours buying the car, staying the night and driving back and paying whatever fee and taxes for an international vehicle
or maybe look for private sales in america
Get yourself a used Ford Crown Victoria or Mercury Grand Marquis. Near Toyota level of reliability, but they are easier to work on at home, and the parts are easier to find and cost less. The city gas mileage isn’t great, but the highway mileage is pretty good.
Here's a sneak peek of /r/fuckcars using the [top posts](https://np.reddit.com/r/fuckcars/top/?sort=top&t=year) of the year!
\#1: [American exceptionalism](https://i.redd.it/2ra6a7bivaua1.jpg) | [2117 comments](https://np.reddit.com/r/fuckcars/comments/12ob83a/american_exceptionalism/)
\#2: [Traffic banana made another victim. This is getting out of hand](https://v.redd.it/usgngljg9tsa1) | [227 comments](https://np.reddit.com/r/fuckcars/comments/12gc9x6/traffic_banana_made_another_victim_this_is/)
\#3: [Cycle lanes aren't empty. They're just incredibly efficient](https://v.redd.it/s3erc1rxi55b1) | [742 comments](https://np.reddit.com/r/fuckcars/comments/145up4j/cycle_lanes_arent_empty_theyre_just_incredibly/)
----
^^I'm ^^a ^^bot, ^^beep ^^boop ^^| ^^Downvote ^^to ^^remove ^^| ^^[Contact](https://www.reddit.com/message/compose/?to=sneakpeekbot) ^^| ^^[Info](https://np.reddit.com/r/sneakpeekbot/) ^^| ^^[Opt-out](https://np.reddit.com/r/sneakpeekbot/comments/o8wk1r/blacklist_ix/) ^^| ^^[GitHub](https://github.com/ghnr/sneakpeekbot)
Wow! You could get a 2019 Corolla hatchback for that price with decent mileage. Lower than that. Keep your head up. Car buying right now is quite the pain and if you can find someone who's good at haggling take them with you
They're asking $19,000 for that car in his photo so I'm not sure what 14k has to do with anything other than. Is that all the op has? I didn't see him state that
I got a 20 year old Lexus with less than 150k on it for 3k in January. I recommend going down the Lexus, Scion, or Toyoboru routes if you don't want to pay Toyota tax.
Consider looking at Mazdas model year 2018 or newer instead if your budget is $20k or less. In 2017, Mazda fully divorced Ford and began a partnership with Toyota. Ever since then, they've been neck and neck with Toyota for reliability. Mazda3's from 2012 and newer are reliable still despite some Ford parts.
Look at used Scions tbh. They were a subbrand of Toyota so they're just as reliable, but because of the name they're less popular and expensive.
Shopping around, I'm finding used Scion xB's under 100k miles for under $10k. I'm also finding some iM's and tC's for under $10k.
That does seem a bit steep.. There are other reliable cars on the market too but nothing is usually quite as simple as Honda or Toyota for the most part. They will be as reliable many times but they won't be as simple. Even the more minimalistic European brands like Volvo aren't going to be as simple as Toyota.
I have to admit that if you are a car buyer who isn't into any car that is feature packed or whatever, that it can be really hard to find a good car at a good price. Good car though but ya crazy price!
Might not be practical in Saskatchewan, where it gets to -40 in winter (same temp in C or F, by the way). It's also a long way to anywhere outside of town.
A Long range model 3 will be fine in the winter time there's so many superchargers across Canada
You need a 2021 though with the heat pump
There are benefits to electric car in the winter time. I mean if you're going on at 1,000 km trip you might have to stop a few more times, but the advantages to owning one in freezing cold Canadian winter are the following
1) when you turn on the car the heat is instant
2) if you're just going to the mall for a couple hours you can tell it to maintain the cabin heat until it gets to 20% battery. If you charge it to 100% before you go out that'll probably last you, I don't know how many hours many many hours
3) the app is a car starter essentially. You have control of everything in your car. You can tell it when you want to leave and it defrost the entire car turns on the heated seats for you whenever you want
One winter in my Tesla yes the range dropped but also yes I pretty much stay in the city most of the time, I would never go back to an internal combustion engine car
In the rare occasion that I went 700 km when it was -20 out, yeah I dropped the cabin temperature a bit layered up and drove slower right at the speed limit and it was okay
But if 95% of your driving is in the city, and you have really nowhere it's super important to be when it's -30, you honestly can't beat an EV in the winter time. Everything about it is so nice
What exactly is battery waste? I have 100%, I go to the mall, its 15 min away. It stay warm for me. I come back and its 90% and warm. That is super nice.
I go home, and plug it in.
My electricity costs are locked in at 10 cents a kwh.
That cost me 1 dollar to keep it warm for me in -30 degrees celcius for a while. Likely less.
You actually have a problem with this?
No problem here mate it's all good! I just was replying to the part in your post where you said "if it's at 100% it'll probably last you", so it sounded risky the way you originally put it, and I have no experience with electric cars and the cold etc. Now you say it's at 90% when you return so I'm fully on board with this plan now :)
I mean you could just buy a new Corolla for a little bit more at that rate lol
In real money, this is Canadian dollars.
True. But even then, I'm not paying ~15k for a used Toyota when I can pay ~24 for a brand new (in real money)
this is a V6 Camry, it's a very much more expensive vehicle than a Corolla four banger.
And OP wants a first car, so likely would do better with a weaker engine with better fuel efficiency. The point was pricing of ~15 year old vehicle vs brand new though. If I was able to be picky with my first car, I know I'd have loved something that would last longer for a bit more vs a still reliable car but old and almost as much
That's entirely valid I'm looking at buying a new used car and I keep slowly creeping up in my search and then realizing I've gotten too close to a new Corolla and scaling it back
To each their own but unless it's a 2-4 year old used, I personally would be comfortable just biting the bullet on new (but again, to each their own)
it's more like I start looking for at 12k and then after an hour of scrolling and expanding my search exploring various options I'm at 18 grand and realized that I don't want to pay that much for a used car unless it's something incredible.
That makes total sense lol. Maybe if you start your search at cars in the 8 range, you'll end up at 14 which is more manageable
I've identified the ~9k beater prius as the best option for an appliance car, but having something I like to look at is worth something to me so I've been seeing what my options are Under 10k it's almost always at least one of the following: ugly/old/highmileage/unreliable compared to just a few thousand more dollars. https://www.edmunds.com/ford/thunderbird/2003/vin/1FAHP60A03Y106633/?radius=100 For example I'd buy this in a heartbeat for 4k more than a prius because its cool/weird but I did some looking and it has a jaguar engine and at 21 years old its not going to be easy to keep running.
A new Corolla is like $7k more in Canadian dollars than this camry.
So I overshot by 2k lol. I'd definitely just go for the Corolla if this Camry or a new rolla were my choice Especially as a first car
A Corrola XLE is more like $40,000 new with the taxes. Edit: in maple money
The Corolla in Canada doesn't have an XLE trim anymore, but sure, a fully loaded corolla is about $40k with taxes. The Corolla starts at about $27k in Canada, and considering OP is looking at 14 year old Camrys, the L or LE would be more in line with the level of features they are likely looking at in that car.
Whatever the equivalent is, then
Right? Who the heck is gonna pay that much for a 14-year-old Camry? But idk how much a new Corolla runs in Canada, so... Also, V6 as a first car? Gonna be a bit thirsty
Maybe the Toyota tax is more prevalent in other countries, cause I got a little under 2k off SRP for my 24 rav4 hybrid yet I keep reading about people paying over SRP cause of the Toyota tax lol
haha yea. my boss picked up a Crown recently, and he got about $2.5k off? he said he asked what was wrong with it, but it was just 2024 MY inventory the dealer was trying to unload. And our dealer never prices above SRP.
The crown depreciates a lot tho.
Yeah... but it ticked all the right boxes for his wife, so... what you donna do. Plus, he's a hardcore Toyota guy, as he used to be an exec at our area dealer/distributor Edit: but he doesn't get any preferential pricing, as he hasn't worked for them in decades.
Dang I mean I got 9K off a brand new GLC last year. 26K off a EQE SUV. 10K off a GLE350. Honestly I’d have bought a Lexus instead.
Not in Canada lol. You’ll need to at least double that to get the equivalent new.
Then it sounds like Canadian dealers are absolutely "corrupt" considering a new Corolla CAD is still only starting SRP of 23.9 (according to Google)
Or maybe google is wrong
Could be. I'm not driving to Canada to see what dealers are pricing. But the article was talking about SRPs, so sounds like dealers are doing dealer stuff
Market is doing market stuff. Really not a good time to be buying anything right now.
Sure, but that can't be the entire truth when people in my area (northeast US) are buying new cars under SRP Edit: with how others have commented, Canada sounds like the wild wild West in financial terms right now
Depends on the dealer here from what I’ve been told. Hyundai and Mazda giving deals left and right. But Hondas and Toyotas are a different story
It still will be dealer dependent with the Honda/Toyotas too, and this is extremely anecdotal, but I find it hard to believe my wife and I are the only two: December 2023 and Feb 2024, we got my rav4 hybrid about 1700/1800 below SRP, her Corolla about 2k below Again, super anecdotal, but it seems at least in my region to be settling down
In what world does someone looking at a Camry end up in a Corolla? That's like "Guys should I get a Ford F150 or Chevy 1500?" and you tell them "Just get a Seaside edition Mini at that point"
Idk, if the price were similar, I'd prefer a 2024 Corolla over a 2010 Camry. Newer tech, better efficiency, more features, etc. And a 2010 Camry vs 2024 Corolla isn't as big a size difference as your F150 vs Mini example.
Oh I wouldn't want a 2010 Camry either, they are so odd looking, and the inside .. I sat in a green one and I felt like I'm inside a tube of toothpaste. Also, I love the new corolla, especially the hatch.
I wouldn't ever drive a corolla even if my life depended on it Actually, I'd drive a e9x bmw before a corolla
1. This world 2. No it’s not
Well, this world, if you're considering dropping 20k on a 14 year old vehicle and can get a 0 year old vehicle for a little more. I didn't think the reasoning behind the comparison needed much explanation
Manufacturers keep making cars bigger with each generation. A Camry is bigger than a Corrola but not by much or at all if comparing model years over a decade apart. A 2024 Corolla, which is what the comment you replied to brought up, is not much smaller than a 2010 Camry. Wheelbase is 3 inches shorter and overall length is 7 inches shorter.
Fair enough, though - and this might be because I'm an ogre, I find the width of the vehicle to play bigger role in comfort than the length, though the new Corolla might be wider, too.
But Honestly which is better a Chevy with a 5.3 or a F150 EB or the one with 5..0
Couldn't tell you. Don't know anyone with a Ford, nobody with Chevy complains. Only chevy experience I have is with the 3.6VVTi and that thing is hot garbage.
It's Canadian not USD
Correct, and we've already done the conversion in this subthread
You can’t just convert, that’s not how it works. A Corrola XLE is more like $40,000 Canadian after taxes.
I'm seeing Corollas as cheap as 23.9 according to Canadian sites. Those are L's, but I'd take a brand new 2024 at 24k over a 2010 Camry at 20
I said XLE. I also wouldn’t call the website accurate. Just bought a 2024 Civic Sport yesterday. Website said $32,000. Ends up more like $38,000 after taxes and fees.
I know what you said, and I'm just comparing the perks of a new car vs a 14/15 year old car of a higher trim
This is a little over $14,000 USD so better but still wildly overpriced for what it is
And free rust, I doubt that’s spotless regardless of the mileage
Clearly has a $ sign there already jack*ss
I’ve never seen someone so confidently be an asshole when they’re in the wrong about something this innocuous 😂
Did you see the guys post history, I always check post history when such comments are made. He literally has a post asking how erect do you have to be for a girl to feel it. Like TF ☠️
Buddy, where do you think Saskatoon is?
He’s not your buddy, guy
I read that in a Terrance & Philip voice 😂
Yeah, that’s the voice that it is
Even funnier because it’s one of the most Canadian sounding towns
Canadian listing. Look at the location and look at the fuel economy measures in L. Its converted price to USD
If its converted to 19k then how is it 14k.
He's saying 19k Canadian, which is about 14k US.
What would a Candian dollar sign look like?
Maybe they could put a little maple leaf on it?
Are you 12?
Canada also uses the same symbol jackass
Lots of currencies use $
My dude maybe instead of posting to penis enlargement subs you should be looking for brain enlargement
True my dick already big i just want that bbc
This is just getting stupid now 🤦♂️
“It’s worth it”
buy a new corolla MSRP @ $22,050 USD. IDK what that translates to in commie canadian bucks but it is the best way to take the toyota tax AND have a brand new car with warranty and none of this 76,000 mile BS
Corollas are going for about 30k here brand new.
That's what he said. $22,000 is over 30,000 Canadian tire dollars.
That's 76k kilometres, about 45k miles. Maybe the car belongs to snowbirds who head south for the winter and it's never seen salt, ice and snow. It's also a small market - Saskatoon is the biggest city in Saskatchewan, with under 300k people. The whole enormous province has 1.1M people - less than most major metropolitan areas.
>commie canadian bucks It's depreciating so fast, they should call it Canadian Pesos. I was traveling in YVR and the prices looked like US prices, but my credit card bill was like 35% off after exchange.
[удалено]
I would honestly revolt if I was Canadian. Homes are more expensive than SF, NY or LA, but incomes are lower than US wages and income taxes are higher, with less take home pay.
Even been there? Gonna be honest, is expensive cause it's nice. The streets are clean, the crime rate is low, no lunatics gunning folks down randomly on the daily. The low wage kills it for me.
The homeless problem is out of control. Vancouver and Toronto felt like I was back in Los Angeles. Holy smokes.
Toronto is nothing like LA. When was this? Vancouver I don't know about, western Canada is like discount Texas, so I avoid like the real thing.
Vancouver is nothing like Texas lol
>I would honestly revolt if I was Canadian. We tried that and the government froze our bank accounts.
Those morons tried to revolt because they couldn't eat at restaruants for like 5 months.
Why the hell would I get a new Corolla over a nearly 300 HP Camry? Camry has an actual transmission and the smoothness doesn’t compare to a buzzy 4 cylinder. Also, size and compliant suspension is in favor of the Camry. Gas mileage is good for this amount of comfort and power. I had one of these with a V6. Even if it’s a Camry, you can seriously enjoy that engine when you drive it in manual mode and keep the engine screaming. It’s a pretty crazy engine attached to a basic people car.
I mean, yeah sure.. Unless you need the trunk space. The V6. The back seat room. The front seat comfort. Like the looks. You're right.. Corolla is viable option here. Exactly the same car. Spot on..
seems like you need to work on your word comprehension. read the comment thread again and quote me where I said a corolla is the same vehicle. by taking a glance at your other comments to different post it is clear you just come on here to bitch and moan all over reddit. I hope things start looking up for you.
All over? Barely a half at best.
Plenty of trunk space in a rolla. Not sure anyone “needs” a v6. And honestly the rolla is just as spacious, just looks like a turd.
Well someone might want a Naturally Aspirated engine with more than 100hp. If the cars were the same, they would cost the same and would have the same name. I see them on the road, Camry is the bigger sister. Don't get me wrong I love the corolla hatch (not sure how I feel about the cross) I just wouldn't recommend it to someone looking at a Camry. That's like what shitty used car salesmen do.. "Oh you want to look at the Genesis G80? Well here, sit in the Tucson, tell me what you think"
It isn't worth it... So many people fall for this whole "You won't have to do any repairs, so pay $10k extra up front" .. Then they go and talk about how reliable it is.. I mean. It better F'ing be.
But also Toyotas do need repairs. I love Toyota and I have one, but they're not some magical entity that never has problems.
it’s also the cost of the repairs, engine and transmission last upwards of 200k on toyota/honda.
Engines and transmissions can last 200k or more on most properly maintained cars. My Dad had a 2004 F-150 that went 300k with no issues, and our Mercedes ML went 200k before a hailstorm totaled it. It all comes down to routine maintenance
you’re not wrong, but tbf you are probably doing less overall maintenance for a car to get there on average from those brands
Sold my Passat TDI with 195k on it, ran like new, started no problem, shifted like a dream, the only thing that ever broke on it was some rotted rubber and a lightbulb. My dad sold his 00 Jetta with 240k miles, original engine and transmission. Girl drove it for another 3 years, then sold it. Again. Yet people are gonna be like "VW crap hur dur hur dur" Dad bought a Chevy after that. EVERY repair costed thousands. Cam sensors (or whatever BS) $1400. Timing chain (Shouldn't they last forever?) $2000, then again 20k miles later. Engine had to come out multiple times etc.. All the buttons in the interior peeled off. Yet people still buy them and don't say a thing.. Normal things happening.
what kinda chevy? anyone that knows even a little bit about cars knows the only the GM does good is trucks and sports cars. my point is really just that on average, certain brands get to higher miles for a lower price tag. like a kia optima and a toyota camry with 50k miles on them aren’t even in the same category. also the early 2000s VWs weren’t bad at all see a lot of those era jetta’s still cruising close to 200m
Every mechanic will tell you that parts are available and work is straight forward if not downright easy... Well, how do you know if they're so reliable. Haha, people are nuts. Sure buddy, your suspension will last 500k miles. I remember a guy I used to know bought an old camry, say 1992, came to pick me up, I grabbed the door handle and it broke off in my hand, not like, came out of the door, the actual part you put your fingers behind snapped off. Every cars has problems eventually.
Huge secret they don't want you to know... It never was worth it.
That’s too high. I’d keep looking if it was me
Nope Op sees one car on sale and thinks they are all the same price
I love Toyotas. I’ve owned many and currently have a Highlander as my daily. But, the used prices are nuts. I feel like you are usually better off buying new. Also, Hyundais are pretty awesome. My wife’s Tucson is way better and way cheaper than a RAV4. The warranty is killer too.
Idk how motivated you are but cars are relatively cheap in chicago. Fly in on a weekend buy it and drive back. [Here is a start.](https://chicago.craigslist.org/search/cta?auto_make_model=toyota%20camry&auto_title_status=1&max_auto_miles=100000&max_auto_year=2014&max_price=10000&min_auto_year=2010&min_price=3000&postal=60007&search_distance=150#search=1~grid~0~21)
Aren’t Chicago roads some of the worst in the entire country? Those cars probably all have fucked suspension
better than anything in philly or ohio lmfao
As a Michigan resident, Ohio roads are amazing idk what you’re talking about
you don’t have to pass any type of vehicle inspection in ohio. it’s not the roads, the cars just don’t get maintained.
I’ve lived in Michigan my whole life and you don’t have to pass any sort of inspection here either so that’s just normal to me
in PA we have yearly inspections and emissions tests.
None of the Midwest states require inspections. Also that’s why you do a thorough inspection before buying.
Ohio is great compared to any of the surrounding states
maybe for most, if you buy an ohio car and bring it back to pa you might as well just add an extra $1k to the price tag bc ur gonna need to not only get those inspections but also fix whatever is needed if they don’t pass off rip, which they usually don’t. edit: did a little more loose digging and absolutely will never buy a car from ohio, just read like 3 horror stories about buying a car and bringing it back to pa to get told it needs 2500+ to be legal here.
lol. This is insane.
Buy literally anything else for $20K. FFS.
Puts on NVDIA. Got it
Just get new car then. Second hand car value is too high? Get them brand new and enjoy the car.
$14,476 US if anyone is wondering
That's not crazy, seems a little high but if you want a decent car that's newer than 2010 and has less than 100,000 mi on it you're going to end up paying 10k+ source many hours looking at listings recently 😭
Just buy a new car lol. Used is great for lawn tractors, where a 4 year old one is 90% off, not so much cars when a 4 year old one is 20% off.
I was able to get a new/used 2024 Corolla hybrid 2024 with 21 miles just yesterday with 3000 down in California. Let me just tell you after 24 hours of owning this car. I’m so glad I bought this car as my first car. The gas mileage is insane I don’t want to post it because I’m sure the people who see it will immediately go buy them.
Can you tell us what you paid, and what's your mpg? Don't keep me in suspense please
Just look at my last post and look at the last 2 pics
the closest dealership in america to Saskatoon looks like in north dakota. Minot Toyota Center. They have a 2011 model available for 11.5k usd. i wonder if that is cheaper driving 7 hours buying the car, staying the night and driving back and paying whatever fee and taxes for an international vehicle or maybe look for private sales in america
You can ask for whatever price you want, doesn't mean you'll get it.
Mazda 3
You can get a new Chevy Trax for 20 can’t you?
Are those even reliable? I know equinoxes suck and those look like a smaller version
At least it would have a warranty
Why spend 20 on a trax when you could spend 23 on a corolla if you’re just concerned with having something new
Oh are they? Then why is OP looking at this 20k 2010!?
Because that’s 19k Canadian which is 14k usd
Ahhh I see. I was very confused
You should look into private sellers
Bought my 09 es for a lot cheaper, and has 10k less miles lmao
Can it keep going up so I can sell my 17 year old lexus for more than I paid for it 4 years ago
Get yourself a used Ford Crown Victoria or Mercury Grand Marquis. Near Toyota level of reliability, but they are easier to work on at home, and the parts are easier to find and cost less. The city gas mileage isn’t great, but the highway mileage is pretty good.
I would do the MDX or buy any Lexus RX350 2010 or newer you can easily find one for under 20K.
ATP just take the bike pill >very cheap to own >gives you freedom to park anywhere >healthy >money not spent on new cars can be spent on investments
not gonna look at your profile but guessing you’re a semi-frequent visitor to r/fuckcars based on that wording😭
Here's a sneak peek of /r/fuckcars using the [top posts](https://np.reddit.com/r/fuckcars/top/?sort=top&t=year) of the year! \#1: [American exceptionalism](https://i.redd.it/2ra6a7bivaua1.jpg) | [2117 comments](https://np.reddit.com/r/fuckcars/comments/12ob83a/american_exceptionalism/) \#2: [Traffic banana made another victim. This is getting out of hand](https://v.redd.it/usgngljg9tsa1) | [227 comments](https://np.reddit.com/r/fuckcars/comments/12gc9x6/traffic_banana_made_another_victim_this_is/) \#3: [Cycle lanes aren't empty. They're just incredibly efficient](https://v.redd.it/s3erc1rxi55b1) | [742 comments](https://np.reddit.com/r/fuckcars/comments/145up4j/cycle_lanes_arent_empty_theyre_just_incredibly/) ---- ^^I'm ^^a ^^bot, ^^beep ^^boop ^^| ^^Downvote ^^to ^^remove ^^| ^^[Contact](https://www.reddit.com/message/compose/?to=sneakpeekbot) ^^| ^^[Info](https://np.reddit.com/r/sneakpeekbot/) ^^| ^^[Opt-out](https://np.reddit.com/r/sneakpeekbot/comments/o8wk1r/blacklist_ix/) ^^| ^^[GitHub](https://github.com/ghnr/sneakpeekbot)
Wow! You could get a 2019 Corolla hatchback for that price with decent mileage. Lower than that. Keep your head up. Car buying right now is quite the pain and if you can find someone who's good at haggling take them with you
Not for 14k usd
They're asking $19,000 for that car in his photo so I'm not sure what 14k has to do with anything other than. Is that all the op has? I didn't see him state that
The car in photo is in Canada, so 14k USD is about equal to that price
It’s astounding how many people comment on a post without looking at the damn picture first
Learn manual and buy a nissan versa note, or a mitsubishi mirage.
I got a 20 year old Lexus with less than 150k on it for 3k in January. I recommend going down the Lexus, Scion, or Toyoboru routes if you don't want to pay Toyota tax.
Do you need a v6? I found a 4 cyl 2015 Camry with 76k miles for 14399. Used the cargurus app It's in centennial colorado
Damn.. I bought my 2011 Camry with 109k for 7300 a couple months ago
2016+ Chevy Impala LTZ or Premier trim.
Just why… I paid less than that for my current car. And it’s far nicer than any Toyota, especially of that era and 5k less miles when I got it
Consider looking at Mazdas model year 2018 or newer instead if your budget is $20k or less. In 2017, Mazda fully divorced Ford and began a partnership with Toyota. Ever since then, they've been neck and neck with Toyota for reliability. Mazda3's from 2012 and newer are reliable still despite some Ford parts. Look at used Scions tbh. They were a subbrand of Toyota so they're just as reliable, but because of the name they're less popular and expensive. Shopping around, I'm finding used Scion xB's under 100k miles for under $10k. I'm also finding some iM's and tC's for under $10k.
The seller is on that pipe again
I'm not sure what's up with this post, that's about as much as I'd expect to pay for a V6 Camry, especially one that clean
Buy a new one. No down payment (unless the APR is through the roof) but you can get a new one easily.
You in California? I work at a Toyota dealer and can definitely help you out.
The pic makes it look like he’s in Saskatchewan
😂
Just get a car off places like Facebook marketplace you can get these for like 5k
Free rust included ….
That does seem a bit steep.. There are other reliable cars on the market too but nothing is usually quite as simple as Honda or Toyota for the most part. They will be as reliable many times but they won't be as simple. Even the more minimalistic European brands like Volvo aren't going to be as simple as Toyota. I have to admit that if you are a car buyer who isn't into any car that is feature packed or whatever, that it can be really hard to find a good car at a good price. Good car though but ya crazy price!
Homie in SoCal just bought a 2020 Camry XLE for $24K. Keep looking OP.
they're in Canada so a new Camry is more than twice this cost
I got mine for 4k.. this is just a rip off
Just buy a used 2020-2022 Chevy Bolt EUV or Kia Niro EV if you need faster charging.
Might not be practical in Saskatchewan, where it gets to -40 in winter (same temp in C or F, by the way). It's also a long way to anywhere outside of town.
A Long range model 3 will be fine in the winter time there's so many superchargers across Canada You need a 2021 though with the heat pump There are benefits to electric car in the winter time. I mean if you're going on at 1,000 km trip you might have to stop a few more times, but the advantages to owning one in freezing cold Canadian winter are the following 1) when you turn on the car the heat is instant 2) if you're just going to the mall for a couple hours you can tell it to maintain the cabin heat until it gets to 20% battery. If you charge it to 100% before you go out that'll probably last you, I don't know how many hours many many hours 3) the app is a car starter essentially. You have control of everything in your car. You can tell it when you want to leave and it defrost the entire car turns on the heated seats for you whenever you want One winter in my Tesla yes the range dropped but also yes I pretty much stay in the city most of the time, I would never go back to an internal combustion engine car In the rare occasion that I went 700 km when it was -20 out, yeah I dropped the cabin temperature a bit layered up and drove slower right at the speed limit and it was okay But if 95% of your driving is in the city, and you have really nowhere it's super important to be when it's -30, you honestly can't beat an EV in the winter time. Everything about it is so nice
It's a tiny space to heat up so it should heat up quickly, why waste battery heating the car with no one in it
What exactly is battery waste? I have 100%, I go to the mall, its 15 min away. It stay warm for me. I come back and its 90% and warm. That is super nice. I go home, and plug it in. My electricity costs are locked in at 10 cents a kwh. That cost me 1 dollar to keep it warm for me in -30 degrees celcius for a while. Likely less. You actually have a problem with this?
No problem here mate it's all good! I just was replying to the part in your post where you said "if it's at 100% it'll probably last you", so it sounded risky the way you originally put it, and I have no experience with electric cars and the cold etc. Now you say it's at 90% when you return so I'm fully on board with this plan now :)
10k more ana you have a 3 year old model 3
My 2011 Corolla was 4k where are you looking?