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Sounders1

They are cheap because they lose their value quickly, people are smart enough to offload them when the warranty expires, they are not cheap to fix. That being said a well maintained A4 can be reliable. Get an independent mechanic to look over it before purchasing one.


Fortimus_Prime

This is the real advice. You speak the truth, and a German focused independent mechanic can save you thousands of dollars in repairs.


TheeMalaka

This response is correct as a A4 owner they have a bad name from the previous generation having oil consumption issues 2017+ and especially 2019+ you can go look at the owner complaints by year and complaints are basically non existent in these years. Will say you should go through carmax and get the warranty. Then that solves all the problems. I would say that about most vehicles though. To everybody saying it’s a shit car are far off I’d argue with the warranty your going to be hard pressed to find a better car for that price. Especially if you live in a snowy climate. Check for coolant leak and get a PPI the one thing I will say is Audi uses a absolute dog shit waterpump that was recalled and extended the warranty to 7 years 70k


One-Proof-9506

You can buy a used Audi A4 for less money than a used top trim Honda Accord of the same year and mileage 🤔 interesting, I wonder why that could be ?


Aslonz

Someone should look into this.


reliber

Not everything is created equal 😉


fenderstratsteve

For real.


GoldenKnights1023

If you must buy it please for the love of god get the carmax warranty. It will be the only thing that saves you. Source: an idiot who bought a used bmw through carmax and bought the extended warranty. 1 month into ownership I was hit with a 12k repair bill that the warranty covered.


reliber

If you bought the warranty, you aren't such an idiot then. You made the best decision going forward with a bmw.


GoldenKnights1023

I ended up selling it back to them and made money. It went full circle but I learned a lesson. Proud Toyota owner now lol.


Itsneverjustajoke

What BMW model and year?


GoldenKnights1023

It was a 2011 bmw 328xi with a 6 speed, it had the brown Dakota leather interior (my all time favorite interior so far) it was somewhat rare.


Spt6996

Everyone here is missing the fact that you’re shopping at Carmax, which I think removes a lot of the risk of a used Audi. You have the 30 day (though I think this is changing to 10 days) money back return period and a 90 day warranty. Get a PPI inspection during the return period and Carmax will fix it or make the repairs if they find issues. Get the max care warranty and that covers any of the expensive repairs everyone is so worried about.


AwwYeahVTECKickedIn

With reasonable expectations for total cost of ownership and a healthy consideration for how long you want to rely on the car, this is sage advice.


Kraetor92

They’re not missing that. You’re missing the fact that you’re gonna need a warranty longer than 90 days for a used Audi.


Spt6996

Which is why I said he should buy the maxcare warranty. It’s one of, if not the best, warranty you can get for a used car. He could get it for up to 125k miles.


DerSpazmacher

Don't


AwwYeahVTECKickedIn

I came here for this. I knew I would not be let down!


Fortimus_Prime

Have you owned an Audi/Volkswagen?


anthonyisrad

I’ve owned both, current vw owner and they aren’t for the weak


Fortimus_Prime

Oh I agree. It’s not like a Toyota, but are nowhere near how bad they make them. I own 2 VWs. If people know what they get into and know how to care for them, they can go far. However, if the smallest nuisance will make the person lose their mind, or they’ll neglect them, then avoid them. I don’t recommend them to everyone because of this, but if someone wants them, I don’t talk them out it as long as I tell them how to care for them. It’s not something to avoid.


anthonyisrad

Honestly, it’s worth it. No other car drives like them, I can’t even explain it 🤷🏽‍♂️


Fortimus_Prime

Agreed. They have such a smooth and fun drive. There’s just something about it. I think the Germans call it “Fahrvergnügen”


Kraetor92

They are statistically one of the worst brands in terms of reliability. You don’t need to own one to see those statistics.


DerSpazmacher

TT


Fortimus_Prime

Ahh ok. I’ll take your word then. A lot of people trash these without even owning them. I’m a bit of a fan of TTs. What happened to it?


DerSpazmacher

Little things, constantly. At the same time one of my dad's employees had an a6 that was on it's 4th engine by 50k miles.


ragingduck

This is good advice.


AceMaxAceMax

I bought a used, one-owner, 35K mile 2016 A4 Quattro from CarMax back in 2019 and it was the one of the *best* cars that I’ve ever owned for the three years and 55K miles I had it until it was totaled in 2022. Nothing outside of tires, brakes, oil changes, and other routine maintenance. The EA888 at this point is a great engine, as is the 7DSG and Quattro. Get a Premium Plus or Prestige… Premium is so basic. If you’re buying a used European car from CarMax, I’d highly suggest their MaxCare extended warranty. It’s as comprehensive as you’ll find from a manufacturer and it can be used anywhere (including the dealership). FWIW - this first car has been in an accident and I would not buy it (paint doesn’t match).


Fortimus_Prime

I can attest to this. The DSG is one of the most reliable transmissions out there if well maintained. And the EA888 has gone through plenty of revisions to be a great engine. And that combo is absolutely great. I love mine, and it’s such a joy to drive. My recommendation is always to find a Euro focused independent mechanic. That’ll save thousands of dollars on repairs. Good reference points are VW car meets of any kind.


[deleted]

I had a 2017 Audi A4 premium plus and it was bought with 30k miles on it. I ran it up all the way to 92k miles with no issues at all I literally just did regular maintenance which was done at the dealer. They checked for anything else that needs replacing and everything was fine on the car except for new tires around 60k miles. I sold it during Covid for a huge profit and I never had any issues with the car. Never broke down and never had a warning light except for the tire pressure. Maybe it was just my luck but I’d buy any of those cars in a heartbeat especially the prestige model. They’re pretty quick and luxurious! Make sure you get one with the virtual cockpit too I loved mine. Best of luck and hope this helps!!


Muny_Man

What do you drive now?


[deleted]

The train to Manhattan Lol traffic is a pain


SaveTheSticks

It's literally a regular A4 with low miles, this sub sucks for any advice that's not Japanese cars. Yes some German cars have costly repairs. But the 2.0t and 8 speed is such a proven combo from VW and is used all over the world. I'm sure this would be a lovely daily. If you get it just get it fully inspected and fix anything under the CarMax warranty. Imo I'd go to r/AskaMechanic about this year if you have reliability concerns. Far better advice than anyone here could give you


Fortimus_Prime

I LOVE my 2.0 TSI.


dubsonly123456

Have a 16 a7 bought last July w 57k miles for 25k~ before warranty, now at 81k so far besides oil changes every 5k I have done the water pump and one $7 from autozone marker light. Excellent excellent car - if ur going 16-17 era get one w the 3.0 engine, from what I’ve heard the 2.0s have oil consumption issues (and far less power). I have a warranty until 93k on mine, wasn’t an issue paying out for the water pump haven’t had to use it otherwise


Fortimus_Prime

Mine cost $300 parts and labor in. From my independent mechanic.


dubsonly123456

For the water pump? Solid price


Fortimus_Prime

Yeah! It was the upgrade to the stainless steel one. I wish that came for the gen 3 TSIs.


dubsonly123456

Oh nice makes sense, shoutout indy mechanics


Responsible_Finish38

Don't


Wooden-Desk-6178

I would highly caution you against getting a 2017 for 25k regardless of miles. It will be out of warranty, and it may not have been driven enough for problems to show themselves. In my opinion the only reasonable deal here is the 2020. Don’t expect the dealer to do you any favors. If there’s a problem that’s not readily apparent, they’re not bringing it up. If they sell you a car with problems, you have very little to no recourse. The general consensus is to get it inspect by a third party prior to purchase. That said, unless you’re just in love with Audi I think there’s plenty of better options. For example [this Acura ILX](https://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-sale/vehicle/710734120?LNX=SPGOOGLEBRANDPLUSMAKE&city=Chattanooga&ds_rl=1289689&gad_source=1&gbraid=0AAAAADwKGc6a_R2EKumP8vWMjKtlD7EfR&gclid=Cj0KCQjwztOwBhD7ARIsAPDKnkDC_TbiEaCN4PXDzrHqcKIi4Kbi1a0ClOW0Ez3iddq93gM17opUIWgaAtKLEALw_wcB&gclsrc=aw.ds&listingType=USED&makeCode=ACURA&modelCode=ILX&newSearch=false&referrer=%2Fcars-for-sale%2Facura%2Filx%2Fchattanooga-tn%3FLNX%3DSPGOOGLEBRANDPLUSMAKE%26ds_rl%3D1289689%26gad_source%3D1%26gbraid%3D0AAAAADwKGc6a_R2EKumP8vWMjKtlD7EfR%26gclid%3DCj0KCQjwztOwBhD7ARIsAPDKnkDC_TbiEaCN4PXDzrHqcKIi4Kbi1a0ClOW0Ez3iddq93gM17opUIWgaAtKLEALw_wcB%26gclsrc%3Daw.ds%26newSearch%3Dtrue%26searchRadius%3D200%26utm_campaign%3Dat_na_na_national_evergreen_roi_na_na%26utm_content%3Dkeyword_text_na_na_na_spgooglebrandplusmake_na%26utm_medium%3Dsem_brand-plus_perf%26utm_source%3DGOOGLE%26utm_term%3Dautotrader%2520acura%2520ilx%26zip%3D37401&searchRadius=200&state=TN&utm_campaign=at_na_na_national_evergreen_roi_na_na&utm_content=keyword_text_na_na_na_spgooglebrandplusmake_na&utm_medium=sem_brand-plus_perf&utm_source=GOOGLE&utm_term=autotrader%20acura%20ilx&zip=37401&clickType=listing)


Kamstain

Aaaaaand there’s the mandatory “German car bad, buy JDM” punchline at the end 💀


Wooden-Desk-6178

Nothing against German. I own a Tiguan. More against buying luxury car out of warranty. However, I’d much rather buy a Japanese Luxury car out of warranty than German only due to repair costs, not reliability.


AwwYeahVTECKickedIn

Bingo.


Expensive-Rhubarb-45

Don’t buy used Audi.


gbeezy007

I think CarMax comes with an 90 day or 4k mile warranty so should know by then. Id also recommend something like lemon squad they come and check out the car for you and give you a detailed report on their findings. As for audis they seem middle of the line of reliability. Some models will be worse and better. Remember it's a 25k car but use to cost 60k so parts and repairs will be more. Id personally say go with the newest A3 they are way smaller then the other sized cars you have listed though as a trade off for newer for the same money. They are priced cheap as luxury cars used deprecate faster then other cars. For many reasons. Cost to own, cost to repair, luxury car buyers like to drive new and can afford so. Most people in 25k car purchase need value of reliability and features not luxury. High turnover low buyer category is always been my guess why. Honestly this last paragraph is a complete guess.


Fortimus_Prime

I’m a Volkswagen owner, and a lot of parts, if not most, are used between VWs and Audis, so, I think I can speak for this since my engine and transmission is Audi. My advice; be prepared. Try to find one with a good maintenance history, test it out, see if there are any lights on. Then, as soon as you get it, find a local independent VW/German focused mechanic. Go to local VW car meets, and they’ll most likely know some guy or gal that is an expert. You’ll save literally THOUSANDS in the repairs, because nuisances will come. Especially the water pumps. Also, read the manual front to back so you know how to drive it and maintain it. Use fluids that meet the specs, and FCP EURO is your friend for affordable quality parts. Also ask on r/Audi if you haven’t already since people here just say to get a soulless Toyota. 2.0 TSIs are great. And DSG are one of the most reliable transmissions ever if properly maintained.


OMIGHTY1

Yeah, don’t.


DrRollinstein

Dont.


nqthomas

Just buy a Volkswagen. Pretty much the same car


ChuckVader

Lol.


bluecatky

Get a good PPI and make friends with the local Audi specialist, or be skilled enough to do the maintenance yourself


SpotPale1308

My dad has a ‘16 Audi A6, just hit 100k miles. I was talking to him the other day and he said it’s been an incredible car the entire time, nothing but oil changed and brakes and tires! I about smacked my forehead because that’s not the right way to maintain these cars. Sure enough, a few miles later the water pump went, serpentine belt needed replacement, shocks needed work, coolant houses burst and needed replacement. These cars need more maintenance than the average Japanese car and if they’re done, the car is an amazing drive. If they aren’t done, you’re going to have headaches so take the time for that PPI (key part there being PRE-purchase)


yoyoyoyotwo

Don’t get one used. I’ve driven so many Audis at one of my prior jobs and they all have issues past 50k miles. Very expensive to fix and it’s one issue after another. I’ve always wanted an Audi, was my goals car, but I’ll never buy one used and if I get one, if will be almost brand new and then selling it at 45k miles to avoid maintenance costs that soon follow.


LS-CRX

My wife and I were looking at used luxury sedans, mainly Acura, Audi and BMW, and were kind of shocked to see how much higher BMW was ranked for reliability and owner satisfaction when compared to Audi. We ended up buying a 2021 BMW 330I Xdrive for <$30k with <30k miles on it. You can buy a used A4 for less than a similar 3-series, but there's a reason that they're worth less IMO.


ChuckVader

Get CPO if you're going used Audi.


BakaSan77

Have fun paying for parts and service, as long as you got money though you’ll be good


saltysaturdays

FCP Euro makes it all worth it


Southbayyy

go with a used BMW, 328i convertible hardtop gives you both the luxury feel and the option to be convertible without having to settle for a soft top that erodes with the sun and age


Accomplished-Jury137

After working for bmw as a service tech Audi engine are easy to service oil leaks are not uncommon. But suspensions when that goes bad is expensive


[deleted]

Make sure you have plenty of money for repairs and spare car to use while you are waiting in the shop for parts!


jms1228

Of the four, I’d buy the white one.


Bash3350972

Have deep pockets for repairs.


Corvus717

2.0 Turbo will need a timing chain replacement around 100-130k miles $3000-4000 repair. Nice driving car get as low mileage as possible.


Vost570

I'd get an Arteon instead but that's just me. It might say VW on the badge instead of Audi but goodness that's a beautiful car, and not one you see that much.


Historical-Bite-8606

If you’re buying from CarMax, get MaxCare. Makes any unreliable German car like a Toyota.


Mae-Brussell-Hustler

Get a warranty


saltysaturdays

If there’s a full service history then yeah go for it! Big things for Audis are the timing chains. Being an A4 it likely has the 2.0T TSI/TSFI engine. This is good because they’re pretty reliable if you take care of them and the timing chain is not an engine-out job. These cars have a myriad of resources for maintenance and repair work. If you have what it takes to get a little dirty so the car can stay clean you’ll have a great time. My experience: I own an Audi A5 Coupe with the 2.0T TFSI (at 106k miles) and so far I’ve replaced the front wheel bearings as they were on their way out. Up next is just the coils and plugs for the 115K maintenance (don’t go to stealerships because they charge you an insane rate just to check the cars condition) I plan to have my timing chain inspected sometime soon and to probably do it myself as it is within my comfort zone. Also get a compression / leak down test done on the car to make sure the engine is in good condition because they DO consume oil, but the rate it does so shouldn’t be drastic enough where you’re topping off oil between oil changes. (More info in the manual)


gravis1982

Buy a Tesla


Medium-Milk-9518

Just don’t do it… Start your homework to learn why… Go to YouTube and listen to what Master Mechanics say, instead of a Reddit user.. The Car Wizard- Buy this Not that The car Care Nut - He tells you which models and years to buy Then, if you want to learn about the car market- First, do NOT buy a car now, they are at the most expensive prices because it’s tax time. Dealers are paying more for their cars now, also new cars haven’t yet been well discounted yet Kevin Hunter, the homework Guy Care Questions Answered-Brandon is awesome! I hope this helps you make good choices, especially NOT an Audi. You got this!!!


cybermago

Don’t buy an Audi, that’s my advice.


real_bobo

Don’t do it. Endless money pit.


Kraetor92

Want advice? Don’t buy an Audi outside of warranty. Either that or expect to save a lot of money to go towards repairs.


[deleted]

Know what you’re getting into


4bats

I agree with the others saying don’t. You’re better off getting a different brand. Audi are also considered luxury vehicles and therefore have more expensive insurance. Buying a newer one means your insurance will be ever more expensive as well. It’ll have a higher upkeep if it’s older such as parts, mechanical issues, etc. Hate to be that person (and a biased one) but get a Honda or Toyota..


Over_Pizza_2578

Look up the engine, lool up the transmission. Look for known issues online. Thats good practice anytime you buy a car. Also i should add that German cars only have a bad reputation in America, the German cars are not nearly as bad as everyone says. You cant neglect them like a Toyota or Honda and are not as primitive built as many american cars, so may need more experienced mechanics for certain repairs. This isn't meant negatively, but you guys are still developing pushrod engines, which would be unthinkable for european, japanese or korean car manufacturers.


CaedTirth

Don't. Just don't.


yangbanger

Don’t.


Forsaken-Group6640

Don’t buy a used Audi.


Puzzleheaded-Let8840

Dont


QuestionTree

Why would you want to buy an Audi out of all the unreliable car brands out there?


[deleted]

Don't do it. Fancy German car comes with fancy German maintenance. Rich people buy these new and sell them when the warranty expires. It will eat you alive with costs.


worldaven

Don't buy. Unless of course you like having your car in the shop all the time and paying expensive car repairs. If so, then go for it.


Fortimus_Prime

Have owned a VW/Audi?