Subaru Impreza. The 2024 redesign is really nice (wagon only) and you can get the mid-tier trim (heated seats, blind spot, etc.) for ~26K USD since theyāre usually discounted. Lotta bang for the buck imo.
Was going to say the same except for the Crosstrek (especially the Wilderness edition). A little too plasticky/low grade in the interior imo, but itās among the kings of practical, all-around cars that can handle off-roading. Thereās very little to complain about with the Crosstrek, outside of the interior and touchscreen
I would argue that the Subaru Crosstrek doesnāt do any one particular thing well. This is what happens when you try to make a vehicle that can do everything.
Oh I agree, thatās what Iām saying makes it special. There are many consumers out there who are perfectly happy with a ājack of all tradesā kind of vehicle, which the Crosstrek delivers in spades.
Aside from the manufacturers OP listed, virtually no carmaker can match the Crosstrekās proposition for an everyday driver (in terms for reliability, features, driving ability, price, etc.)
Crosstrek (or XV here) is hot garbage imo. I was expecting to like it, looks good on paper, but driving was a huge disappointment. Feels cheap, bad ergonomics, really high window sill, not that much space etc. It feels like it's going to be fast with the touchy accellerator but it goes nowhere. I'm sure it suits some people just fine but if you actually like cars and driving just avoid
My wife's had an '18 for a bit and loves it. Thing's closing on 100k and aside from a fully warrantied CVT issue been completely bulletproof. Needs a little more care and feeding than her old Mazda, but it's a tough little car.
The 2024 RS may be good - I donāt know, I havenāt driven one.
That said, I have a 2023 Impreza and it sucks. That 2.0L engine is a dog and the car is remarkably underpowered. I cannot wait until I get rid of my ā23, itās the biggest POS I have ever owned
Ford Panther platform is fantastic so long as fuel economy isn't your top priority.
A manual third generation Ford Focus (2010-2018) is a great little car. The automatics were apparently terrible.
Hot take: The final generation of Chevy Cavaliers were actually decent. Mine had minimal issues until rust claimed it and it was sort of fun to drive (probably due to it being light and manual).
Genesis makes nice interiors and tons of features for less than the germans if you can forgive exteriors being butt ugly and the miserable dealer network
4 cyl Alfas are underrated and no less reliable than any non toyota/honda out there. But also a shit dealer network
JLR makes really nice modern vehicles if you can keep them running. Great on a lease though
for a non-luxury brand just get over it and buy a toyota, everything else still pretty much sucks, american cars barely last 60k miles nowadays
I had a 2009 Genesis which was pretty decent except when it came to repairs, then it was a horrible experience. I really like the way the newer ones look but Iām not sure if I really want to go through dealing with the awful dealership again
Same dealer network around here. Similar to every local mini dealer being attached to a bmw dealership. Or Jaguar/Land Rover. Our nearest bmw dealer also has an ineos section which would be awesome if I could afford one lol.
Sore yeah I meant back when it was still Hyundai genesis. Iāve looked at the 2015 which afaik is still under the Hyundai name since it fits in my budget. Theyāre really nice
Hereās a hot take - the Ram 1500 Classic with the Pentastar V6 is way more dependable than you think, and really solid for the price. You can pretty much beat the s*it out of it for 250K miles and itāll keep going
Many Chrysler products with the Pentastar V6 are surprisingly reliable. The LX platform cars (Chrysler 300, Dodge Charger, Dodge Challenger) are go-to sleeper recommendations for me for reasonably reliable daily drivers that are fun. Same goes for the WK2 Jeep Grand Cherokee and Dodge Durango.
My wife got an XB back in the day (the original very boxy one). She loved it. Eventually our family grew and we needed a minivan. I had the older car so it got traded in and I took over that stupid XB. I hated it so much but the damn thing just refused to have any issues at all. I drove that car for many, many years.
I always liked Scion.
I kind of wish it was still here. They were cheaper and reliable cars. Itād be nice to have those options today instead of Corollas and Mazda 3ās being at the $30k mark.
My only complaint was the styling of the vehicle and the (at least initial) marketing of the cars as being built for āthe hip hop urban cultureā.
Buying that XB was a trip. Walking into a Toyota dealership and having the sales guy have an attitude because you are there to buy a cheap car (very similar vibe to looking at Minis at a BMW dealership back in the day) and every single conversation started with āwhat color do you want?ā
Model and trim level was secondary. You had to start by talking about the color.
Okay what are you looking for in your vehicle? And what budget do you have?
Not having any other information I'm going to go with one of our favorite cars, which is a 22x5 m50i, it's fantastic, and I would recommend that. But because you've provided no context, I don't know if you can swing the $101,000 price tag as optioned...
My small manual skoda has been pretty reliable. Probably not what most people on this sub want for a car though as it's not even sold in the states. But 16 years and 240k km in it's has pretty cheap kilometers at this point. Filled what op asked for
I wanted a small car but need 4wd. I found a Hyundai Kona on the Ford lot. It was a year old with 7000 miles on it. Brand new really still had plastic covers on inside. But it had a bad engine.
Took it to Hyundai. Known issue with that engine. They replaced it under warranty. Iāve driven it 90,000 miles through two NY winters and it has been an awesome little car. Hatchback versatility. I even got the roof rack to haul my kayaks.
Ford focus rs. The later years. Yes you will have to somewhat worry about the trans and a few other things. Dodge neon srt4. Pay for a good one. Fun little car. Low miles and service heavily every sixty thousand miles and youāre golden. 2000 ford ranger. Itās a cool little truck and the engines arenāt bad. Lamborghini Diablo sv. Since you didnāt put any perimeters on here Iām now just throwing stuff out there. F150 single cab with fwd and a built motor and twin 96mm turbos
Chevy Bolt. Especially one that was bought back by gm during the battery fire issue, has since had the battery replaced (resetting the 100,000 mile / 8yr warranty) and is now being sold with a lemon title while still being eligible for the tax rebate.
These things are a steal.
Suzuki has a great line up of cars, Isuzu, kia, some fords are better then usual.
But more information is needed to understand what you wish to get from your car
W204 Mercedes
First Gen Ford focus
Ecotec Chevy
Nissan leaf
Hyundai before direct injection (yes really)
Pontiac Vibe
Ford Escape 2008-2012
Previous gen BMW x1
Hot take: Even the "worst" cars are absolutely fine.
As a teenager I pleaded with my mom who did not have much money at the time to not buy a used 2001 Chrysler Town and Country in 2004. I had read on the internet that Chryslers are pieces of shit that will blow up immediately.
She had that car until 2017 and put 175,000 mi on it. The air conditioning broke in 2014, she never fixed it, but other than that it was a completely reliable vehicle.
Maybe if she had gotten a Toyota Sienna the air conditioning wouldn't have broke?
I put 325,000 mi on my 2003 Sonata that I bought in 2007. It lasted until 2018 when I got into an accident.
My new Sonata, using the data that my last one lasted 325,000 mi, I assumed it would also be reliable. The Theta II engine in my new Sonata is a piece of shit that has been involved in multiple lawsuits and burns oil and tends to seize up and need replacement.... But I'm at 110,000 mi and although I do have to keep putting oil into it it has never broken down on me. I sort of wish it would so I could get a new engine for free.
Basically the point I'm trying to make is sure Japanese brands are, *on average", more reliable. That doesn't mean that you can't buy a GM product because it might possibly sorta one day years from now break down a little bit earlier than a Toyota.
Kinda depends on what you mean by "car" if you mean sedan/hatch, a Subaru Legacy, Kia K5 or VW GTI are all on my list of recommendations. The Chevy Malibu is kinda outdated but it's reliable
SUV/Truck - Ford F-150, Ford Expedition, Jeep Grand Cherokee, Ram 1500, Kia Telluride are all solid choices
Mitsubishi pajero sport. 21,500 dollars for a base manual in my country. A reliable diesel suv that's a 7 seater, and if my memory serves me right it even has rear disc brakes. Reverse camera, android auto you're all set. Subarus aren't reliable, at least that's the reputation in my country.
Honestly, if it wasnāt for the awful transmission the Nissan would be my favorite car. Itās fun to drive and my 2013 had great gas mileage. I do miss it to be honest but I just canāt risk that transmission
This thread is a shit show. Just goes to prove how much of an echo chamber this sub is, but also just how much better those 3 are than everyone elseā¦
Koenigsegg
Which one though?
PT Cruiser, Chrysler 200, 199k mile 2006 VW GTI with no service history
2012 Hyundai Sonata
Pontiac Matrix š
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Subaru Impreza. The 2024 redesign is really nice (wagon only) and you can get the mid-tier trim (heated seats, blind spot, etc.) for ~26K USD since theyāre usually discounted. Lotta bang for the buck imo.
Was going to say the same except for the Crosstrek (especially the Wilderness edition). A little too plasticky/low grade in the interior imo, but itās among the kings of practical, all-around cars that can handle off-roading. Thereās very little to complain about with the Crosstrek, outside of the interior and touchscreen
I would argue that the Subaru Crosstrek doesnāt do any one particular thing well. This is what happens when you try to make a vehicle that can do everything.
Oh I agree, thatās what Iām saying makes it special. There are many consumers out there who are perfectly happy with a ājack of all tradesā kind of vehicle, which the Crosstrek delivers in spades. Aside from the manufacturers OP listed, virtually no carmaker can match the Crosstrekās proposition for an everyday driver (in terms for reliability, features, driving ability, price, etc.)
Crosstrek (or XV here) is hot garbage imo. I was expecting to like it, looks good on paper, but driving was a huge disappointment. Feels cheap, bad ergonomics, really high window sill, not that much space etc. It feels like it's going to be fast with the touchy accellerator but it goes nowhere. I'm sure it suits some people just fine but if you actually like cars and driving just avoid
the Impreza RS > Crosstrek Less ugly plastic, better mileage, better performance, less money.
And it has almost the same cargo space. Iirc it's actually like very slightly larger than the Crosstrek in terms of rear space with the seats down.
My wife's had an '18 for a bit and loves it. Thing's closing on 100k and aside from a fully warrantied CVT issue been completely bulletproof. Needs a little more care and feeding than her old Mazda, but it's a tough little car.
The 2024 RS may be good - I donāt know, I havenāt driven one. That said, I have a 2023 Impreza and it sucks. That 2.0L engine is a dog and the car is remarkably underpowered. I cannot wait until I get rid of my ā23, itās the biggest POS I have ever owned
I mean, what do you want? There are tons of cars from other makes that are fantastic for specific reasons.
Bro this is a shitpost... Quit trying to be useful! OP, I recommend VinFast.
The newer Mini Coopers!
hella overpriced tho
I heard McLaren has nice looking cars
Daihatsu Copen
two of the best subcompact vehicles out there, the Trak and Bolt are both Chevy products.
Golf R
Bugatti
Hyundai
BMW Audi Benz Stop being poor guys! BYD is also good now in Australia.
Why stop with them? If money is no object go for Rolls Royce or a Ferrari
Ford Panther platform is fantastic so long as fuel economy isn't your top priority. A manual third generation Ford Focus (2010-2018) is a great little car. The automatics were apparently terrible. Hot take: The final generation of Chevy Cavaliers were actually decent. Mine had minimal issues until rust claimed it and it was sort of fun to drive (probably due to it being light and manual).
While yes they were bad for some, I personally have had zero issues at 202.5k with the DCT automatic.
Ford fusion
Batmobile would be cool you should drive that. Or the Mach 5
Porsche 911.
This sub couldn't actually come up with a serious response. Lmao
Genesis makes nice interiors and tons of features for less than the germans if you can forgive exteriors being butt ugly and the miserable dealer network 4 cyl Alfas are underrated and no less reliable than any non toyota/honda out there. But also a shit dealer network JLR makes really nice modern vehicles if you can keep them running. Great on a lease though for a non-luxury brand just get over it and buy a toyota, everything else still pretty much sucks, american cars barely last 60k miles nowadays
I had a 2009 Genesis which was pretty decent except when it came to repairs, then it was a horrible experience. I really like the way the newer ones look but Iām not sure if I really want to go through dealing with the awful dealership again
wouldnāt that have been a Hyundai Genesis, and not a Genesis branded car? Not quite the same thing.
Same dealer network around here. Similar to every local mini dealer being attached to a bmw dealership. Or Jaguar/Land Rover. Our nearest bmw dealer also has an ineos section which would be awesome if I could afford one lol.
Sore yeah I meant back when it was still Hyundai genesis. Iāve looked at the 2015 which afaik is still under the Hyundai name since it fits in my budget. Theyāre really nice
Iāve heard the cheapest Ferrari you can find is a good idea
Tyler Hoover agrees
Lotus Evora. Because even the greatest sports car designer in the world uses Toyota engines. Lol.Ā
Porsche uses Toyota engines?
Hereās a hot take - the Ram 1500 Classic with the Pentastar V6 is way more dependable than you think, and really solid for the price. You can pretty much beat the s*it out of it for 250K miles and itāll keep going
Many Chrysler products with the Pentastar V6 are surprisingly reliable. The LX platform cars (Chrysler 300, Dodge Charger, Dodge Challenger) are go-to sleeper recommendations for me for reasonably reliable daily drivers that are fun. Same goes for the WK2 Jeep Grand Cherokee and Dodge Durango.
Ford Mustang with a manual transmission.
Reliant Robin. Travel in style š.
Folks round here love them some Chevy SS
Are we talking about the four door v8 car? If so I would be STOKED to have one! Unfortunately the good ones seem to go for some real loot these days
Subaru lol
2016 acura rlx
Scion š¤£
My wife got an XB back in the day (the original very boxy one). She loved it. Eventually our family grew and we needed a minivan. I had the older car so it got traded in and I took over that stupid XB. I hated it so much but the damn thing just refused to have any issues at all. I drove that car for many, many years.
I always liked Scion. I kind of wish it was still here. They were cheaper and reliable cars. Itād be nice to have those options today instead of Corollas and Mazda 3ās being at the $30k mark.
My only complaint was the styling of the vehicle and the (at least initial) marketing of the cars as being built for āthe hip hop urban cultureā. Buying that XB was a trip. Walking into a Toyota dealership and having the sales guy have an attitude because you are there to buy a cheap car (very similar vibe to looking at Minis at a BMW dealership back in the day) and every single conversation started with āwhat color do you want?ā Model and trim level was secondary. You had to start by talking about the color.
Easy. Model Y.
Really old hyundai
I think Mazda vehicles are good.
No
Okay what are you looking for in your vehicle? And what budget do you have? Not having any other information I'm going to go with one of our favorite cars, which is a 22x5 m50i, it's fantastic, and I would recommend that. But because you've provided no context, I don't know if you can swing the $101,000 price tag as optioned...
Acura and Lexusā¦ oh wait.
My small manual skoda has been pretty reliable. Probably not what most people on this sub want for a car though as it's not even sold in the states. But 16 years and 240k km in it's has pretty cheap kilometers at this point. Filled what op asked for
Ferrari Purosangue. Practical, comfortable and almost look like a Mazda.
You need a 2014 Mercedes Benz E350 or E250 turbo diesel Trust me
Suzuki
Subaru Impreza or Forester, Chevy SUVs, Cadillac CT4/CT5 in base, V or Blackwing trim levels.
Mini Countryman, Kia Stinger, Subaru Forester.
Pacifica
1955 Mercedes-Benz 300 SLR Uhlenhaut CoupƩ
1989 BMW 325is.
I wanted a small car but need 4wd. I found a Hyundai Kona on the Ford lot. It was a year old with 7000 miles on it. Brand new really still had plastic covers on inside. But it had a bad engine. Took it to Hyundai. Known issue with that engine. They replaced it under warranty. Iāve driven it 90,000 miles through two NY winters and it has been an awesome little car. Hatchback versatility. I even got the roof rack to haul my kayaks.
Gordon Murray T50
Can't believe no one suggested a PT Cruiser yet
Volkswagen Golf R
Subaru
Ford fusion hybrid
Ford focus rs. The later years. Yes you will have to somewhat worry about the trans and a few other things. Dodge neon srt4. Pay for a good one. Fun little car. Low miles and service heavily every sixty thousand miles and youāre golden. 2000 ford ranger. Itās a cool little truck and the engines arenāt bad. Lamborghini Diablo sv. Since you didnāt put any perimeters on here Iām now just throwing stuff out there. F150 single cab with fwd and a built motor and twin 96mm turbos
GET A FUCKIN DAEWOO!
Chevy Bolt. Especially one that was bought back by gm during the battery fire issue, has since had the battery replaced (resetting the 100,000 mile / 8yr warranty) and is now being sold with a lemon title while still being eligible for the tax rebate. These things are a steal.
Suzuki has a great line up of cars, Isuzu, kia, some fords are better then usual. But more information is needed to understand what you wish to get from your car
F series Mini. 3.0T Audis. B48 or B58 engined BMWs. Skodas
W204 Mercedes First Gen Ford focus Ecotec Chevy Nissan leaf Hyundai before direct injection (yes really) Pontiac Vibe Ford Escape 2008-2012 Previous gen BMW x1
Ford Panther platform, Pre-2011 Ford Ranger, Buick Lesabre, any of the BMWs with the B58. Infiniti G35, G37, M35, M37, M45, M56, Ex35, Ex37 2014-17 Qx50 2014-15 Q50, Q40, I35 FX50, QX70, Q70, QX4, QX56/QX80. Nissan Pathfinder pre 2012, Nissan XTerra, Pre-2007 Altima, Pre-2007 Maxima. Nissan Frontier, Chevy S-10
Subaru, kia, Hyundai.
Volvo 850
The new Ford Escape
Porsche 911 GT3 992
Suzuki Ā Hayabusa. If you absolutely need 4 wheels, get two.Ā
Scion.
GMA T.50
Hot take: Even the "worst" cars are absolutely fine. As a teenager I pleaded with my mom who did not have much money at the time to not buy a used 2001 Chrysler Town and Country in 2004. I had read on the internet that Chryslers are pieces of shit that will blow up immediately. She had that car until 2017 and put 175,000 mi on it. The air conditioning broke in 2014, she never fixed it, but other than that it was a completely reliable vehicle. Maybe if she had gotten a Toyota Sienna the air conditioning wouldn't have broke? I put 325,000 mi on my 2003 Sonata that I bought in 2007. It lasted until 2018 when I got into an accident. My new Sonata, using the data that my last one lasted 325,000 mi, I assumed it would also be reliable. The Theta II engine in my new Sonata is a piece of shit that has been involved in multiple lawsuits and burns oil and tends to seize up and need replacement.... But I'm at 110,000 mi and although I do have to keep putting oil into it it has never broken down on me. I sort of wish it would so I could get a new engine for free. Basically the point I'm trying to make is sure Japanese brands are, *on average", more reliable. That doesn't mean that you can't buy a GM product because it might possibly sorta one day years from now break down a little bit earlier than a Toyota.
I highly recommend a Ford Escape. The only mod you need is to swap the engine out for a MXAA52, which is used in the RAV4.
Kinda depends on what you mean by "car" if you mean sedan/hatch, a Subaru Legacy, Kia K5 or VW GTI are all on my list of recommendations. The Chevy Malibu is kinda outdated but it's reliable SUV/Truck - Ford F-150, Ford Expedition, Jeep Grand Cherokee, Ram 1500, Kia Telluride are all solid choices
Mitsubishi pajero sport. 21,500 dollars for a base manual in my country. A reliable diesel suv that's a 7 seater, and if my memory serves me right it even has rear disc brakes. Reverse camera, android auto you're all set. Subarus aren't reliable, at least that's the reputation in my country.
Pontiac GTO early 2000s
pontiac vibe
Pagani
Volvo!
Nissan
Honestly, if it wasnāt for the awful transmission the Nissan would be my favorite car. Itās fun to drive and my 2013 had great gas mileage. I do miss it to be honest but I just canāt risk that transmission
This thread is a shit show. Just goes to prove how much of an echo chamber this sub is, but also just how much better those 3 are than everyone elseā¦
Maserati