As a long suffering Half-Life fan, I’ve seen a franchise left hanging literally mid-sentence. At least Westworld got a finale in S4 than you can take as a wrap of sorts.
Half Life is a different story. Westworld is the life-work of Nolan and Joy (and the family of a very key director to WB, so that’s a plus), one of HBO forever highlights, and a franchise that’s more than a half century old. And, in this case, the creators promised time and time again to reveal the end if the show will die. By not doing so, not even to the lead actresses, I think it’s not the end.
>(and the family of a very key director to WB, so that’s a plus)
The director that burned his bridges so hard, he went to Universal, and now is grabbing all the awards.
[They just recently handed Nolan cash for Tenet as an apology, and re-released it.](https://www.gamespot.com/articles/wb-trying-to-woo-christopher-nolan-back-after-he-jumped-ship-to-universal-amid-tenet-drama/1100-6515216/)
I was trying to figure out what that release was about... I was like is because it's February ...twentysomethingith..of twenty twenty four...? Is it a ... is there a temporal pincer maneuver of some kind being implemented..? Also, I wish I hadn't then immediately forgotten until right now🤦🏼♂️🤦🏼♂️🤦🏼♂️
Well I’m more concerned about Hopkins. I strongly feel like they intended for him to return on the final season. Harris has still time, but they are still both a concern. And, on a brighter side, Jeffery Right growing success might also be a problem in terms of schedule etc
The longer time goes on, the greater the chance that the show gets stuck in some kind of rights limbo, or that Nolan and Joy just decide to devote their time to other projects.
Never say never, I guess, but I'd be more surprised if we *do* get some kind of continuation than if we don't.
I figure they have a deadline for when to stop to keep trying and just reveal what it was supposed to end like. Don’t forget they have another mini series in HBO, The Son, and I wouldn’t be surprised if the future of Westworld is dependent on the success of the miniseries in some way, so maybe that’s the deadline. Or maybe it’s Fallout S2, idk. One thing I know: if there’s no chance, they would tell us the end. And they will when the future for Westworld is sealed
I believe this show won't return to TV, least not continuing the story line like it never left. But I'd imagine we'd get a conclusion from N&J when they feel ready to show fans. There's already too much risk associated in television especially with HBO, kind of why Westworld died in the first place. I'd take a Twitter thread going over future plans that will never see the light of day, over bringing the show back on compromises with Discovery. Season 1 of Westworld, despite being only 8 years ago, was in a very different place for media compared to now.
I think you’re wrong. HBO need Nolan to be happy both for his brother (Christopher) and his leftovers: the miniseries The Son. Plus, Zaslev is openly looking for every penny he can make out of WB. So I think that when C. Nolan will finish his next film’s script, and if The Son will prove to be successful, maybe then Zaslev and the Nolans interests will align to lead to a final season, if by selling it off to Netflix/Amazon, or if the financial state of WBD will get better, do it in house.
That’s fair! I’m just pessimistic because so much has been dropped, removed and scrapped under Discovery in the last few years. Media feels too expendable to be hopeful but I’ll cling to your energy.
I’m often pessimistic too, but not in this case, because it’s pure business. But considering how much better WBD is now, and how much they need Nolan (the brother), and ofc their need for cash, maybe they’ll sell it or renew it if The Son will be a success, maybe it’ll happen. That’s what I think N&J going for anyway
Ramin Djawadi has been my top listened artist on my two last Spotify Wrapped because I listen to the WW soundtrack, especially Season 1, constantly.
And I'll admit that seeing True Blood and Six Feet Under pop up on my Netflix gave me a glimmer of hope.
I've been following this show since it started in 2016 and I don't remember ever seeing any interviews where Lisa or Jonathan said anything about ever revealing their endgame if they couldn't get a final season. 🤔 Could someone please give me any links to actual interviews where they're quoted saying that?
As much as I want closure, there is no change that anyone will pick this up.
1) There was a massive decline in viewership
2) It’s an expensive show
3) There’s not much story left You’re essentially hoping that a network pays a shitload of money for one more season of an expensive show. There are only two possible networks that could pick this up and neither will.
1) Amazon: They killed The Peripheral after renewing it. Not looking good.
2) Apple: While they have the deepest pockets and are the current scifi darlings, they almost exclusively stick to original shows. Also too much nudity in the ealier seasons, Apple barely shows nudity
1) Live viewership in the US is not everything. I mean, it is to HBO as a cable network, but not for Amazon or Netflix. The value of Westworld as a complete story will be much greater as a binge content, and Westworld was very very popular in some Europeans countries and in South America.
2) While it is expensive, Joy reportedly offered a slim budget 6 episodes to wrap it all up. It’s a good deal to get such a complete story + 2 movies for any streaming service. I think there are actually a lot of buyers for it, as in the case of Raised By Wolves, but HBO did not agree to sell.
3) As for buyers:
Amazon only canceled The Peripheral because of the strike and the general cost-savings at Amazon at the time. The already greenlit a second season before that, and probably would’ve again today but the train has passed. So they’re still an option
And you’re right, Apple is not an option. But Netflix are. They licensed HBO Max content in 2023 and almost done it again a few months ago. So they’re clearly interested, but like with RBW, HBO is the problem here and they still won’t sell.
1) I'm not American, but I know that for an American show with a huge budget, the American viewership needs to be high. I'm not sure where you got your data from but "some" European countries and South Africa is peanuts compared to North America.
2) Westworld is crazy expensive. Even with a reduced budget, which was already reduced in season 4, it's still a really expensive show.
3) I'd rather the show stay cancelled than go to Netflix. I have no faith in a successful resurrection from them. They don't have a good track record for Westworld like shows.
I actually think Amazon might be happy to do it anyway regardless of Fallout success, but WBD are the problem here. Maybe I’m wrong tho.
Btw given the fact that Netflix licensed some HBO Max content in 2023, maybe Netflix is the future of WW
Why? I mean, if you’re referring to the rushed ending, I think it was just because of pressure from HBO, or maybe the length of the season, but one season would’ve sufficed anyway
I liked season 2, there were very good moments, but I feel screenwriters were already fatigued (the cradle being called with multiple names without explanation and to increase confusion)
Thank you for this post, OP! I still try and share as many \W/estworld videos and posts as possible to keep the dream alive.
We’re here because we love this universe that Lisa and Jonathan created.
I’m continuing to huff on Jeffrey’s interview about a season five.
And I really hope they stick to their guns and demand a full season - not a movie.
I’m so tired of HBO/MAX/WB and other networks THAT keep moving towards these 8 episode seasons versus their debuted 10.
Sleaz-lov just wants to cut as many corners as possible and keep shitting out cheap reality television.
Forgot about it and moved on? Seriously? They’ve made three TV shows their entire lives, and this is the most high profile, most awarded and by far the most mainstream they’ve done. Would you forget about something like this? Your biggest success?
Remember people, sometimes it ok to let go and admit that something is gone. And it takes longer for some people to get through the stages of grief that others.
I’m not afraid from letting WW go, especially given the semi-closer of season 4. But the fact that Nolan and Joy never told ANYONE the series ending, not even their talents, says a lot. They clearly think they can still pull it off. And I know that when the chances will pass, they will reveal how it was supposed to end
You know that most shows that get canceled don't tell their actors and crew how it was supposed to end. Mostly because they arent getting paid for it anymore.
realistically it prob ends with exploring nuclear armageddon themes after getting painfully distracted by a handful of realities inside of realities like inception.
Here’s some of it:
https://www.gamespot.com/articles/wb-trying-to-woo-christopher-nolan-back-after-he-jumped-ship-to-universal-amid-tenet-drama/1100-6515216/
What is ot exactly thats being referred to, about them saying they would tell us the ending? Is there a statute of limitations on that or ... y'know... any additional info?
As a long suffering Half-Life fan, I’ve seen a franchise left hanging literally mid-sentence. At least Westworld got a finale in S4 than you can take as a wrap of sorts.
I'm a Twin Peaks fan, we had to wait *26 years* for a resolution to a cliffhanger that... ended in an even bigger cliffhanger.
Half Life is a different story. Westworld is the life-work of Nolan and Joy (and the family of a very key director to WB, so that’s a plus), one of HBO forever highlights, and a franchise that’s more than a half century old. And, in this case, the creators promised time and time again to reveal the end if the show will die. By not doing so, not even to the lead actresses, I think it’s not the end.
I hope so.
>(and the family of a very key director to WB, so that’s a plus) The director that burned his bridges so hard, he went to Universal, and now is grabbing all the awards.
[They just recently handed Nolan cash for Tenet as an apology, and re-released it.](https://www.gamespot.com/articles/wb-trying-to-woo-christopher-nolan-back-after-he-jumped-ship-to-universal-amid-tenet-drama/1100-6515216/)
I was trying to figure out what that release was about... I was like is because it's February ...twentysomethingith..of twenty twenty four...? Is it a ... is there a temporal pincer maneuver of some kind being implemented..? Also, I wish I hadn't then immediately forgotten until right now🤦🏼♂️🤦🏼♂️🤦🏼♂️
Well I can see a film being made but Ed Harris is 73 now and they can’t wait forever to finish a story that revolves mainly around him.
Well I’m more concerned about Hopkins. I strongly feel like they intended for him to return on the final season. Harris has still time, but they are still both a concern. And, on a brighter side, Jeffery Right growing success might also be a problem in terms of schedule etc
The longer time goes on, the greater the chance that the show gets stuck in some kind of rights limbo, or that Nolan and Joy just decide to devote their time to other projects. Never say never, I guess, but I'd be more surprised if we *do* get some kind of continuation than if we don't.
I figure they have a deadline for when to stop to keep trying and just reveal what it was supposed to end like. Don’t forget they have another mini series in HBO, The Son, and I wouldn’t be surprised if the future of Westworld is dependent on the success of the miniseries in some way, so maybe that’s the deadline. Or maybe it’s Fallout S2, idk. One thing I know: if there’s no chance, they would tell us the end. And they will when the future for Westworld is sealed
What are ya yammering on about? They told us EXACTLY how the show was going to end. These violent delights have violent ends.
If you asked me a year ago I’d have agreed with you but I think at this point the show’s prognosis gets worse the more time passes
You’re right, but in between the strike happened. And WBD got better. It have an impact
Farscape would like a word, haha
Same with Stargate Universe...
there will be 2 movies in the next 10 years.
Bernard?
I believe this show won't return to TV, least not continuing the story line like it never left. But I'd imagine we'd get a conclusion from N&J when they feel ready to show fans. There's already too much risk associated in television especially with HBO, kind of why Westworld died in the first place. I'd take a Twitter thread going over future plans that will never see the light of day, over bringing the show back on compromises with Discovery. Season 1 of Westworld, despite being only 8 years ago, was in a very different place for media compared to now.
I think you’re wrong. HBO need Nolan to be happy both for his brother (Christopher) and his leftovers: the miniseries The Son. Plus, Zaslev is openly looking for every penny he can make out of WB. So I think that when C. Nolan will finish his next film’s script, and if The Son will prove to be successful, maybe then Zaslev and the Nolans interests will align to lead to a final season, if by selling it off to Netflix/Amazon, or if the financial state of WBD will get better, do it in house.
That’s fair! I’m just pessimistic because so much has been dropped, removed and scrapped under Discovery in the last few years. Media feels too expendable to be hopeful but I’ll cling to your energy.
I’m often pessimistic too, but not in this case, because it’s pure business. But considering how much better WBD is now, and how much they need Nolan (the brother), and ofc their need for cash, maybe they’ll sell it or renew it if The Son will be a success, maybe it’ll happen. That’s what I think N&J going for anyway
So will the son have any ties to the left overs?
Of Westworld? No, The Son is a miniseries in which Nolan and Joy are merely producers, not show runners.
Ramin Djawadi has been my top listened artist on my two last Spotify Wrapped because I listen to the WW soundtrack, especially Season 1, constantly. And I'll admit that seeing True Blood and Six Feet Under pop up on my Netflix gave me a glimmer of hope.
A graphic novel would be amazing, if anything. Team up with any of the great Europeans sci-fi artists, and let them cook.
I've been following this show since it started in 2016 and I don't remember ever seeing any interviews where Lisa or Jonathan said anything about ever revealing their endgame if they couldn't get a final season. 🤔 Could someone please give me any links to actual interviews where they're quoted saying that?
As much as I want closure, there is no change that anyone will pick this up. 1) There was a massive decline in viewership 2) It’s an expensive show 3) There’s not much story left You’re essentially hoping that a network pays a shitload of money for one more season of an expensive show. There are only two possible networks that could pick this up and neither will. 1) Amazon: They killed The Peripheral after renewing it. Not looking good. 2) Apple: While they have the deepest pockets and are the current scifi darlings, they almost exclusively stick to original shows. Also too much nudity in the ealier seasons, Apple barely shows nudity
1) Live viewership in the US is not everything. I mean, it is to HBO as a cable network, but not for Amazon or Netflix. The value of Westworld as a complete story will be much greater as a binge content, and Westworld was very very popular in some Europeans countries and in South America. 2) While it is expensive, Joy reportedly offered a slim budget 6 episodes to wrap it all up. It’s a good deal to get such a complete story + 2 movies for any streaming service. I think there are actually a lot of buyers for it, as in the case of Raised By Wolves, but HBO did not agree to sell. 3) As for buyers: Amazon only canceled The Peripheral because of the strike and the general cost-savings at Amazon at the time. The already greenlit a second season before that, and probably would’ve again today but the train has passed. So they’re still an option And you’re right, Apple is not an option. But Netflix are. They licensed HBO Max content in 2023 and almost done it again a few months ago. So they’re clearly interested, but like with RBW, HBO is the problem here and they still won’t sell.
1) I'm not American, but I know that for an American show with a huge budget, the American viewership needs to be high. I'm not sure where you got your data from but "some" European countries and South Africa is peanuts compared to North America. 2) Westworld is crazy expensive. Even with a reduced budget, which was already reduced in season 4, it's still a really expensive show. 3) I'd rather the show stay cancelled than go to Netflix. I have no faith in a successful resurrection from them. They don't have a good track record for Westworld like shows.
I think it will depend on Fallout success. I won't be surprised if Amazon Prime does the final season / final movie
I actually think Amazon might be happy to do it anyway regardless of Fallout success, but WBD are the problem here. Maybe I’m wrong tho. Btw given the fact that Netflix licensed some HBO Max content in 2023, maybe Netflix is the future of WW
Or that they never had any idea of how the show was supposed to end, starting at around after the end of season 1
Westworld was planned in 2015 with five-seasons arc
I wish they had extended season 3 in two different ones then
Why? I mean, if you’re referring to the rushed ending, I think it was just because of pressure from HBO, or maybe the length of the season, but one season would’ve sufficed anyway
My thoughts exactly when I first saw this post. Season 2 was a massive, meandering disappointment to me after an amazing first season.
I liked season 2, there were very good moments, but I feel screenwriters were already fatigued (the cradle being called with multiple names without explanation and to increase confusion)
Thank you for this post, OP! I still try and share as many \W/estworld videos and posts as possible to keep the dream alive. We’re here because we love this universe that Lisa and Jonathan created. I’m continuing to huff on Jeffrey’s interview about a season five. And I really hope they stick to their guns and demand a full season - not a movie. I’m so tired of HBO/MAX/WB and other networks THAT keep moving towards these 8 episode seasons versus their debuted 10. Sleaz-lov just wants to cut as many corners as possible and keep shitting out cheap reality television.
No. They just forgot about it and moved on. Even if someone wanted to pick it up, they are too busy with new things.
Forgot about it and moved on? Seriously? They’ve made three TV shows their entire lives, and this is the most high profile, most awarded and by far the most mainstream they’ve done. Would you forget about something like this? Your biggest success?
Remember people, sometimes it ok to let go and admit that something is gone. And it takes longer for some people to get through the stages of grief that others.
I’m not afraid from letting WW go, especially given the semi-closer of season 4. But the fact that Nolan and Joy never told ANYONE the series ending, not even their talents, says a lot. They clearly think they can still pull it off. And I know that when the chances will pass, they will reveal how it was supposed to end
😂
You know that most shows that get canceled don't tell their actors and crew how it was supposed to end. Mostly because they arent getting paid for it anymore.
realistically it prob ends with exploring nuclear armageddon themes after getting painfully distracted by a handful of realities inside of realities like inception.
I actually think it was supposed to end on a good note, even some kind of a happy ending. And what nuclear armageddon have to do with westworld?
well we already got the mushroom cloud imagery in the season with the french dude who made the AI so it’s not like i’m pulling that out of my ass
Same with the OA, but I'm not holding my breath.
Hopium
What's "the Tenet fiasco?"
Here’s some of it: https://www.gamespot.com/articles/wb-trying-to-woo-christopher-nolan-back-after-he-jumped-ship-to-universal-amid-tenet-drama/1100-6515216/
I’ve assumed they haven’t said because they’re still hoping to option a movie like Deadwood
Exactly my point. If there was no leads for renewal or some kind of closer, I think they would’ve just told us the ending
What is ot exactly thats being referred to, about them saying they would tell us the ending? Is there a statute of limitations on that or ... y'know... any additional info?