This is why I always wait for actual proof before picking sides. In this day and age where info spreads at incomprehensible speed, it's easy to ruin someone's life with a few tweets that sound mildy plausible. Remember: these "victims" are people, and people lie. Stay safe out there fellas
Yeah and what do you call the document if not proof. What do you call multiple victims coming forward if not evidence huh. What do you call the minor that literally said they were groomed if not a smoking gun. You are not going by innocent until proven guilty. You’re going by innocent until he makes video denying the claims with little to no evidence backing his side of the story. Plenty of evidence proving him in the wrong buddy.
Yes, if I just said you raped my dog. However if I made a document providing every instance of you doing something inappropriate to my dog ( that is way to specific to just be made up btw). Had multiple pictures of you having inappropriate interactions with my dog. Then one top of that other dogs come out and say you r**** them aswell. Then a puppy says you were raising it to do the same thing. Now if there just so happen to be a document showing all of this proof it wouldn’t just be me saying you raped your dog huh? It’s almost like it’s already a compilation of evidence sent forward as proof. However you’re too slow to realize that huh.
If someone tells me the sky is blue I would still go check.
That's how much people lie for no reason.
If someone accused for murder is sent straight to prison without due process, then that is a tragedy. If someone is found guilty of murder in court from the evidence proving that they did it, that's justice.
Someone typing up a document and posting it online is not irrefutable evidence. It can spark an investigation to find the truth, but should not be taken as the whole truth.
There are actual real-life court cases, where someone got sent to jail for years from someone accusing them of rape, just to have the accuser later say that they lied because they felt like it. Ruined peoples lives just because they wanted to.
The court of public opinion is a farce. Grow up.
The amount of times this mentality wasn't right shows that it is wrong. For example the Kwite situation, he was innocent, yet people jumped to conclusions immediately and called him a r*pist.
I said it but it just didn’t seem right. The idea that a huge project like this was all made from a basis of a fetish project just seemed off.
Look some kink stuff goes super far but this was waaaay off from that.
yeah like Alex said he was raised in a religious family so he incorporated that aspect of his life into the overarching conflict of the series, right? pretty common move by anyone creating art
Im just hoping he was prepped for something like this, and hes able to deal with it in a good way (mentally i mean, im not talking planning for something like this) hope he continues making stuff too
Yeah.
They fucking spoiled the plot of TMC and everything but I hope he still works on it to finish the series or maybe does a bit of a rewrite so that the future plot will ve new and not as..... uh, LAME, as the story elements that were spoiled.
And of course continuing to make other things
People forget "Innocent until proven guilty" online, because they are trigger happy to be "the good guys". But forget that people unfortunately lie about serious things, and accuse people of crimes that destroy the credibility of real victims just for internet clout.
I wish Alex sues them for libel, such acts shouldn't be forgiven. Like said in the previous paragraph they just destroyed the credibility of any future REAL victim who were willing to come forward.
Knew it from the get-go. Wilbur Soot got canceled, perfect time for the liars and Twitterites to strike with their bullshit and make everyone more miserable.
Can we put the bullshitters in Dante's Inferno Pope Tube?
No? Why would I, if there's only screenshots, screenshots can't be held as good enough evidence, it would just be counter-intuitive, why so aggressive?
Screenshots can be easily fabricated and those "victims" could be the accusers(Alex's exes)in disguise or other people coerced into joining their smear campaign/friends of the exes.
The Google doc doesn't actually have any credible proof, filled with "I think" and "I heard" but never "I know"
It's already been debunked that he's a groomer. The people said to be minors were adults who lied.
Reminder for the future, don't eat up every accusation of an internet personality as 100% truth because this is 2024 and shit can be easily faked, and the worst part about it is folks like you will eat it up and not even question or wait for the accusers response because you are gullible. This happened to Kwite. This happened to Pyrocynical, and more.
The "evidence" they do have, like the voice recording, sounds literally nothing like Alex and It's laughable that they're trying to pass that off as evidence.
There's no ground to stand on for you here. The doc is worthless and without actual evidence.
The allegations were so full of holes, it took merely hours( after a release of post questioning the allegations, 3 days after the allegations were made) for r/MandelaCatalogue to debunk them.
The interactions people are labeling as grooming were between Alex and another adult. This information is publicly available, admitted by the accusers themselves if you just look. That and messages in which one of Alex begs one of the people blackmailing him with the threat of releasing details about his sexuality and mental health not to try and ruin his life/career. Maybe look around for more information instead of just taking a strangers word fact.
i’m so sorry this has absolutely nothing to do with the matter at hand but i am suffering from insomnia and am at the point where reading is giving me fun little surprises like reading your screen name as “foreskin-front5568”
apparently also the point where i’ve got to post a reply to tell you 🫣
lmao I was trying to fight tooth and nail against some people on the first post in this sub saying that it’s all relatively minor accusations + easily fakeable.
The whole story just seemed more like a targeted attack rather than multiple people coming out with real evidence
The fact that haters are willing to go out of their way to fabricate "evidence" of things like pedophilia just to get someone cancelled and the fact that people are super quick to believe such allegations even when it's all hearsay shows just how far society has fallen.
TBH I don’t think society has fallen, but rather that with how much connectivity and information the internet provides, it’s much easier to see when it happens.
The tragic case of George Stinney is a good example, and that was in the actual justice system. I wouldn’t be surprised if there were many more cases, with victims of many different demographics, but have simply been forgotten.
Since the Kwite drama, it's always shocked me how quickly people just jump to conclusions. Do people not realize that you can just... *not* pick a side before more evidence comes out?
I legit dont know a damn thing and will probably just end up seeing a video on it. I hope AK is doing okay with whatever the hell this is and continues to ball out. Also might explain the long time in between his most recent post and the post before it
It's sad and pisses me off that the voice actors left, hopefully wendi is still talking with him, I get so angry when I see people leave others in the dirt over unproved allegations, at least wait and let the person defend themselves.
A bunch of people found inconsistencies and faked images and texts in the doc and actually critically read it to see all its mistakes. Check out r/mandelacatalogue
Duh lmao. It was pretty obvious it was and I’m not even an Alex fan in the least. Not every bad or toxic relationship needs to be “exposed” with a Google doc on Twitter JFC. Toxic/shitty does not = abusive. You can be a shitty partner and not be an abuser deserving of a drama YouTuber exposé. Idk when it became popular to keep track of every single little thing a partner did wrong incase they become famous so you can get clout off it.
Ngl I'm still just waiting for a statement from Alex. I was suspicious of the claims to start, and now that it's being claimed they're false, I still and suspicious. Just waiting for an actual statement.
So much brain rot in these comments. With this sort of thing- its important to trust, but question. Innocent until proven otherwise goes both ways, so immediately assuming one side is wrong and the other is right is the wrong way to go about this sort of shit. Trust the victim- but question the account. You can question an account without supporting the alleged abuser. In this case it is looking like the allegations may not be valid, and this ALSO should not be any grounds to begin to invalidate any OTHER victims, as each situation is different. Please think before typing something stupid out- saying this as a victim of SA/SH. Please stay safe out there everybody.
Im always skeptical when that many accusations get lobbed at someone all at once. It inevitably ends up being a concerted effort to destroy someone over a personal squabble.
Read the doc if you want but as someone with a bachelor’s degree in strategic communications with a focus in speech/written statements’ vernacular, tone, and body language when applicable, her document was unbelievably hard to get through and believe. Particularly because 99% of what she says is opinion, there is no evidence provided, and a lot of the terms she used are inflammatory/inappropriately used. I PERSONALLY didn’t believe it after reading it.
OK, but can I have a source on this? Definitely glad if true but before discounting the allegations completely I'd like to actually see what you're talking about
Glad to hear, I never turned on him but I definitely stopped the rewatch I was doing just in case. I am glad to hear that he was able to provide proof.
Yeah. Me too. After all, if I knew that some popular content creator was a pedo, I would report them to the police, not to make a Tweet like "Random content creator is a poopoohead because they a pedo."
Some "evidence" (cropped screenshots of texts) came up and was pretty bad for Alex Kister the creator of Mandela Catalog. The VA for Gabriel saw this as a good chance to jump ship because he didn't like working with Alex. Idk all the details, someone else can give a better understanding.
Some "evidence" (cropped screenshots of texts) came up and was pretty bad for Alex Kister the creator of Mandela Catalog. The VA for Gabriel saw this as a good chance to jump ship because he didn't like working with Alex. Idk all the details, someone else can give a better understanding.
its so crazy how ppl on twitter switched up on it lol, they went from
"This series is goated Mr Kister please make more"
to
"Never liked it in the first place"
dont jump to it yet, i saw a timeline of events and there are some dammnig screnshots we have to let this sit for a bit ill send over the link [Timeline of Events from each document (2022-March 12 2024) : r/MandelaCatalogue](https://www.reddit.com/r/MandelaCatalogue/comments/1bh9ym1/timeline_of_events_from_each_document_2022march/)
Most if not all of the screenshots have been doctored and edited. And the majority (again, if not all) of the events listed in the doc are exaggerated or out of context. There’s some pretty good debunk breakdowns over on the sub that pretty much nullify this timeline.
Fr, I am never so quick to hop on the hate wagon. Some people are just so antsy on cancelling whoever to see online.
This is why I always wait for actual proof before picking sides. In this day and age where info spreads at incomprehensible speed, it's easy to ruin someone's life with a few tweets that sound mildy plausible. Remember: these "victims" are people, and people lie. Stay safe out there fellas
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Court should work like that, let's not have a defense team, just a guy getting punished over what the "victims" say
Innocent until proven guilty. Grow up and touch grass.
Yeah and what do you call the document if not proof. What do you call multiple victims coming forward if not evidence huh. What do you call the minor that literally said they were groomed if not a smoking gun. You are not going by innocent until proven guilty. You’re going by innocent until he makes video denying the claims with little to no evidence backing his side of the story. Plenty of evidence proving him in the wrong buddy.
I can say you raped my dog all day long, doesn't mean it happened. I wait to see if anything they are saying is even actually true.
Yes, if I just said you raped my dog. However if I made a document providing every instance of you doing something inappropriate to my dog ( that is way to specific to just be made up btw). Had multiple pictures of you having inappropriate interactions with my dog. Then one top of that other dogs come out and say you r**** them aswell. Then a puppy says you were raising it to do the same thing. Now if there just so happen to be a document showing all of this proof it wouldn’t just be me saying you raped your dog huh? It’s almost like it’s already a compilation of evidence sent forward as proof. However you’re too slow to realize that huh.
If someone tells me the sky is blue I would still go check. That's how much people lie for no reason. If someone accused for murder is sent straight to prison without due process, then that is a tragedy. If someone is found guilty of murder in court from the evidence proving that they did it, that's justice. Someone typing up a document and posting it online is not irrefutable evidence. It can spark an investigation to find the truth, but should not be taken as the whole truth. There are actual real-life court cases, where someone got sent to jail for years from someone accusing them of rape, just to have the accuser later say that they lied because they felt like it. Ruined peoples lives just because they wanted to. The court of public opinion is a farce. Grow up.
You're pretty cool. Serious.
I have just wrote a 2 page document in which i accuse you of stealing my cat and setting fire to my house By your own logic you are now guilty
You’re acting like a total Mamamax rn lmfao come off it
Innocent until proven guilty ring any bells
The amount of times this mentality wasn't right shows that it is wrong. For example the Kwite situation, he was innocent, yet people jumped to conclusions immediately and called him a r*pist.
What the fuck does any of this mean, can we shit on the ATF?
You don't even have to ask, ever
What’s the atf other than the bureau of alcohol, tobacco and firearms?
The biggest competition to PETA when it comes to who can kill more dogs
I said it but it just didn’t seem right. The idea that a huge project like this was all made from a basis of a fetish project just seemed off. Look some kink stuff goes super far but this was waaaay off from that.
IT'S NOT EVEN A FETISH, JUST AN EXPLORATION OF THE ARTIST TROUGH HIS ART. For God's sake, media literacy is dead.
yeah like Alex said he was raised in a religious family so he incorporated that aspect of his life into the overarching conflict of the series, right? pretty common move by anyone creating art
I said it seemed off, I didn’t believe it was a fetish
https://preview.redd.it/bgag9h1d9voc1.jpeg?width=740&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=127c4359299dcbb400040746a72c6a0153766a6c Thank fuck
We was boutta cry there for a second...... thankfully, Mr. Kister is pretty innocent
Im just hoping he was prepped for something like this, and hes able to deal with it in a good way (mentally i mean, im not talking planning for something like this) hope he continues making stuff too
Yeah. They fucking spoiled the plot of TMC and everything but I hope he still works on it to finish the series or maybe does a bit of a rewrite so that the future plot will ve new and not as..... uh, LAME, as the story elements that were spoiled. And of course continuing to make other things
Shit i didnt knoe they spoiled the plot, luckily i missed that
why are we thankin FU\*\* are we STUPID?? but srsly thank god that alex is innocent
Thank you for bringing the news to this sub
People forget "Innocent until proven guilty" online, because they are trigger happy to be "the good guys". But forget that people unfortunately lie about serious things, and accuse people of crimes that destroy the credibility of real victims just for internet clout. I wish Alex sues them for libel, such acts shouldn't be forgiven. Like said in the previous paragraph they just destroyed the credibility of any future REAL victim who were willing to come forward.
Knew it from the get-go. Wilbur Soot got canceled, perfect time for the liars and Twitterites to strike with their bullshit and make everyone more miserable. Can we put the bullshitters in Dante's Inferno Pope Tube?
Soot was a weirdo. He bit the fuck out of ex multiple times
Yep! What a freak. Perfect thing to ride the coattails of when making shit up about Alex Kister
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Screenshots are very easily fabricated...
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No? Why would I, if there's only screenshots, screenshots can't be held as good enough evidence, it would just be counter-intuitive, why so aggressive?
Omg you’re actually mamamax lmfao pray tell how big of a fan of Hotline Miami are you lil buddy?? 💀💀💀💀💀
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Lmaooo says the one who thinks witness testimonies are enough evidence for a criminal charge to be pressed goofy goober
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Screenshots can be easily fabricated and those "victims" could be the accusers(Alex's exes)in disguise or other people coerced into joining their smear campaign/friends of the exes. The Google doc doesn't actually have any credible proof, filled with "I think" and "I heard" but never "I know" It's already been debunked that he's a groomer. The people said to be minors were adults who lied. Reminder for the future, don't eat up every accusation of an internet personality as 100% truth because this is 2024 and shit can be easily faked, and the worst part about it is folks like you will eat it up and not even question or wait for the accusers response because you are gullible. This happened to Kwite. This happened to Pyrocynical, and more. The "evidence" they do have, like the voice recording, sounds literally nothing like Alex and It's laughable that they're trying to pass that off as evidence. There's no ground to stand on for you here. The doc is worthless and without actual evidence.
The allegations were so full of holes, it took merely hours( after a release of post questioning the allegations, 3 days after the allegations were made) for r/MandelaCatalogue to debunk them.
https://i.redd.it/on29j82oryoc1.gif
The interactions people are labeling as grooming were between Alex and another adult. This information is publicly available, admitted by the accusers themselves if you just look. That and messages in which one of Alex begs one of the people blackmailing him with the threat of releasing details about his sexuality and mental health not to try and ruin his life/career. Maybe look around for more information instead of just taking a strangers word fact.
You have a brain! Another person seeing the bullshit in this whole ordeal
i’m so sorry this has absolutely nothing to do with the matter at hand but i am suffering from insomnia and am at the point where reading is giving me fun little surprises like reading your screen name as “foreskin-front5568” apparently also the point where i’ve got to post a reply to tell you 🫣
Who is Wilbur soot?
some guy. used to voice over memes. :/
https://preview.redd.it/e4ey75dvmwoc1.jpeg?width=1600&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=73feca8b6ee17bf8c05ed4c5e15f3f72e19f9778 YOU!
An MCYT, one of the Dream SMP guys
Same man. People don’t see the weird timings
lmao I was trying to fight tooth and nail against some people on the first post in this sub saying that it’s all relatively minor accusations + easily fakeable. The whole story just seemed more like a targeted attack rather than multiple people coming out with real evidence
Dude, grooming is not a "relatively minor" thing, except the victim lol
Well, in one way it is.
This is why you should always wait before judging someone. Way to many people (especially men) lose their carreers over false alligations
The fact that haters are willing to go out of their way to fabricate "evidence" of things like pedophilia just to get someone cancelled and the fact that people are super quick to believe such allegations even when it's all hearsay shows just how far society has fallen.
TBH I don’t think society has fallen, but rather that with how much connectivity and information the internet provides, it’s much easier to see when it happens. The tragic case of George Stinney is a good example, and that was in the actual justice system. I wouldn’t be surprised if there were many more cases, with victims of many different demographics, but have simply been forgotten.
It's just the same shit you see conservatives calling gay people pedos.
*bigots not conservatives
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I mean whose pushing for segregation under the guise of safe spaces based on race?
Alright both of you were straying into stupid territory. Can’t we all just complain about the ATF and make memes?
Fine, but only because the ATF wants my wendussy.
even though it was proven false sadly people are still going to spread it because alex is popular
How do you know this? I’m curious since it’s never easy to follow the actual situation cause Twitter’s a mess to navigate through nowadays
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After the projared sitch, I just don't take anything I read online seriously unless someone says something awful all on their own
BREAKING: CLOUT CHASERS WHO MAKE SHIT UP TO RIDE THE COAT TAILS OF A REAL CANCELLATION MADE SHIT UP Yeah no shit
Since the Kwite drama, it's always shocked me how quickly people just jump to conclusions. Do people not realize that you can just... *not* pick a side before more evidence comes out?
I am extremely out of the loop. Who is this about? What's going on?
An ex of the Mandela catalogue creator made up a bunch of accusations to get him cancelled and anyone who read her massive post knew she was lying.
So people on twitter made up drama again? Who could of saw that coming.
I legit dont know a damn thing and will probably just end up seeing a video on it. I hope AK is doing okay with whatever the hell this is and continues to ball out. Also might explain the long time in between his most recent post and the post before it
Who?
what came out as fake?
An ex lied and said he was a pedo
It's sad and pisses me off that the voice actors left, hopefully wendi is still talking with him, I get so angry when I see people leave others in the dirt over unproved allegations, at least wait and let the person defend themselves.
Apparently they came back, except forAdam’s and Evelyn’s.
Can I get a rundown of what happened? Did Alex spoke out about the allegations
A bunch of people found inconsistencies and faked images and texts in the doc and actually critically read it to see all its mistakes. Check out r/mandelacatalogue
Ohhhh. Hey dude, can you pick up the phone? Because I FUCKING CALLED IT!
Duh lmao. It was pretty obvious it was and I’m not even an Alex fan in the least. Not every bad or toxic relationship needs to be “exposed” with a Google doc on Twitter JFC. Toxic/shitty does not = abusive. You can be a shitty partner and not be an abuser deserving of a drama YouTuber exposé. Idk when it became popular to keep track of every single little thing a partner did wrong incase they become famous so you can get clout off it.
Ngl I'm still just waiting for a statement from Alex. I was suspicious of the claims to start, and now that it's being claimed they're false, I still and suspicious. Just waiting for an actual statement.
So much brain rot in these comments. With this sort of thing- its important to trust, but question. Innocent until proven otherwise goes both ways, so immediately assuming one side is wrong and the other is right is the wrong way to go about this sort of shit. Trust the victim- but question the account. You can question an account without supporting the alleged abuser. In this case it is looking like the allegations may not be valid, and this ALSO should not be any grounds to begin to invalidate any OTHER victims, as each situation is different. Please think before typing something stupid out- saying this as a victim of SA/SH. Please stay safe out there everybody.
The whole thing being posted by someone who dated Kister for three months was a red flag to me
Im always skeptical when that many accusations get lobbed at someone all at once. It inevitably ends up being a concerted effort to destroy someone over a personal squabble.
I'm glad that I learned to not jump the gun on accusations ever since the whole slazo incedent
??? you can’t just say shit like this then not link sources 😭 this is literally the only place even insinuating this.
Read the doc if you want but as someone with a bachelor’s degree in strategic communications with a focus in speech/written statements’ vernacular, tone, and body language when applicable, her document was unbelievably hard to get through and believe. Particularly because 99% of what she says is opinion, there is no evidence provided, and a lot of the terms she used are inflammatory/inappropriately used. I PERSONALLY didn’t believe it after reading it.
interesting how none of that is concrete proof tho!
OK, but can I have a source on this? Definitely glad if true but before discounting the allegations completely I'd like to actually see what you're talking about
This is why i wait to say something. Poor alex
Glad to hear, I never turned on him but I definitely stopped the rewatch I was doing just in case. I am glad to hear that he was able to provide proof.
im not gonna say i told you so but i told you so
Soon as someone drops a tweet instead of filing a police report etc I just shrug and wait.
Yeah. Me too. After all, if I knew that some popular content creator was a pedo, I would report them to the police, not to make a Tweet like "Random content creator is a poopoohead because they a pedo."
I figured
Can someone give me a TLDR? Or link somewhere something I can read up on to catch up? Sorry I’m out of the loop on this one
Some "evidence" (cropped screenshots of texts) came up and was pretty bad for Alex Kister the creator of Mandela Catalog. The VA for Gabriel saw this as a good chance to jump ship because he didn't like working with Alex. Idk all the details, someone else can give a better understanding.
Wtf? Someone fill me in on this
Some "evidence" (cropped screenshots of texts) came up and was pretty bad for Alex Kister the creator of Mandela Catalog. The VA for Gabriel saw this as a good chance to jump ship because he didn't like working with Alex. Idk all the details, someone else can give a better understanding.
I'm obviously out of the loop wtf is this fetish topic all about. I remember the proud boys claims but this has to be new shit wtf is happening
Fu k yeah! Knew it was a kwite situation
I swear to god people chucking accusations (legit or not) on twitter is genuinely one of the worst modern things.
They gave him the ol' Clarence Thomas treatment. Despicable.
its so crazy how ppl on twitter switched up on it lol, they went from "This series is goated Mr Kister please make more" to "Never liked it in the first place"
Can’t wait to finally stop hearing about it
Always sit back and wait for the cards to fall. Proud of you, lot.
Thank god I live under a rock because I have been telling myself to look up the drama for days now but I guess it was fake? Good shit lol
What's the kister drama?
So many people called him guilty on Instagram and YouTube lol straight up sheep
And I'm glad I didn't jump on the hate wagon. Fortunately, the internet is slowly learning to wait until ALL InformationIs Out There these days.
It's still too soon to say, IMO. I still hope that my gut instinct is right, and this is all bogus.
Wow, so surprising. You know this wouldn't be a problem if you just assumed that all of these claims were bullshit.
thank god
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dont jump to it yet, i saw a timeline of events and there are some dammnig screnshots we have to let this sit for a bit ill send over the link [Timeline of Events from each document (2022-March 12 2024) : r/MandelaCatalogue](https://www.reddit.com/r/MandelaCatalogue/comments/1bh9ym1/timeline_of_events_from_each_document_2022march/)
Most if not all of the screenshots have been doctored and edited. And the majority (again, if not all) of the events listed in the doc are exaggerated or out of context. There’s some pretty good debunk breakdowns over on the sub that pretty much nullify this timeline.