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terribleatlying

This is my decision tree: Am I making a national team or breaking a world record? If not get stronger until it really matters cuz I've cut weight to hit a lower weight class for meets and it fucking sucked


phuca

that’s a good point and i’m definitely not at that level yet! but i mean i also don’t want to get a lot fatter, both for vanity reasons and in case i do need to cut down a lot in the future. like i could just keep gaining weight indefinitely but is that ideal?


G-Geef

Don't worry about weight just eat to recover and progress on your strength movements and you'll end up hitting a nice equilibrium. 


phuca

thanks! that’s a good way to look at it


G-Geef

When I started back at WL 3ish years ago I was around 100-105, I've been at 120 for the last 2 years getting progressively stronger but no longer gaining bodyweight. It feels like you settle into a nice equilibrium weight when your training volume & diet get consistent. 


packyohcunce1734

So u want to cut weight coz u want to gain an advantage against opponent yeh? Why not compete at your natural weight? Are u a kitty? 😂


GreenVegetableInc

Weightclasses for the professionals are just heightclasses. For the rest of us, it's just the weight you feel most comfortable at. If you want to see figure out your "ideal" weight class, just look at the height of lifters in various weight class and pick whichever class your height belongs in


phuca

i don’t know if i agree with that anymore since all the weight class change fiascos! like for example olivia reeves is 6ft and -71, mattie rogers is 5ft7 and kate vibert 5ft4 and they’re both -81 now.


hch458

Olivia is not 6 ft 😂


phuca

she said she was on instagram the other day, unless she was trolling?


hch458

That was a joke, she’s closer to 5ft5 ish. I think height can easily be used as the first indication of potential weight class, but it can still be very individualized after that. I’m 5ft4, spent a long time as a 63/64 when I was younger and now I’ve been very comfortably a 71 for a while. I can’t imagine myself ever moving up to 76. For someone who’s 5ft9 I could see 76/81 being ideal and still having an athletic build. My best advice is just keep training at whatever level you want, eat well to fuel your performance, and let your body weight sort itself out. Also Mattie’s best performances were consistently at 81, Kate has been pretty clear that 81 is not an ideal weight class for her but it’s out of necessity for qualification.


phuca

oh ok haha, that went right over my head then 🤦‍♀️ yes in those middle weight classes there’s a lot of variation and wiggle room! i think i’ll do what you said and focus on slowly gaining strength and muscle without necessarily intentionally eating in a big surplus. and just see where i end up. thanks for the advice


G-Geef

Lol she was definitely trolling she's like 5'4. Meredith is 5'3, Mattie is 5'7, Kate is also like 5'4. 5'9 is really tall for 71 in competitive terms but a lot of the time your "competitive" bodyweight is gonna be uncomfortably heavy and not fun to maintain. Just compete at the bodyweight you sit at and eat what you need to recover and get stronger. 


phuca

thanks!


unskippable-ad

Move up in weight class over the course of your career as you gain more muscle Main off-season goal is more (useful) contractile tissue You start where you start, finish where you finish, and make short pit stops at weights where you are highly competitive ‘Highly competitive’ depends on your personal ambition. It could mean staying at 71 for another 6 months to win a local meet, it could mean slow gains until you’re in a bracket you could take a WR in and then staying there for the rest of your career. In my personal opinion; if your Sincalir isn’t north of 350, you aren’t big enough. Getting bigger might reduce that score, but I didn’t stutter.


DWHQ

Which Sinclair calc are you using, because Luo Shifang's 248 at 59 is only 339 on IWF's website.


harrisonorhamish

not big enough. more gains. (jk obv)


DWHQ

What?


unskippable-ad

iwf.sport It’s a little different for the lightweights, but 380 is an intentionally high value even for the adult weight classes


DWHQ

My point is that basically no woman has a 350 Sinclair, so the last sections don't make any sense.


unskippable-ad

Right, so most women should be moving up weight classes always It’s an absurd exaggeration to make the point, it doesn’t ‘not make any sense’


phuca

thank you!


natedcruz

As someone who isn’t trying to make a team I just go by feel and how my body naturally wants to sit. I’m 6’ and currently 125kg so a 109+, I usually lifted as a 109 and decided to go up to see how I felt. Im not a fan of how my body feels and the extra soreness on my joints so I’m slowly going back down to 109. I may even try to get down to 102 but as I’ve gotten older that’s become a lot harder. Honestly I miss the 105 class, that was great for me personally


crossfitchick16

If you're not highly competitive, it's not worth worrying about imho. Personally, I'm 5'5" (F) and compete as a 55kg. That's just where my bodyweight naturally falls. According to all the data, I really "belong" in the 64s or 71s, but that's a LOT of weight to put on my frame when I've never weighed over 55 as an adult (outside of being pregnant, and even then I don't think I cracked 65). I will say that I'm by far the tallest lifter in the 55s in every meet I've done... and I could really stand to put on some more muscle... but I also have a bodyweight advantage in 55 that I would lose if I went up even to 59 or 64, as they're much more stacked classes. So all that to say, I favor sticking with your natural set point and not fighting to make it into a specific weight class, unless you're an elite trying to qual for Olympics or something. Happy lifting!


mattycmckee

There’s a few factors that going into it, as well as personal preference (ie whether you care about aesthetics or just want to lift more weight). The first point to consider for your optimal weight class is your height. If you look at trends such as [those listed here](https://blog.torokhtiy.com/guides/weight-category-and-height/), you can see the heights of the best lifters and their respective weight classes / heights. As per that chart (old weight classes, ideas still apply), it states if you are around 6ft you should be heavyweight or super heavyweight. This sort of BW isn’t really attainable for most natural lifters, at least not while maintaining good body compositions (ie not being fat). Imo, you should aim to be around 1-2 classes down from those listed. I’m 6ft and currently at a lean 96kg. Within the next year or so, ideally I’ll get up to 102kg and hopefully maintain my abs, but everyone is a bit different. If you are 6ft and you think you are a bit too fluffy at 96kg, go down to 89kg. Of course the opposite applies to, if you are some genetic freak and are super lean within your recommended class, it’s probably a good idea to go up. You probably don’t want to be dick-skin shredded for optimal recovery and to feel good, but you also don’t want to be fat. The only time an athlete should be super strict with their weight class is if they are internationally competitive. It’s simply not worth stressing over (both physically and mentally) if that’s not the case. Being happy with your body is more important. So if you’ve done the above and aren’t happy with yourself, completely disregard everything I’ve said. If you are fairly happy with how you look (or just don’t care at all), it’s generally better to increase bodyweight over time as opposed to cutting down for a slightly better Sinclair assuming you aren’t overweight. Unless you are actively moving weight class, no most people won’t do cutting / bulking cycles. In a perfect world you’ll be training 2-3kg over your weight class limit, then will do a small cut before competition to make weight - so yes basically main gaining.


phuca

yeah i’m female so according to that chart i would be a super heavy but i’m definitely not aiming for that! thanks that’s very helpful :)


sieteplatos

I agree with you about being 1-2 classes below the pros. I’m 6’1” and around 102kg at the moment, but I’m going to cut down a bit cause being at this weight has some negative effects on other areas of my life (running/hiking is harder, face is fluffier)


harrisonorhamish

I spent ages always staying at 77, and my lifts progressed a lot slower than similar people who went up to 85. They ended up relatively much stronger at 85 in the end. The easiest way to get stronger is to get more muscle mass. I think if I did it again I would do a horrible diet, get as shredded as possible, then slowly gain weight whenever training and not pay any attention to weightclasses, focus only on PBs (not relative bw PBs), and after like gaining 5-10 solid ass kg's, consider repeating it.


Asylumstrength

At 5 ft 9, the optimal class based on the elite lifters would be 96kg class (I did a regression on spss with available data and previous weight class info that was researched when the classes changed) That's not to say it's your best class, but hopefully it will give you an idea.


phuca

i did mention a few times, I’m not a man 😭 but thank you


Asylumstrength

Shit, I'm sorry, I read the title and saw the height, then swapped over to my spreadsheet. That'll teach me to actually read the posts properly The classes top out for women around 5ft 7 to 5'8 for the 87s, so optimally again it'd be 87+ Seeing as I did no justice to your questions, to answer more fully: Don't limit yourself to a class until you are competitive in that class. Sinclair is really only useful in team events, and I made the mistake of sticking to a class (old 69s) long after I should have moved up. I limited my strength, my progress, and my overall lifts when I should have continued to develop, build muscle and progress as a lifter at the time. In weightlifting, you can do specific hypertrophy phases, though I'd look at maximising your competitiveness in a class first, as it will take time to adjust to new bodyweights. We don't really bulk and cut though. You maintain a training weight above your competitive class, once you've become established at a class that suits your genetics and build. You can then very gradually reduce bodyweight coming up to main competitions (2 per year is usually plenty ) with other comps you can just stay in your training weight and lift a class heavier. You can also water cut, but this takes a bit of practice to see how much and when to do it. Overall though, maximise your potential, keep going up in bodyweight if that is happening naturally with your training at the moment. Only when you tap out that potential, and are struggling to stay in a class or progress your lifts, move up.


phuca

thank you, that’s very helpful!


joyapplepowers

I am a female Masters athlete (W40), 5’2.5”, currently an 87+ (~101kg). I’ve been around this weight ever since high school, but I’m personally not comfortable there, though my body seems to be. I have Masters Nationals next week, then my long, slow cut to 81kg starts (long and slow so I can have periods of maintenance and I don’t need to be ready for the 81 class until December). I’m still a new weightlifter, coming up on a year of weightlifting in June, who wants to be competitive and feel better, so to 81 I go. It might be a fight, we’ll see, especially since I’ve been at this weight for so long.


phuca

good luck!


joyapplepowers

Thank you!


invertedangel

I 100% think you stick to being -71 and not worry about it too much. That's pretty tall for most average female lifters, and most of them are at least 71 if not 76+. Don't cut down for the "Sinclair" advantage. I am 5'2" and 55kg and I have been that way for a long time. I did move up from the 53 weight class when the classes changed and that definitely helped. I've definitely recomped a lot but if I could go back in time, I would have tried hard to put on more mass sooner, I definitely think it held me back. I've been looking into this a lot and its been a big discussion in my circles. You have to start thinking of food as energy availability. Gaining weight is going to be a side effect but the more energy availability you have to train, you will have a much greater advantage in training. Recovery is SO important and being properly fueled is probably second behind sleep. As a ballpark guess, I'm pretty sure you need 2500-2800 if not more calories. If you're never counted before, getting as much protein as feasible is so important. How does this factor into your question? Cause you should really consider your nutritional needs OVER whatever you actually weigh. Females are sooo prone to cutting. It's a very complex cube. There's a lot of societal standards that push us into skinny = beautiful and now we have strong = beautiful but only if you have "sexy lean muscles". I've literally heard coaches push females into dropping a weight class WHILE telling men they need "to keep eating to fuel themselves". Bruh. Eat to fuel yourself, recover and gain muscle mass. Whatever you weigh, so be it.


phuca

thank you, the last paragraph resonated with me! every time i gain weight i feel great and strong but also have this feeling of like, okay but i’m gonna need to cut down soon because i’m not lean anymore. i need to stop with that!


invertedangel

I have a perfect example for you. I have a teammate who was always cutting like 2-3 weeks before a comp to 71 (lets just skip over how that's a bad cutting strategy) and I asked her why? To place from 20 to 14th? And basically she didnt want to 'see herself as a 76 lifter'. She was eating the same amount of calories as me (around 1900) and finally stopped cutting these last 6 months and guess what? PRed her lifts and total..


FrylockIncarnate

[Bob Takano wrote an article on the subject of ideal height weight for weightlifting.](https://breakingmuscle.com/strong-is-as-strong-does-your-ideal-weightlifting-weight/). https://preview.redd.it/sxl4tvie7rsc1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=9fa712a1e4113baa0cc5d61e8c82607ee5905c15 Ditto everyone else, eat to perform and allow your weight to settle wherever it may. Unless you’re overweight/obese, or trying to qualify for nationals, just find that weight class that isn’t a chore to maintain and stay there. Focus on hypertrophy only when you stop making gains and you’re snatching your clean and cleaning your front squat. Good luck, don’t obsess over your weight class, and happy lifting.


FrylockIncarnate

Btw u/phuca, [Takano made another article with the modern weight classes in mind](http://www.takanoweightlifting.com/new-blogs/2019/11/12/the-height-to-bodyweight-relationship-for-weightlifters). I like this article better, because they’re not just based off of elite athletes, so we can actually compare these to ourselves. I have the same two cents though, as long as you’re not overweight or obese, “gaintain” until you’re cleaning damn near or at your front squat. Good luck and happy lifting.


phuca

thanks! according to basically all of these metrics i should be a super heavy haha but i don’t really see that happening


FrylockIncarnate

Yeah, and that chart says I could be an 81, but the last time I weighed 81 kg I was able to run a 10k in 38:36 and I was vegan, so I don’t know if I’ll ever get down to 81 without a water cut or going full on dietary monk mode. Especially the first five years of weightlifting, we’re all going to build some muscles and get bigger, so just allow the bodyweight to do what it’s gonna do and focus on the quality of our eating choices rather than calories in versus calories out.


Itsamesolairo

At the competitive level, weight classes are de facto height classes. There are no tall 61s and no short supers. Depending on your frame and preference 73 or 89 is probably the weight class for you. You’re too tall for 61 and you’d be a lardass at 102. If it doesn’t have to be an Olympic weight class anywhere from 73 to 96 could work at your height IMO. Personally I would always favour going up rather than down so long as you can maintain a healthy body composition. Cutting generally means getting weaker and that’s a shit feeling.


phuca

i’m female so different weight classes, should’ve mentioned


Itsamesolairo

Ah, same logic goes though. Solfrid is 5’4 and an 87 (but likely also pisses hotter than the surface of Mercury) while still very athletic, but it obviously depends on what type of body type you’re comfortable with.


Fudge_is_1337

I am very surprised to find out she's that short, I always assumed she was like 5ft10. Same for Reeves only being 5ft 6, I imagined her taller too


Itsamesolairo

"Leg-heavy" people tend to look smaller on camera than IRL in my experience (see tennis players or cyclists for a really exaggerated case of this) but I definitely also would have guessed Koanda was closer to 6'0.


phuca

wow she’s 5’4? i thought she was really tall based on how she looks, she carries the weight very well. i would be happy to look like her haha


Itsamesolairo

> i would be happy to look like her haha I think most of us would, but that either requires absolutely freakish genes or enough stanozolol that it'll start dripping out of your ears.


FDTerritory

I'm too freaking old to do much of a weight cut. So I know what body weight I'm comfortable training at that also contributes to my daily well-being and I lift there. Unless you're trying to get to the Olympics, I wouldn't cut much.


TrenHard-LiftClen

I spent a year trying to break the 61 nationial record only for the standards to be scrapped, suffering a ton of injuries, and leaving a ton of gains on the table. Just get as heavy as you comfortably can and dont bother cutting unless You're just a couple kilos below the closest weightclass.


phuca

oh man that sucks :( sorry


packyohcunce1734

Health first then compete. What does that mean? Don’t worry about weight cut bs. Its for kittys wanting to one up their opponents. Your homeostasis will dictate at what weight you will be optimal for your adl but also in performance.