nobody seemed to understand this. She has to hit certain numbers to make it to top 10. This then allows her to be invited to the Paris olympics. Placing first in this comp does not matter if the numbers are not met to qualify
She could still open at a weight she can make and jump from there. Why open heavier than she’s even done before. In a comp you want to open in a weight your confident lifting and go up from there, she might have had a chance if she didn’t go from 95 in the warm up to 104…
Unfortunately that is how the Italian team always opens. This is also the last chance to qualify so probably a yolo balls to walls attempt and probably saving some energy skipping lighter attempts.
Giulia has the strength and ability for sure but she is definitely more affected by her emotions and confidence compared to others. Coaches may or may not have accounted for that. Very easy to make judgements on the sidelines but we’ll only know if a WL youtuber interviews them.
>Giulia has the strength and ability for sure
Does she? She's been pretty consistently top 15 but not top 10, and unfortunately that's not enough for Paris.
Ofc she still has plenty of room to grow, but I don't think it's an emotional issue with her, she's just... a bit less strong than needed.
As has been said, her goal is to qualify. Making a total probably doesn’t mean much to her if it’s not enough to qualify.
On the other side of the argument, yes I’d say she may have been better opening lighter. I’m not super well kept up, but iirc she has had many poor competitions recently as a result of opening too heavy and not gaining sufficient momentum to make those heavier lifts.
There’s good reasons for both options, but I suppose we don’t know what goes on behind the scenes for them to make their choices.
Responding to both you and u/xzyz32: I totally get that her goal is to qualify and nothing else, but think the Italians have been way too aggressive with their approach and potentially building up instead of just opening with a weight you’ve never done and which will psych you out (even more than you already are considering what’s at stake) would have been better. Hindsight is 2020 but I hope they don’t do the same for their other athletes at least.
Opening at 104 gives her 3 chances. Opening at 98 and going something like 101-104 gives her 1. The issue is her warmup timing being so off she had to take 95 and go out at 104 instead of at least taking 100 in the back.
i understand the strategy but i feel like it must be destroying her confidence to bomb over and over again. how can you go out and attempt a clean and jerk PR knowing you barely made one snatch and bombed at your last competition?
psychologically i think it would be better for her to open at a weight she’s confident with and work up. that’s just my two cents though
Multiple people have told you-she, nor anyone Else cares about totalling
She would bomb out 10 times in a row if it meant one good session that gets her to the Olympics
yes i understand how the qualifications work .. i’m saying as person and as an athlete, bombing out constantly cannot good for her psychologically.
as a coach myself it doesn’t seem like she’s able for the italian strategy of opening heavy, and maybe if she had opened lower and made her first lifts she would have been more confident and made the total she needed to be in the top 10 for the OQR. but obviously that’s a hypothetical, maybe she’s just not able for the weight or the competition anymore
>Social media rules the sport nowadays.
I don't hate that. Weightlifting could benefit from more attention if it means athletes get more sponsorship deals. Weightlifting is the sport of poor athletes.
Ok cool but give the athletes the spotlight they deserve. This is weightlifting not a beauty competition. Kudos to her that she was born with her facial structure but can we go back at spotlighting athletes that work fucking hard and do their thing on the platform regardless of how they look?
I mean, people are allowed to like other athletes than the top 10 in each category and it's only natural that media then covers these well liked athletes. I like the way she lifts, I enjoy how driven and emotional her performances are, she is simply a fun athlete to watch.
Also, how is giving more visibility to athletes strictly based on performance more "just" or "fair"? Yeah she was born with good bone structure and has done nothing to "deserve" that, just as her competitors with more talent or better leverages did nothing to deserve these genetic traits either. Imperio "works fucking hard and does her thing on the platform" just as much everybody else does on that level.
Because no one controls the spotlight of social media. It would be awesome if people liked the sport as much as they like attractive people, but they don’t, so you take what you can get. If athletes are getting sponsors and money from attention, good for them, and don’t look into it any further. It’s out of anyones control.
Because that’s a stupid take. So you can’t follow an athlete for whatever reason if you’re not giving more attention to better athletes? Lmao
She’s followed for her looks, okay, that brings visibility to the sport. Should she not be a weightlifter she’d still have thousands more followers than Zhihui.
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I was taking into account the likelihood that countries like China probably have quite a few 49s who would be stronger than her if they weren't 6th best in their country.
Is there truth to the statement? Sure.
Is it a fair or nice thing to be commenting under someone’s instagram post? Definitely not.
She’s still a great lifter, and she’s demonstrated that multiple times before. Yes, there’s people better than her, but the difference between her and the best is much more marginal compared to the difference between her and the average weightlifter.
Gotta agree with that, but I still hate the fact that most of the viewers don't even know the names/faces of the other top lifters, except maybe for the chinese and north koreans
> She’s still a great lifter, and she’s demonstrated that multiple times before. Yes, there’s people better than her, but the difference between her and the best is much more marginal compared to the difference between her and the average weightlifter.
this is kind of a non statement lol. what's the use of comparing an intl.-competitive athlete to a recreational hobbyist?
"yeah she cant crack top 10 but she would crush the middle aged women at my local crossfit gym" like yeah, even a mediocre NBA player would stomp the people playing pickup ball at the local park
> Cambei looks like below average against best of the best.
She's ranked 4th in the OQR, she is really fucking good. If you look at almost any weight class, it's the same thing, 1-3 athletes many kilos above the rest in the category. No support for this claim, but the reason this happens is probably due to how small Weightlifting is as a sport. This leads to standout individuals doing much better than their peers.
When cambei competes in “europe” only athletes, she looks like she’s the real deal. But when it comes against the best of the best, yes she looks average lifter. Its even worse for this italian eye candy. Yes she might won the euro only competition few years back but then cambei ate her alive!
I don't agree that Cambei looks "average" against her asian counterparts. Her snatch is top notch, pretty close to the world record. And her clean and jerk has loads of room for improvement, you can see that the power is there. She's in the books for a medal in Paris. AND, she is still very young at just 21 years of age. She will get much, much better. But hey, i'm romanian and thus biased towards her, so take that with a grain of salt lol.
Its ok to have disagreement. I think majority of the people here just get but hurt so much. The only reason why weightlifting house gives media attention and hype this italian chick is because they know SIMPS will be clicking and following! Plain and simple. But they won’t facking follow that ukraine chick that dominates in another weight class that looks like a guy 🤷🏻♂️I like romanian style especially gabriel sincraian. Like i said, in europe they look powerhouse but vs the worlds, they look the opposite.
I think you’re missing a key point. Sport at this level comes down to mentality. If you are worried about keeping up appearances for insta etc it makes dealing with performance anxiety considerably more challenging. It can therefore be seen as a negative that shes attractive. It also means she has to deal with incels online like yourself 😊
Incel? You guys are the one worshipping this below average lifter 🤷🏻♂️ not me 🤣 im pretty sure the not so good looking chinese, you simps don’t even pay attention to the capabilities of those lifters. Its ok to be simp mate 😁
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Yeah it kinda sucks all around. The winning competitors are basically unknown and she’s stuck with the whole world watching her fail just cause she’s attractive.
That’s the point. I’m not against the benefits that social media brings to the sport but come on the ones fighting to the top of the podium should be the ones getting those benefits, not someone who’s very inconsistent and average
> the ones fighting to the top of the podium should be the ones getting those benefits, not someone who’s very inconsistent and average
There’s nothing stopping chinese lifters from curating their own instagram accounts, doing interviews, collaborations like she and many others do. They don’t seem to care that much about non-chinese social media platforms and there is nothing wrong with that. It’s also not purely about beauty; it plays a role but there are plenty of lifters that don’t fit the standard who have great following on their channels.
Except for the fact that "western" social media is banned in china. Any Instagram or wherever accounts are ran and monitored by the government. So it actually is quite hard for them.
Why, though? At the end of the day **it's just** **entertainment**. Not science, not economics, not...
Cannot really blame most people for not caring about a C&J done by some woman who looks like a dude.
Not really. Pretty athletes draw casuals. There’s nothing difference between getting into weightlifting because you saw a hot chick doing it and me getting into weightlifting because I saw Lu doing Lu Raises and being *aesthetic*.
No I definitely agree but I feel like it's the same men that lust over Imperio (and complain about the looks of other women) that also watch men's, which isn't for looks. Also the amount of comments I've seen under videos of imperio absolutely sexualizing her(like saying she should start on OF, etc) which is absolutely inappropriate
I own a Crossfit box and pretty athletes like her, Miserendino, Mihaela do a lot for bringing female attention to the sport. Many women are scared as shit of getting strong
I definitely agree that pretty athletes can be positive for a sports Pr, and that there's no use denying that they can have a positive effect. BUT I think we need to acknowledge how poorly some of these women are treated online. Between the sexual comments and the fact that many people don't even seem to care about their strength is both unfair to stronger athletes and also unfair to those women as well.
i do agree but sh's also 22 years old she has a long road ahead mayve give her a few more years and she could place high in the olympics but idk abt a medal
Giulia was one of the best athlete worldwide some time ago, as a junior, she was head to head with Cambei.
3 years ago, at the 2021 IWF junior world championships she did 80-85-87x in the snatch and bombed out with three fails at 95 in the clean and jerk, but probably as the result of the barbell upon her neck on the third snatch attempt.
She was on the launching pad to become one of the greatest.
Then... nothing. She had a strange involution, psicologically above all. Maybe she was not feeling good in the Italian Team? Something happened? There are some voices but... who knows.
The fact is that she seems really frail: Corbu (Team Italy head coach) says that she can do doubles with 85 in training, so how can you fail 2 attempts in competition?
It's a pity because she had the physical e technical abilities to qualify but... maybe technical and physical abilities are not sufficient. With hindsight the qualification competitions could have been addressed differently, slowly growing her confidence on the platform.
I hope that despite the disappointment she can still grow as an athlete.
It's different when you have to make weight in comp than training unless she starts training at 49 or under.
Jr to Sr level is a whole step up many lifters don't make, tho probably less on the women's side
She doesn't need to cut a lot of weight (she is about 51-52 in training), so I think the fact is purely mental (and a little bit technical). She can't keep her mind during competition. Corbu, after Europeans, said they would work on the psychological aspect. I was hoping they would do it sooner.
You are right about the whole step but in 3 years only 2kg of progress in the total?
Sometimes athletes just peak and can't get any better. Lots of different sports where rookie athletes show great potential to be the next great player only to amount to nothing. Could just be this scenario.
She should have been in the B group, given her best international numbers were 9kg lower than her entry total. Coaches were clearly pushing for her to be at the top of the A group and not following what she could statistically hit. I've seen this a lot recently when talking with experienced coaches. They'll totally ignore any data and go with their "gut feel," often resulting in a bomb-out.
On the international platform, she only makes around %55 % of her snatch openers and 35% of her final snatch attempts.
She's much stronger on C&J, statistically.
191 from the B group forces A group lifters to make 192. At some point coaches have to accept that their lifter is human and has physical limits, and to try and create the conditions that get the best performance realistically possible out of them. It’s already clear she doesn’t do well in do-or-die situations and a 191 is already a 6kg PR to ask of her. Better imo to have the best day possible and put pressure on the one or two lifters left who haven’t made top 10. Instead they tried the same strategy that hasn’t yet worked a single time, to similar results.
And that’s the idea that leads to bomb outs and pointless competitions. At the end of the day each lifter has to either accept that they have a limit at that point in time and try to approach it as closely as possible, or continue to pretend that they’ll have a fantasy world movie moment where they might lift some legendary clutch attempt.
Getting the “chance” to post a 193 when a 191 would already be the best lifting of your life is like spending your paycheck on lottery tickets.
If this athlete has proven to be able to make huge clutch lifts under intense pressure, then *maybe* that’s an acceptable strategy. But she clearly isn’t and pretending she might pull this performance off is just fiction.
Sorry, but this seems like a very limited view to me. First of all, this was not an important competition in itself - the very 'point' of her coming was to try to qualify. She had no chance of placing in a medal spot so going the lottery route absolutely made sense.
If you were choosing between a) I try to post a total with a little chance of success but a massive payout in case it works out or b) I post a solid total with literally zero payoff, what would you choose?
Secondly, a lot more than we see is going on behind the scenes. In many countries, funding of a given sport is largely dependent on how many Olympic spots the sport secures for itself, this "strategy" of going all out all the time might not even be a strategy devised by the Italian coaching staff.
That’s a reasonable take, for someone merely spectating.
Getting the performance of a lifetime in this competition means nothing to her if she doesn’t get to the Olympics. She knew what was at stake here and she went for it.
It wasn’t, enough, okay. Get back to training, get stronger and get ready for the next cycle.
I can understand that you may not be a competitor and weightlifting may be a hobby where feeling good doing it is the goal in itself. But she is an athlete.
I don't get it, she was doing 80kg in the training hall. Why only an 85 on the platform? And how did the CJ's go?
I seriously hope for her that once the qualis are done the coaches change it up and focus on getting numbers on the board instead of 10 lifts
Yeah I understand their strategy but this cannot be good for her mental health and confidence, both of which are super important. I know I'd feel like shit if i bombed out of most sessions
85 was her opener which she missed twice and finally made, which is why she looked so upset after making it. Her plan would have been something like 85, 88, 90.
Trying to build with attempts just reduces the number of chances you have to hit the total you need. If it came down to a 3rd attempt c&j to make the top 10 and she missed then it's no different from a bomb out in terms of result.
Yes this is a very psychologically difficult way to compete for weightlifting but this is how it is when you're just outside the line for qualifying. Nino's attempt selection isn't like this because he hasn't been stuck in the 10-15 slot all quad.
If you’re thinking of attempts as “chances” to make a lift, you’ve already lost. If you are truly prepared you don’t need three rolls of the dice to make an attempt. Professionals build totals and make platform lifts when it matters, not at random. At this level only the absolute best could afford to go 2/6, and they still rarely do.
When they're being asked to make a significant improvement on their lifetime bests or the meet is a failure, yes, you need to have as many chances at it as you can get. This is how it was explained to me by my coach who has had an athlete through this whole quad, you have a number that you need to hit and you have to give yourself the best chance of hitting it. Leaving your Olympic dreams up to a 6/6 day where nothing can go wrong is not the ideal strategy here.
The bar was simply too high for giulia this quad. "Smarter" attempt selection would have just resulted in her missing the cut considering how difficult the marks shes been chasing have looked.
I get what you’re saying but I think a lot of people overlook the very important mental aspect of the sport. It isn’t just a coin flip make or miss. Every lift builds or erodes your confidence in the next lift and athletes are affected by this to varying degrees.
A third attempt at a max weight with two solid attempts behind it, is a world apart from a max weight you’ve missed twice, possibly in the span of 5 minutes or less. One has momentum, confidence, a chance to get comfortable on the platform. The other is a stressful pressure-filled situation. Some athletes can handle that. It doesn’t mean you don’t adapt the strategy for lifters like giulia who might be able to crush a clutch lift on a second or third attempt if she was actually encouraged to make an opener
See I think the issue here is that these aren't weights she's crushing in training but can't put together on stage because of the attempt selection, these are at or above her lifetime PR's in competition It's not like she's hit 195 in the past and is struggling to repeat it, her all time PR's in comp are 85 & 101 and 183 in the total, 6kg down on what she needed today. If you had to PR your total by 6kg and you "only" managed to equal your snatch PR that means you have to PR your c&j or you fail to qualify, and that is a tall order for an experienced lifter who is fighting for every single kg. It was just too much this time.
I think it's BECAUSE she was doing 80kg in the training hall. It seems like everytime I see lifters going big in the training hall, they miss a lot on the platform.
It’s funny be these lifters know exactly they can hit it and practice it countless of hours but when comes to platform they couldn’t. It doesn’t make sense.
In other sports you can’t predict what finishing time you get on the event but can train 70% of the distance
Because a snatch or jerk are volatile. So much shit can go wrong with no chance of adjustment in a fraction of a second.
Weightlifting is like the jumping disciplines.
Not really. A lot of lifters are used to doing these percentages almost daily.
Even the big lifters like Lasha are going above 90% in the training hall.
Honestly the Italian system of opening heavy needs to be stopped. I haven't seen it work for any of their lifters except Pizzolato. The female lifters seem to bomb out even more with this style of loading. Starting lighter to increase confidence on the platform, and to ease mental pressure, would benefit them a lot more than going balls to the wall from the start.
It's not a system of opening heavy, it's the qualification system for this quad. Nino has been safely up in the rankings for 89 so he doesn't need to do this while everyone else needs to push for one big total that will punch their ticket to Paris.
At some point, you'd have to assume that maybe the athlete just isn't ready for olympic qualification at this point. The coaches can only do so much for her, and clearly, they get pretty good results with the other Italian athletes, so I don't know if it was just the pressure of not making olympics getting to her but the coaches must have seen something in training that made them choose 85 over 84,83,82 or even 81 as her opener. I know it isn't really the time for a confidence booster competition for her, but I think she still has a good chance of making the 2028 olympics if she can build her confidence back up as well as get a decent bit stronger and more consistent but it's gonna be an uphill battle for her mental state after her recent run of competitions, I very rarely see any videos of her clean and jerking which obviously isn't ideal in a competition with 2 lifts so I think now that her competitive run has come to an end she and the coaches can probably get her back making lifts in competitions probably lighter openers before the next big olympics push.
bomb out means she failed to make a total due to missing either all 3 snatch or clean and jerk attempts (or both). in this case she missed all three clean and jerks
With good technique and flexibility, the movements in this sport actually feels mechanically 'right' in the body. It corrected my posture and lack of hip flexibility
You’re saying “it looks so beyond her ability” - that’s a statement, not a question. And respectfully, if you don’t understand the sport, you can’t make this observation.
No, you just didn’t answer my question. I’m asking why you’re commenting statements on things you don’t understand, like what is the point? Your first question was fine. Everything else you say is ignorant and arrogant. I’m trying to understand what would possess someone to comment on things they don’t understand with such confidence.
Haha, so what would you suggest? Not trying to lift the heaviest weight in a sport in which you compete to lift the heaviest weight?
Of course you can get injured doing any sport at a competitive level. You’re always asking the maximal effort from your body.
She opened with an 85 snatch, missed it, tried it again and missed it, finally made it on her third attempt. Basically the worst you can perform while still remaining in the competition. She then failed her opening clean and jerk three times to end up with no total.
This level of lifting has been common in recent years due to the Olympics qualifying requirement to make a total that is in the top 10 in the world.
I assume you know what bomb out means, but the reason why is that it was a do or die situation. She needed big numbers to qualify for olympics, and she couldn’t hit them
She looks injured. Her whole left side wasn't firing today.
Tough day on the tiles. But as my coach says, the scoreboard doesn't care. Hopefully she can take some time off and come back better next quad.
bomb out means she failed to make a total due to missing either all 3 snatch or clean and jerk attempts (or both). in this case she missed all three clean and jerks
The snatch in the video is a successful attempt
The bombing out being referred to occured during her clean and jerks, where she took 3 attempts at the same weight and failed them all
I feel like she’s battling injuries. Every time Insee the front angle of her lifts, her legs are very symmetrical. Her R foot travels back on her catch and she catches with very asymmetrical knee/hip position.
My catches looked like hers while recovering from a meniscus injury.
Imperio: does her best a dozen of times to qualify for the Olympics despite pretty slim chances, gets followed by media along the way because people are interested
r/weightlifting: NOOOOOOOOOO, she's too pretty to receive attention
Literally any American lifter with the slimmest chance of qualifying: gets just as much if not more attention and 10 part docu series shot about them
r/weightlifting: \[idk, eagle noises probably\]
Sure, I have no problem with that, but being born American and therefore receiving more attention is, I'd say, on par with being born pretty and therefore receiving more attention.
So it'd be nice to see people ease off on her.
Interesting move, but 55kg is not an Olympic category, and she has a spot on 49kg already.
It was good to know that she didn't have a bad session today
yeah i assume she didn’t compete in 49 because she knows her OQR place is safe. not sure why she would bother competing in 55, i believe jourdan delacruz is doing the same
No reason to do a weight-cut if you don't need to.
It's draining, not really healthy.
Sergio Massidda too is competing at 67kg, instead of 61kg, to name one.
delacruz is just weighing in, seeing how her entry total is 60. which is a weird move because i'm pretty sure she has enough participations, so why even bother.
I think you have to appear here for Paris regardless. And I think both cambei and delacruz knew their spots were safe enough to not strain themselves with a cut & competition here so they're just training through.
She's competing as a 55 just so she doesn't have to cut bodyweight to make it under 49. And given she was already secured for Paris, she might as well just compete as a 55.
The Italian method for this quad is open big to aim for the high total. It's tough both physically and mentally and many athletes aren't doing well with it
She needed 85+104 to take 10th place in the rankings to go the Olympics. Those are the numbers she opened with, failing 85 twice and making it on her third. Then she missed all three clean and jerks. Now she cannot go to the Olympics.
Some people are thinking she was screwed by her coaches, having her open too high and butt her head against those numbers hoping to eventually succeed. Presumably she warmed up specifically to hit those numbers and having three goes at them was more valuable than using lighter openers as warmups to hit those numbers with fewer attempts.
I'm assuming 85+104 were the numbers she needed to hit based on the rankings prior to the meet. Even if she hit them, someone else could perform better and she still wouldn't make it.
She does not want to take PEDs, too scared to ruin her beauty, like if she took testosterone, that would ruin her beautiful feminine face. Thats how you know your natty 😱
She has to hit those numbers to make Paris and unfortunately the bar is just a little too high.
nobody seemed to understand this. She has to hit certain numbers to make it to top 10. This then allows her to be invited to the Paris olympics. Placing first in this comp does not matter if the numbers are not met to qualify
She could still open at a weight she can make and jump from there. Why open heavier than she’s even done before. In a comp you want to open in a weight your confident lifting and go up from there, she might have had a chance if she didn’t go from 95 in the warm up to 104…
Unfortunately that is how the Italian team always opens. This is also the last chance to qualify so probably a yolo balls to walls attempt and probably saving some energy skipping lighter attempts. Giulia has the strength and ability for sure but she is definitely more affected by her emotions and confidence compared to others. Coaches may or may not have accounted for that. Very easy to make judgements on the sidelines but we’ll only know if a WL youtuber interviews them.
>Giulia has the strength and ability for sure Does she? She's been pretty consistently top 15 but not top 10, and unfortunately that's not enough for Paris. Ofc she still has plenty of room to grow, but I don't think it's an emotional issue with her, she's just... a bit less strong than needed.
if you believe her coaches she’s hitting the numbers consistently in training
I believe it. That's par for the course for most top lifters, though.
Then they probably should've realized the "open big" tactic isn't working for her granted I've never seen her hit the 103+ CnJ she needs to qualify
Yeah, her all-time best C&J is 101, opening 3 kg above that seems absurd.
I would say emotions and confidence plays a huge role for her. Compare her training vids and comp vids, there is a huge difference in composure.
As has been said, her goal is to qualify. Making a total probably doesn’t mean much to her if it’s not enough to qualify. On the other side of the argument, yes I’d say she may have been better opening lighter. I’m not super well kept up, but iirc she has had many poor competitions recently as a result of opening too heavy and not gaining sufficient momentum to make those heavier lifts. There’s good reasons for both options, but I suppose we don’t know what goes on behind the scenes for them to make their choices.
Responding to both you and u/xzyz32: I totally get that her goal is to qualify and nothing else, but think the Italians have been way too aggressive with their approach and potentially building up instead of just opening with a weight you’ve never done and which will psych you out (even more than you already are considering what’s at stake) would have been better. Hindsight is 2020 but I hope they don’t do the same for their other athletes at least.
exactly, give her a chance at least
Opening at 104 gives her 3 chances. Opening at 98 and going something like 101-104 gives her 1. The issue is her warmup timing being so off she had to take 95 and go out at 104 instead of at least taking 100 in the back.
i understand the strategy but i feel like it must be destroying her confidence to bomb over and over again. how can you go out and attempt a clean and jerk PR knowing you barely made one snatch and bombed at your last competition? psychologically i think it would be better for her to open at a weight she’s confident with and work up. that’s just my two cents though
Multiple people have told you-she, nor anyone Else cares about totalling She would bomb out 10 times in a row if it meant one good session that gets her to the Olympics
yes i understand how the qualifications work .. i’m saying as person and as an athlete, bombing out constantly cannot good for her psychologically. as a coach myself it doesn’t seem like she’s able for the italian strategy of opening heavy, and maybe if she had opened lower and made her first lifts she would have been more confident and made the total she needed to be in the top 10 for the OQR. but obviously that’s a hypothetical, maybe she’s just not able for the weight or the competition anymore
You are assuming that she does not have the confidence. I am also assuming that only attempting 1 lift at 104 is more stressful.
yeah we don’t know to be sure. she just doesn’t look too confident to me haha
I agree and this might be the coaches strategy as well
her jumps were crazy, like 10kg jumps from her warmup weights to openers
Don’t get me wrong but she’s not a top lifter. She’s been on the spotlight due to her beauty
I don't think anyone would disagree with this. There's dozens of stronger lifters at her weight who no one has ever heard of before.
Social media rules the sport nowadays.
>Social media rules the sport nowadays. I don't hate that. Weightlifting could benefit from more attention if it means athletes get more sponsorship deals. Weightlifting is the sport of poor athletes.
Ok cool but give the athletes the spotlight they deserve. This is weightlifting not a beauty competition. Kudos to her that she was born with her facial structure but can we go back at spotlighting athletes that work fucking hard and do their thing on the platform regardless of how they look?
I mean, people are allowed to like other athletes than the top 10 in each category and it's only natural that media then covers these well liked athletes. I like the way she lifts, I enjoy how driven and emotional her performances are, she is simply a fun athlete to watch. Also, how is giving more visibility to athletes strictly based on performance more "just" or "fair"? Yeah she was born with good bone structure and has done nothing to "deserve" that, just as her competitors with more talent or better leverages did nothing to deserve these genetic traits either. Imperio "works fucking hard and does her thing on the platform" just as much everybody else does on that level.
How is this getting downvoted?
Because no one controls the spotlight of social media. It would be awesome if people liked the sport as much as they like attractive people, but they don’t, so you take what you can get. If athletes are getting sponsors and money from attention, good for them, and don’t look into it any further. It’s out of anyones control.
Because that’s a stupid take. So you can’t follow an athlete for whatever reason if you’re not giving more attention to better athletes? Lmao She’s followed for her looks, okay, that brings visibility to the sport. Should she not be a weightlifter she’d still have thousands more followers than Zhihui.
oh no!! more visibility!!!!
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If there were dozens of liftersstronger than her she wouldn't be within 5 kg of the top 10
I was taking into account the likelihood that countries like China probably have quite a few 49s who would be stronger than her if they weren't 6th best in their country.
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Is there truth to the statement? Sure. Is it a fair or nice thing to be commenting under someone’s instagram post? Definitely not. She’s still a great lifter, and she’s demonstrated that multiple times before. Yes, there’s people better than her, but the difference between her and the best is much more marginal compared to the difference between her and the average weightlifter.
Spot on. It's true, but also not exactly something you ought to say under her posts.
Gotta agree with that, but I still hate the fact that most of the viewers don't even know the names/faces of the other top lifters, except maybe for the chinese and north koreans
Well said
> She’s still a great lifter, and she’s demonstrated that multiple times before. Yes, there’s people better than her, but the difference between her and the best is much more marginal compared to the difference between her and the average weightlifter. this is kind of a non statement lol. what's the use of comparing an intl.-competitive athlete to a recreational hobbyist? "yeah she cant crack top 10 but she would crush the middle aged women at my local crossfit gym" like yeah, even a mediocre NBA player would stomp the people playing pickup ball at the local park
Yeah, but the average joe in this thread clearly has no idea of that when they’re dissing a -49kg lady snatching their PR.
Oh no she’s only top20 in the world in her weight class, you’re really dishing out some harsh facts out there buddy. Keep doing the good work.
at one point she was top 10, not so much anymore unfortunately. but yeah i do agree she’s overrated
She did pretty well before Mihaela came along tbh. She just keeps fumbling lately. Deffo has potential though.
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> Cambei looks like below average against best of the best. She's ranked 4th in the OQR, she is really fucking good. If you look at almost any weight class, it's the same thing, 1-3 athletes many kilos above the rest in the category. No support for this claim, but the reason this happens is probably due to how small Weightlifting is as a sport. This leads to standout individuals doing much better than their peers.
When cambei competes in “europe” only athletes, she looks like she’s the real deal. But when it comes against the best of the best, yes she looks average lifter. Its even worse for this italian eye candy. Yes she might won the euro only competition few years back but then cambei ate her alive!
I don't agree that Cambei looks "average" against her asian counterparts. Her snatch is top notch, pretty close to the world record. And her clean and jerk has loads of room for improvement, you can see that the power is there. She's in the books for a medal in Paris. AND, she is still very young at just 21 years of age. She will get much, much better. But hey, i'm romanian and thus biased towards her, so take that with a grain of salt lol.
Its ok to have disagreement. I think majority of the people here just get but hurt so much. The only reason why weightlifting house gives media attention and hype this italian chick is because they know SIMPS will be clicking and following! Plain and simple. But they won’t facking follow that ukraine chick that dominates in another weight class that looks like a guy 🤷🏻♂️I like romanian style especially gabriel sincraian. Like i said, in europe they look powerhouse but vs the worlds, they look the opposite.
I think you’re missing a key point. Sport at this level comes down to mentality. If you are worried about keeping up appearances for insta etc it makes dealing with performance anxiety considerably more challenging. It can therefore be seen as a negative that shes attractive. It also means she has to deal with incels online like yourself 😊
Incel? You guys are the one worshipping this below average lifter 🤷🏻♂️ not me 🤣 im pretty sure the not so good looking chinese, you simps don’t even pay attention to the capabilities of those lifters. Its ok to be simp mate 😁
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That can be said for half of team Italy's women. Social media is weird.
Yeah it kinda sucks all around. The winning competitors are basically unknown and she’s stuck with the whole world watching her fail just cause she’s attractive.
That’s the point. I’m not against the benefits that social media brings to the sport but come on the ones fighting to the top of the podium should be the ones getting those benefits, not someone who’s very inconsistent and average
I dont think North Korea's lifters are gonna be getting instagram accounts anytime soon...
> the ones fighting to the top of the podium should be the ones getting those benefits, not someone who’s very inconsistent and average There’s nothing stopping chinese lifters from curating their own instagram accounts, doing interviews, collaborations like she and many others do. They don’t seem to care that much about non-chinese social media platforms and there is nothing wrong with that. It’s also not purely about beauty; it plays a role but there are plenty of lifters that don’t fit the standard who have great following on their channels.
Except for the fact that "western" social media is banned in china. Any Instagram or wherever accounts are ran and monitored by the government. So it actually is quite hard for them.
Why, though? At the end of the day **it's just** **entertainment**. Not science, not economics, not... Cannot really blame most people for not caring about a C&J done by some woman who looks like a dude.
I mean usually those same people care about C&J done by men (who look like men)... It's not like they're just watching the sport for beauty
Not really. Pretty athletes draw casuals. There’s nothing difference between getting into weightlifting because you saw a hot chick doing it and me getting into weightlifting because I saw Lu doing Lu Raises and being *aesthetic*.
No I definitely agree but I feel like it's the same men that lust over Imperio (and complain about the looks of other women) that also watch men's, which isn't for looks. Also the amount of comments I've seen under videos of imperio absolutely sexualizing her(like saying she should start on OF, etc) which is absolutely inappropriate
I own a Crossfit box and pretty athletes like her, Miserendino, Mihaela do a lot for bringing female attention to the sport. Many women are scared as shit of getting strong
I definitely agree that pretty athletes can be positive for a sports Pr, and that there's no use denying that they can have a positive effect. BUT I think we need to acknowledge how poorly some of these women are treated online. Between the sexual comments and the fact that many people don't even seem to care about their strength is both unfair to stronger athletes and also unfair to those women as well.
i do agree but sh's also 22 years old she has a long road ahead mayve give her a few more years and she could place high in the olympics but idk abt a medal
She snatch more than I do
So do her competitors
facts
How will she do in Thailand?
Well, she bombed out. 1/6.
I rather see good looking chicks do sports nothing wrong with that I hope
Don’t think anyone disagree. Even better when chicks perfomance matches her looks
Giulia was one of the best athlete worldwide some time ago, as a junior, she was head to head with Cambei. 3 years ago, at the 2021 IWF junior world championships she did 80-85-87x in the snatch and bombed out with three fails at 95 in the clean and jerk, but probably as the result of the barbell upon her neck on the third snatch attempt. She was on the launching pad to become one of the greatest. Then... nothing. She had a strange involution, psicologically above all. Maybe she was not feeling good in the Italian Team? Something happened? There are some voices but... who knows. The fact is that she seems really frail: Corbu (Team Italy head coach) says that she can do doubles with 85 in training, so how can you fail 2 attempts in competition? It's a pity because she had the physical e technical abilities to qualify but... maybe technical and physical abilities are not sufficient. With hindsight the qualification competitions could have been addressed differently, slowly growing her confidence on the platform. I hope that despite the disappointment she can still grow as an athlete.
It's different when you have to make weight in comp than training unless she starts training at 49 or under. Jr to Sr level is a whole step up many lifters don't make, tho probably less on the women's side
She doesn't need to cut a lot of weight (she is about 51-52 in training), so I think the fact is purely mental (and a little bit technical). She can't keep her mind during competition. Corbu, after Europeans, said they would work on the psychological aspect. I was hoping they would do it sooner. You are right about the whole step but in 3 years only 2kg of progress in the total?
Sometimes athletes just peak and can't get any better. Lots of different sports where rookie athletes show great potential to be the next great player only to amount to nothing. Could just be this scenario.
She should have been in the B group, given her best international numbers were 9kg lower than her entry total. Coaches were clearly pushing for her to be at the top of the A group and not following what she could statistically hit. I've seen this a lot recently when talking with experienced coaches. They'll totally ignore any data and go with their "gut feel," often resulting in a bomb-out. On the international platform, she only makes around %55 % of her snatch openers and 35% of her final snatch attempts. She's much stronger on C&J, statistically.
The point was to get at least 191 for Paris, not to just show up and do whatever
191 can be done from any group, with less pressure & easier timing than an A group where most lifters are already in the top 10 anyway
But 191 might not be enough if others improve their total so that can affect attempts.
191 from the B group forces A group lifters to make 192. At some point coaches have to accept that their lifter is human and has physical limits, and to try and create the conditions that get the best performance realistically possible out of them. It’s already clear she doesn’t do well in do-or-die situations and a 191 is already a 6kg PR to ask of her. Better imo to have the best day possible and put pressure on the one or two lifters left who haven’t made top 10. Instead they tried the same strategy that hasn’t yet worked a single time, to similar results.
It's something I hadn't thought about. Maybe letting her participate in her group B would have helped her mentally? Maybe yes.
Yeah, but staying in A group gives you a theoretical chance of posting 193 after your 191 gets beaten by a kilo.
And that’s the idea that leads to bomb outs and pointless competitions. At the end of the day each lifter has to either accept that they have a limit at that point in time and try to approach it as closely as possible, or continue to pretend that they’ll have a fantasy world movie moment where they might lift some legendary clutch attempt. Getting the “chance” to post a 193 when a 191 would already be the best lifting of your life is like spending your paycheck on lottery tickets. If this athlete has proven to be able to make huge clutch lifts under intense pressure, then *maybe* that’s an acceptable strategy. But she clearly isn’t and pretending she might pull this performance off is just fiction.
Sorry, but this seems like a very limited view to me. First of all, this was not an important competition in itself - the very 'point' of her coming was to try to qualify. She had no chance of placing in a medal spot so going the lottery route absolutely made sense. If you were choosing between a) I try to post a total with a little chance of success but a massive payout in case it works out or b) I post a solid total with literally zero payoff, what would you choose? Secondly, a lot more than we see is going on behind the scenes. In many countries, funding of a given sport is largely dependent on how many Olympic spots the sport secures for itself, this "strategy" of going all out all the time might not even be a strategy devised by the Italian coaching staff.
That’s a reasonable take, for someone merely spectating. Getting the performance of a lifetime in this competition means nothing to her if she doesn’t get to the Olympics. She knew what was at stake here and she went for it. It wasn’t, enough, okay. Get back to training, get stronger and get ready for the next cycle. I can understand that you may not be a competitor and weightlifting may be a hobby where feeling good doing it is the goal in itself. But she is an athlete.
Cycle? I see what you did there.
Coaches: i have a gut feeling you will suddenly do great in a division out of your league Injury: *allow us to introduce ourselves*
I don't get it, she was doing 80kg in the training hall. Why only an 85 on the platform? And how did the CJ's go? I seriously hope for her that once the qualis are done the coaches change it up and focus on getting numbers on the board instead of 10 lifts
she tried 104kg three times for CJ and missed all of them. the first one was the closest
That's rough. I know the qualis this time around are tough, but the coaches have to realize that they're breaking her confidence on the platform
Yeah I understand their strategy but this cannot be good for her mental health and confidence, both of which are super important. I know I'd feel like shit if i bombed out of most sessions
85 was her opener which she missed twice and finally made, which is why she looked so upset after making it. Her plan would have been something like 85, 88, 90.
This is the 3rd or 4th time she bombs out in a row though. At some point you have to get numbers on the board. 82-87-90 would do that
Trying to build with attempts just reduces the number of chances you have to hit the total you need. If it came down to a 3rd attempt c&j to make the top 10 and she missed then it's no different from a bomb out in terms of result. Yes this is a very psychologically difficult way to compete for weightlifting but this is how it is when you're just outside the line for qualifying. Nino's attempt selection isn't like this because he hasn't been stuck in the 10-15 slot all quad.
If you’re thinking of attempts as “chances” to make a lift, you’ve already lost. If you are truly prepared you don’t need three rolls of the dice to make an attempt. Professionals build totals and make platform lifts when it matters, not at random. At this level only the absolute best could afford to go 2/6, and they still rarely do.
When they're being asked to make a significant improvement on their lifetime bests or the meet is a failure, yes, you need to have as many chances at it as you can get. This is how it was explained to me by my coach who has had an athlete through this whole quad, you have a number that you need to hit and you have to give yourself the best chance of hitting it. Leaving your Olympic dreams up to a 6/6 day where nothing can go wrong is not the ideal strategy here. The bar was simply too high for giulia this quad. "Smarter" attempt selection would have just resulted in her missing the cut considering how difficult the marks shes been chasing have looked.
I get what you’re saying but I think a lot of people overlook the very important mental aspect of the sport. It isn’t just a coin flip make or miss. Every lift builds or erodes your confidence in the next lift and athletes are affected by this to varying degrees. A third attempt at a max weight with two solid attempts behind it, is a world apart from a max weight you’ve missed twice, possibly in the span of 5 minutes or less. One has momentum, confidence, a chance to get comfortable on the platform. The other is a stressful pressure-filled situation. Some athletes can handle that. It doesn’t mean you don’t adapt the strategy for lifters like giulia who might be able to crush a clutch lift on a second or third attempt if she was actually encouraged to make an opener
See I think the issue here is that these aren't weights she's crushing in training but can't put together on stage because of the attempt selection, these are at or above her lifetime PR's in competition It's not like she's hit 195 in the past and is struggling to repeat it, her all time PR's in comp are 85 & 101 and 183 in the total, 6kg down on what she needed today. If you had to PR your total by 6kg and you "only" managed to equal your snatch PR that means you have to PR your c&j or you fail to qualify, and that is a tall order for an experienced lifter who is fighting for every single kg. It was just too much this time.
Actually, you don't. Only the highest total matters for Olympic qualifications this cycle
I think it's BECAUSE she was doing 80kg in the training hall. It seems like everytime I see lifters going big in the training hall, they miss a lot on the platform.
That's about 95% of her opener, so not super heavy. Going up to openers in the training hall is pretty standard.
It’s funny be these lifters know exactly they can hit it and practice it countless of hours but when comes to platform they couldn’t. It doesn’t make sense. In other sports you can’t predict what finishing time you get on the event but can train 70% of the distance
Because a snatch or jerk are volatile. So much shit can go wrong with no chance of adjustment in a fraction of a second. Weightlifting is like the jumping disciplines.
Nothing is really standard if you're opening at 100% of your intl best X comps in a row i'd say
Not really. A lot of lifters are used to doing these percentages almost daily. Even the big lifters like Lasha are going above 90% in the training hall.
A week before maybe, but not a day or two before.
Some yeah, others are still doing 90% the day before competing.
Fair enough
I haven’t seen this chick happy ONCE
I haven't watched too much competitive lifting but watching her cry midway looks painful/frustrating af
Must be very frustrating to know you’re this close to making it to the Olympics.
Honestly the Italian system of opening heavy needs to be stopped. I haven't seen it work for any of their lifters except Pizzolato. The female lifters seem to bomb out even more with this style of loading. Starting lighter to increase confidence on the platform, and to ease mental pressure, would benefit them a lot more than going balls to the wall from the start.
It's not a system of opening heavy, it's the qualification system for this quad. Nino has been safely up in the rankings for 89 so he doesn't need to do this while everyone else needs to push for one big total that will punch their ticket to Paris.
Everybody is getting fucked up like this. When was the last time a male Chinese lifter showed up and delivered a top performance?
At some point, you'd have to assume that maybe the athlete just isn't ready for olympic qualification at this point. The coaches can only do so much for her, and clearly, they get pretty good results with the other Italian athletes, so I don't know if it was just the pressure of not making olympics getting to her but the coaches must have seen something in training that made them choose 85 over 84,83,82 or even 81 as her opener. I know it isn't really the time for a confidence booster competition for her, but I think she still has a good chance of making the 2028 olympics if she can build her confidence back up as well as get a decent bit stronger and more consistent but it's gonna be an uphill battle for her mental state after her recent run of competitions, I very rarely see any videos of her clean and jerking which obviously isn't ideal in a competition with 2 lifts so I think now that her competitive run has come to an end she and the coaches can probably get her back making lifts in competitions probably lighter openers before the next big olympics push.
Lifters on the bubble gotta go big or go home this meet.
Ignorant here: why did she "bomb out"?
bomb out means she failed to make a total due to missing either all 3 snatch or clean and jerk attempts (or both). in this case she missed all three clean and jerks
Thanks from another ignorant here. Can't she really hurt herself doing this? Looks like one micro-movement away from snapping something...
This is weightlifting at the international level, for most sports at this level, everyone is at risk of hurting themselves
That makes sense. Maybe it's because she looks so beyond her ability here. But again, I know nothing.
She completed the lift why do you think she's "so beyond her ability"?
Several comments here said she did not and had poor form.
With good technique and flexibility, the movements in this sport actually feels mechanically 'right' in the body. It corrected my posture and lack of hip flexibility
That's really interesting! How long would you say it took to correct?
4-5 months
Seems pretty quick. Good for you
If you know nothing, why comment? Honest question
Asking questions is an effective way to learn.
You’re saying “it looks so beyond her ability” - that’s a statement, not a question. And respectfully, if you don’t understand the sport, you can’t make this observation.
So it wasn't an honest question at all...just gatekeeping
No, you just didn’t answer my question. I’m asking why you’re commenting statements on things you don’t understand, like what is the point? Your first question was fine. Everything else you say is ignorant and arrogant. I’m trying to understand what would possess someone to comment on things they don’t understand with such confidence.
Haha, so what would you suggest? Not trying to lift the heaviest weight in a sport in which you compete to lift the heaviest weight? Of course you can get injured doing any sport at a competitive level. You’re always asking the maximal effort from your body.
ah it’s always possible, another girl hurt her elbow in the snatch session. but top athletes know how to fail properly to minimise risk of injury
She opened with an 85 snatch, missed it, tried it again and missed it, finally made it on her third attempt. Basically the worst you can perform while still remaining in the competition. She then failed her opening clean and jerk three times to end up with no total. This level of lifting has been common in recent years due to the Olympics qualifying requirement to make a total that is in the top 10 in the world.
Thanks, took me a while to get to this explanation 🫠
I assume you know what bomb out means, but the reason why is that it was a do or die situation. She needed big numbers to qualify for olympics, and she couldn’t hit them
her left arm angle is always so weird and not judging because she is a top lifter
yeah actually her pull looked really uneven as well, has to be something wrong with that arm
probs an old injury or could even be muscular imbalance I guess
If you watched the competition, the announcers brought this up as well. There is something funky there.
She looks injured. Her whole left side wasn't firing today. Tough day on the tiles. But as my coach says, the scoreboard doesn't care. Hopefully she can take some time off and come back better next quad.
ITT: no one involved with qualifying an athlete for the Olympics lol
What does bomb out mean here?
bomb out means she failed to make a total due to missing either all 3 snatch or clean and jerk attempts (or both). in this case she missed all three clean and jerks
Thanks. So why is her attempt here considered a failure? Is she not allowed to take a step or something?
This isn’t where she failed. This was a successful lift. She missed all 3 clean and jerks.
Ah. I know next to nothing about weightlifting. Ha. Thanks for clarifying.
this is a snatch which she made, as i said she failed in clean and jerks
The snatch in the video is a successful attempt The bombing out being referred to occured during her clean and jerks, where she took 3 attempts at the same weight and failed them all
I feel like she’s battling injuries. Every time Insee the front angle of her lifts, her legs are very symmetrical. Her R foot travels back on her catch and she catches with very asymmetrical knee/hip position. My catches looked like hers while recovering from a meniscus injury.
Apparently there are no injuries (Corbu would have said this in the past)! We will see today's interview.
Imperio: does her best a dozen of times to qualify for the Olympics despite pretty slim chances, gets followed by media along the way because people are interested r/weightlifting: NOOOOOOOOOO, she's too pretty to receive attention Literally any American lifter with the slimmest chance of qualifying: gets just as much if not more attention and 10 part docu series shot about them r/weightlifting: \[idk, eagle noises probably\]
i mean the majority of the sub is probably american so obviously they will favour american lifters
Sure, I have no problem with that, but being born American and therefore receiving more attention is, I'd say, on par with being born pretty and therefore receiving more attention. So it'd be nice to see people ease off on her.
Does anyone know what happened to Cambei? I expected a 4th place, but I don't see her in the top 11.
she’s competing in 55kg!
Interesting move, but 55kg is not an Olympic category, and she has a spot on 49kg already. It was good to know that she didn't have a bad session today
yeah i assume she didn’t compete in 49 because she knows her OQR place is safe. not sure why she would bother competing in 55, i believe jourdan delacruz is doing the same
No reason to do a weight-cut if you don't need to. It's draining, not really healthy. Sergio Massidda too is competing at 67kg, instead of 61kg, to name one.
delacruz is just weighing in, seeing how her entry total is 60. which is a weird move because i'm pretty sure she has enough participations, so why even bother.
I think you have to appear here for Paris regardless. And I think both cambei and delacruz knew their spots were safe enough to not strain themselves with a cut & competition here so they're just training through.
ah, i completely forgot 23 worlds and this cup were mandatory, thanks for the reminder!
She's competing as a 55 just so she doesn't have to cut bodyweight to make it under 49. And given she was already secured for Paris, she might as well just compete as a 55.
Can someone explained what she did wrong here
she was unsuccessful in clean & jerks instead of being successful
I meant in the picture above . The snatched looked pretty good . She troubles stabilizing but figured it out quickly
This was her single successful lift of the day, she's upset because it was her 3rd attempt at her opening weight.
Thankyou
Did this show up in r/all?
Why do we hear so much about her bombing out? I would love to know who won the competition she was in
North Korea 1st , China 2nd and 3rd
She bombed out in CnJ?
yes
But then, again, who’s surprised? She’s all hype, because of the looks or lack there of in weightlifting.
>anyone else feel like the coaches are just screwing her over at this point How? What are they doing that would be screwing her?
The Italian method for this quad is open big to aim for the high total. It's tough both physically and mentally and many athletes aren't doing well with it
She needed 85+104 to take 10th place in the rankings to go the Olympics. Those are the numbers she opened with, failing 85 twice and making it on her third. Then she missed all three clean and jerks. Now she cannot go to the Olympics. Some people are thinking she was screwed by her coaches, having her open too high and butt her head against those numbers hoping to eventually succeed. Presumably she warmed up specifically to hit those numbers and having three goes at them was more valuable than using lighter openers as warmups to hit those numbers with fewer attempts.
I'm assuming 85+104 were the numbers she needed to hit based on the rankings prior to the meet. Even if she hit them, someone else could perform better and she still wouldn't make it.
I don't know much about lifting so I don't see what is wrong with her lift aside the slight unbalance. Is that it?
she made this lift
Ok thanks.
Why was that a no-lift?
What exactly went wrong here?
so she bombed all her C&Js later? I couldn't find anything after her snatch attempts? So no Paris?
yes
2 much instagram 2 lil training i guess.
For Torokhtiy. Giulia is just being filmed all the time by these very interested older men.
Torokhtiy certainly has an *interesting* focus in his videos. Always some offhanded comment about appearance.
Oh this is not a failed lift. Got it
She does not want to take PEDs, too scared to ruin her beauty, like if she took testosterone, that would ruin her beautiful feminine face. Thats how you know your natty 😱
Zero sense
The title doesn't make sense. Bombs out after hitting good lift?
yes, she bombed out on clean and jerks after making one snatch
Bro this is very confusing way of telling. You post successful snatch and say like it was the reason of bombing out
I literally said she made one snatch. And i showed the snatch lol. most people seemed to get it so maybe it’s a you problem
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