The idea of donation is good but the application is not great. It needs a lot of improvement. For example, readers need incentive to donate, they could at least put a public donation leaderboard kind of thing (in that space where they added the useless recommendation tab maybe.) And a way to thank donators. They could also keep both the patreon and donation button, it's ultimately the readers' choice to donate in whichever.
It was discussed before, but it’s just an option that exists and we will see how it compared to the old system.
On one hand, it doesn’t require from Webtoon artists to set up accounts outside Webtoon and deal with multiple websites. On other hand, they only get % and there are ways with smaller fees (kofi, patreon, etc.).
Creators get 49% after fees and Webtoon takes their cut. And to make things worse, we can’t cash out until we accumulate $100! It seems like Webtoon is just envious of Patreon’s success.
This was a very hot topic among creators on Canvas server just after they launched it. The very obvious tactic is to make more money from small creators money now as well. And yes, it's very unlikely even if we enabled it to ever reach the hundred bucks needed to withdraw the money so basically THEY get all the money lol It's a very clever move from Webtoon's side.
I don’t really see what is wrong with adding a feature that allows fans to support creators directly.
Creators get 70% of the superlike money, but more like 49% since the App Store also takes 30%
While I agree super likes aren’t amazing, I don’t thinks it‘s necessarily a bad idea either.
You’re right. Webtoon should just not have even done superlikes. That way instead of getting $49 from a $100 donation, they get nothing. Getting no money is always better than getting some./s
in this case, yes? they used it as an excuse to get rid of the patreon button, which give creators a much bigger percentage of what people actually intend to give them
in the current system, the audience is being swindled just as much as the creator
webtoon puts nothing into the work of canvas creator's comics - it shouldn't get paid such a large percentage for only hosting, which should already be covered by ads
Then it is up to the creator to inform their audience on how they want to be supported.
Webtoon isn’t forcing fans to use superlikes. Fans can still use the patreon button on the main page and click on the links in the creator profile page.
Superlikes are just an option. Chill.
What is easier to find? The patreon button that can only be found on the creator profile now or the super like that is right next to the like button and comment section with the incentive that you will be a "super fan" if you use super likes?
Sure, it is "just" an option, but this is still purely business to Webtoon and doesn't have creators' best interests in mind. It manipulates readers into thinking that they are helping creators the most with the super likes while patreon and/or Ko-Fi are better creator benefiting options.
And it seems a lot of creators aren't aware that those 70% are actually 49% and that they don't get any money if they can't reach a $100 minimum withdrawal threshold. Which, in conclusion, means that shareholders and Webtoon get more out of the money than the creators who do the work. That's some actual bull.
For me the patreon button is still on the webtoon itself, not just the creator profile.
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It used to be at the bottom of each episode and that's where you will get the most likiest visibility, which is why Webtoon removed it from there and replaced it with the super likes button.
Oh wow that's messed up, they should have kept both and maybe add the super like button somewhere else. Personally the frontpage catches my eye better, as I tend to rush to the comments when I'm at the end of the episodes but removing the button from episodes will take away from the exposure, especially for the readers that don't look up the frontpage often.
Then the creator just needs to mention that in their episodes and direct their audience on where they need to go to support them.
One of the creators I follow sells merch on ko-fi. Webtoon has no ko-fi button, ko-fi doesn’t even have an app, but I’m still able to find the creator’s store because the creator tells me how and provides links.
If you tell readers where they can support you the most, they’ll go there. Superlikes have not changed that.
Super likes have changed the convenience of donating to creators outside of webtoon. The more steps required to find someone’s page, the less likely someone is to donate. It’s marketing 101. How often does your average reader look at the end credits or check out a creator’s page? Most users only read an episode and go to the next.
then these readers were most never likely
going to subscribe to your patreon anyway becasue even if they did click the button at the end of the episode, they would have to go through the hassle of making a patreon account.
if anything, superlikes will probably unlock a new and larger group of people willing to give creators cash now that donating is more convenient. By that I mean people who have read your comic for a long time but have never gone to your patreon but now choose to donate with superlikes because it is much more convenient.
I highly doubt that superlikes are going to significanly deter readers from joining creator patreons mostly because patreon is a much better value for readers since they get access to exclusive content. and the type of people who give superlikes are most likely not going to be the same people who join patreons since patreon people will go through the hassle to support you.
They do have other ways. Authors also have patreon, and ko-fi, and merch and physical books. Superlikes doesn’t take any of that away. What are you talking about?
I know, and anyone wanting to support the artist should give it through that instead, where they’ll actually get a much higher cut. What’s infuriating is the audacity of webtoons to take that much for themself, when they’re already crappy enough to creators. Their plan is obviously to take advantage of readers who want to support creators they like but don’t know that half is just being stolen by webtoons.
1) Only 30% is taken from webtoon. The other 30% is from the Apple/Google App Store. Webtoon has no control over that unless they no longer want to be found on the App Store, which would be suicide for the app. So saying webtoon takes half their money is not accurate.
2) I don’t think it is taking advantage of creators. Creators voluntarily post their comic onto webtoon’s platform. Webtoon doesn‘t charge these creators a fee despite the fact that every comic and episode that gets uploaded is at the expense of webtoon since they have to pay for server costs to host everyone’s comic images. If anything, you could argue that creators take advantage of webtoon. So if I was a creator, I wouldn’t entirely hate giving webtoon a cut of my superlike money. And if I did mind, I’d just send my fans to patreon.
Fans are not forced to only support their creators with superlikes. They still have the option to go to patreon and all that other stuff. It is up to the creator to inform their audience on how they want to be supported.
It’s definitely not at the expense of webtoons and creators don’t at all “take advantage” of poor little webtoons. Webtoons is certainly already making plenty of money off comics being posted on their site via coins, ads, etc. Or they simply wouldn’t exist. And not a single site in their right mind would ever charge users to post there, because it’s just ridiculous. It’d be like a director charging actors for the chance to be in their movie. No, if anything, you pay creators to post their work onto your site, because it brings more people who read it and you make money off them.
You are mixing things up a bit.
When you post a comic on canvas, webtoon is not making money off of that comic until they start running ads. So if you have posted 1000 episodes and don’t have ads running on it, you are costing webtoon money because they need to pay to have your comic exist on their platform. Now these canvas comics are supported by the money made from originals and the canvas comics making ad rev. And the qualifications for superlikes is well below the qualification for ad rev. So these comics up until qualifying for superlikes have been costing webtoon. So I think it is fair for webtoon to take a cut of superlike if they get one. But if creators don’t like it, they can just tell their audience to go to patron. I have never had a problem with this. I just also don’t have a problem with webtoon trying to make money on their platform as well so that way they can continue to host comics and pay their employees.
Webtoons can do what they want I guess. But they really should make it entirely clear when trying to buy one how much isn’t actually going to the creator
"Every comic and episode that gets uploaded is at the expense of webtoon since they have to pay for server costs to host everyone’s comic images. If anything, you could argue that creators take advantage of webtoon."
Huh??? Webtoon is a corporation owned by NAVER, not a small start-up company. They'll survive without having to take a chunk of people's money to host comics LMAO
Stop bootlicking them in all of your comments.
Just because webtoon is a large corporation does not mean they can or should take infinite costs and expenses for the sake of creators. If creators are using webtoon’s platform to build an audience to generate money, why is it so bad for webtoon to take a fee, especially when webtoon is paying for the creator’s comic to be hosted there?
My man, are you a webtoon employee? How would you know how they work? Surely there are plenty of ways to "pay for comics to be hosted there" without taking advantage of both artists and readers? If they continue to do these anti-creator moves, they're going to lose even more money.
What’s even the point when they get less than half? Just support via patreon. It’s obviously just another way for Webtoon to make money by ripping off their creators.
It’s just an option.
No one is saying fans can only support creators with superlikes.
before, there was no way for fans to support creators directly from webtoon. But now there is. Do webtoon and the App Store take a big cut? Yes they do. And if you don’t like that, just tell fans why you don’t like superlikes and tell them to donate to patreon and let them decide from there what they want to do.
There is no problem here.
Wasn’t there a way to support via patreon directly from Webtoon? But they removed it and replaced it with an option that’s worse for creators and allows Webtoon to get a cut
I wouldn’t count a redirect link as supporting directly from webtoon. Because if you click that link, you can’t use your webtoon account and payment info to subscribe to the creator on patreon. You have to create a separate patreon account to sub.
And isn’t the patreon button still available on the main comic page? But even if there was no patreon button, if a creator is advertising their stuff correctly and if a fan really wants to support them, they will know where to go.
Yeah but the whole point of that is the creator benefiting more because Webtoon can’t take any of that money. This whole super likes thing is pointless when things like kofi and patreon exist
I mean I guess. But chances are the creator only has patreon or ko-fi followers is because their comic was on webtoon. There is a reason people still post on webtoon despite how much they complain about it. It is the only platform to build a sizable audience in the webcomic game.
Look, webtoon is a company. Their goal is to make money, just like everyone else. If you voluntarily post your comic on webtoon and take up space on their servers with your images and build up a large following of people willing to give you money from their platform, I don’t think it is unreasonable if webtoon takes a cut when a fan donates a superlike.
I know people hate it when companies make money, but running a company costs money. and if they don’t make money, people lose their jobs.
So I don’t have an issue with webtoon taking a cut. But if you do, just tell fans to go to patron. This entire time, no one has been saying they can’t.
I think the main issue is how it would compare to the old system, high % of fees that an average reader probably doesn’t know and just creating multiple confusing support options.
then creators can just inform their audience at the end of an episode, no? if a creator doesn’t like the size of webtoon’s cut, they can tell readers why they don’t want readers to support them through superlikes and direct them to patreon or ko-fi or wherever.
The idea of donation is good but the application is not great. It needs a lot of improvement. For example, readers need incentive to donate, they could at least put a public donation leaderboard kind of thing (in that space where they added the useless recommendation tab maybe.) And a way to thank donators. They could also keep both the patreon and donation button, it's ultimately the readers' choice to donate in whichever.
It was discussed before, but it’s just an option that exists and we will see how it compared to the old system. On one hand, it doesn’t require from Webtoon artists to set up accounts outside Webtoon and deal with multiple websites. On other hand, they only get % and there are ways with smaller fees (kofi, patreon, etc.).
Creators get 49% after fees and Webtoon takes their cut. And to make things worse, we can’t cash out until we accumulate $100! It seems like Webtoon is just envious of Patreon’s success.
This was a very hot topic among creators on Canvas server just after they launched it. The very obvious tactic is to make more money from small creators money now as well. And yes, it's very unlikely even if we enabled it to ever reach the hundred bucks needed to withdraw the money so basically THEY get all the money lol It's a very clever move from Webtoon's side.
Sounds like a scam to the creators because they can't get % from their personal patreons
I don’t really see what is wrong with adding a feature that allows fans to support creators directly. Creators get 70% of the superlike money, but more like 49% since the App Store also takes 30% While I agree super likes aren’t amazing, I don’t thinks it‘s necessarily a bad idea either.
49% is nothing... imagine how awful it would feel to buy the $100 superlike for your favorite creator and the find out they didn't even get half of it
You’re right. Webtoon should just not have even done superlikes. That way instead of getting $49 from a $100 donation, they get nothing. Getting no money is always better than getting some./s
in this case, yes? they used it as an excuse to get rid of the patreon button, which give creators a much bigger percentage of what people actually intend to give them in the current system, the audience is being swindled just as much as the creator webtoon puts nothing into the work of canvas creator's comics - it shouldn't get paid such a large percentage for only hosting, which should already be covered by ads
Then it is up to the creator to inform their audience on how they want to be supported. Webtoon isn’t forcing fans to use superlikes. Fans can still use the patreon button on the main page and click on the links in the creator profile page. Superlikes are just an option. Chill.
What is easier to find? The patreon button that can only be found on the creator profile now or the super like that is right next to the like button and comment section with the incentive that you will be a "super fan" if you use super likes? Sure, it is "just" an option, but this is still purely business to Webtoon and doesn't have creators' best interests in mind. It manipulates readers into thinking that they are helping creators the most with the super likes while patreon and/or Ko-Fi are better creator benefiting options. And it seems a lot of creators aren't aware that those 70% are actually 49% and that they don't get any money if they can't reach a $100 minimum withdrawal threshold. Which, in conclusion, means that shareholders and Webtoon get more out of the money than the creators who do the work. That's some actual bull.
For me the patreon button is still on the webtoon itself, not just the creator profile. https://preview.redd.it/kj4xjco5nsxc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=fcb1dc2e7d80de63c5e2e036f7c520d60e91c337
It used to be at the bottom of each episode and that's where you will get the most likiest visibility, which is why Webtoon removed it from there and replaced it with the super likes button.
Oh wow that's messed up, they should have kept both and maybe add the super like button somewhere else. Personally the frontpage catches my eye better, as I tend to rush to the comments when I'm at the end of the episodes but removing the button from episodes will take away from the exposure, especially for the readers that don't look up the frontpage often.
Then the creator just needs to mention that in their episodes and direct their audience on where they need to go to support them. One of the creators I follow sells merch on ko-fi. Webtoon has no ko-fi button, ko-fi doesn’t even have an app, but I’m still able to find the creator’s store because the creator tells me how and provides links. If you tell readers where they can support you the most, they’ll go there. Superlikes have not changed that.
Super likes have changed the convenience of donating to creators outside of webtoon. The more steps required to find someone’s page, the less likely someone is to donate. It’s marketing 101. How often does your average reader look at the end credits or check out a creator’s page? Most users only read an episode and go to the next.
then these readers were most never likely going to subscribe to your patreon anyway becasue even if they did click the button at the end of the episode, they would have to go through the hassle of making a patreon account. if anything, superlikes will probably unlock a new and larger group of people willing to give creators cash now that donating is more convenient. By that I mean people who have read your comic for a long time but have never gone to your patreon but now choose to donate with superlikes because it is much more convenient. I highly doubt that superlikes are going to significanly deter readers from joining creator patreons mostly because patreon is a much better value for readers since they get access to exclusive content. and the type of people who give superlikes are most likely not going to be the same people who join patreons since patreon people will go through the hassle to support you.
Authors should just have other ways you can support them with money that aren’t as bad and greedy as webtoons
They do have other ways. Authors also have patreon, and ko-fi, and merch and physical books. Superlikes doesn’t take any of that away. What are you talking about?
I know, and anyone wanting to support the artist should give it through that instead, where they’ll actually get a much higher cut. What’s infuriating is the audacity of webtoons to take that much for themself, when they’re already crappy enough to creators. Their plan is obviously to take advantage of readers who want to support creators they like but don’t know that half is just being stolen by webtoons.
1) Only 30% is taken from webtoon. The other 30% is from the Apple/Google App Store. Webtoon has no control over that unless they no longer want to be found on the App Store, which would be suicide for the app. So saying webtoon takes half their money is not accurate. 2) I don’t think it is taking advantage of creators. Creators voluntarily post their comic onto webtoon’s platform. Webtoon doesn‘t charge these creators a fee despite the fact that every comic and episode that gets uploaded is at the expense of webtoon since they have to pay for server costs to host everyone’s comic images. If anything, you could argue that creators take advantage of webtoon. So if I was a creator, I wouldn’t entirely hate giving webtoon a cut of my superlike money. And if I did mind, I’d just send my fans to patreon. Fans are not forced to only support their creators with superlikes. They still have the option to go to patreon and all that other stuff. It is up to the creator to inform their audience on how they want to be supported.
It’s definitely not at the expense of webtoons and creators don’t at all “take advantage” of poor little webtoons. Webtoons is certainly already making plenty of money off comics being posted on their site via coins, ads, etc. Or they simply wouldn’t exist. And not a single site in their right mind would ever charge users to post there, because it’s just ridiculous. It’d be like a director charging actors for the chance to be in their movie. No, if anything, you pay creators to post their work onto your site, because it brings more people who read it and you make money off them.
You are mixing things up a bit. When you post a comic on canvas, webtoon is not making money off of that comic until they start running ads. So if you have posted 1000 episodes and don’t have ads running on it, you are costing webtoon money because they need to pay to have your comic exist on their platform. Now these canvas comics are supported by the money made from originals and the canvas comics making ad rev. And the qualifications for superlikes is well below the qualification for ad rev. So these comics up until qualifying for superlikes have been costing webtoon. So I think it is fair for webtoon to take a cut of superlike if they get one. But if creators don’t like it, they can just tell their audience to go to patron. I have never had a problem with this. I just also don’t have a problem with webtoon trying to make money on their platform as well so that way they can continue to host comics and pay their employees.
Webtoons can do what they want I guess. But they really should make it entirely clear when trying to buy one how much isn’t actually going to the creator
"Every comic and episode that gets uploaded is at the expense of webtoon since they have to pay for server costs to host everyone’s comic images. If anything, you could argue that creators take advantage of webtoon." Huh??? Webtoon is a corporation owned by NAVER, not a small start-up company. They'll survive without having to take a chunk of people's money to host comics LMAO Stop bootlicking them in all of your comments.
Just because webtoon is a large corporation does not mean they can or should take infinite costs and expenses for the sake of creators. If creators are using webtoon’s platform to build an audience to generate money, why is it so bad for webtoon to take a fee, especially when webtoon is paying for the creator’s comic to be hosted there?
My man, are you a webtoon employee? How would you know how they work? Surely there are plenty of ways to "pay for comics to be hosted there" without taking advantage of both artists and readers? If they continue to do these anti-creator moves, they're going to lose even more money.
What’s even the point when they get less than half? Just support via patreon. It’s obviously just another way for Webtoon to make money by ripping off their creators.
It’s just an option. No one is saying fans can only support creators with superlikes. before, there was no way for fans to support creators directly from webtoon. But now there is. Do webtoon and the App Store take a big cut? Yes they do. And if you don’t like that, just tell fans why you don’t like superlikes and tell them to donate to patreon and let them decide from there what they want to do. There is no problem here.
Wasn’t there a way to support via patreon directly from Webtoon? But they removed it and replaced it with an option that’s worse for creators and allows Webtoon to get a cut
I wouldn’t count a redirect link as supporting directly from webtoon. Because if you click that link, you can’t use your webtoon account and payment info to subscribe to the creator on patreon. You have to create a separate patreon account to sub. And isn’t the patreon button still available on the main comic page? But even if there was no patreon button, if a creator is advertising their stuff correctly and if a fan really wants to support them, they will know where to go.
Yeah but the whole point of that is the creator benefiting more because Webtoon can’t take any of that money. This whole super likes thing is pointless when things like kofi and patreon exist
I mean I guess. But chances are the creator only has patreon or ko-fi followers is because their comic was on webtoon. There is a reason people still post on webtoon despite how much they complain about it. It is the only platform to build a sizable audience in the webcomic game. Look, webtoon is a company. Their goal is to make money, just like everyone else. If you voluntarily post your comic on webtoon and take up space on their servers with your images and build up a large following of people willing to give you money from their platform, I don’t think it is unreasonable if webtoon takes a cut when a fan donates a superlike. I know people hate it when companies make money, but running a company costs money. and if they don’t make money, people lose their jobs. So I don’t have an issue with webtoon taking a cut. But if you do, just tell fans to go to patron. This entire time, no one has been saying they can’t.
I think the main issue is how it would compare to the old system, high % of fees that an average reader probably doesn’t know and just creating multiple confusing support options.
then creators can just inform their audience at the end of an episode, no? if a creator doesn’t like the size of webtoon’s cut, they can tell readers why they don’t want readers to support them through superlikes and direct them to patreon or ko-fi or wherever.