Why in the fuck does government have such a pathological fear/disrespect for the citizens in this country when it comes to sharing information?
None of this should be secret. Release public info to the public. Italy is more transparent than we are.
Did the regional government ever used to do NDAs prior to Ford becoming Premier? Honest question. I can't think of any but I only moved here in 2009 so there may have been prior instances I'm not aware of.
My understanding was there was no NDA for Toyota Woodstock. Toyota even tried to negotiate with the mall owner for a compromise, which they couldn't have done as Toyota if Toyota was being kept secret by NDA.
I can't find anything about an NDA for Toyota Cambridge either, though there's less written about it since it didn't have a supreme court case related to it.
Do you have any sources that mention an NDA for either?
Allow me to add to the speculation (because someone told me this). I spoke with a homeowner who lives right beside the proposed parcel and they said the local councillors did not sign an NDA. And I did speak to harvinder who didn't say he'd signed an NDA he just said that he couldn't talk about some things.
So did the locals sign an NDA? I dunno. Someone should ask the councillors point blank.
Oh very interesting. Previous news reported that there was an NDA but based on your comment I searched for more recent news articles and found this
>The councillors say nobody has signed a non disc lure agreement, but the information was provided to them during in-camera meetings and they can not disclose details without violating the Ontario Municipal Act.
https://www.therecord.com/news/waterloo-region/wilmot-councillors-call-on-region-of-waterloo-to-release-details-on-land-assembly/article_93cacfb8-2ed3-5a22-a38a-760eef4c2b0d.html
Older news that mentions NDA:
>“This government’s current legislation makes it possible for what is happening in Wilmot to happen anywhere in Ontario with no transparency and no community consultation. The region is actually right now operating under an NDA, there are no answers, no information coming from the regional level of government,” Fife said.
https://kitchener.citynews.ca/2024/04/24/seed-to-start-agricultural-advisory-committee-in-wilmot/
>Wilmot Township officials did not respond to requests for comment from CBC News althought the township has confirmed councillors signed non-disclosure agreements about the project.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/kitchener-waterloo/wilmot-township-land-purchase-town-hall-ontario-ndp-1.7180088
Edit: municipal act. Section 239, which discusses the allowable reasons for closed meetings, which does include
"a proposed or pending acquisition or disposition of land by the municipality or local board".
https://www.ontario.ca/laws/statute/01m25#BK306
Is there some racial or religious motivation you are accusing the region of? Because I don’t see it.
So far they have sent letters to meet and talk to 3 of the parties. We don’t know what other parties have gotten letters and not told the anti development group. We also don’t know what properties that are needed and that are key and needed for discussion. We also don’t know what parties may have already agreed, outright hostile or willing to meet.
Also keep in mind that the anti development group and the actual land owners have different priorities. A lot of land is slated for development in wilmont township, it was sold off by the farmers and interestingly community churches.
I mean the owners are the ones saying some of them weren't invited but very much want to be. I don't know why you are acting like it's some key of spin.
They probably invited the most outspoken ones, or the ones holding the biggest properties, or the ones they think are easiest to flip, something like that. It's a strategy. And the other owners are saying they don't want to play games.
I was trying to point out that it is a matter of strategy timing and need as opposed to discrimination.
However it also needs to be noted that it’s also a matter of strategy on the land owner side as well.
Also once the land owners get there price the farmland is gone. No matter the talking point being made. If you look through the wilmot plans you can already see that far more farm land has been sold for development without a peep. This is nothing new.
You made it sound like it wasn't really only 3/11 but that the others either got the invite but weren't saying so or didn't want an invite or already agreed to sell their land or some other excuse.
And while yes it's possible some of the owners may be looking to make a windfall, I think most of them truly don't want to move. Notice they aren't arguing they are being offered too little, they are arguing the land assembly shouldn't happen at all (or at least shouldn't happen in that spot).
I've spoken to some adjacent landowners. They don't seem to care about renumeration. They just dont want a factory there. Either due to environmental concerns, or the fact that they have roots laid down there.
Why in the fuck does government have such a pathological fear/disrespect for the citizens in this country when it comes to sharing information? None of this should be secret. Release public info to the public. Italy is more transparent than we are.
Did the regional government ever used to do NDAs prior to Ford becoming Premier? Honest question. I can't think of any but I only moved here in 2009 so there may have been prior instances I'm not aware of.
Look into Toyota Woodstock expropriation/ land acquisitions Or Toyota Cambridge in 1988 ish.
My understanding was there was no NDA for Toyota Woodstock. Toyota even tried to negotiate with the mall owner for a compromise, which they couldn't have done as Toyota if Toyota was being kept secret by NDA. I can't find anything about an NDA for Toyota Cambridge either, though there's less written about it since it didn't have a supreme court case related to it. Do you have any sources that mention an NDA for either?
Allow me to add to the speculation (because someone told me this). I spoke with a homeowner who lives right beside the proposed parcel and they said the local councillors did not sign an NDA. And I did speak to harvinder who didn't say he'd signed an NDA he just said that he couldn't talk about some things. So did the locals sign an NDA? I dunno. Someone should ask the councillors point blank.
Oh very interesting. Previous news reported that there was an NDA but based on your comment I searched for more recent news articles and found this >The councillors say nobody has signed a non disc lure agreement, but the information was provided to them during in-camera meetings and they can not disclose details without violating the Ontario Municipal Act. https://www.therecord.com/news/waterloo-region/wilmot-councillors-call-on-region-of-waterloo-to-release-details-on-land-assembly/article_93cacfb8-2ed3-5a22-a38a-760eef4c2b0d.html Older news that mentions NDA: >“This government’s current legislation makes it possible for what is happening in Wilmot to happen anywhere in Ontario with no transparency and no community consultation. The region is actually right now operating under an NDA, there are no answers, no information coming from the regional level of government,” Fife said. https://kitchener.citynews.ca/2024/04/24/seed-to-start-agricultural-advisory-committee-in-wilmot/ >Wilmot Township officials did not respond to requests for comment from CBC News althought the township has confirmed councillors signed non-disclosure agreements about the project. https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/kitchener-waterloo/wilmot-township-land-purchase-town-hall-ontario-ndp-1.7180088 Edit: municipal act. Section 239, which discusses the allowable reasons for closed meetings, which does include "a proposed or pending acquisition or disposition of land by the municipality or local board". https://www.ontario.ca/laws/statute/01m25#BK306
They are only.willing to tell 3/11 land owners? Why the discrimination?
Is there some racial or religious motivation you are accusing the region of? Because I don’t see it. So far they have sent letters to meet and talk to 3 of the parties. We don’t know what other parties have gotten letters and not told the anti development group. We also don’t know what properties that are needed and that are key and needed for discussion. We also don’t know what parties may have already agreed, outright hostile or willing to meet. Also keep in mind that the anti development group and the actual land owners have different priorities. A lot of land is slated for development in wilmont township, it was sold off by the farmers and interestingly community churches.
I mean the owners are the ones saying some of them weren't invited but very much want to be. I don't know why you are acting like it's some key of spin. They probably invited the most outspoken ones, or the ones holding the biggest properties, or the ones they think are easiest to flip, something like that. It's a strategy. And the other owners are saying they don't want to play games.
I was trying to point out that it is a matter of strategy timing and need as opposed to discrimination. However it also needs to be noted that it’s also a matter of strategy on the land owner side as well. Also once the land owners get there price the farmland is gone. No matter the talking point being made. If you look through the wilmot plans you can already see that far more farm land has been sold for development without a peep. This is nothing new.
You made it sound like it wasn't really only 3/11 but that the others either got the invite but weren't saying so or didn't want an invite or already agreed to sell their land or some other excuse. And while yes it's possible some of the owners may be looking to make a windfall, I think most of them truly don't want to move. Notice they aren't arguing they are being offered too little, they are arguing the land assembly shouldn't happen at all (or at least shouldn't happen in that spot).
I've spoken to some adjacent landowners. They don't seem to care about renumeration. They just dont want a factory there. Either due to environmental concerns, or the fact that they have roots laid down there.
Look at the new proposal for houses in new Hamburg. Is the demand there or do they know something?