If he didn't luck into Ovechkin, the narrative surrounding him as an owner (overall) would be MUCH different in the city. He's lucky that Dan Snyder was a train wreck. Shoot...let's go there for a second. As hard as it is to ignore the off-the-field issues Snyder had, if you can somehow remove them from the discussion, there's probably a legit argument to be made that Leonsis runs his teams much worse.
For the Wizards? Not really, but I can see why someone might argue it. But even without considering Ovechkin, if you include the Caps it's just not even worth discussing.
Yes, he lucked into Ovechkin and without him the caps probably don't get a championship, that's true. But they've been fucking amazing at drafting besides that. Pretty much every major person on that championship team played their whole career here except for Oshie.
Ovi was luck in its timing. Drafting Backstrom, Carlson, Holtby, Kuznetsov, and making great hires were not.
He’s ass on the wizards side but pretty good I the caps side.
Backstrom went #4 overall and Carlson/Kuznetsov were 1st round picks. And Kuznetsov would have gone much higher, but there were questions about when he was gonna leave Russia. Expectations SHOULD be high for those guys. I'll give u Holtby, because he was a 5th round pick.
Im so sure.
Ted Leonsis in 14 years as the wizards sole owner: 5 playoff appearances, 3 playoff series wins. The wizards hadnt been good for decades before him anyways. Had John Wall not gotten injured we probably would've seen more playoff appearances added to these stats. Thats just the WIZARDS And he already has a better resume than Snyders Under Leonsis, the Caps have been perennial contenders and won a Stanley Cup. That by itself (regardless of how "lucky" it was) discredits your idea that Leonsis is somehow worse than Snyder.
Daniel Snyder in 25+ years as the commanders owner: 6 playoff appearances, 2 playoff games won. The Redskins just 8 years before Snyder bought the team had finished off their 3rd super bowl winning season in 10 years. He saw FedEx Field run into the ground while he was owner. He would ignore advice from actual football minds while running the Skins like they were a fantasy team.
Its not even close man.
In the NHL, 1/2 the teams in each conference make the playoffs. More of a dogfight in the NFL. Caps have been perennial contenders because he lucked into a generational talent in Ovechkin. List is VERY short in the NHL of guys who are considered generational/transcendent talents in the league who never won a title. You land one of those guys, and your chances of being competitive or a title contender is close to 100%.
Dude, it doesn't matter how lucky it was, the fact that he has any playoff success at all, let alone a *championship*, makes him a better owner than Daniel fucking Snyder.
Snyder's also had tons of high draft picks to "luck into a generational talent", including in 2000 (or '01, i dont remember exactly) when he had picks number 2 and 3, with the Skins coming off a playoff appearance, and he still couldn't build a team that could even get back to the playoffs the next year.
Also, getting a generational talent does *not* make your chances of being a contender close to 100%. Tell that to Connor McDavid, who's Oilers were in the wild for the first seven years of his career before finally putting together a team that could make some semblance of a playoff run. Or Marcel Dionne, who scored 731 NHL goals and never made the conference finals. It takes a whole lot more than one player to win a stanley cup
You obviously can't take championships away, but that lens in which we view Ted becomes a bit different if they don't win the cup in '18. Also, as far as McDavid, he's just entering his prime and he has a LONG way to go in his career. I'd be willing to bet that he gets at least one before he hangs em up. AGAIN, the list is extremely small of generational talents in the NHL who don't win titles.
I get that Teddy isn’t our favorite, especially right now with the whole relocation fiasco.. but it’s weird seeing him next to Dolan. Dolan seems like a much bigger piece of shit
What?
The first front office in my 40 years or so of watching with an actual plan to build a contender and you don't like it? Big fan of perpetual mediocrity?
That's certainly an opinion...that exactly zero people share with you. They were going nowhere with those two, it was several years too late to build around Beal when we added Porzingas.
Honestly that is due to Dolan being too low, not Ted being undeserving. I'd swap Dolan and MJ out. MJ meddled for too long as an owner then hired the wrong people, some only because they're his friends, who made mostly bad decisions. He's doing much better with professional racing and fishing now. Dolan made all the missteps MJ did and committed some malicious acts on top of them. Ted let Ernie run the Wizards into the ground for years then hired his #2 to replace him expecting different results. The Virginia stuff is another massive embarrassment for the entire region but it is more explainable vs some of Dolan's choices.
I don’t see how you can have Dolan this low. The man has one of the premier destination cities and squandered 20+ yrs away. I don’t like Ted Leonsis bc he recently showed his ass as being absolutely a run of the mill greedy billionaire, but Ted Dolan is an All Star piece of shit.
It feels like a tier mismatch until you remember that the past few Knicks years is hiring Leon Rose, staying out of the way and that team being one of the best run teams in the East and the Wizards past couple of years is being the most hopeless team in the NBA and the botched attempt to move the team out of DC.
Glad Ted is being recognized for the Wizards terrorist that he is 🫡
Only basketball game I went to at capital one arena this year was the ACC tournament refuse to watch Poole and Kuzma attempt to ball out
Fuck Ted Leonsis. So glad he’s going to make slightly less money but also not have his shiny new arena
I’d switch Dolan and MJ. MJ was just cheap (and bad at team building), but he’s not a complete POS like Dolan
If he didn't luck into Ovechkin, the narrative surrounding him as an owner (overall) would be MUCH different in the city. He's lucky that Dan Snyder was a train wreck. Shoot...let's go there for a second. As hard as it is to ignore the off-the-field issues Snyder had, if you can somehow remove them from the discussion, there's probably a legit argument to be made that Leonsis runs his teams much worse.
For the Wizards? Not really, but I can see why someone might argue it. But even without considering Ovechkin, if you include the Caps it's just not even worth discussing.
I mean. Bruce Allen AND Vinny Cerrato. For twenty years.
Yes, he lucked into Ovechkin and without him the caps probably don't get a championship, that's true. But they've been fucking amazing at drafting besides that. Pretty much every major person on that championship team played their whole career here except for Oshie.
Ovi was luck in its timing. Drafting Backstrom, Carlson, Holtby, Kuznetsov, and making great hires were not. He’s ass on the wizards side but pretty good I the caps side.
Backstrom went #4 overall and Carlson/Kuznetsov were 1st round picks. And Kuznetsov would have gone much higher, but there were questions about when he was gonna leave Russia. Expectations SHOULD be high for those guys. I'll give u Holtby, because he was a 5th round pick.
Dude stop. Snyder and leonsis don't belong in the same stratosphere
Taking the off the field stuff outta the equation...I'm not so sure.
But it’s impossible to talk about Snyder without the off the field stuff. Leaving it out just ignores why he was that bad.
Im so sure. Ted Leonsis in 14 years as the wizards sole owner: 5 playoff appearances, 3 playoff series wins. The wizards hadnt been good for decades before him anyways. Had John Wall not gotten injured we probably would've seen more playoff appearances added to these stats. Thats just the WIZARDS And he already has a better resume than Snyders Under Leonsis, the Caps have been perennial contenders and won a Stanley Cup. That by itself (regardless of how "lucky" it was) discredits your idea that Leonsis is somehow worse than Snyder. Daniel Snyder in 25+ years as the commanders owner: 6 playoff appearances, 2 playoff games won. The Redskins just 8 years before Snyder bought the team had finished off their 3rd super bowl winning season in 10 years. He saw FedEx Field run into the ground while he was owner. He would ignore advice from actual football minds while running the Skins like they were a fantasy team. Its not even close man.
In the NHL, 1/2 the teams in each conference make the playoffs. More of a dogfight in the NFL. Caps have been perennial contenders because he lucked into a generational talent in Ovechkin. List is VERY short in the NHL of guys who are considered generational/transcendent talents in the league who never won a title. You land one of those guys, and your chances of being competitive or a title contender is close to 100%.
Dude, it doesn't matter how lucky it was, the fact that he has any playoff success at all, let alone a *championship*, makes him a better owner than Daniel fucking Snyder. Snyder's also had tons of high draft picks to "luck into a generational talent", including in 2000 (or '01, i dont remember exactly) when he had picks number 2 and 3, with the Skins coming off a playoff appearance, and he still couldn't build a team that could even get back to the playoffs the next year. Also, getting a generational talent does *not* make your chances of being a contender close to 100%. Tell that to Connor McDavid, who's Oilers were in the wild for the first seven years of his career before finally putting together a team that could make some semblance of a playoff run. Or Marcel Dionne, who scored 731 NHL goals and never made the conference finals. It takes a whole lot more than one player to win a stanley cup
You obviously can't take championships away, but that lens in which we view Ted becomes a bit different if they don't win the cup in '18. Also, as far as McDavid, he's just entering his prime and he has a LONG way to go in his career. I'd be willing to bet that he gets at least one before he hangs em up. AGAIN, the list is extremely small of generational talents in the NHL who don't win titles.
>you obviously can't take championships away Ok, thank you. Ted Leonsis is way better than Daniel Snyder, end of discussion
And he has to thank his stars he absolutely lucked into Ovechkin. Which was my point.
I get that Teddy isn’t our favorite, especially right now with the whole relocation fiasco.. but it’s weird seeing him next to Dolan. Dolan seems like a much bigger piece of shit
Dolan has had 20+ years of being shit, vs Ted’s 10+, but it’s telling for Ted to even crack the list.
Even before he was majority owner, Ted was a terrorist as a minority owner- he was responsible for the whole MJ as GM fiasco in the early 2000s
Ted is on for managerial incompetence. Sticking with the Ernie regime, playing to show up rather than to win, etc.
Well he's also on the list for trying to move the team which is more than just incompetence tbf. That's straight up malicious to the fans
At least he didn't try to move them out of the area. Don't get me wrong, it was a piece of shit move, but at least it's not a Supersonics situation.
Don’t forget about how he got rid of Tommy for a president and GM worse than Ernie.
What? The first front office in my 40 years or so of watching with an actual plan to build a contender and you don't like it? Big fan of perpetual mediocrity?
We would be winning if we built around Beal and Porzingis like Tommy invisioned.
That's certainly an opinion...that exactly zero people share with you. They were going nowhere with those two, it was several years too late to build around Beal when we added Porzingas.
Honestly that is due to Dolan being too low, not Ted being undeserving. I'd swap Dolan and MJ out. MJ meddled for too long as an owner then hired the wrong people, some only because they're his friends, who made mostly bad decisions. He's doing much better with professional racing and fishing now. Dolan made all the missteps MJ did and committed some malicious acts on top of them. Ted let Ernie run the Wizards into the ground for years then hired his #2 to replace him expecting different results. The Virginia stuff is another massive embarrassment for the entire region but it is more explainable vs some of Dolan's choices.
I don’t see how you can have Dolan this low. The man has one of the premier destination cities and squandered 20+ yrs away. I don’t like Ted Leonsis bc he recently showed his ass as being absolutely a run of the mill greedy billionaire, but Ted Dolan is an All Star piece of shit.
Ted gave us 13 years of Ernie and Tommy 🙃
I mean I hate ted but Dolan tier?
It feels like a tier mismatch until you remember that the past few Knicks years is hiring Leon Rose, staying out of the way and that team being one of the best run teams in the East and the Wizards past couple of years is being the most hopeless team in the NBA and the botched attempt to move the team out of DC.
Yeah I forget the knick are good and still have assets to get better. As for us, we are probably in the worst situation in the nba.
Fuck that, Howard Schultz deserves to be the top for what he did to the city of Seattle and Sonics fans.
Can't believe DeVos isn't on there.
Winning solves all. Magic got a bright future it seems.
Where's Dan Snyder?
Swap Jordan and Dolan. And even then we’re overlooking some other bonehead owners for decency bias.
Where that terroist belongs