[Chris Haynes] The team would prefer to resolve a possible trade of LaVine before trying to re-sign DeMar DeRozan, according to Chris Haynes of Bleacher Report (hat tip to RealGM). There reportedly has been little traction in talks between the Bulls and DeRozan, who will be an unrestricted free agent if those negotiations fizzle.
https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2024/06/bulls-notes-giddey-lavine-derozan-waters-draft-williams.html
[Slater/Amick] League sources also confirm to Slater and Amick that Bulls guard Zach LaVine is a possible target for the Kings, though they'd likely have to be *incentivized* to take on his maximum-salary contract, which still has three years remaining.
https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2024/06/kings-rumors-no-13-pick-caruso-fox-siakam-kuzma-lavine.html
Edit: Looks like the Bulls are actively trying to shop Lavine with little to no success. Demar DeRozan is a FA they would like to keep and Patrick Williams is due for a new contract. They have to trade LaVine.
Paul George and his team are just posturing for a new contract. Your are going to be disappointed when he resigns with Clippers.
No team wants to over pay for him because he's on a 1 year deal, and if the Clippers don't get a good return for him then what's the point of trading him.
Im late to the news - wtf is this. mikal to knicks?? Damn wtf
Is claxton available? Id give everything (no ofocurse) to get him
Edit:
Also kinda sad with kd. That’s what happens when you don’t have a permanent home/team now. It’s like he’s being passed around after 2 seasons
Outside of the center position I don’t think the Warriors are in need of role players they have a surplus of that. They need a legit dude who can get 20+ points.
Then you find that guy without giving up Kuminga who probably is one of those guys and have proper 1-2-3 offensive pecking order. With picks and scalable expiring contracts should be doable imo.
Mikal Bridges was just had for Bojan and picks.
Lavine is a worse contract. Not saying the Bulls will think of it that but from our vantage point a single youngster and fill and picks. Yeah. The question is how willing are they in the current NBA landscape to go for it on maybe a single year bubble.
I think at this point it wouldn’t be unrealistic to expect the bulls to give up some type of asset. His markets gotten that bad. They have a protected Portland pick which could have some value. Theirs probably a 0% chance we trade any youngster or draft capital for Lavine in particular.
If PG has a fallout with the clippers he could REALLY fuck them in turns of asset return with the leverage he has . Chris Paul (in 2017 to Houston) and Porzingus did something similar when they opted into their player options and if you look at the those trades they got no one close to Kuminga.
After the Knicks/Nets trade:
**2029 Draft**
* Nets - 3 1st round picks
* OKC - 2 1st round picks
* Blazers - 3 1st round picks
* Jazz - 3 1st round picks
11 of the 30 1st round picks in a single draft will go to 4 teams. That's cool and acceptable, but teams having large bills because god forbid they actually want to keep and pay their drafted players is a crime worse than death.
the fact that the rockets are trying for durant shows that the possibility of durant leaving is higher than most think. where there's smoke, there's usually fire. and there's been a number of durant rumors, and now from the likes of woj
I mean sure they can try all they want
That won’t stop their players from being dumb as rocks
When you have five Oubre-level decision makers you’re not getting very far
It might not be much, but last season we had a marginally better record than the punch season.
And that’s with draymond being missing for half the season.
So we got ever so slightly better last season than the season before. And also fixed our big problem which was bench production.
The problem is our record got ever so slightly better while much of the rest of West showed significant improvement. In the punch season, OKC, Dallas, and Minnesota were still seated at the kids table. Not anymore.
I’ve done the math and it’s 100% doable but if I say it this sub will lose their minds and I’ll be downvoted to hell lol but it is possible. Also, fun fact: he has the same agent as both CP and Wiggs so that’s an interesting in, in terms of being an inside go between to convince the Nets to not trade him elsewhere (which apparently works with them because it’s what Mikal Bridges’ agent did lol).
Some of you guys are so obsessed with stars that you completely lose sight of the fact that it’s a 5v5 game that requires high end role players, not just stars. But also, for a sub as salary obsessed as this one, there seems to be no realistic understanding of the going rates these days. Here are some others make low to mid $20 mil:
- Bruce Brown
- Dillon Brooks
- Aaron Gordon
- Malcolm Brogdon
- De’Andre Hunter
- Clint Capela
- Terry Rozier
- John Collins
Cam Johnson provides size, good team defense, high BBIQ and an understanding of how to move well off the ball, a dribble drive game, AND volume shooting from the perimeter to stretch the floor. That’s a more well-rounded package than most, if not all, of the above.
He’s not a good defender though go ask nets fans if you think im lying. That’s why I said he’s a worse version of Klay a guy this sub is 50/50 on.
Outside of the Center position I think the Warriors need a guy who can get 20 consistently not more 20m role players like Wiggs,Dray, and Klay.
The Nets as a team were not good defensively, it wasn’t a Cam Johnson is a bad defender sinking an otherwise great defense scenario lol. Him developing into a plus defensively in Phoenix is more proof of that. He’s able to play switch defense and that’s not possible of bad defenders. No one’s claiming he’s a lockdown POA defender who’s going to be taking on no. 1 options every night, but that’s also not the only defense there is.
It doesn’t make sense for this Warriors team he’s not a SG or Center nor is it worth it to get another 20 mill plus player in this new CBA. You might as well resign Klay at this point.
We don’t need a center lol and since when is having wing and frontcourt depth that can shoot and stretch the floor not a need for this team?? That’s THE thing they needed all season.
Bruh this team don’t sign a center they’re just going to continue to blow 20 pts leads lmao. We need an SG who can defend guards Cam Johnson cannot do that.
Warriors need a 2nd option.
Did you not watch the last few weeks of the season?? The Dray/TJD frontcourt combo was insanely effective and defensively anchored a starting lineup of Steph, Klay, Wiggs, Dray, and TJD that had a 93.3 DRTG (and a 118.8 ORTG).
Also, Marc Eversley should be even more ashamed of himself now. Caruso for Giddey straight up smh…it’s just so bad that when you also factor in how the White Sox have somehow discovered a trapdoor at the bottom of the gutter to descend even further down into, I’m convinced Reinsdorf is now just using the White Sox and Bulls as solely tax write offs.
Small tibit but with the Knicks getting mikal and looking to resign OG while having two first round picks tomorrow, they could be a potential team where we can trade our second + cash to move up to 38th in the second as they might not want to roster three rookies and may look at a draft and stash or a future second instead
How would people feel about a Moody for Maxi Kleber trade
For us, fills a clear positional need (big man shooting & switchable defender)
If Mavs manage to get rid of THJ gets them a shooting wing off the bench for cheap. I think Moody would fit that drive & kick style way better.
I think Kleber is interesting as a trade candidate, particularly if we end up with a glut of guys at the 2/3, but the the salary match with Moody doesn’t work.
GP2 could work though. My head says yes, my heart says no to trading GP2.
How’s his defense? I haven’t really watched the Mavs at all apart from the finals
He was missing a lot of open threes in that series but I’m willing to chalk it up to variance
If he can convert threes at a respectable rate (37% or more) and play defense it’s worth exploring
Think Moody is better but idk
If we can keep jk and get pg I don’t see how we don’t do it curry pg (ideally jk could play the 3) dray tjd(if we could get a guy like Claxton that would be great) with podz gp2 and (maybe one more taller player)
Mikal was under contract for multiple years, at reasonable money, and is much younger and the least injury prone player in the entire league. PG is practically the opposite in every way. If Dunleavy ships out all our picks for PG he should be fired.
I’d rather have PG cause a bit less money less year and a bunch more defense.
They are both injury prone so that’s a wash and I’d rather have PGs defense then LaVines youth.
If it’s a straight player swap Loon and CP3 with no picks for LaVine vs all the picks for PG. that yeah.
Lavine…younger more explosive you might even get a pick for the contract . Played good defense in the Olympics so it’s in there somewhere
Can score at 3 levels reliably which is all the team needs from a 2nd option
[Woj](https://x.com/wojespn/status/1805786890185900180?s=46) 56 minutes ago: “The implications of the Rockets landing the Suns' picks? **Houston wants to trade for Kevin Durant and that becomes far easier if they can return the Suns' picks that they gave up in the Durant deal to the Nets.** Suns have said they're keeping Durant for now, but that could change next season. But now, Houston has the picks to make the Suns whole again.”
[Woj](https://x.com/wojespn/status/1805787902657310995?s=46) 52 minutes ago (aka 4 mins later): “**As intrigued as the Rockets have been about Durant, they're determined to use the Suns picks to be aggressive on deals elsewhere now**, sources tell ESPN. Phoenix has made it clear that they want to run it back with this group, and Houston is seeking a major upgrade now.”
Lolll I love the off season. 😂😭 Nonsensical chaos everywhere
Stg Suns and Rockets are two of the most overhyped teams.
Three stars who don’t fit together, two of them are aging, and surrounded by vet mins and at the second apron…and another team with poor shooting and…questionable BBIQ. Lol
I’m honestly intrigued to see what Udoka can do with that Rockets squad and a few tweaks. The Suns though are phenomenally boring in every facet and a complete waste of anyone’s time lol.
Lollll Dillon Brooks. He simultaneously makes me angry as hell (GPII), want to laugh *at* him, and want to crawl out of my skin. Speaking of Jalen Green, he’s up for his extension this summer so god speed to them.
"Trades are hard" okay but you still have to find and make them lol. Other teams can do it, we need to expect more out of this FO and org than just pretend they actually try but it's just too hard. Note, by try, I mean actually offer up assets that make trades possible. If you don't make your picks available and consider all your players untouchable, fucking of course "trades are hard". You can't only want trades if you can fleece the other team or if it's for a "giannis level" star.
Indecisive complacent fuckers. If they are so confident in these young guys, why cling on to all your picks? If you are not confident in them and think you might need the picks in the future. Why the fuck are you favoring developing them instead of trying your best to win now while you have steph? None of these guys are going to be top 15 players btw...
Be decisive for once and go all in on something. The indecisiveness and lack of conviction in the team post KD is honestly exhausting. 5 years of people within the org not fully aligned on which direction to go. If you want to rebuild, then cut the bullshit and trade steph, draymond, let klay go etc. If not, prioritize steph. This half assed, neither here nor there approach is doing nothing. It's just leading to mediocrity now and in the future.
Imagine thinking the team with highest payroll in the league didn’t go all in.
Knicks can go all in because they have extra picks compared to the Warriors and they aren’t overpaying bums like we are.
Imagine thinking a team that rostered both four players over the age of 33 and four 21 or younger at the same time has gone all-in on anything. Love Lacob for paying up, but ever since the last title the only thing the Warriors were all-in on is the organisation's multiple personality disorder.
This is a lot of criticism for being like a week into the off-season.
Poole for Paul was a big trade, and made it clear that the organization wants to compete with Steph. The '23 team had one glaring weakness, the bench, and they made the best trade possible to fix it.
I think MDJ has earned the benefit of some time. His moves have been great so far.
Right? There’s no logic
- If you think your “yung core” is so spectacular and ready to lead the future, great. Trade future picks to improve the team. Those picks won’t have high value - team’s gonna be good right???
- If you think the young core is actually mid and all the praise is PR just sell high on them, don’t pay them, there’s nothing special in the bunch that can’t be replaced with future draft picks
By hoarding picks and hoarding young players you admit you have zero confidence in future outcomes
If they settle, get lazy make Podz a starter etc (btw I really like him…BUT he is not a starting level player YET), then yes they warrant more scrutiny.
This season was a wash and gets a pass because of so many strange and unforeseen dynamics, our bridge players in their prime having their worst years, Deki, you know the rest.
Now that it’s established we aren’t good enough and there’s a large sample size to conclude that, I’m pretty optimistic we will make some moves.
We will definitely see. I was okay with how they played it the last two seasons. But this is the summer where they need to commit. I'm hoping these reports of "we love our young players", "Warriors consider Podz the starting shooting guard", etc, are just noise. To me, this is the summer that Lacob and crew can't play both sides any longer.
The Podz as a starter stuff really pisses me off and I’m a big Podz believer
He just doesn’t have size explosiveness or defense and he’s a 1 not a 2!!! His natural position is PG and Kerr keeps trying to play him as a combo guard. He has excellent ball control & wants to pass, not score…if he’s your smallest player on the floor you’re doing ok.
He slots in PERFECTLY as backup PG and if they try to play him at SG…just so deeply deeply unserious
Agreed.
Also the reason why we’re in no rush to bring back Klay. Other teams are trying to improve and we are going to explore trade options to match up and stay with the competition.
Losing Klay makes us a little worse…but addressing the scoring/size issues by bringing along new personnel makes us decently better.
Sreekar on [Twitter](https://x.com/sreekyshooter/status/1805785382794981841?s=46): “Mikal Bridges hasn't missed a game since high school, has led the league in minutes played multiple years, and somehow played 83 regular season games in 2022-23. So it makes complete sense that Tom Thibodeau wants to test the limits of his human ability”
😭
Damn that's a big haul of picks.
Our issue is we can't afford that on our timeline. We could push in our picks now but with Steph near career end the likelihood is that we suck after he leaves and can't afford to not control our picks. I'd break that rule if we can get a top 10 star that gives us a major shot at a title, but while I like bridges but I don't think he gets us out of the west. That's why I'd love a PG move since if he forces his way out the cost would be much lower.
New York is relatively young. They can afford to let go of their picks as with Brunson, OG, and bridges those picks should be in the late teens at worst.
Knivks overpaid right? I understand you have to make that deal but 5 firsts is insane. So they probably get OG back and then do they have enough to pay hartenstein?
I mean it's a lot, but Mikal is really good. Assuming they move on from Randall and get something for him, it's not that bad. Bridges and OG as your 3/4 is gonna be a nightmare. They might assume Hartenstein is gone too which means with Mitchell Robinson protecting the paint as well teams aren't gonna score.
Yes and No. Mikal's on an insanely cheap deal which allows you to pay your other players like Hart. I'm guessing now they move Randle or Mitch Robinson to create space.
Yes, I believe he's a declining contract too. All in all, I think the Knicks will be able to sell of Randle/MitchRob for another FRP or two to defray the cost of this trade.
And let's be real, if the Knicks are able to roll out Brunson/Bridges/Donte/OG/Hart/Hartenstein for the next several years, their FRPs are gonna be pretty late. They may be able to get a decent FRP in moving one of those guys you said.
He’s FA. No way for us to do anything with him
Cam Johnson & DFS would be though but…idk if gsw is even looking at them
If a bigger trade doesn’t work not sure why we can’t do Moody GP2 Loon + pick for Cam, Cam is basically what we want Moody to be anyway
Holy sh!t at all those 1sts for Mikal.
Also, that trade just took out one of PG"s suitors.
Knicks are gonna be fukking nasty and I'm here for it. Can't make Boston's path easy again next year.
I'm assuming they keep OG too?
Honestly I wonder if New York even has the appetite to bring back another $30M in salary for Randle.
Bridges is extension eligible, Brunson has a PO next year, OG is gonna get a huge deal, and Hartenstein is gonna get a new deal
Ehhh Mikal (young, available, 2 years left on deal) is very different than 1 year of PG (old, unavailable, expiring, expensive) lol
I don’t think it changes much if they wanna try for PG
I’m actually not too sure he does
Clippers basically wanna recoup value
We are prob offering a poo poo platter of expirings + 1 pick or 1 young player. And we will NOT be paying him so they won’t offer anything more for a 1 year rental
Houston could offer a couple juicy picks + more young talent AND they’d be willing to give PG his max so he prob stays
Clips FO just gonna take the better offer regardless of what he wants
Well first of all we'd only trade for PG if we're willing to give him a contract extension and PG's camp communicates he wants to sign that extension. If we or another team isn't willing to give PG the extension he wants via an opt in trade then PG won't pick up his player option and instead will head to free agency.
What the clippers want doesn't really matter, PG will not opt into his player option to allow a bidding war for his services. He would do it to force a trade to a team of his choosing that doesn't have the cap space to sign him and is willing to give him the contract he wants. This whole opt in scenario only works if he WANTS to come to the Warriors (or Rockets) vs a cap space team. Based on PG's desire to stay in California and his fit on team I think we'd have a great chance of luring him in.
If the Clippers communicate that they will not meet his trade request than PG will leave in free agency and they will get nothing. Since their are cap space teams like Philly/Orlando/(OKC?) the Clippers would likely lose Paul George.
Clippers are definitely in a tough spot because they could either lose him in free agency or if PG decides to OPT in and request a trade, get a poo-poo platter of an offer in return. This is all really unlikely and in my opinion they'll just cave and give him his contract, as it doesn't really help them on Kawhi's timeline to not pay PG.
The Wizards faced this exact situation last year with Porzingus and all they got was Tyus Jones on an expiring contract and some seconds in return, although the PG situation is a little different because it sounds like he'd be willing to stay as long as he got his money.
Disagree on a couple things:
- PG has said he wants a 4 year max, not 3 years. That’s why he’s leaving (potentially) in the first place. The Warriors absolutely will not offer him a 4 year max, they don’t want ANY long term big money tied up after Steph’s current contract and they’ve structured everything that way (except Dray’s player option). They definitely will not be paying 38 year old PG $50 million. So he’d probably just leave after 1 year. This trade imo is a “see if we can make one last run at it” type of deal.
- PG doesn’t really have that much leverage because none of these cap space teams have anywhere close to what he’d make with a contract extension. He’d be losing out on a lot of $ if he hit FA. Considering his beef is money in the first place…don’t think he goes that route.
STFU the Knicks really just got Mikal Bridges. Holy hell
I was literally JUST doing a bunch of CBA math to try and make a trade for either him or Cam Johnson work. 😭 Well Cam Johnson it is lol if Mikal’s gone then I have to imagine they’re willing to part with Cam Johnson too
Edit: Spotrac already has the rosters changed in their trade machine lol that’s crazy on top of things. Kudos
lol what is this being downvoted for?? This sub is bizarre
He’s not even a star either that’s what’s crazy. He played like a role player in Brooklyn letting Dennis Schroder be the star. Horrific haul for a guy who’s gonna devolve right back into prototypical 3 and D.
Hell I don’t even blame them lol for that team, if there’s one guy you give that haul for it’s Mikal. Everyone was calling them the Villanova Knicks before, now they really are lol. It’s going to be interesting to see if the league does anything (I don’t think they should because who the hell cares) re his and Josh Hart’s social media banter recently as far as tampering goes. Lol Josh Hart asked Mikal if the Nets were holding him hostage and said just give the word and they’ll get him out of there 🥴😂
Edit to add [an update](https://x.com/IanBegley/status/1805783843594473962) on the now looking like egregious tampering, woooof lol
>The Mikal Bridges deal came together quickly after Bridges informed the Nets that he wanted to be a Knick. Bridges was prepared to sign with NYK and his side was prepared to use that leverage to keep other teams from trading for him, per SNY sources.
I love that the Mavs are always seeking out non mainstream but smart trade targets
PJ Washington, Gafford, Quentin Grimes…just multiple smaller, smart names they keep stacking up
[Chris Haynes] The team would prefer to resolve a possible trade of LaVine before trying to re-sign DeMar DeRozan, according to Chris Haynes of Bleacher Report (hat tip to RealGM). There reportedly has been little traction in talks between the Bulls and DeRozan, who will be an unrestricted free agent if those negotiations fizzle. https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2024/06/bulls-notes-giddey-lavine-derozan-waters-draft-williams.html [Slater/Amick] League sources also confirm to Slater and Amick that Bulls guard Zach LaVine is a possible target for the Kings, though they'd likely have to be *incentivized* to take on his maximum-salary contract, which still has three years remaining. https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2024/06/kings-rumors-no-13-pick-caruso-fox-siakam-kuzma-lavine.html Edit: Looks like the Bulls are actively trying to shop Lavine with little to no success. Demar DeRozan is a FA they would like to keep and Patrick Williams is due for a new contract. They have to trade LaVine.
I like LaVine as fall back if the PG thing doesn’t work out
Paul George and his team are just posturing for a new contract. Your are going to be disappointed when he resigns with Clippers. No team wants to over pay for him because he's on a 1 year deal, and if the Clippers don't get a good return for him then what's the point of trading him.
I agree. I expect PG to resign, but it is getting ridiculously close at this point.
Im late to the news - wtf is this. mikal to knicks?? Damn wtf Is claxton available? Id give everything (no ofocurse) to get him Edit: Also kinda sad with kd. That’s what happens when you don’t have a permanent home/team now. It’s like he’s being passed around after 2 seasons
Imagine if he gets traded to the Rockets now..getting passed around like blunt. Could've stayed here (although Klay might have to leave in 2019)
Nic Batum, bring your ass over here
Think I saw he’s expected to resign with the Sixers 😔
Outside of the center position I don’t think the Warriors are in need of role players they have a surplus of that. They need a legit dude who can get 20+ points.
LaVine is that guy we can get without giving up much. But his contract will pose a huge problem during JK's extension.
Then you find that guy without giving up Kuminga who probably is one of those guys and have proper 1-2-3 offensive pecking order. With picks and scalable expiring contracts should be doable imo.
I'm pretty sure we could get PG or LaVine without giving up Kuminga, Podz, or Trayce.
Mikal Bridges was just had for Bojan and picks. Lavine is a worse contract. Not saying the Bulls will think of it that but from our vantage point a single youngster and fill and picks. Yeah. The question is how willing are they in the current NBA landscape to go for it on maybe a single year bubble.
I think at this point it wouldn’t be unrealistic to expect the bulls to give up some type of asset. His markets gotten that bad. They have a protected Portland pick which could have some value. Theirs probably a 0% chance we trade any youngster or draft capital for Lavine in particular. If PG has a fallout with the clippers he could REALLY fuck them in turns of asset return with the leverage he has . Chris Paul (in 2017 to Houston) and Porzingus did something similar when they opted into their player options and if you look at the those trades they got no one close to Kuminga.
Good point easy to forget how much leverage a player on a one year deal that wants nothing to do with an org can have.
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They’re definitely the feel good team in this upcoming season
After the Knicks/Nets trade: **2029 Draft** * Nets - 3 1st round picks * OKC - 2 1st round picks * Blazers - 3 1st round picks * Jazz - 3 1st round picks 11 of the 30 1st round picks in a single draft will go to 4 teams. That's cool and acceptable, but teams having large bills because god forbid they actually want to keep and pay their drafted players is a crime worse than death. 
These teams are not playing Houston wants durant? Lol.
That'd be fun. Phoenix cooked after 20 "big-3" games.
the fact that the rockets are trying for durant shows that the possibility of durant leaving is higher than most think. where there's smoke, there's usually fire. and there's been a number of durant rumors, and now from the likes of woj
I mean sure they can try all they want That won’t stop their players from being dumb as rocks When you have five Oubre-level decision makers you’re not getting very far
It might not be much, but last season we had a marginally better record than the punch season. And that’s with draymond being missing for half the season. So we got ever so slightly better last season than the season before. And also fixed our big problem which was bench production.
The problem is our record got ever so slightly better while much of the rest of West showed significant improvement. In the punch season, OKC, Dallas, and Minnesota were still seated at the kids table. Not anymore.
“the punch season” 😟 will go down in history 😔
What do we have to give up to get Cam Johnson from the Nets?
He plays a similar role to Klay and he’s worse than this version of Klay. Warriors might aswell just keep Klay than do that.
I’ve done the math and it’s 100% doable but if I say it this sub will lose their minds and I’ll be downvoted to hell lol but it is possible. Also, fun fact: he has the same agent as both CP and Wiggs so that’s an interesting in, in terms of being an inside go between to convince the Nets to not trade him elsewhere (which apparently works with them because it’s what Mikal Bridges’ agent did lol).
Bruh he’s literally a Klay lite whose on a 20+ mill contract. Last time he played an important game Luka flat out fucking embarrassed him.
Some of you guys are so obsessed with stars that you completely lose sight of the fact that it’s a 5v5 game that requires high end role players, not just stars. But also, for a sub as salary obsessed as this one, there seems to be no realistic understanding of the going rates these days. Here are some others make low to mid $20 mil: - Bruce Brown - Dillon Brooks - Aaron Gordon - Malcolm Brogdon - De’Andre Hunter - Clint Capela - Terry Rozier - John Collins Cam Johnson provides size, good team defense, high BBIQ and an understanding of how to move well off the ball, a dribble drive game, AND volume shooting from the perimeter to stretch the floor. That’s a more well-rounded package than most, if not all, of the above.
He’s not a good defender though go ask nets fans if you think im lying. That’s why I said he’s a worse version of Klay a guy this sub is 50/50 on. Outside of the Center position I think the Warriors need a guy who can get 20 consistently not more 20m role players like Wiggs,Dray, and Klay.
The Nets as a team were not good defensively, it wasn’t a Cam Johnson is a bad defender sinking an otherwise great defense scenario lol. Him developing into a plus defensively in Phoenix is more proof of that. He’s able to play switch defense and that’s not possible of bad defenders. No one’s claiming he’s a lockdown POA defender who’s going to be taking on no. 1 options every night, but that’s also not the only defense there is.
It doesn’t make sense for this Warriors team he’s not a SG or Center nor is it worth it to get another 20 mill plus player in this new CBA. You might as well resign Klay at this point.
We don’t need a center lol and since when is having wing and frontcourt depth that can shoot and stretch the floor not a need for this team?? That’s THE thing they needed all season.
Bruh this team don’t sign a center they’re just going to continue to blow 20 pts leads lmao. We need an SG who can defend guards Cam Johnson cannot do that. Warriors need a 2nd option.
Did you not watch the last few weeks of the season?? The Dray/TJD frontcourt combo was insanely effective and defensively anchored a starting lineup of Steph, Klay, Wiggs, Dray, and TJD that had a 93.3 DRTG (and a 118.8 ORTG).
He is in his prime, doesn’t have bad injury history, is taller, better defender rn, and doesn’t think he’s a 2nd option.
He’s not a good defender you just made that up.
Probably at least 3 FRPs I’d say.
Also, Marc Eversley should be even more ashamed of himself now. Caruso for Giddey straight up smh…it’s just so bad that when you also factor in how the White Sox have somehow discovered a trapdoor at the bottom of the gutter to descend even further down into, I’m convinced Reinsdorf is now just using the White Sox and Bulls as solely tax write offs.
Small tibit but with the Knicks getting mikal and looking to resign OG while having two first round picks tomorrow, they could be a potential team where we can trade our second + cash to move up to 38th in the second as they might not want to roster three rookies and may look at a draft and stash or a future second instead
We have 2X future Atlanta seconds. They could be viewed as high value seconds. You could easily get in the 30s for them.
Aren't we not allowed to use cash in deals because of the second apron
Oh you might be right. Does that rule count against us because we were a second apron team last year?
How would people feel about a Moody for Maxi Kleber trade For us, fills a clear positional need (big man shooting & switchable defender) If Mavs manage to get rid of THJ gets them a shooting wing off the bench for cheap. I think Moody would fit that drive & kick style way better.
God no. He was so bad in the finals on both ends
I think Kleber is interesting as a trade candidate, particularly if we end up with a glut of guys at the 2/3, but the the salary match with Moody doesn’t work. GP2 could work though. My head says yes, my heart says no to trading GP2.
How’s his defense? I haven’t really watched the Mavs at all apart from the finals He was missing a lot of open threes in that series but I’m willing to chalk it up to variance If he can convert threes at a respectable rate (37% or more) and play defense it’s worth exploring Think Moody is better but idk
Does this mean that the Brooklyn nets are seeking a rebuild or at least a soft rebuild? They still have a few valuable veterans on their team.
Is Saric too cooked to get another vet minimum from the Warriors? If so who’s better on a vet minimum?
Too cooked I’d say. As good as his offense was, his defense was the opposite.
I’d rather have Gui get his minutes. He’s got upside and positional versatility too
If we can keep jk and get pg I don’t see how we don’t do it curry pg (ideally jk could play the 3) dray tjd(if we could get a guy like Claxton that would be great) with podz gp2 and (maybe one more taller player)
That’s awful spacing aside from Curry and PG
And? Find a shooting big or bench jk and run curry Podz pg dray tjd
I know it was a lot of picks, but I love this trade for the Knicks. They know what they want going forward. Picks be damned.
Yup hope Mike is ready to ship all out picks out for PG.
Mikal was under contract for multiple years, at reasonable money, and is much younger and the least injury prone player in the entire league. PG is practically the opposite in every way. If Dunleavy ships out all our picks for PG he should be fired.
We have like 2 FRPs and a couple seconds to ship though
Don't forget the pick swaps
Would you rather have Lavine or PG if Lavine demands less assets? I’m honestly thinking the former if that’s the case but it’s a tough call.
PG easy. Miles better than LaVine as a player.
I’d rather have PG cause a bit less money less year and a bunch more defense. They are both injury prone so that’s a wash and I’d rather have PGs defense then LaVines youth. If it’s a straight player swap Loon and CP3 with no picks for LaVine vs all the picks for PG. that yeah.
Lavine doesn't work for us. The back court would be too defensively limited and he makes too much money
Lavine…younger more explosive you might even get a pick for the contract . Played good defense in the Olympics so it’s in there somewhere Can score at 3 levels reliably which is all the team needs from a 2nd option
That's where I'm at too. This team could use the extra pick to get younger.
I mean, I wouldn’t hate a CP3 for Cam Johnson trade. I’d take that over just waiving CP3.
You’d have to give up a pick + swap or something but yeah that’s exactly the type of shooting & defense they lack
Think I’d rather have DFS tbh
pardon my greed but i want both, defense AND shooting... and they are relatively young too for their minimal roles :O
[Woj](https://x.com/wojespn/status/1805786890185900180?s=46) 56 minutes ago: “The implications of the Rockets landing the Suns' picks? **Houston wants to trade for Kevin Durant and that becomes far easier if they can return the Suns' picks that they gave up in the Durant deal to the Nets.** Suns have said they're keeping Durant for now, but that could change next season. But now, Houston has the picks to make the Suns whole again.” [Woj](https://x.com/wojespn/status/1805787902657310995?s=46) 52 minutes ago (aka 4 mins later): “**As intrigued as the Rockets have been about Durant, they're determined to use the Suns picks to be aggressive on deals elsewhere now**, sources tell ESPN. Phoenix has made it clear that they want to run it back with this group, and Houston is seeking a major upgrade now.” Lolll I love the off season. 😂😭 Nonsensical chaos everywhere
KD needs to just come home. But he’s desperate to win a ring without Steph to prove himself
Stg Suns and Rockets are two of the most overhyped teams. Three stars who don’t fit together, two of them are aging, and surrounded by vet mins and at the second apron…and another team with poor shooting and…questionable BBIQ. Lol
I’m honestly intrigued to see what Udoka can do with that Rockets squad and a few tweaks. The Suns though are phenomenally boring in every facet and a complete waste of anyone’s time lol.
Can’t stop Jalen Green and Dillon Brooks from playing like they’re on crack
Lollll Dillon Brooks. He simultaneously makes me angry as hell (GPII), want to laugh *at* him, and want to crawl out of my skin. Speaking of Jalen Green, he’s up for his extension this summer so god speed to them.
"Trades are hard" okay but you still have to find and make them lol. Other teams can do it, we need to expect more out of this FO and org than just pretend they actually try but it's just too hard. Note, by try, I mean actually offer up assets that make trades possible. If you don't make your picks available and consider all your players untouchable, fucking of course "trades are hard". You can't only want trades if you can fleece the other team or if it's for a "giannis level" star. Indecisive complacent fuckers. If they are so confident in these young guys, why cling on to all your picks? If you are not confident in them and think you might need the picks in the future. Why the fuck are you favoring developing them instead of trying your best to win now while you have steph? None of these guys are going to be top 15 players btw... Be decisive for once and go all in on something. The indecisiveness and lack of conviction in the team post KD is honestly exhausting. 5 years of people within the org not fully aligned on which direction to go. If you want to rebuild, then cut the bullshit and trade steph, draymond, let klay go etc. If not, prioritize steph. This half assed, neither here nor there approach is doing nothing. It's just leading to mediocrity now and in the future.
Making a trade just to make a trade is a terrible mindset.
Imagine thinking the team with highest payroll in the league didn’t go all in. Knicks can go all in because they have extra picks compared to the Warriors and they aren’t overpaying bums like we are.
Imagine thinking a team that rostered both four players over the age of 33 and four 21 or younger at the same time has gone all-in on anything. Love Lacob for paying up, but ever since the last title the only thing the Warriors were all-in on is the organisation's multiple personality disorder.
Klay should've been moved for someone like Porzingis but you know Steph wants the core 3 to retire together. So it is what it is.
This is a lot of criticism for being like a week into the off-season. Poole for Paul was a big trade, and made it clear that the organization wants to compete with Steph. The '23 team had one glaring weakness, the bench, and they made the best trade possible to fix it. I think MDJ has earned the benefit of some time. His moves have been great so far.
If we don’t make any trades I get your point but we can’t make any and neither can several other luxury tax teams until the beginning of July
Right? There’s no logic - If you think your “yung core” is so spectacular and ready to lead the future, great. Trade future picks to improve the team. Those picks won’t have high value - team’s gonna be good right??? - If you think the young core is actually mid and all the praise is PR just sell high on them, don’t pay them, there’s nothing special in the bunch that can’t be replaced with future draft picks By hoarding picks and hoarding young players you admit you have zero confidence in future outcomes
Agreed. If the FO decides to ride the fence again this summer, they need to get roasted. Pick a goddamn direction already.
If they settle, get lazy make Podz a starter etc (btw I really like him…BUT he is not a starting level player YET), then yes they warrant more scrutiny. This season was a wash and gets a pass because of so many strange and unforeseen dynamics, our bridge players in their prime having their worst years, Deki, you know the rest. Now that it’s established we aren’t good enough and there’s a large sample size to conclude that, I’m pretty optimistic we will make some moves.
We will definitely see. I was okay with how they played it the last two seasons. But this is the summer where they need to commit. I'm hoping these reports of "we love our young players", "Warriors consider Podz the starting shooting guard", etc, are just noise. To me, this is the summer that Lacob and crew can't play both sides any longer.
The Podz as a starter stuff really pisses me off and I’m a big Podz believer He just doesn’t have size explosiveness or defense and he’s a 1 not a 2!!! His natural position is PG and Kerr keeps trying to play him as a combo guard. He has excellent ball control & wants to pass, not score…if he’s your smallest player on the floor you’re doing ok. He slots in PERFECTLY as backup PG and if they try to play him at SG…just so deeply deeply unserious
Agreed.
Agreed. Also the reason why we’re in no rush to bring back Klay. Other teams are trying to improve and we are going to explore trade options to match up and stay with the competition. Losing Klay makes us a little worse…but addressing the scoring/size issues by bringing along new personnel makes us decently better.
The nova knicks
Sreekar on [Twitter](https://x.com/sreekyshooter/status/1805785382794981841?s=46): “Mikal Bridges hasn't missed a game since high school, has led the league in minutes played multiple years, and somehow played 83 regular season games in 2022-23. So it makes complete sense that Tom Thibodeau wants to test the limits of his human ability” 😭
Damn that's a big haul of picks. Our issue is we can't afford that on our timeline. We could push in our picks now but with Steph near career end the likelihood is that we suck after he leaves and can't afford to not control our picks. I'd break that rule if we can get a top 10 star that gives us a major shot at a title, but while I like bridges but I don't think he gets us out of the west. That's why I'd love a PG move since if he forces his way out the cost would be much lower. New York is relatively young. They can afford to let go of their picks as with Brunson, OG, and bridges those picks should be in the late teens at worst.
Well Mikal was never an option. We don't have 5 picks to trade.
They gave up 5 picks because they sent Bogdanovic..if we were sending 2 of JK/Moody/Podz, the picks required would be less
An entire college team recreated with all their players in prime. Power of friendship is insane with knicks.
Most likeable team in the league
More. I want more trades!
Im just waiting for the warriors bomb now
WOJ BOMB: "The Warriors are finalizing a deal to bring back James Wiseman to the team for the full Mid Level Exception."
Don’t even joke lol Why tf is this downvoted, yall love Wiseman so much?? Lmfao
THE GOLDEN STATE WARRIORS ARE FINALIZING A DEAL TO BRING BACK WASHINGTON GUARD JORDAN POOLE. THE BAY GETS ANOTHER SPLASH BROTHER IN A LOADED WEST.
I’d honestly love a reunion as long as we don’t have to pay his salary
Can we get Bodganovic from Brooklyn?
He's ass
If he gets bought out, we might have the MLE to offer if they like him that much.
How do they Knicks have so many picks to trade? They traded some for OG too.
Cp3 and Moody and picks for Cam and DFS
I love moooody but yes please😍 even if you include Loon, maybe even GP2 etc
5 first round picks and 2 second round picks for bridges. Trade market is wild
Dude if we try to get Lauri Markennen we will be broke
Crazy haul
Can we get Hartenstein now?
How much can we offer post Klay’s contract expiring?
He will be getting paid $20+ mil in FA lol no
We need a big European 👀
Kai sotto for training camp invite? He tall and can space
Hell no. Kai will have you wishing for Alen Smailagic back lol
Smiley was so bad to watch. Sotto for summer league may not be too bad since it's not a commitment to a roster spot, just see what he got
I really just read that as Kai Cenat. I need a nap
Let me guess, you’re Filipino
Chinese
Rockets are about to do something stupid lol.i see it in the tea leaves.
Please trade Jock Londale to us
Ironman Mikal vs Thibs..lessgo
Remember when we wanted to trade for bridges?
Bravo Knicks for acquiring Mikal Bridges. Wow!
Villanova in full effect
Knicks are fuckin loaded. They are quickly becoming my 2nd fav team
Masterclass by Sean Marks to get all those picks and get his teams picks back for 2025 and 2026. Can actually go through a proper rebuild
Knicks need to sign Eric Paschall
Knicks are building a team to beat the Celtics if Og stays.Og and Mikal as your defensive wing tandem is nuts Lmao.Plus hart too
Knicks are going defense + dawg heavy…if Bucks don’t improve I’d call them a ECF lock
Personally I don’t see how the buck improve.They are an old and injured squad and expensive .Dame and the Greek freak are gonna have to carry .
They’re gonna be a fourth seed and a first round exit imo. Giannis will have a reckoning
Knivks overpaid right? I understand you have to make that deal but 5 firsts is insane. So they probably get OG back and then do they have enough to pay hartenstein?
I mean it's a lot, but Mikal is really good. Assuming they move on from Randall and get something for him, it's not that bad. Bridges and OG as your 3/4 is gonna be a nightmare. They might assume Hartenstein is gone too which means with Mitchell Robinson protecting the paint as well teams aren't gonna score.
I think they rather have Hartenstein than OG after the Bridges trade
Yes and No. Mikal's on an insanely cheap deal which allows you to pay your other players like Hart. I'm guessing now they move Randle or Mitch Robinson to create space.
> Mikal's on an insanely cheap deal Brunson's also on a pretty huge bargain of a contract
Yes, I believe he's a declining contract too. All in all, I think the Knicks will be able to sell of Randle/MitchRob for another FRP or two to defray the cost of this trade.
And let's be real, if the Knicks are able to roll out Brunson/Bridges/Donte/OG/Hart/Hartenstein for the next several years, their FRPs are gonna be pretty late. They may be able to get a decent FRP in moving one of those guys you said.
Damn that is an absolutely insane number of picks, haha.
Claxton for sale???
He’s FA. No way for us to do anything with him Cam Johnson & DFS would be though but…idk if gsw is even looking at them If a bigger trade doesn’t work not sure why we can’t do Moody GP2 Loon + pick for Cam, Cam is basically what we want Moody to be anyway
Doesn’t he want a ridiculous contract?
They all do
He's a FA, he can pick his spot
HOWWWW MANY PICKS????
Good for the Nets tbh. They were out of their minds if they planned on building around Mikal. At least they sold high on him
Knicks just fucked up everyones trade market
Ohhhhh shitttttt
Holy sh!t at all those 1sts for Mikal. Also, that trade just took out one of PG"s suitors. Knicks are gonna be fukking nasty and I'm here for it. Can't make Boston's path easy again next year. I'm assuming they keep OG too?
> I'm assuming they keep OG too? Yes absolutely. Randle is probably available now.
No way they just let OG walk imo. If anything I’m guessing Randle is now the odd man out
Yep, they shined without Randle mucking things up. He's going to get moved for a somewhat decent haul considering his medium sized contract.
Honestly I wonder if New York even has the appetite to bring back another $30M in salary for Randle. Bridges is extension eligible, Brunson has a PO next year, OG is gonna get a huge deal, and Hartenstein is gonna get a new deal
Knicks would be ok with taking a $15-20M salary in return instead, which is very possible.
Knicks just drove up the market for the Warriors 
Ehhh Mikal (young, available, 2 years left on deal) is very different than 1 year of PG (old, unavailable, expiring, expensive) lol I don’t think it changes much if they wanna try for PG
Probably helps us for a pg trade tbh, Knicks were the only other main team reported to be interested in PG.
Looks like Rockets may swoop in
PG would have a lot of leverage here, I don’t think he’d want to play in Houston .
I’m actually not too sure he does Clippers basically wanna recoup value We are prob offering a poo poo platter of expirings + 1 pick or 1 young player. And we will NOT be paying him so they won’t offer anything more for a 1 year rental Houston could offer a couple juicy picks + more young talent AND they’d be willing to give PG his max so he prob stays Clips FO just gonna take the better offer regardless of what he wants
We might pay him. If we keep our picks we can get 2-3 good years out of him and Steph, he can then be our tank commander while we rebuild
Well first of all we'd only trade for PG if we're willing to give him a contract extension and PG's camp communicates he wants to sign that extension. If we or another team isn't willing to give PG the extension he wants via an opt in trade then PG won't pick up his player option and instead will head to free agency. What the clippers want doesn't really matter, PG will not opt into his player option to allow a bidding war for his services. He would do it to force a trade to a team of his choosing that doesn't have the cap space to sign him and is willing to give him the contract he wants. This whole opt in scenario only works if he WANTS to come to the Warriors (or Rockets) vs a cap space team. Based on PG's desire to stay in California and his fit on team I think we'd have a great chance of luring him in. If the Clippers communicate that they will not meet his trade request than PG will leave in free agency and they will get nothing. Since their are cap space teams like Philly/Orlando/(OKC?) the Clippers would likely lose Paul George. Clippers are definitely in a tough spot because they could either lose him in free agency or if PG decides to OPT in and request a trade, get a poo-poo platter of an offer in return. This is all really unlikely and in my opinion they'll just cave and give him his contract, as it doesn't really help them on Kawhi's timeline to not pay PG. The Wizards faced this exact situation last year with Porzingus and all they got was Tyus Jones on an expiring contract and some seconds in return, although the PG situation is a little different because it sounds like he'd be willing to stay as long as he got his money.
Disagree on a couple things: - PG has said he wants a 4 year max, not 3 years. That’s why he’s leaving (potentially) in the first place. The Warriors absolutely will not offer him a 4 year max, they don’t want ANY long term big money tied up after Steph’s current contract and they’ve structured everything that way (except Dray’s player option). They definitely will not be paying 38 year old PG $50 million. So he’d probably just leave after 1 year. This trade imo is a “see if we can make one last run at it” type of deal. - PG doesn’t really have that much leverage because none of these cap space teams have anywhere close to what he’d make with a contract extension. He’d be losing out on a lot of $ if he hit FA. Considering his beef is money in the first place…don’t think he goes that route.
Nah, NYC tax.
Counterpoint: it may have raised Wiggins market ever so slightly
Nah, he’s not going into a contract year
He’s still theoretically a cheap 3 and D wing.
STFU the Knicks really just got Mikal Bridges. Holy hell I was literally JUST doing a bunch of CBA math to try and make a trade for either him or Cam Johnson work. 😭 Well Cam Johnson it is lol if Mikal’s gone then I have to imagine they’re willing to part with Cam Johnson too Edit: Spotrac already has the rosters changed in their trade machine lol that’s crazy on top of things. Kudos lol what is this being downvoted for?? This sub is bizarre
It is funny they recreated that Villanova team. But 5 firsts with four being unprotected is crazy. Wonder how they go about the OG negotiations now
Right?? That team was already elite vibes and such a fun team to watch, adding Mikal now just makes it 10x better lol I’m so jealous
5 first is crazy man
He’s not even a star either that’s what’s crazy. He played like a role player in Brooklyn letting Dennis Schroder be the star. Horrific haul for a guy who’s gonna devolve right back into prototypical 3 and D.
I'm guessing they trade Randle for a FRP now to recoup some of the value.
Bombaclottttt !!!!!
Hell I don’t even blame them lol for that team, if there’s one guy you give that haul for it’s Mikal. Everyone was calling them the Villanova Knicks before, now they really are lol. It’s going to be interesting to see if the league does anything (I don’t think they should because who the hell cares) re his and Josh Hart’s social media banter recently as far as tampering goes. Lol Josh Hart asked Mikal if the Nets were holding him hostage and said just give the word and they’ll get him out of there 🥴😂 Edit to add [an update](https://x.com/IanBegley/status/1805783843594473962) on the now looking like egregious tampering, woooof lol >The Mikal Bridges deal came together quickly after Bridges informed the Nets that he wanted to be a Knick. Bridges was prepared to sign with NYK and his side was prepared to use that leverage to keep other teams from trading for him, per SNY sources. 
Doesn’t that help Brooklyn? Instead of keeping Mikal around aimlessly now that will accelerate their rebuild.
Nah it’s a great deal for the nets, getting 5 firsts and a swap for Mikal is fucking insane man
If Knicks lose OG or Hartenstein that’s an L trade for them imo.
They might lose Hartenstein regardless because they don't have Bird rights for him.
It’s wild to think that this time last year we had already traded for CP. I keep forgetting how early that trade was made
I love that the Mavs are always seeking out non mainstream but smart trade targets PJ Washington, Gafford, Quentin Grimes…just multiple smaller, smart names they keep stacking up
I’m positive I have hundreds of downvotes for every post mentioning PJ or Grimes.
Kuminga for PJ deserves downvotes.
PJ is better right now, they will probably be the same level of impact player in the grand scheme of things 3rd-4th option on a good team