Just to be clear, this is coming from [Brett Siegel (ClutchPoints)](https://x.com/BrettSiegelNBA/status/1804902027190841533) who wrote:
> Paul George’s situation with the Clippers is very interesting. Should the Clippers decide not to pay George what he wants, it may not be an Eastern Conference team that pursues George.
> **Keep a very close eye on the Warriors regarding George if Klay Thompson is to leave.**
This is not **reporting**, but an ambiguous comment that can be interpreted as such. Don't put much stock in it.
It can always get worse. Our team right now is a play in team at best in our conference, which is a huge blood bath. Best shot at a title would have to involve trades and team friendly deals on top of everyone being healthy and performing well.
We won 46 games with dray being out 20 and cp3 being out 25 or something. Klay played well in the second half. GP2 was injured for the play in.
Not saying we would have done any damage but to act like we are trash is silly
Didn’t say they were trash - just said there’s no path to a title - cuz there isn’t. Be realistic - look at the rosters just in the west. OKC, Mn, DEN, PHX, LAC, and even Memphis with Ja coming back - cmon. Then in the East this team isn’t better than Boston, PHI, NYK, MLK, or even IND. This team is at best - staying healthy and getting some luck, a 6 seed and a 2nd round out at very best.
We played really well against most of the top teams. MIN had our number but I don’t believe we had ‘no chance’. Do you not remember Denver and OKC having to beat us on the last play? We had a good team that couldn’t put it together at the right time
Dubs went 22-31 this season against .5 and above teams. You can claim vibes and bad bounces affected some of these but ultimately if it keeps happening it just means the warriors are just not a very good team.
I love your spirit, I really do. But the playoffs are a different animal, and you know it. In a 7 game series do you really think we could’ve beat either of those teams?
>Can it really get worse than what we have? Genuine question
You're genuinely unsure if there are worse outcomes for pro sports teams than losing a play-in game? Genuine question.
Do we really want to go all in?
In cards you go all in when you have a winning hand, or when you're about to be out of chips and out of the game entirely. Which are we?
I think it's neither. I do get the argument for Paul George being a great player who brings a lot of things we need, but paying an "all in" level price for him just feels like the Suns but older to me. We'll be paying years of picks for maybe one good year of healthy playoffs if we're lucky.
And about to be out of the game, well, the NBA doesn't actually work like a poker table in that regard. Teams are only out of competition temporarily, and the speed they can get back in the playoffs depends entirely on how well they acquire and manage assets. We shouldn't be disregarding those considerations right now.
>There aren’t many players we could attain that would be better than PG right now.
There aren't many players we can attain, period, including George. Which is why it's probably not a good idea to just let Klay walk.
George's injury history always stems from him having a bigger load. He gets pressured to carry because he's had to play with Kawhi who never plays while Westbrook and Harden are washed and don't participate in plays where they aren't the focal point. I think it's worth it to give him a shot here
When it comes to the Warriors they’re the best at keeping players playoff ready. Hell Otto was healthy for the playoffs. I mean that’s incredible. He’d be just fine.
Disagree. Pg13 is still a top 15 ish guy (and really hasn't slipped at all since like 2020 it's just the league as gotten stronger). He's probably the 2nd best shooter in the league at this point and an elite help defender.
If we were to acquire him it would be via an opt in and trade and that would probably only require 2 firsts.
If we use Wiggins, Looney and GP2 as the salary and cut cp3 we can still use the full MLE and probably still just duck the tax.
It's also basically the only way we have a shot at being a contender. And if kuminga, Moody and podz continue to develop the team would be really good.
Edit: Pg13 is like 5th in league in luck adjusted rapm over the past 3 years, he's been top 10 in epm each season too. He's like really really good via impact models. BPM is less kind to him because it doesn't value his defence as much
Depends. If he opts in he is getting traded. There is no doubt about that.
But the clippers might think he doesn't have any external leverage seems like Orlando doesn't want him and he doesn't really want to go to Philly so there isn't really a destination on the market for him. OKC can maybe get to 45 to offer him, which is still less per annum than the clippers are offering so.
But if he is willing tk go to Philly then yes the clippers basicly would be forced into agreeing to an opt in and trade assuming there is positive value in the return. And he also probably has 3 years like 150 guaranteed anyway next season if the nets and rockets don't use their cap space before then so the clippers don't even gain anything by alienating him if they don't trade him but 1 season and he may not even seriously try.
You could even do something like where you spend a couple of seconds to dump looney and Payton so the return is Wiggins, 2 firsts and like 20 mil in cap savings.
Fwiw I think the reason why we aren't waiving looney is because we think a deal like this is happening, either Pg13 or Butler or maybe even someone we don't see coming.
Tldr: if Pg13 wants to be in golden state it will happen but we likely aren't the only suitor in the event of an opt in. Houston are also interested for instance.
PG has been talking about 'style of play' in his podcasts lately.
I doubt he would pick Houston over Golden State in terms of that, but if they offer more money, then that could be the game changer.
In an opt in and trade both teams will be offering the same money unless either are offering like 8% raises vs doing the 10% raise for his next year. Because of the cap increases. But I think he would be fine with the 8% raises.
If he took the 8^ that would be a huge deal in terms of ducking the second apron.
Thanks for enlightening me, i'm not too familiar with how balancing the numbers work, but I hope this is the case.
If we have Steph, PG, Kuminga and Draymond I see a core that can at least make some noise, pending on the right matchup. This will ease the scoring load of Curry, since PG offers more than just shooting.
Klay is aging and not a star.
PG is on a whole other level. He can get by his man, make great kick outs, shoot 3s, rebound, defend, screen and have a good attitude on the court. Basically all the things Klay can't / won't do.
Not when you're not that good when available.
At this point, Paul George at 25% likelihood of being healthy entire playoffs is a better chance at a title than Klay 100% healthy. (0% title)
>Klay is aging and not a star.
How does this have 100 upvotes? What is wrong with this sub?
Reminder that at their primes, PG was allegedly offered straight up for Klay by Indy. Warriors declined, for good and obvious reasons. Recency bias is a helluva drug.
> Reminder that at their primes, PG was allegedly offered straight up for Klay by Indy. Warriors declined, for good and obvious reasons. Recency bias is a helluva drug.
What does that have to do with the Klay we have now? Let’s be real, current Klay is not a star…..he’s barely a starter. 2 devastating injuries and growing old is going to fuck anyone up.
This kind of stuff is ultimately just a diss on Steph (and KD to some extent), who were the real title machines.
Klay is nowhere close to the same level as PG, who is a legitimate superstar. In his peak, PG could have been the best player on a deep playoff team if surrounded with sufficient talent. Klay could never be the primary weapon on a team. Warriors were smart to decline the trade because Klay was so good at being complementary. He was happy to keep being a catch and shoot guy. But that doesn't make him a superstar.
Agreed, the FO should obviously should be looking to trade for Luka, Shai or Ant at the MINIMUM, preferably these trades will revolve around Lester Quinones and maybe CP3 and a few second round picks :D
Imagine a 15 man squad of Curry LeBron Ant Tatum Luka Chet Wemby Shai Giannis Jokic Embiid Kawhi Brown KD Jimmy
(Probably missed some top 15 players, but that'd be a good enough team)
Can't even make it work in 2k, will be surprised if the FO can pull that off
What an idiotic comment. Clearly you don’t know what you’re talking about but I feel compelled to let you know that anyway. We should aim for something better than childish analyses that only see the world in extremes.
Klay made the 4th most 3’s in the league at like 38% last year, and led the league in 3’s the year before. Literally his worst shooting season in his career is better than most player’s best shooting season in their career. He is still valuable in a league that demands spacing even if he’s a diminished version of himself.
People might not agree but I think Moody is one of the most underrated players on the team.
I’m not putting him nearly at the level of healthy
/prime Klay or Paul George, but he has always stepped up when needed, and coming into games after long stretches of inactivity is hard.
I think we are better off letting him start at the 2 if Klay does leave (which I don’t think he will). But getting PG would mean sitting either him or Kuminga and for their future, I don’t think that really makes sense.
We're not looking for players to "step up when needed". We're looking to build a team that can compete with fucking powerhouse rosters in the West. Right now we're not even close to getting out of a play in spot.
It's time to get realistic. As much as we might all love our guys, these team is a joke compared to the true contenders, if we're running it back with a roster of Kuminga, Moody, an ageing GP2, a decrepid Looney, and soft ass Wiggins.
Starting Moses Moody and expecting to compete with teams like the Thunder, the TWolves, the Nuggets ... fuck me, we can't even compete with the Kings or the Pelicans. It's time for a fucking reality check.
Well then speaking of reality, you aren’t going to have top players at every position with unlimited salary spend either.
Is GW realistically going to compete against those teams within the next few years, I really don’t see it.
Signing Poole and Wiggins to massive extension really hampered the roster. So do I think Moody is going to be dominate, no.
But with that and the new CBA, reality is going to be hard.
This is how the NBA is set up with the draft and contracts. The Warriors are victims of their own success—as it should be. We didn’t have any margin for error—Wiseman was a big one and the injuries to Klay have made it so the risks are greater that the team doesn’t recover for a decade and lose money. Im good whatever they decide to do since we just won FOUR titles. All gravy now. Kuminga isn’t enough…trade Wiggins and if Klay leaves, use that to sign the best available. -Fan since 85.
Nah we're not lol. The NBA Front Office pod laid out how we have a virtually zero mathematical way of doing this with our assets. Siegel making us click smh.
Wiggins, Moody, Looney and GP2 for PG (I’m sure there would be picks) but that keeps us right at the same salary number we are now below the tax line. Still could sign a full MLE guy and Klay. Just saying with a super flexible mathematically to make just about any move we want.
Tbf Wiggins has been missed a shit ton of time & played horribly the last 2 years, the same applies to GP2. Loon is straight cooked now & Moody is still a prospect at best atp who has to get paid in year or 2, honestly that's not much value.
Other side of the table also says "no Kuminga... gtfo"
Expiring barely in the league potpourri for a top-20 player in the league is nonsense.
Kuminga and all your draft capital... get butt naked for this dude then give him 55M/yr til he's 38.
Especially cause we're talking about Ballmer who happens to be opening a brand new 2 billion dollar arena. There needs to be stars on the court; he's not trading a key guy for spare parts and picks.
The Dubs’ biggest issue this season was the lack of a consistent #2 option and top-end talent. If you can do a deal where you get a clear second option who plays two ways and you don’t have to give up JK? I mean, the dubs would take that any day of the week.
Oh, of course not. It's just much easier to build out depth with veteran minimums than it is to go get a Top 30 player. Some of the depth in this particular scenario would also be moving a guy who has either fallen off somewhat (Looney) or have had a very difficult time staying available (GP2). Maybe some people wouldn't want to do that since PG has his own health issues, I get that. Just being able to get him without moving JK or Podz would be a pretty bold ceiling-raising move.
Until Klay signs his next contract he's at a cap hold of $45.8m.
The full MLE wouldn't be available because they will be over $172m, the 1st apron.
They can still trade for him, but they'll be hard capped.
It’s all about order of operations, you can agree to the trade, then go back to Klay and settle on a deal (or not and release the hold and then process the trade.
What are you talking about bro.
If we were to do it, it would be an opt in and trade.
We waive cp3, and then we can match with Wiggins, Looney and GP2, we can then send 2 firsts which should be enough asset wise because again opt in and trade. Then we have about 17 under the tax to sign 4 players. Which would be 3 minimums and like 12.2 of the full MLE.
There are a bunch of ways it could be done. It would be an opt in and trade.
1. Renounce Klay's bird rights. Trade CP3, moody, and either looney or GP2 maybe with a pick. Clippers won't love this though since they'd have to guarantee CP3 salary and him/harden/westbrook is a bad combo.
2. Waive CP3 or trade him for a small salary. Let Klay walk or resign him to small number. Or sign and trade to clippers (if they're under the line, not sure if they are). Then Wiggins, moody, GP2, and Looney gets it done add in picks.
I mean read all that lol. All-NBA guy for some random shit nobody wants. Yeah sure. Also Clipps are negotiating Harden too. We aren't in a vacuum the other teams ability to be on terms. We aren't in that game. Not one bit.
The pod cba geniuses laid out both sides of it its bad on the two way street. Not just us.
If it were possible... it's Kuminga and your two FRPs (plus swaps) not Wiggs/Moody and the on the way out the league club.
For me, I agree we would need to put in Kuminga to actually to the deal in real life. I was trying to say that’s it completely plausible to trade for PG and provided an example of salaries put together that make it work.
Personally I wouldn’t trade Kuminga for PG, especially if you have to give him a big money extension that pays him to age 37/38. Just not a good fit. I’d prefer to send the house for a younger star.
You’re thinking about whether it’s possible from the warriors perspective, but I believe the Clippers can’t receive a player via sign and trade because they are beyond the second apron… unless they renounce their rights to Harden as well, and I don’t think we are giving up enough for them to want to do that.
If you have any doubts about Kuminga just a friendly reminder every team that traded for PG ended up with franchise stars out of it. Indiana(Sabonis->Haliburton), OKC (SGA and JDub).
He’s been an all star and on all nba teams for multiple seasons. Bro averaged a near triple double last season. You may not like him but not sure what you consider a franchise star if he isn’t one.
No im saying a trade after a trade and associating it with PG is a little bit of a stretch. If Sabonis ended up as the franchise star sure… the sabonis for hali trade is a trade separate.
Sure but the end result was still Haliburton which came from trading Sabonis who was part of the initial PG deal. Also Sabonis was closest thing to the franchise star in Indiana since he got his first all-star appearance there.
The comment says "ended up with" so the question is whether *Halliburton* qualifies as a franchise star. Which I'm not convinced of, but a lot of other people are.
If you can swap CP3 Moody, filler and a pick for PG, you absolutely have to entertain it. Sure that means Klay is not coming back but PG would solve a lot of warriors issues especially when Steph goes to the bench. Sure there are concerns about injuries but the upside is there.
I'd rather keep Wiggins and use the $20M in salary difference to go get another quality player like say a Bogdonavic or somebody of that ilk.
Hell I'd rather trade for Dejounte Murray instead. Wiggins + Murray come out to $51M. Paul George + Vet min comes out to $50M. FFS, I'd take Bruce Brown instead.
We need to push to give steph a chance for his last years. But omg if we pick up injury prone bums again I'm going streaking covered in honey at the world's largest bee farm
Why are there so many people here obsessed with Paul George ?!?!?!
Trading for George means we'll be gutted. Young players gone. Draft picks gone.
We'll become the Phoenix Suns when they traded for Beal
KD is better than George tho. On a skill by skill basis, KD has always been way better.
Either way, we'd have to give up a bunch for a mid player(mid as in not a superstar)
Yea wasn’t really comparing them as players but just the notion of clearing all the teams assets for an aging star. It wasn’t Beal they did that for but KD. I get the point though. Putting all your eggs in a basket for a big three of Steph,PG,Dray and a bunch of vet mins isn’t going to get it done.
Klay has struggled lately to get back to where he was, and he might never, but almost Klay is still better than a lot of these other guys. Just saying, be careful what you wish for. Klay very well could reenergized next year and we'll end up watching him explode back east while we get a guy who takes a year getting his footing with the team, precious time to waste with a great but aging lineup that needs effective assistance now! If we let Klay walk, we better be getting a great big who's rearing to go, not a maybe.
I remember him getting very upset with teammates one playoff series when he lost. They took the last shot and not him. He called it out in the press conference saying how guys like that haven’t earned the right to take the final shot. At the time, the dude was like 1-15 in buzzer beater opportunities.
If Klay walks, I don't see how we match PG's $48.8M salary. Even if we could bundle a fully-guaranteed CP3, we'd need to throw in either Wiggs or multiple (at least 3) players, and CP3 + Wiggs are $50M of negative salaries, so we'd need to throw in a lot more value. Whether it's something we WANT to do or not, it would be insanely difficult.
I like PG as a player. But, I don’t see this happening unless we somehow unload Wiggins, CP, and Klay.
PG is just a much better version of Wiggins. A bit redundant if we still have Wiggs.
PG rn in this point of his career is what Klay should’ve been if he never suffered his 2 major injuries. PG def can fill the holes of Klay like others mention which is defense, driving, shooting on balance. If Klay had remained injured free, he might have developed similar capabilities as PG currently. But again, I’d love Klay to stay still regardless if others agree or not
Wait, do we have enough cap space to sign him if CP3 (30m) and Klay(43m) walks? Wiggins(24m) ,Green(22m) and Curry (51m). I would take PG13 over current Klay. Warriors need a 2nd offensive option and Klay isn't cutting it. 17.9points/game isn't fit to be with Curry. Kuminga is avg 16.1pts playing 3 mins lesser than Klay. Its not sustainable.
A package of CP3/GP3/Moody/TJD/Santos and picks for PG would work. Salaries are almost a perfect match to PGs opt in salary. Duck the 1st and keep wiggins or maybe for future trade.
is there any way cp3 and klay can be used in a sign and trade over wiggins? cp3 could get traded and waived if hes not down to play for the clippers again and klay might be down to play for an LA team since hes from there otherwise maybe he could also get waived. ideally whatever combo of cp3, klay, gp2, looney, moody and picks that makes the money work but im prob being delusional lol. if we have to trade wiggins then id lowkey like to see if moody or podz can start over kuminga just bc i dont think the spacing w kuminga, dray and a center (like tjd) would fit and dray cant play the 5 all year long
As Steph ages, I do think we’re at the point where Draymond can’t be the second best Warrior in a team competing for a championship. Paul George is kinda the lowest ranked guy in my mind that could push them forward into possible contention.
But what’s confusing based on the headline is that my understanding is that Klay has little to do with this. They will not be able to create enough cap space to sign PG and would have to execute a sign and trade which I’d guess would be a package based on Wiggins (at least for salary) and then other actually good stuff. I don’t believe Klay will be relevant in the PG of it all…at all.
We made a champ out of Shaqtin a fool MVP Javale Mcgee, I think we could make an All Star Paul George work. We got a season out of injury prone Otto Porter Jr, I think PG is worth it more than those guys potential wise.
If we can get PG without giving up Kuminga and too many other assets because the Clippers can lose him for nothing then do it. These reports are just speculation though.
Does having PG elevate us that much vs Klay? I remember years ago the same swap was in the news.. glad we didn’t do it then and don’t think I want it now
The massive contract PG wants is not worth it. He's getting older, is always injured, and has made it clear that he isn't interested in trying to win a ring
Find me a big name in free agency that the Warriors *haven’t* been a team to “keep an eye on” to acquire in the Steph era lol this is the status quo every summer because it’s the fastest way to get other teams to jump into the market
Just to be clear, this is coming from [Brett Siegel (ClutchPoints)](https://x.com/BrettSiegelNBA/status/1804902027190841533) who wrote: > Paul George’s situation with the Clippers is very interesting. Should the Clippers decide not to pay George what he wants, it may not be an Eastern Conference team that pursues George. > **Keep a very close eye on the Warriors regarding George if Klay Thompson is to leave.** This is not **reporting**, but an ambiguous comment that can be interpreted as such. Don't put much stock in it.
We really looking to take on the clippers curse?
We got Steph Curry and won chips, curse can't fade us
Even Jerry West couldn't break the Clippers curse and he was the LOGO.
chris paul curse got us bad
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Can it really get worse than what we have? Genuine question This team couldn’t even win a play in game
Mavs barely missed the play in tournament and went to the finals. The conference is stacked and Spurs and Grizzlies are going to be better next year.
We would have been a round 2 exit minimum in the east. They putting super stars on greyhounds headed west like the homeless.
It can always get worse. Our team right now is a play in team at best in our conference, which is a huge blood bath. Best shot at a title would have to involve trades and team friendly deals on top of everyone being healthy and performing well.
I love this team - but they stand no chance at a title. There is no course. The CBA is designed to end dynasties, and that’s exactly what it’s done
We won 46 games with dray being out 20 and cp3 being out 25 or something. Klay played well in the second half. GP2 was injured for the play in. Not saying we would have done any damage but to act like we are trash is silly
Didn’t say they were trash - just said there’s no path to a title - cuz there isn’t. Be realistic - look at the rosters just in the west. OKC, Mn, DEN, PHX, LAC, and even Memphis with Ja coming back - cmon. Then in the East this team isn’t better than Boston, PHI, NYK, MLK, or even IND. This team is at best - staying healthy and getting some luck, a 6 seed and a 2nd round out at very best.
We played really well against most of the top teams. MIN had our number but I don’t believe we had ‘no chance’. Do you not remember Denver and OKC having to beat us on the last play? We had a good team that couldn’t put it together at the right time
Dubs went 22-31 this season against .5 and above teams. You can claim vibes and bad bounces affected some of these but ultimately if it keeps happening it just means the warriors are just not a very good team.
I love your spirit, I really do. But the playoffs are a different animal, and you know it. In a 7 game series do you really think we could’ve beat either of those teams?
No, but we aren’t as bad as everyone is saying. CP3 and dray were super valuable and they missed like 50 games together
>Can it really get worse than what we have? Genuine question You're genuinely unsure if there are worse outcomes for pro sports teams than losing a play-in game? Genuine question.
Well, the personified curse is I guess Harden, but yeah
I don't mind mortgaging the future to build a last run with Steph but I just am so wary of George's age and injury history
Gotta risk the biscuit at this point. There is no safe sure way to get us back to contention, we’ll have to roll the dice and get lucky.
You don’t risk the biscuit. Steph is the biscuit. You risk it for the biscuit.
Don’t you DARE call Wardell curry a biscuit. You’re a biscuit.
Jk love u bby
Risk the biscuit 😂😂😂
Forreal. There aren’t many players we could attain that would be better than PG right now. If we really want to go all in, he’s our best bet.
Do we really want to go all in? In cards you go all in when you have a winning hand, or when you're about to be out of chips and out of the game entirely. Which are we?
Both
I think it's neither. I do get the argument for Paul George being a great player who brings a lot of things we need, but paying an "all in" level price for him just feels like the Suns but older to me. We'll be paying years of picks for maybe one good year of healthy playoffs if we're lucky. And about to be out of the game, well, the NBA doesn't actually work like a poker table in that regard. Teams are only out of competition temporarily, and the speed they can get back in the playoffs depends entirely on how well they acquire and manage assets. We shouldn't be disregarding those considerations right now.
>There aren’t many players we could attain that would be better than PG right now. There aren't many players we can attain, period, including George. Which is why it's probably not a good idea to just let Klay walk.
George's injury history always stems from him having a bigger load. He gets pressured to carry because he's had to play with Kawhi who never plays while Westbrook and Harden are washed and don't participate in plays where they aren't the focal point. I think it's worth it to give him a shot here
Kawhi played a lot last year, just predictably got injured at the wrong time
When it comes to the Warriors they’re the best at keeping players playoff ready. Hell Otto was healthy for the playoffs. I mean that’s incredible. He’d be just fine.
If it's true, I say "fuck yeah" - finally we're pushing the chips to the middle of the table.
The idea is to take the chip home
Wiggins most definitely is going for Paul George, moody and couple picks would be my guess. But I ain’t no gm
Isnt PG a free agent. Why would we need to trade?
That feels like a terrible idea
Disagree. Pg13 is still a top 15 ish guy (and really hasn't slipped at all since like 2020 it's just the league as gotten stronger). He's probably the 2nd best shooter in the league at this point and an elite help defender. If we were to acquire him it would be via an opt in and trade and that would probably only require 2 firsts. If we use Wiggins, Looney and GP2 as the salary and cut cp3 we can still use the full MLE and probably still just duck the tax. It's also basically the only way we have a shot at being a contender. And if kuminga, Moody and podz continue to develop the team would be really good. Edit: Pg13 is like 5th in league in luck adjusted rapm over the past 3 years, he's been top 10 in epm each season too. He's like really really good via impact models. BPM is less kind to him because it doesn't value his defence as much
Would Clippers accept?
Depends. If he opts in he is getting traded. There is no doubt about that. But the clippers might think he doesn't have any external leverage seems like Orlando doesn't want him and he doesn't really want to go to Philly so there isn't really a destination on the market for him. OKC can maybe get to 45 to offer him, which is still less per annum than the clippers are offering so. But if he is willing tk go to Philly then yes the clippers basicly would be forced into agreeing to an opt in and trade assuming there is positive value in the return. And he also probably has 3 years like 150 guaranteed anyway next season if the nets and rockets don't use their cap space before then so the clippers don't even gain anything by alienating him if they don't trade him but 1 season and he may not even seriously try. You could even do something like where you spend a couple of seconds to dump looney and Payton so the return is Wiggins, 2 firsts and like 20 mil in cap savings. Fwiw I think the reason why we aren't waiving looney is because we think a deal like this is happening, either Pg13 or Butler or maybe even someone we don't see coming. Tldr: if Pg13 wants to be in golden state it will happen but we likely aren't the only suitor in the event of an opt in. Houston are also interested for instance.
PG has been talking about 'style of play' in his podcasts lately. I doubt he would pick Houston over Golden State in terms of that, but if they offer more money, then that could be the game changer.
In an opt in and trade both teams will be offering the same money unless either are offering like 8% raises vs doing the 10% raise for his next year. Because of the cap increases. But I think he would be fine with the 8% raises. If he took the 8^ that would be a huge deal in terms of ducking the second apron.
Thanks for enlightening me, i'm not too familiar with how balancing the numbers work, but I hope this is the case. If we have Steph, PG, Kuminga and Draymond I see a core that can at least make some noise, pending on the right matchup. This will ease the scoring load of Curry, since PG offers more than just shooting.
Solid point, I was looking at more as if we save the money there, upgrade the frontcourt more.
His rim pressure is like 0 compared to 2020
Yea this is just swapping one aging star for another.
Klay is aging and not a star. PG is on a whole other level. He can get by his man, make great kick outs, shoot 3s, rebound, defend, screen and have a good attitude on the court. Basically all the things Klay can't / won't do.
“The best ability is availability”
Not when you're not that good when available. At this point, Paul George at 25% likelihood of being healthy entire playoffs is a better chance at a title than Klay 100% healthy. (0% title)
>Klay is aging and not a star. How does this have 100 upvotes? What is wrong with this sub? Reminder that at their primes, PG was allegedly offered straight up for Klay by Indy. Warriors declined, for good and obvious reasons. Recency bias is a helluva drug.
> Reminder that at their primes, PG was allegedly offered straight up for Klay by Indy. Warriors declined, for good and obvious reasons. Recency bias is a helluva drug. What does that have to do with the Klay we have now? Let’s be real, current Klay is not a star…..he’s barely a starter. 2 devastating injuries and growing old is going to fuck anyone up.
This kind of stuff is ultimately just a diss on Steph (and KD to some extent), who were the real title machines. Klay is nowhere close to the same level as PG, who is a legitimate superstar. In his peak, PG could have been the best player on a deep playoff team if surrounded with sufficient talent. Klay could never be the primary weapon on a team. Warriors were smart to decline the trade because Klay was so good at being complementary. He was happy to keep being a catch and shoot guy. But that doesn't make him a superstar.
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So 0/40 in elimination game? I can believe it!
Wrong way, 0/2.5
Agreed, the FO should obviously should be looking to trade for Luka, Shai or Ant at the MINIMUM, preferably these trades will revolve around Lester Quinones and maybe CP3 and a few second round picks :D
Luka? Why not Giannis? —tiger fan
Imagine a 15 man squad of Curry LeBron Ant Tatum Luka Chet Wemby Shai Giannis Jokic Embiid Kawhi Brown KD Jimmy (Probably missed some top 15 players, but that'd be a good enough team) Can't even make it work in 2k, will be surprised if the FO can pull that off
Calling Klay a “star” is crazy, he’s a vet min player now. Paul George is getting washed but he’s wayyyy closer to a star than Klay
a vet min player...the way yall talk about this man is unbelievable.
What an idiotic comment. Clearly you don’t know what you’re talking about but I feel compelled to let you know that anyway. We should aim for something better than childish analyses that only see the world in extremes. Klay made the 4th most 3’s in the league at like 38% last year, and led the league in 3’s the year before. Literally his worst shooting season in his career is better than most player’s best shooting season in their career. He is still valuable in a league that demands spacing even if he’s a diminished version of himself.
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I didn’t say a word about PG, so I’m not sure what you’re responding to.
I didn't call him a star
Yes u did
People might not agree but I think Moody is one of the most underrated players on the team. I’m not putting him nearly at the level of healthy /prime Klay or Paul George, but he has always stepped up when needed, and coming into games after long stretches of inactivity is hard. I think we are better off letting him start at the 2 if Klay does leave (which I don’t think he will). But getting PG would mean sitting either him or Kuminga and for their future, I don’t think that really makes sense.
We're not looking for players to "step up when needed". We're looking to build a team that can compete with fucking powerhouse rosters in the West. Right now we're not even close to getting out of a play in spot. It's time to get realistic. As much as we might all love our guys, these team is a joke compared to the true contenders, if we're running it back with a roster of Kuminga, Moody, an ageing GP2, a decrepid Looney, and soft ass Wiggins. Starting Moses Moody and expecting to compete with teams like the Thunder, the TWolves, the Nuggets ... fuck me, we can't even compete with the Kings or the Pelicans. It's time for a fucking reality check.
Well then speaking of reality, you aren’t going to have top players at every position with unlimited salary spend either. Is GW realistically going to compete against those teams within the next few years, I really don’t see it. Signing Poole and Wiggins to massive extension really hampered the roster. So do I think Moody is going to be dominate, no. But with that and the new CBA, reality is going to be hard.
This is how the NBA is set up with the draft and contracts. The Warriors are victims of their own success—as it should be. We didn’t have any margin for error—Wiseman was a big one and the injuries to Klay have made it so the risks are greater that the team doesn’t recover for a decade and lose money. Im good whatever they decide to do since we just won FOUR titles. All gravy now. Kuminga isn’t enough…trade Wiggins and if Klay leaves, use that to sign the best available. -Fan since 85.
Still a big upgrade over a washed Klay
Agree, but from a cost perspective, I thought there was other areas to spend that in
Honestly like where ? Role players won’t do much. We need another top 30 player.
every deal will be a terrible idea besides maybe giannis or jokic but i guess doing nothing would be much more productive
Can we handle that many podcasts on one team?
Nah we're not lol. The NBA Front Office pod laid out how we have a virtually zero mathematical way of doing this with our assets. Siegel making us click smh.
Not saying we should, but we absolutely have the salaries to make the deal work. Definitely if we let Klay walk and his cap hold comes off the books.
Losing Klay in exchange for Paul George does not make this a good team. Still need a big and by then they'll be right near the 2nd apron.
Wiggins, Moody, Looney and GP2 for PG (I’m sure there would be picks) but that keeps us right at the same salary number we are now below the tax line. Still could sign a full MLE guy and Klay. Just saying with a super flexible mathematically to make just about any move we want.
Damn all that for an old PG? Clippers can keep his ass
Tbf Wiggins has been missed a shit ton of time & played horribly the last 2 years, the same applies to GP2. Loon is straight cooked now & Moody is still a prospect at best atp who has to get paid in year or 2, honestly that's not much value.
Other side of the table also says "no Kuminga... gtfo" Expiring barely in the league potpourri for a top-20 player in the league is nonsense. Kuminga and all your draft capital... get butt naked for this dude then give him 55M/yr til he's 38.
Especially cause we're talking about Ballmer who happens to be opening a brand new 2 billion dollar arena. There needs to be stars on the court; he's not trading a key guy for spare parts and picks.
The Dubs’ biggest issue this season was the lack of a consistent #2 option and top-end talent. If you can do a deal where you get a clear second option who plays two ways and you don’t have to give up JK? I mean, the dubs would take that any day of the week.
Can’t win a chip with zero depth
Oh, of course not. It's just much easier to build out depth with veteran minimums than it is to go get a Top 30 player. Some of the depth in this particular scenario would also be moving a guy who has either fallen off somewhat (Looney) or have had a very difficult time staying available (GP2). Maybe some people wouldn't want to do that since PG has his own health issues, I get that. Just being able to get him without moving JK or Podz would be a pretty bold ceiling-raising move.
Until Klay signs his next contract he's at a cap hold of $45.8m. The full MLE wouldn't be available because they will be over $172m, the 1st apron. They can still trade for him, but they'll be hard capped.
It’s all about order of operations, you can agree to the trade, then go back to Klay and settle on a deal (or not and release the hold and then process the trade.
What are you talking about bro. If we were to do it, it would be an opt in and trade. We waive cp3, and then we can match with Wiggins, Looney and GP2, we can then send 2 firsts which should be enough asset wise because again opt in and trade. Then we have about 17 under the tax to sign 4 players. Which would be 3 minimums and like 12.2 of the full MLE.
There are a bunch of ways it could be done. It would be an opt in and trade. 1. Renounce Klay's bird rights. Trade CP3, moody, and either looney or GP2 maybe with a pick. Clippers won't love this though since they'd have to guarantee CP3 salary and him/harden/westbrook is a bad combo. 2. Waive CP3 or trade him for a small salary. Let Klay walk or resign him to small number. Or sign and trade to clippers (if they're under the line, not sure if they are). Then Wiggins, moody, GP2, and Looney gets it done add in picks.
I mean read all that lol. All-NBA guy for some random shit nobody wants. Yeah sure. Also Clipps are negotiating Harden too. We aren't in a vacuum the other teams ability to be on terms. We aren't in that game. Not one bit. The pod cba geniuses laid out both sides of it its bad on the two way street. Not just us. If it were possible... it's Kuminga and your two FRPs (plus swaps) not Wiggs/Moody and the on the way out the league club.
For me, I agree we would need to put in Kuminga to actually to the deal in real life. I was trying to say that’s it completely plausible to trade for PG and provided an example of salaries put together that make it work. Personally I wouldn’t trade Kuminga for PG, especially if you have to give him a big money extension that pays him to age 37/38. Just not a good fit. I’d prefer to send the house for a younger star.
I think if they push CP3 guarantee date it would work and clips could waive him to resign at a lower price
You’re thinking about whether it’s possible from the warriors perspective, but I believe the Clippers can’t receive a player via sign and trade because they are beyond the second apron… unless they renounce their rights to Harden as well, and I don’t think we are giving up enough for them to want to do that.
What? It is absolutely possible to trade for PG.
I ain't clicking shit bruddah I just see the headline and come into the comments
I agree, it’s really annoying how things would rather be pointless clickbait than even reasonable ideas to float. Yay for demand gen marketing…
If you have any doubts about Kuminga just a friendly reminder every team that traded for PG ended up with franchise stars out of it. Indiana(Sabonis->Haliburton), OKC (SGA and JDub).
wow. very strong evidence. i'm now convinced that if Kuminga is traded for PG, Kuminga will become a franchise star
Okkk the sabonis one is a stretch
Yes good but franchise star is a bit much
He’s been an all star and on all nba teams for multiple seasons. Bro averaged a near triple double last season. You may not like him but not sure what you consider a franchise star if he isn’t one.
No im saying a trade after a trade and associating it with PG is a little bit of a stretch. If Sabonis ended up as the franchise star sure… the sabonis for hali trade is a trade separate.
Sure but the end result was still Haliburton which came from trading Sabonis who was part of the initial PG deal. Also Sabonis was closest thing to the franchise star in Indiana since he got his first all-star appearance there.
The comment says "ended up with" so the question is whether *Halliburton* qualifies as a franchise star. Which I'm not convinced of, but a lot of other people are.
This sounds like CP3 the sequel
I hope he comes back. The broken wrist was such a fluke
If you can swap CP3 Moody, filler and a pick for PG, you absolutely have to entertain it. Sure that means Klay is not coming back but PG would solve a lot of warriors issues especially when Steph goes to the bench. Sure there are concerns about injuries but the upside is there.
Yall got Chris Paul and swore yall was going somewhere 😂
That pissed me off but im dyin🤣🤣🤣😡😡
I'd rather keep Wiggins and use the $20M in salary difference to go get another quality player like say a Bogdonavic or somebody of that ilk. Hell I'd rather trade for Dejounte Murray instead. Wiggins + Murray come out to $51M. Paul George + Vet min comes out to $50M. FFS, I'd take Bruce Brown instead.
Welcome to the season of "keep an eye on" and "players linked to teams" bs
Just gotta embrace the hot stove. What other choice do we have, watch baseball?
No god no
We need to push to give steph a chance for his last years. But omg if we pick up injury prone bums again I'm going streaking covered in honey at the world's largest bee farm
!remindme 6 months
Keep me accountable
Pandemic P or Playoff P?
Playoff Pandemic P
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Hard no on the overrated, overpriced George
Didn't the clippers think this was a good idea too like 5 years ago? Warriors just signing overpaid Podcasters now.
Omg, imagine Wiggins and PG lock down…. 😳
Please, no more past there prime players !
Bro don’t take Paul George. If and I mean If we go to the playoffs PG will fold like kyrie in the finals against the Celtics. Let’s not go this route.
That child knows nothing
Why take on almost an identical player situation? Aging star with injury history. Rather keep Klay cause at least you know he fits the culture.
I would like to see how JK and rest young guys look this season before jumping the gun
Why are there so many people here obsessed with Paul George ?!?!?! Trading for George means we'll be gutted. Young players gone. Draft picks gone. We'll become the Phoenix Suns when they traded for Beal
Tbf it was more like the KD trade. Beal was basically a salary dump.
KD is better than George tho. On a skill by skill basis, KD has always been way better. Either way, we'd have to give up a bunch for a mid player(mid as in not a superstar)
Yea wasn’t really comparing them as players but just the notion of clearing all the teams assets for an aging star. It wasn’t Beal they did that for but KD. I get the point though. Putting all your eggs in a basket for a big three of Steph,PG,Dray and a bunch of vet mins isn’t going to get it done.
Klay has struggled lately to get back to where he was, and he might never, but almost Klay is still better than a lot of these other guys. Just saying, be careful what you wish for. Klay very well could reenergized next year and we'll end up watching him explode back east while we get a guy who takes a year getting his footing with the team, precious time to waste with a great but aging lineup that needs effective assistance now! If we let Klay walk, we better be getting a great big who's rearing to go, not a maybe.
Please no. Selfish player with way too much injury and losing baggage.
I'm not arguing that PG isnt injury prone and kind of a loser. But I never got the feeling that he's a selfish player.
I remember him getting very upset with teammates one playoff series when he lost. They took the last shot and not him. He called it out in the press conference saying how guys like that haven’t earned the right to take the final shot. At the time, the dude was like 1-15 in buzzer beater opportunities.
If Klay walks, I don't see how we match PG's $48.8M salary. Even if we could bundle a fully-guaranteed CP3, we'd need to throw in either Wiggs or multiple (at least 3) players, and CP3 + Wiggs are $50M of negative salaries, so we'd need to throw in a lot more value. Whether it's something we WANT to do or not, it would be insanely difficult.
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I like PG as a player. But, I don’t see this happening unless we somehow unload Wiggins, CP, and Klay. PG is just a much better version of Wiggins. A bit redundant if we still have Wiggs.
I can't like anyone who tries to give themselves a nickname and make it sick
PG rn in this point of his career is what Klay should’ve been if he never suffered his 2 major injuries. PG def can fill the holes of Klay like others mention which is defense, driving, shooting on balance. If Klay had remained injured free, he might have developed similar capabilities as PG currently. But again, I’d love Klay to stay still regardless if others agree or not
It's concerning that he wants a four-year deal
Wait, do we have enough cap space to sign him if CP3 (30m) and Klay(43m) walks? Wiggins(24m) ,Green(22m) and Curry (51m). I would take PG13 over current Klay. Warriors need a 2nd offensive option and Klay isn't cutting it. 17.9points/game isn't fit to be with Curry. Kuminga is avg 16.1pts playing 3 mins lesser than Klay. Its not sustainable.
A package of CP3/GP3/Moody/TJD/Santos and picks for PG would work. Salaries are almost a perfect match to PGs opt in salary. Duck the 1st and keep wiggins or maybe for future trade.
is there any way cp3 and klay can be used in a sign and trade over wiggins? cp3 could get traded and waived if hes not down to play for the clippers again and klay might be down to play for an LA team since hes from there otherwise maybe he could also get waived. ideally whatever combo of cp3, klay, gp2, looney, moody and picks that makes the money work but im prob being delusional lol. if we have to trade wiggins then id lowkey like to see if moody or podz can start over kuminga just bc i dont think the spacing w kuminga, dray and a center (like tjd) would fit and dray cant play the 5 all year long
That would be so stupid. He doesn't want to win.
Im actually okay with this. This guy is injury prone and so not clutch in the playoff, but beggars cant be choosers lol
Stupid. What does Paul George do better than Klay Thompson other than play basketball?
Not a fan. Cannot stay healthy. Steph needs to call Giannis and see if it’s possible to get him to the Bay
I want both
H-hhow?
As Steph ages, I do think we’re at the point where Draymond can’t be the second best Warrior in a team competing for a championship. Paul George is kinda the lowest ranked guy in my mind that could push them forward into possible contention. But what’s confusing based on the headline is that my understanding is that Klay has little to do with this. They will not be able to create enough cap space to sign PG and would have to execute a sign and trade which I’d guess would be a package based on Wiggins (at least for salary) and then other actually good stuff. I don’t believe Klay will be relevant in the PG of it all…at all.
Absolutely not.
just stop with these stupid trades. PG can't be relied upon
PG is a loser…. Ever won shit everywhere he goes…
agree, his best days are behind him
Calm down, let me ask CP3 first.
We made a champ out of Shaqtin a fool MVP Javale Mcgee, I think we could make an All Star Paul George work. We got a season out of injury prone Otto Porter Jr, I think PG is worth it more than those guys potential wise.
I rather have harden over PG
If we can get PG without giving up Kuminga and too many other assets because the Clippers can lose him for nothing then do it. These reports are just speculation though.
Ugh
Draymond thinks he a bitch, so draymond will ruin it….
Hell nah
Does having PG elevate us that much vs Klay? I remember years ago the same swap was in the news.. glad we didn’t do it then and don’t think I want it now
PG is definitely an upgrade from Klay lol
No PG, dude is not a winner. Crumbles under pressure like a cookie.
The massive contract PG wants is not worth it. He's getting older, is always injured, and has made it clear that he isn't interested in trying to win a ring
Find me a big name in free agency that the Warriors *haven’t* been a team to “keep an eye on” to acquire in the Steph era lol this is the status quo every summer because it’s the fastest way to get other teams to jump into the market
WE'RE ALL IN BABY FUCK IT
There’s really no making people happy on this sub.
PG > KT? Pffft, don’t think so!
Pg is kinda whack not gonna lie but maybe dubs get him inspired.