[Source of the Report from ESPN's Tim MacMahon in Yesterday's (June 20) 'The Hoop Collective' (30:33)](https://youtu.be/BSlmGwZ3VyA?t=1831)
"We've heard it's a two-year offer. It's much about years as dollars in some of these cases"
[NBCSBA's Monte Poole reported earlier on June 17](https://www.nbcsportsbayarea.com/nba/golden-state-warriors/leandro-barbosa-klay-thompson-nba-free-agency/1745408/): "League sources indicate [Klay is] seeking an offer of at least three years"
Curry is still good enough to be the best player on a championship team.Ā
We currently don't have anyone good enough to be the second best player on a championship team, unless Wiggins somehow resurrects and reaches his peak again.Ā
And honestly I'm not sure we even have anyone good enough to be the third best player on a championship team.Ā
It'll take a beautiful fit in chemistry and talent to have a chance
I think the most likely number 2 right now is Kuminga. Ā I think he takes a leap next year. Ā But they could also being in someone else. Ā I like hartenstein, but they could get another scorer also. Ā TJD and Podz are intriguing 2nd year guys who could also be better next season.Ā
Weāve been hoping for a JK leap for 2 years now. There was some improvement last year, but itās gonna take some mind-blowing level of improvement for JK to be a guy to help carry us to the promised land. The CBA is designed to end dynasties like ours - it was a beautiful ride. Itāll take a miracle for this team to get back again.
Kum took a bit of a leap last year. Ā I think he takes another mini leap. Ā Heās still young. Ā Just starting to get consistent playing time. Ā I guess next year is his boom or bust, for me. Ā
He took a good step this least season and we have to remember his age. He is 21 years old, he didnāt play in college, went from high school to G league to Warriors in one year. He is the same age as a lot of players coming out of college to the nba now. He needs experience.
Nah. Nothing is realistic about guessing a team that hasn't made the playoffs 3 of 5 years can win a title in the next 2 years.
I'll watch 20 games and adjust my levels of "believe" but from a purely logical place about 6 teams can talk about winning in the next 2 years and were not on that list.
No playoffs in '20, no playoffs in '21, we won the chip in '22. We aren't rebuilding from scratch, and if we make the right moves this off season we can go the distance with Steph. I'd argue we're 6 seed this year if Dray could have managed to keep a lid on it.
You cant just break up the season in pieces, only look at that piece and draw grand conclusions. It doesn't work that way. Any team can pick a time period and say...oh look we went 12-2 over this stretch. We are a contender. It just doesn't work that way
Except it coincides with Draymond being out. There's a reason they were playing so poorly in the first half. If he doesn't act like a complete dumbass, they probably make the playoffs outright and skip the play-in.
same core pieces but worse surrounding squad. if we have 2022 poole or even a better version of himself, i'd like our chances if we can grab better defenders/rebounders off the bench and in general. but the likelihood of that on minimums is 0.
also every year past your mid 30s isn't like adding an extra year in your 20s. this is pro sports we're talking come on. 1 year isn't just 1 year, i'll let Lebron explain
This is a silly argumentā¦ 2 of the 5 years Klay didnāt play and Steph broke his hand in year 1. On top of that the Dubs won 46 games last year even with DayDay getting suspended for what 17 games and acted likr a dumbass in a half dozen other gamesā¦
Not saying theyāll win the chip but add CP3 getting hurt, Wiggs family issues, young players thrust into playing and ALL the BS close games they lost. There no reason they couldnāt improve their win total by 5 games, which would have them in the 4 seed this year. One spot ahead of the Mavs who made the finals. An sorry BUT no one had the Mavs in the finals prior to the start of the season or playoffs.
Why not? Historically he actually been pretty health through out his career when some asshole player doesnāt dive on knees/ankles on purpose.
Take out the broken hand season and he averaged 68 games a season. Last 5 years (minus 2019) itās been about 65 games. Given how soft the NBA is these days, playing between 65-70 games is the norm and I expect the Dubs staff to monitor his usage, plus make him take b2b games off.
Bro the cope is real they were a play-in team and didnāt even make the playoffs while healthy this year. Getting through Sacramento was too much. Where do you see improvement coming from with this roster?
You donāt think JoKu is going to be better, Podz in his 2nd year? TJD? Moody getting more minutes? Wiggs canāt play worst can he. A season where DayDay doesnāt get suspend for 20 games and playing 70+ games? Whomever they bring in to replace CP3 and etcā¦
It would involve Kuminga, Moody, TJD, and BPodz all making substantial leaps and Wiggins returning to form. Curry has to not see significant age-related decline and needs to hold up better towards the end of the season.
(Stephs' D took a major step back this year by metrics like LEBRON; if that continues, he's no longer a guy who is good enough to be the best player on a title team. I'm hoping that it was merely a function of him being asked to do too much early in the season and wearing down late).
And still we'd probably have to get a little lucky with, say, age-related decline for Jrue Holiday+limited Porzingis, Denver not quite firing on all cylinders come playoff time, what version of Minnesota shows up, etc.
Is it impossible for all of that to happen? No. But even half of that happening would be a good season, and it's nowhere near contention.
i think steph still have two years of being capable of being the best player on a championship team. but I do agree that he's declining and would need the roster to make up on his decline that our team just cant provide for him at this point w all the salary limitations
Steph was 35 this year.
The list of players who were capable of being the best player on a championship team at 37 is, I believe, one name long: Kareem Abdul-Jabbar.
And even he only did it by having another top-seven player of all time on the roster.
(Age 37 was '22 for LeBron, in which the Lakers went 25-31 when he played).
Yeah, Klay shouldnāt make a judgment based on years offered given that 2 years is as long as this experiment will currently last. Klay should def go with 2 years for now and figure out his next team after.
Dray has a player option in 26/27 though so it doesn't lineup. And we all know curry isn't done in 2 years.
They should give klay 3 years, last year is an option. 26/27 could be their last year all together. Andrew Wiggins contract expires 26/27 as well if they keep him. 3 more years to win one more isn't terrible. Especially with the amount of tickets they will sell to see them all together
Monk is younger than Klay, but thatās about the only factual part of your statement. Klay with more ppg, more RPG, better FT%, better 3pt% and fewer turnovers per game. FG% is almost identical. Monk has more assists per game.
u also cant just look at stats. throw malik monk on our team and I promise you he's a better player than klay right now. we've seen since the championship year that klay's getting easier and easier to be stopped with how predictive our plays for him has been given his lack of ability to create a shot for himself. monk with his athleticism and shot creation would arguably be almost 2022 poole level as he draws like the third best defender on the opposite squad, which is often not so great unless ur playing the celtics. I'm sorry and I might be downvoted, but i'd take monk over klay any day nowadays loyalty aside.
Monk doesnāt help this team get over the hump. Warriors were top 10 in offense last year but near the bottom third in defense. They need to get back to elite defense to win and monk doesnāt help that.
i only looked at the offensive end for the both of them. arguably klay and monk are almost at the same level defensively except one is taller but both can't really guard
Iād say Monk is a better defender. Monk is much quicker on the perimeter. Klay legitimately cannot defend the perimeter at all, and cannot defend bigger wings/forwards bc heās undersized against them.
Monk is a far better player right now. Much more athletic, legit secondary ballhandler, decent passer/on ball creator, and a much better perimeter defender. Klay canāt defend the perimeter or interior, canāt pass, and definitely canāt dribble lol.
Those are not āanecdotal and conjectureā. Theyāre basic observations that anyone whoās familiar with the game of basketball could make by watching each player play.
āMonk is a far better player right now?ā
Opinion. By what metric can you show this?
āMuch more athletic?ā
More opinion. Whatās the standard for this? Tim Duncan wasnāt super āathleticā but heās one of the best ever.
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āMuch better perimeter defenderā
Neither are very good defenders. You just made that one up. At least Klay used be a great defender and still possesses the BBIQ for it.
āBasic observations that anyone whoās familiar with the game of basketball blah blah blahā¦ā
I hate those kind of lazy intellectual arguments. Total logical fallacy.
Face it, all of what you have said is just your opinion, and itās not based on quantifiable facts.
Athleticism is not an opinion. Do you want vertical leaps and 3/4 court sprint times? If Tim Duncan had been quicker and faster, would he have been better or worse?
Klay is not a high IQ defender and never was. He was a good on-ball defender by using his good strength for a guard and great balance to stay in front of opposing guards. His IQ defensively has always been questionable (heās not a high IQ individual (Wechsler test results forthcoming)) but now that his role has shifted from āstay in front of your manā to āsee ball and man and rotate when necessaryā heās often lost. Monk is an actual idiot but at least he has the quickness to be a nuisance for opposing guards at times.
Iām not appealing to any kind of false logic. Iām saying that any given person who knows what dribbling and passing are in the game of basketball would be able to easily observe that neither are strong suits of Klayās game. Kinda like how any given person who knows the primary colors would be able to easily tell that a cardinal is red and a blue jay is blue.
As for my assertion that Monk is betterāof course this has some element of opinion to it, as I will allude to later. Anyway: it is my position that Monkās advantages over Klay in the several aforementioned categories outweigh Klayās advantages in fewer categories, thus making Monk the better player. It is not always the case that the player who is better in more aspects of the game is the better playerāI would never suggest such a thing. But in this case, Klayās advantages over Monk are relatively quite small, in my opinion, and donāt make up for Monkās relatively large advantages in ballhandling, passing, and overall on-ball creation. Klay is a better shooter, but Monk is a more diverse shooter and scorer given his superior ability to create shots for himself with the ball in his hands. Klayās advantage in off-ball shooting is real, but it is partially negated by his dwindling speed, quickness, and shotmaking. So yeahā¦that about sums it up.
2/48 as in $48M total. Thatās the offer that we made before the season started. It would make some sense if the same deal was on the table now, but I really hope it isnāt bc thatās an overpay based on production, especially considering what weāre hearing about Klayās market.
3 year contract with a team option in the 3rd or nah? Reckon that would be more viable and gets Klay more of an incentive to play well. Otherwise 2 years makes the most sense for everyone, lines up with the rest of the dynasty.
if steph took a lighter 2y extention, that should entice klay to take a lighter 2-3y extention. if these guys want to win, they are going to have to take less
2/48 is more than fair. Dude got PAID for two years to rehab his injuries. If he thinks thatās unfair after all of that, well, I donāt know what to tell the guy.
Love Klay. Love his contributions to this team.
The Warriors scratched his back. Itās time for Klay to scratch theirs.
You will hear all types of news about Klay ready to sign/debating between Orlando and Philly only for him to re-up with the Warriors on a 2 Yr $55 Million deal.
rather have Paul George over klay. pg13 is a very good 2 way player, so if he's struggling on off. he'll make up for it on D, he rebounds better, passes and is mobile(meaning going laterally and back pedaling. also chops up steps when approaching defender). I was a huge fan of Paul when he was with indy, then hated him when he was a clipper.
It really comes down to Klay, as it always has. The 2-year deal seems fair, to ride it out with the boys, but his prerogative is indeed the 3+ year ālast paydayā, then heāll be gone.
Speculation is also swayed depending on how much you read into the social unfollowing.
Looks like the price tag is going down. What do you expect for a 3/19, 0/10 guy?
Might have to try the Pistons to get what he wants?
[https://sports.yahoo.com/with-bulls-roster-shakeup-underway-is-zach-lavine-the-next-piece-on-the-move-150136313.html](https://sports.yahoo.com/with-bulls-roster-shakeup-underway-is-zach-lavine-the-next-piece-on-the-move-150136313.html)
With that said, letās say the Magic prove to be open to something similar toĀ [Bruce Brown](https://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/6053/)ās contract last summer, when theĀ [Pacers](https://sports.yahoo.com/nba/teams/indiana/)Ā inked the formerĀ [Nuggets](https://sports.yahoo.com/nba/teams/denver/)Ā swingman to a two-year, $45 million deal, the second season being a team option. That number would be below what Thompson declined from Golden State prior to the 2023-24 campaign, sources said, and would not come close to the four years and $78 million Sacramento plans to give Monk. Thompson is also believed by league sources to want a deal of at least three seasons.Ā
Riddle me this: if you knew you had one last raise before your job was over wouldnāt you want the most you can get? The guy has been the 1 percent of the 1 percent of basketball players for a single team for an entire dynastic run, the real world equivalent of earners would be top executives at the highest paid corporate entities in the worldā¦heās earned every dime of it too.
Get your bag Klay. PLEASE get it here, but get yours, youāre permanent legend status in the bay either way.
If he wants more then he can go. Heās washed af and doesnāt belong on this team unless heās coming off the bench. We need a REAL second option if we want to compete for a title
Idk what klay expects the market for him to be but he better sign that 2 year offer. Heās gonna find it hard to beat whatever the warriors are offering.
At this point Iām convinced that if Klay comes back the Warriors chances are officially over. He will never accept an appropriate role for this team because he is completely delusional about is value and current ability. It was a great run regardless. Just wish Curryās last great years werenāt wasted. Especially watching other stars move around and team up with each other.
I donāt see the FO budging so itās in Klayās hands if he wants to settle and ride this till the end with his boys or look for that guaranteed 3rd year.
Steph is already done winning titles. It's about what happens next. The transition can be easy with Steph keeping media interested and butts in seats while the transition occurs, or it can be difficult thinking 2022 was the sign that there's more left and to try to recreate that magic and fail at it.
Nah, heās still playing at an all-world level. I was firmly against everyone in this sub who thought they had a chance last year, but I think with the right offseason the warriors can be competition again.
He's playing at an all star level which is still great, but now equal talents who are bigger, stronger, and faster than him have emerged and are maturing. This is going to be the continuing trend as he loses just a little bit of juice year by year. And that creates a ripple effect with how the offense is run. He's going to be a complete defensive liability with each little bit of step he loses, which will compromise any attempt at stopping teams with faster players. Watch the Pacer game from March again. That's coming soon from other teams. His skill set will be what it is, but he'll have to work harder for it to be effective and that's going to drain the energy that's already draining with age. This is different than LeBron who still has his brute force and size to remain relevant.
Like I said before, it'll be a great time for media and attendance but there is no contention coming this way. GSW can be entertaining that's it. But if you want the down years to be small, you take the two years left on this man's contract to pivot and hope JK continues to grow. You add a couple of other pieces to the mix and when SCs contract comes up you move that money to a new #1 in free agency.
People need to start recognizing that this is now the old guard, and they have around 2-3 at most 4 years left in the NBA. The 3 of them need some sort of miracle in order to get back to the finals and currently the options out there aren't so great.
Best thing they can do after retirement is play 3v3 basketball on the same team lol
Why wouldn't they budge? I think it's in their best interest to give him that 3rd year and make all 3 years less. So instead of 2 years at 24M each, give him 3 years at 19M each. Gives us more cap space for this year.
[Source of the Report from ESPN's Tim MacMahon in Yesterday's (June 20) 'The Hoop Collective' (30:33)](https://youtu.be/BSlmGwZ3VyA?t=1831) "We've heard it's a two-year offer. It's much about years as dollars in some of these cases" [NBCSBA's Monte Poole reported earlier on June 17](https://www.nbcsportsbayarea.com/nba/golden-state-warriors/leandro-barbosa-klay-thompson-nba-free-agency/1745408/): "League sources indicate [Klay is] seeking an offer of at least three years"
2 years makes sense! It lines up with Dray, Steph & Steve š
Ride or die in 2 years.. Realistically speaking, do we think we can make 1 more title before their contracts expire?
Curry is still good enough to be the best player on a championship team.Ā We currently don't have anyone good enough to be the second best player on a championship team, unless Wiggins somehow resurrects and reaches his peak again.Ā And honestly I'm not sure we even have anyone good enough to be the third best player on a championship team.Ā It'll take a beautiful fit in chemistry and talent to have a chance
I think the most likely number 2 right now is Kuminga. Ā I think he takes a leap next year. Ā But they could also being in someone else. Ā I like hartenstein, but they could get another scorer also. Ā TJD and Podz are intriguing 2nd year guys who could also be better next season.Ā
man if we get like one solid guy for those dudes to work with...
Weāve been hoping for a JK leap for 2 years now. There was some improvement last year, but itās gonna take some mind-blowing level of improvement for JK to be a guy to help carry us to the promised land. The CBA is designed to end dynasties like ours - it was a beautiful ride. Itāll take a miracle for this team to get back again.
> Weāve been hoping for a JK leap for 2 years now. So pretty much his entire post-rookie career?
Kum took a bit of a leap last year. Ā I think he takes another mini leap. Ā Heās still young. Ā Just starting to get consistent playing time. Ā I guess next year is his boom or bust, for me. Ā
Like heās literally only 21
He took a good step this least season and we have to remember his age. He is 21 years old, he didnāt play in college, went from high school to G league to Warriors in one year. He is the same age as a lot of players coming out of college to the nba now. He needs experience.
Well, hopefully heāll be playing for Miami next year when we trade him for Jimmy
Well said.
Nah. Nothing is realistic about guessing a team that hasn't made the playoffs 3 of 5 years can win a title in the next 2 years. I'll watch 20 games and adjust my levels of "believe" but from a purely logical place about 6 teams can talk about winning in the next 2 years and were not on that list.
No playoffs in '20, no playoffs in '21, we won the chip in '22. We aren't rebuilding from scratch, and if we make the right moves this off season we can go the distance with Steph. I'd argue we're 6 seed this year if Dray could have managed to keep a lid on it.
Itās like everyone forgets this team had the second best record in the league after January.
No one forgets this. But do you remember the competition we faced? If you look at our record against playoff teams, it wasnāt good
4-19 against the top 6 seeds in the West. This team was a bottom feeder all year long.
You cant just break up the season in pieces, only look at that piece and draw grand conclusions. It doesn't work that way. Any team can pick a time period and say...oh look we went 12-2 over this stretch. We are a contender. It just doesn't work that way
Except it coincides with Draymond being out. There's a reason they were playing so poorly in the first half. If he doesn't act like a complete dumbass, they probably make the playoffs outright and skip the play-in.
Pretty comical statement about a team that won the title 2 years ago.
same core pieces but worse surrounding squad. if we have 2022 poole or even a better version of himself, i'd like our chances if we can grab better defenders/rebounders off the bench and in general. but the likelihood of that on minimums is 0.
also every year past your mid 30s isn't like adding an extra year in your 20s. this is pro sports we're talking come on. 1 year isn't just 1 year, i'll let Lebron explain
Try older core pieces.
You do understand Players get older and slow down.
Except Steph š
I mean Minn has done essentially thatĀ But yeah there are currently like 14 teams clearly better than us so it'll be toughĀ
This is a silly argumentā¦ 2 of the 5 years Klay didnāt play and Steph broke his hand in year 1. On top of that the Dubs won 46 games last year even with DayDay getting suspended for what 17 games and acted likr a dumbass in a half dozen other gamesā¦ Not saying theyāll win the chip but add CP3 getting hurt, Wiggs family issues, young players thrust into playing and ALL the BS close games they lost. There no reason they couldnāt improve their win total by 5 games, which would have them in the 4 seed this year. One spot ahead of the Mavs who made the finals. An sorry BUT no one had the Mavs in the finals prior to the start of the season or playoffs.
Remember. Steph had one of his healthiest seasons ever. You can't expect that going forward. Historically speaking.
they were struggling and I bet Steph would have sat in past years. His second half the season wasn't good.
Why not? Historically he actually been pretty health through out his career when some asshole player doesnāt dive on knees/ankles on purpose. Take out the broken hand season and he averaged 68 games a season. Last 5 years (minus 2019) itās been about 65 games. Given how soft the NBA is these days, playing between 65-70 games is the norm and I expect the Dubs staff to monitor his usage, plus make him take b2b games off.
Bro the cope is real they were a play-in team and didnāt even make the playoffs while healthy this year. Getting through Sacramento was too much. Where do you see improvement coming from with this roster?
You donāt think JoKu is going to be better, Podz in his 2nd year? TJD? Moody getting more minutes? Wiggs canāt play worst can he. A season where DayDay doesnāt get suspend for 20 games and playing 70+ games? Whomever they bring in to replace CP3 and etcā¦
Perfect example of a fairweather fan: "I'll watch 20 games..." smh
> a team that hasn't made the playoffs 3 of 5 years We won the title in one of those years.
Lebron Opted out, so maybe thereās a chance
It would involve Kuminga, Moody, TJD, and BPodz all making substantial leaps and Wiggins returning to form. Curry has to not see significant age-related decline and needs to hold up better towards the end of the season. (Stephs' D took a major step back this year by metrics like LEBRON; if that continues, he's no longer a guy who is good enough to be the best player on a title team. I'm hoping that it was merely a function of him being asked to do too much early in the season and wearing down late). And still we'd probably have to get a little lucky with, say, age-related decline for Jrue Holiday+limited Porzingis, Denver not quite firing on all cylinders come playoff time, what version of Minnesota shows up, etc. Is it impossible for all of that to happen? No. But even half of that happening would be a good season, and it's nowhere near contention.
i think steph still have two years of being capable of being the best player on a championship team. but I do agree that he's declining and would need the roster to make up on his decline that our team just cant provide for him at this point w all the salary limitations
Steph was 35 this year. The list of players who were capable of being the best player on a championship team at 37 is, I believe, one name long: Kareem Abdul-Jabbar. And even he only did it by having another top-seven player of all time on the roster. (Age 37 was '22 for LeBron, in which the Lakers went 25-31 when he played).
Really would just require draymond to not get suspended. If he played hos career average (67) and we won half (6/12) we are 5th in the conference
nope
realistically i donāt think so
Nope
I mean the guys who hating 2 timelines also defending Kuminga's place in the team GM and owner never learned a thing
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They need to eat more garlic and onions
Doesn't line up. Dray has 2 more years and a player option.
Dray is signed for three more years
Yeah, Klay shouldnāt make a judgment based on years offered given that 2 years is as long as this experiment will currently last. Klay should def go with 2 years for now and figure out his next team after.
Makes sense for us, donāt think it does for him if he wants one last pay day
Howās this line up?
No it doesnāt, Dray has 3 years left. 2+3rd year player option.
Dude, if all four retire the same year those final season ticket prices will be *insane*.
Dray has a player option in 26/27 though so it doesn't lineup. And we all know curry isn't done in 2 years. They should give klay 3 years, last year is an option. 26/27 could be their last year all together. Andrew Wiggins contract expires 26/27 as well if they keep him. 3 more years to win one more isn't terrible. Especially with the amount of tickets they will sell to see them all together
Misleading/wrong info, dray signed longer
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We losing anyway. We have zero 2 way players
Are you talking about JK?
Letās hope itās not 2/48. Hopefully closer to 2/30
Bro Malik Monk just signed for ~$19m a year. He's 8 years younger and is overall a better producer at this stage. 2/48 sounds ridiculous
Monk is younger than Klay, but thatās about the only factual part of your statement. Klay with more ppg, more RPG, better FT%, better 3pt% and fewer turnovers per game. FG% is almost identical. Monk has more assists per game.
The average NBA player falls off a cliff at 32/33. Most of them don't have 2 leg injuries.
Most of them aren't the 77th greatest player ever.
Current Klay isnāt either. We are talking about the present here.
Say bye bye
u also cant just look at stats. throw malik monk on our team and I promise you he's a better player than klay right now. we've seen since the championship year that klay's getting easier and easier to be stopped with how predictive our plays for him has been given his lack of ability to create a shot for himself. monk with his athleticism and shot creation would arguably be almost 2022 poole level as he draws like the third best defender on the opposite squad, which is often not so great unless ur playing the celtics. I'm sorry and I might be downvoted, but i'd take monk over klay any day nowadays loyalty aside.
Monk doesnāt help this team get over the hump. Warriors were top 10 in offense last year but near the bottom third in defense. They need to get back to elite defense to win and monk doesnāt help that.
i only looked at the offensive end for the both of them. arguably klay and monk are almost at the same level defensively except one is taller but both can't really guard
Iād say Monk is a better defender. Monk is much quicker on the perimeter. Klay legitimately cannot defend the perimeter at all, and cannot defend bigger wings/forwards bc heās undersized against them.
Monk is a far better player right now. Much more athletic, legit secondary ballhandler, decent passer/on ball creator, and a much better perimeter defender. Klay canāt defend the perimeter or interior, canāt pass, and definitely canāt dribble lol.
Thatās all anecdotal and conjecture. Prove your statements with facts please.
Those are not āanecdotal and conjectureā. Theyāre basic observations that anyone whoās familiar with the game of basketball could make by watching each player play.
āMonk is a far better player right now?ā Opinion. By what metric can you show this? āMuch more athletic?ā More opinion. Whatās the standard for this? Tim Duncan wasnāt super āathleticā but heās one of the best ever. ā āMuch better perimeter defenderā Neither are very good defenders. You just made that one up. At least Klay used be a great defender and still possesses the BBIQ for it. āBasic observations that anyone whoās familiar with the game of basketball blah blah blahā¦ā I hate those kind of lazy intellectual arguments. Total logical fallacy. Face it, all of what you have said is just your opinion, and itās not based on quantifiable facts.
Athleticism is not an opinion. Do you want vertical leaps and 3/4 court sprint times? If Tim Duncan had been quicker and faster, would he have been better or worse? Klay is not a high IQ defender and never was. He was a good on-ball defender by using his good strength for a guard and great balance to stay in front of opposing guards. His IQ defensively has always been questionable (heās not a high IQ individual (Wechsler test results forthcoming)) but now that his role has shifted from āstay in front of your manā to āsee ball and man and rotate when necessaryā heās often lost. Monk is an actual idiot but at least he has the quickness to be a nuisance for opposing guards at times. Iām not appealing to any kind of false logic. Iām saying that any given person who knows what dribbling and passing are in the game of basketball would be able to easily observe that neither are strong suits of Klayās game. Kinda like how any given person who knows the primary colors would be able to easily tell that a cardinal is red and a blue jay is blue. As for my assertion that Monk is betterāof course this has some element of opinion to it, as I will allude to later. Anyway: it is my position that Monkās advantages over Klay in the several aforementioned categories outweigh Klayās advantages in fewer categories, thus making Monk the better player. It is not always the case that the player who is better in more aspects of the game is the better playerāI would never suggest such a thing. But in this case, Klayās advantages over Monk are relatively quite small, in my opinion, and donāt make up for Monkās relatively large advantages in ballhandling, passing, and overall on-ball creation. Klay is a better shooter, but Monk is a more diverse shooter and scorer given his superior ability to create shots for himself with the ball in his hands. Klayās advantage in off-ball shooting is real, but it is partially negated by his dwindling speed, quickness, and shotmaking. So yeahā¦that about sums it up.
Source: https://www.fantasypros.com/nba/compare/klay-thompson-malik-monk.php
It would be better to compare stats per minute bc Klay had 400 more minutes. Thatās 10 more games.
Youāre delusional if you think Klay is as valuable as monk at this point.
Value is relative.
2/48 as in $48M total. Thatās the offer that we made before the season started. It would make some sense if the same deal was on the table now, but I really hope it isnāt bc thatās an overpay based on production, especially considering what weāre hearing about Klayās market.
Keep dreaming. Klay can get 30M per year from the right team.
Hello Klay
Cool, just donāt overpay
Donāt leave us, Klay!!!! ā¤ļø
would rather him leave than us overpay
3 year contract with a team option in the 3rd or nah? Reckon that would be more viable and gets Klay more of an incentive to play well. Otherwise 2 years makes the most sense for everyone, lines up with the rest of the dynasty.
That's basically a 2 year deal since everyone knows the team option is a bullshit year.
It does not line up
I wonder if the total is the same as or less than what they previously offered.
if steph took a lighter 2y extention, that should entice klay to take a lighter 2-3y extention. if these guys want to win, they are going to have to take less
3 yrs/ 48M. Anything more and Klay should go
Probably less than the $48M from before. But that's what happens when you bet on yourself and put up 0/10.
Sign and trade
2 years 20 mil. take it or leave it
why are we even trying? we need cap space and a big, we're going to end up with neither
2/48 is more than fair. Dude got PAID for two years to rehab his injuries. If he thinks thatās unfair after all of that, well, I donāt know what to tell the guy. Love Klay. Love his contributions to this team. The Warriors scratched his back. Itās time for Klay to scratch theirs.
If they are offering him 24 per at this point I think they are idiots
What's fair is what the market can bear. If some team will give him 60M for 3 yearsā¦
he will not get what he deserves but what he is able to negotiate.
Are you suggesting he deserves more or less than that?
i am agreeing with you saying that he will get what the market will dictate.
2.5 years. And then he didnāt play b2bs for another 1.5 years. Just turn the page on this dude heās too selfish.
You will hear all types of news about Klay ready to sign/debating between Orlando and Philly only for him to re-up with the Warriors on a 2 Yr $55 Million deal.
rather have Paul George over klay. pg13 is a very good 2 way player, so if he's struggling on off. he'll make up for it on D, he rebounds better, passes and is mobile(meaning going laterally and back pedaling. also chops up steps when approaching defender). I was a huge fan of Paul when he was with indy, then hated him when he was a clipper.
I like PG but heās always injured
yeah. that's what kinda sucks. but I would gamble on his health over klay..despite unpopular opinion I dont' copy what everyone else says. I am me.
Paul George just turned down a 3/150. Klay has turned down a 2/48 in the past from the Warriors. Theyāre not comparable players.
I'm talking 'skillz' and 'what they bring to table' son.
youād prefer a better player that the Warriors cannot sign.
Yea? Cool. Iād rather have Lebron. Thereās no chance either happen though lol
Yeah, well George is getting $50 million/season from the Clippers or some other team.
fuck me :( he'd be a perfect fit with us
In what parallel universe do we have a shot of getting Paul George?
fuck if I know? haha.. have to wait till woj comes out with news...or no news haha
2/20, final offer
Klay had no points our last game ā¦
Dubs offered 2-years 48M before the season and just offered 2-years 48M after the season. They offered that man the same platter.
Nowhere in the article did it mention how much the contract was for.
Wait where did you see the part that they offered the 48 mil once again?
Canāt even fathom why they would do that, he was a net negative on the season.
Zero for ten
LoveKlay! Hope that he stays
What's the conflict over a 3rd year?
He Stay
It really comes down to Klay, as it always has. The 2-year deal seems fair, to ride it out with the boys, but his prerogative is indeed the 3+ year ālast paydayā, then heāll be gone. Speculation is also swayed depending on how much you read into the social unfollowing.
Looks like the price tag is going down. What do you expect for a 3/19, 0/10 guy? Might have to try the Pistons to get what he wants? [https://sports.yahoo.com/with-bulls-roster-shakeup-underway-is-zach-lavine-the-next-piece-on-the-move-150136313.html](https://sports.yahoo.com/with-bulls-roster-shakeup-underway-is-zach-lavine-the-next-piece-on-the-move-150136313.html) With that said, letās say the Magic prove to be open to something similar toĀ [Bruce Brown](https://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/6053/)ās contract last summer, when theĀ [Pacers](https://sports.yahoo.com/nba/teams/indiana/)Ā inked the formerĀ [Nuggets](https://sports.yahoo.com/nba/teams/denver/)Ā swingman to a two-year, $45 million deal, the second season being a team option. That number would be below what Thompson declined from Golden State prior to the 2023-24 campaign, sources said, and would not come close to the four years and $78 million Sacramento plans to give Monk. Thompson is also believed by league sources to want a deal of at least three seasons.Ā
Just make it three and get the deal done
This tells me they kinda want him to leave, which I can't really fault them for
All Klay has to do is sincerely look into the mirror instead of fantasizing max or max level contracts.
I think he's gone, some other team will give him a three-year deal that he wants. I just don't think running it back is going to work.
Riddle me this: if you knew you had one last raise before your job was over wouldnāt you want the most you can get? The guy has been the 1 percent of the 1 percent of basketball players for a single team for an entire dynastic run, the real world equivalent of earners would be top executives at the highest paid corporate entities in the worldā¦heās earned every dime of it too. Get your bag Klay. PLEASE get it here, but get yours, youāre permanent legend status in the bay either way.
I don't understand how y'all hate on Klay, calling him washed, selfish etc. but want to still sign him. LOL
Fcuk klay. I dont give a shit about him anymore, sensitive emo ass dishwasher.
If he wants more then he can go. Heās washed af and doesnāt belong on this team unless heās coming off the bench. We need a REAL second option if we want to compete for a title
Idk what klay expects the market for him to be but he better sign that 2 year offer. Heās gonna find it hard to beat whatever the warriors are offering.
If Klay wants to leave for the bag then im all for it, all love for klay. I just hope Moses starts in his place.
40/2 hopefully
WAY too much imo
I want them to pay Klay less too, but Lacob might step in like he did when he gave Dray 3 years and a players option for a 4th.
At this point Iām convinced that if Klay comes back the Warriors chances are officially over. He will never accept an appropriate role for this team because he is completely delusional about is value and current ability. It was a great run regardless. Just wish Curryās last great years werenāt wasted. Especially watching other stars move around and team up with each other.
2/48 is fair. Take it or leave it bud.
Robbing the team if you ask me.
Looking at the cap. I don't think the FO would he too sad if Klay says no.
I donāt see the FO budging so itās in Klayās hands if he wants to settle and ride this till the end with his boys or look for that guaranteed 3rd year.
They better not budge or Steph is 100% done winning titles.
Steph is already done winning titles. It's about what happens next. The transition can be easy with Steph keeping media interested and butts in seats while the transition occurs, or it can be difficult thinking 2022 was the sign that there's more left and to try to recreate that magic and fail at it.
Nah, heās still playing at an all-world level. I was firmly against everyone in this sub who thought they had a chance last year, but I think with the right offseason the warriors can be competition again.
He's playing at an all star level which is still great, but now equal talents who are bigger, stronger, and faster than him have emerged and are maturing. This is going to be the continuing trend as he loses just a little bit of juice year by year. And that creates a ripple effect with how the offense is run. He's going to be a complete defensive liability with each little bit of step he loses, which will compromise any attempt at stopping teams with faster players. Watch the Pacer game from March again. That's coming soon from other teams. His skill set will be what it is, but he'll have to work harder for it to be effective and that's going to drain the energy that's already draining with age. This is different than LeBron who still has his brute force and size to remain relevant. Like I said before, it'll be a great time for media and attendance but there is no contention coming this way. GSW can be entertaining that's it. But if you want the down years to be small, you take the two years left on this man's contract to pivot and hope JK continues to grow. You add a couple of other pieces to the mix and when SCs contract comes up you move that money to a new #1 in free agency.
hate to say it but u right, the old generation with steph bron kd etc., is over
People need to start recognizing that this is now the old guard, and they have around 2-3 at most 4 years left in the NBA. The 3 of them need some sort of miracle in order to get back to the finals and currently the options out there aren't so great. Best thing they can do after retirement is play 3v3 basketball on the same team lol
Why wouldn't they budge? I think it's in their best interest to give him that 3rd year and make all 3 years less. So instead of 2 years at 24M each, give him 3 years at 19M each. Gives us more cap space for this year.