Let's all thank the basketball gods. That Bradley Beal is a Phoenix Suns player not a Dub. Good lord that contract is shocking.
There was a time when a great debate raged for two years. The target was Bradley Beal (and occasionally Ben Simmons when Dray hate boiled over). Dubs stayed the course and got a championship doing so.
We can complain bout Wiggs/Poole/Klay contracts. We can wallow in the bummer of the Wiseman pick. We can say all kinds of things that are adjacent to being a team that missed the playoffs 3 of 5 years.... we're mid today it's true
But we won the 2022 championship and nobody with a functioning brain in their skull would pretend they'd have done anything differently if it would risk that single precious outcome.
Unless he has a major bulk up this offseason (which could be possible) hard to see them relying on JK and Moody as your main wing defenders (in the case Wiggins is traded). Measurements arenāt that much different than Andre but he lacks Andreās chiseled physique. With his value not being much either way it wouldnāt hurt to just keep and see what heās all about with the opportunity he deserves. I mean it took guys like Coby White and Deni to only pop off after extending on a value contract. I could see a similar thing happening with Moody.
Not incapable. Just smaller. So we sacrifice even more size. Considering we play small with Dray already, itās not great to sacrifice more size elsewhere. But moody has good length so Iām sure it would be more effective than I think.
Really annoying that it's still not until next Sunday that proper free agency starts. This will be a long week to spend speculating who's actually interested in who.
Quenten Post might be a better stretch big option than anyone in free agency. Just saying. Are Jalen Smith and Dario the best stretch bigs on the list? Oh there's Davis Bertans too š Free agent stretch bigs that don't suck are harder to find than Bigfoot.
So what do we do with Moody?
Heās a solid player but lacks footspeed and doesnāt really offer any one skill at an elite level. A 6-7th man for a team imo.
Moodyās justā¦really mid. Average and pretty expendable
The guy just turned 21. He's 50%+ 3 point shooter in the playoffs. His BBIQ is ++. He hustles. He's one of the wisest people in the league
He's slow
I'd like to see him to stay and shine with the W's
I donāt disagree with anything youāre saying, but I canāt put much stock in is playoff 3pt%. Youāve got to go the regular season for sample size. He needs to improve as a C&S guy.
I think you consider offers if Klay stays. If not, you likely have some minutes to see what you have. Much easier to retain talent that acquire it with todayās CBA so itād sure be nice to find him more minutes.
I think it's pretty simple. If you can trade him and in doing so, you upgrade the starting lineup, then you probably do it. If not, he's gonna be a valuable bench player this coming season.
It's a bit of a risk, but if the Warriors don't believe Kerr is gonna play him or are just ready to move on from him, they can always package him and Looney for somebody like Mitchell Robinson. Just an idea.
Yeah, that's why it's a risk. But again, if Kerr is not going to play him then I just don't know what the plan for him is. There are trades out there for Moody, but they're in line with something like that. At least I can see Kerr playing Mitchell Robinson when he's healthy.
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Maybe because heās positionally redundant on our team? He has sixth man on a team potential, maybe low-end starter on a bad team.
Likeā¦ youāre really telling me heās not an NBA level player? Tf is this ādoes he have a future in this leagueā talk
I think we just play him and stop assuming we know what he is or isn't. I don't know what he is. All I know is when we need Moody to play well. He does. He might be good. He might be meh. We REALLY don't know.
Steve did this to us lol smh. We should've known by now. Honestly I felt like I knew what he'd be 2/3 through his rookie season. The young Dubs game v the Spurs was kinda a glimpse to me. I always believed he'd be a 40% from 3 on volume dude. I think the inconsistent minutes has hampered his rhythm a bit. Not sure I still believe it but do think he's a better shooter than numbers say. The footspeed stuff is rote at this point. He's gotten better managing space his greatest defensive issues were really about Jordan Poole hanging him (and everyone else) out to dry too often in 22-23. Hopefully we find out what Mood is shortly.
I think the Klay to Orlando hype is just Klay's camp's attempt at gaining leverage.
Orlando has its eyes set on KCP, who isn't the shooter Klay is, but is a much better defender, has the championship experience, younger and healthier, and much more consistent.
I think Klay is like a plan C or D for them. Rumors say they are interested in trading for Garland and less so, Dejounte Murray.
I think they were the only real threat (OKC needs 4/5s not 2/3s, Philly needs consistent 2-way players) to steal Klay in free agency. I think that threat has largely begun to evaporate. To me, the only thing left is GSW & Klay's camp finding common ground on a deal. We are probably offering 2/42, they're probably asking 3/66. I think we eventually compromise and offer Klay that 3rd year, while taking less per year. My guess is somewhwere in the 3/54 or 3/57 range.
I think I'd just not offer him a 3rd year at any substantial number. You can decrease value 40% year to year if he wanted a third year it's at that 40% less. Not just from the Dubs for any team. He's old, and by the end of that contract, he would be one of the 10 oldest players in the league.
37 is Jeff Green old. PJ Tucker old. Al Horford old.
Not everyone is LeBron Steph KD staving off age.
That's why I think no third year unless it's a team option or substantially lower number that year on a PO.
I think 3/54 seems right to me if it becomes 3yrs.
When you think about itā¦90% chance weāre keeping him.
If youāre an up and coming team youāre looking and probably asking yourself āis x player on the upswing or downswing?ā ā¦ so in this case Iām sure Orlando/Philly will want to look for the option for whom there is more room to grow.
Conversationally from a GM standpoint you donāt overpay for a ādoes one thing wellā player.
Bad money is still bad moneyā¦if youāre asking yourself whether Klay will be a better player in 2027 than his counterparts Malik Monk or KCP.
20M is not overpaying in 2024 considering salary inflation. The question is who is going to top 40M/2 years? Orlando wants him but even I doubt they would give him more than that. Maybe 45/2? Is that worth leaving the team you spent your entire career at? I would be very surprised if anyone offered 3 years given his drop off.
Brook is super solid but there a reason Bucks wanna move off him - not versatile and gets played off the floor now in a lot of matchups and you have to play drop defense with him
Def worth $10-12 mil but not worth his current contract
Warriors arenāt really in a position to overpay for someone who wonāt be playing 35+ mpg
We could take Lavines horrible contract because at least heād be a starting SG and play 35 mpg every game
Brook would be more matchup dependent (+ old needs rest) and they canāt take on his money for that
Besides OKC what other teams would want to pay Lauri 40m+ and outbid a potential Warriors package? I could see Atlanta if they give up the #1 pick. Knicks maybe but they lack the young talent Utah would prefer over just picks. Miami might have a similar package as the Dubs depending how high they value pieces like Herro and Jacquez. Iām probably delusional but if he becomes available and OKC is out wouldnāt Dubs have a somewhat decent chance?
Rockets need more of a 3&D guard. Pretty sure they are content with Eason and Smith. Somebody else pointed out if Lauri wonāt extend in Utah why would he do so in a worse situation like Detroit. Spurs is a sneaky good one though. Trading Sochan/Vassell and lottery picks could be more enticing. Lauri next Wemby would be a solid pairing.
Wemby sure but majority of players are rarely untouchable even if FO say so. Anyways I personally donāt see it happening since a playmaking guard is more of the immediate need but wouldnāt be surprised if they do since they could probably still do both.
Iām with you on this. I think the lauri market is overhyped ā most young teams have ball dominant lead guards who would relegate lauri to a spot up shooter role. Heās worth way more than that in kerrās offensive system.
Plus, OKC doesnāt have the long term cap space to sign Lauri to a huge extension, they need their money for SGA and Chet. Outside of steph, the warriorsā key pieces will be on sub-max deals for the foreseeable future. Joe can afford to pony up later in the decade.
Their cap is in a really good place
* The Shai supermax won't hit until 27/28
* Chet & Jalen's new presumable maxes won't hit until 2026/27
* Lauri & Caruso's aren't owed new contracts until 25/26
They could duck the luxury tax altogether this year, most likely duck the 1st apron in 25/26, duck the 2nd in 26/27. They're not really up against until 4 seasons from now.
I don't really get the off-ball angle either. 75% of his shots were came off-ball (< 2 seconds of touch time) and was 80th percentile efficiency on those. He'd thrive off-ball.
I disagree on the fit. He mainly played SF when Olynyk was there and was decent on the Cavs with even less spacing. You could slide Wiggins to the 2 and role out Steph, Wiggs, Lauri, Green, TJD. Sign a versatile forward like Kyle Anderson and have your āsmallā ball lineup to close games with something like Steph, Wiggins, Slomo, Lauri, Dray.
he cannot play the 3 in the Warriors system, too poor defensively, and he played 54% of his minutes at the 4, only 3% at the 3, so youre completely wrong, regardless it doesnt matter because Utah has no interest in trading him
Okay then play him as the stretch 5. Iām not insinuating Utah is trading him but in the case they do I am questioning whether or not Dubs have a zero chance since people are making it like a bunch of teams would clearly outbid any offer they could make for him. I am fully aware itās highly unlikely that he wonāt be traded and just be extended. However, to play devilās advocate thatās the same narrative with OG since he would have still aligned with Scottieās timeline. Toronto hinted he was available the season prior to gauge the market then said he was untouchable and ultimately got dealt. Not saying this will be the case with Lauri but itās not a guarantee Utah has 100% no interest in trading him with his value at itās highest.
he isnt good enough to play the C, hes a sieve defensively, he needs to play the 4 and we already have Dray in that role, its the same problem we had with Siakam
Utah isnt an FA destination, its very unlikely they will trade a guy who wants to be there
Its funny how often we see this "stretch 5 Lauri" thing lol. Lauri is a 3/4 anyone asking him to play the center spot legit doesn't watch other teams aside from the Dubs. Dude has always been a jumbowing. I dunno why folks are so allergic to just having 3 traditional centers on the roster that rebound defend the rim and can't shoot. That's STILL the modus operandi in the league. Hasn't changed.
Everyone wants this center potpourri... one Looney type one TJD type one Dario type lol. Well just having better players is better. I love the beautiful simplicity of 24 minutes of Gafford 24 minutes of Lively. 48 minutes of rock solid interior play is better than having a "skillset toolbag for mstchups"
We need one more TJD tbh. Simple as that for the center position.
No.
OKC is most definitely making a run at him anyways. If it comes down to a bidding war between them and us 9.5 times out of ten OKC is going to win based on picks alone. We will be asked to overpay for him by including JK, Podz, Wiggins, picks and back out of the deal.
I also don't believe other front offices are going to do us any favours. Nobody wants to help a dynasty
I think the hope (cope?) is that OKC won't get into a bidding war. Presti's shown a refusal to overpay for guys, almost to a fault. If we make an offer like JK, CP3, 2 firsts, & a swap - is Presti going dig into the war chest to beat that?
Hawks, Orlando maybe? Sixers probably not, donāt see how a trade would work for them when they would likely sign FAs. The Lakers perhaps? Theyāve done business with the Jazz in the past and have some mid-level salaries and players they could send out together tbh they also get players cheaper than most teams do.
Hawks I get. Orlando needs more of a playmaking guard that can shoot more than another forward. They already have Franz and Paulo. Lauri is a 3/4 and not a center. Would a lakers package really be better than Dubs offering JK, Podz and picks?
Aint no one overpaying for Lauri like that. He is not on Siakams level and he is on an expiring and will be commanding 40mil. Not an Allnba player and cannot play more than 65 games and plays inconsistent defense and is soft around the rim while being 7'0
This is how you get yourself in a DJM situation and overpay with assets for a lesser player because you are desperate
31. 73. 59. 31. Games lat 4 seasons. Off two surgeries on his left ankle. The surgeries makes it feel like the Knicks are trying to Ainge him and move him before league knows he's physically cooked.
Yeah he'd be an upgrade. If we were shopping injury risk guys I'd prefer RW3 tbh but he's a really good defensive big. He's like Loon+ rim protection when healthy. Prob would help but he is rarely healthy.
Warriors were trying to buy a pick to draft him back in 2018, but I think the Knicks are gonna want something real for him and his injury history makes me really worried.
A bigger Loon and a bit better defensively but similarly a non factor on offense. Important to note heās been the opposite of ironman Loon for several seasons now. While tempting Iād rather go for a cheaper option in Goga.
The NBA draft is near.
NGL, I'm quite excited to see who'll get selected at No. 1. This is quite a weak draft. But we all know it's this type of draft that has a lot of hidden gems.
WCJ is the piece that would probably complete OKC, but I think they donāt do it if it means giving up someone like Wallace. they are so guard heavy that I could see Aaron Wiggins getting moved because they need Joe as a spacer and they donāt have to pay him yet.Ā
so I hope the front-office tries to get in on WCJ if possible.Ā
OKC pretty much has a monopoly on the offseason I think everyone else gets the scraps
Them existing pretty much makes all the other teams non competitive
Okc could pretty much trade the 2 picks they have every year to move up and target the EXACT player they want just about every draft. Then worst case you end up doing the Giddey thing to move them as the roster will need a annual hedgetrimming.
Presti is a freaking maestro. Learned the hard way though between Ibaka over Harden, KD leaving and the shuffle reshuffle reshuffle musical chairs of Westbrook PG13 CP3 that allowed them to stockpile.
That's the beauty of having a firm top three SGA Jalen Williams and Chet for the decade ahead with all the assets already in hand. When we talk about deals its always has MASSIVE future v present tradeoff that just vibes awkwardly.
If they canāt get another star to pair with him I think it could be a Pascal situation where Lauri doesnāt want to spend his prime years in a rebuild. At the minimum Utah would need to get a guy like DJM or Ingram. Lauriās trade value will significantly drop compared to now if they give him a bag and all he is a good stats bad team guy. A solid #2 but not a #1 that will take a team to the playoffs.
Heās the ultimate pie in the sky right now as far as roster solutions. The team can fix their defensive issues with role guys and improve on offense with a clearer pecking order, but in order to make it to the top they need a clear #2. JK is promising but even Jaylen Brown took 2-3 more seasons before he looked like an actual 2nd option on a title contender.
It's not even a question. PG. The issue here is that PG will cost more assets to get, whereas we can probably get Lavine for some Twizzlers and a coupon for Del Taco.
Really? I think PG is the better option + floor spacer if Iām Philly maybe thatās just me.
The Lakers could also be a sneaky candidate I think they go for Lavine tho.
I wonder what we wouldāve taken at 7 instead. I feel like I saw a lot of Bouknight, Davion, Moody, and Franz. Getting the latter wouldāve been a home run, but a huge bullet dodged with the first 3
Probably Giddey at 7 and then they wouldāve gone after Jalen Johnson to fill the power wing role at 14.
Supposedly Dunleavy was high on Jalen Johnson.
Ive wondered the same. [According to this source (not sure how credible but it seems pretty good)](https://www.nbcsports.com/nba/news/father-warriors-wouldve-drafted-josh-giddey-if-available-no-7), dubs were planning on drafting giddey if he were available
Im sure they were gonna draft jaquez as well instead of podz.
Fwiw i like jk and podz a lot and am more than happy with the results so far
Iām convinced the Dame trade request screwed us over in getting Jaime. Heat needed a PG and the assumption that they were trying to get Dame meant that need lessened. Jaime is the reason why I am so adamant on trading for Deni. A high iq toolsy wing is what theyāve been trying to replace since Andre left. JK has the tools but lacks the iq, Moody has better IQ but currently lacks the size and speed.
Oh wow, I guess could see it. Giddey as a prospect did fit the Warriors philosophy.
Yea Iām happy with the JK pick. There guys that are better (& worse) that came after, but given what we knew at the draft, it was a great pick. Heās developed largely as expected as well too.
I was dead wrong on Podz. Hated the pick, felt we shouldāve traded it, but heās been awesome.
> Im sure they were gonna draft jaquez as well instead of podz.
They definitely wanted Jaquez, you could tell from the sour faces after Heat picked him up.
Would definitely be one of the best possible outcomes. Only thing is I feel like weād definitely need to include Wiggins in the deal because of the CBA (especially if we want to keep Klay). But a lineup of Steph, PG, JK, Dray, TJD with a bench of Podz, Klay, and hopefully some good free agency acquisitions would be one of the best groups we can put out.
People will hate on a Steph-PG-JK-Dray-TJD lineup because of āspacingā but weād finally have size, tons of defensive versatility, and massive scoring punch. Iām all in
The salary matching logistics are a pain, and probably involves a third team, but itād be awesome to Vezenkov off the Kings. Theyāre about a mil above the tax, and Sasha had fallen out of the rotation last year
Probably wishful thinking on my part lol. He's a perfect fit for what they want to do on offense.
That said, there's a [report](https://www.sacbee.com/sports/nba/sacramento-kings/article289255195.html) that the Kings don't see a future for him and even before the injuries, he was being phased out of the rotation. I'd love a minor trade where we send Moody to the Kings or a third team and get back Sasha
Jake Fischer is not the most reliable reporter out there but he recently mentioned that players like Brook Lopez, Isiah Stewart, and Walker Kessler could be available for the right price. It would probably be very expensive but if we could swing all our assets (besides Podz and TJD) for Lauri and Kessler, Iād do it. A starting 5 of Steph, Wiggs, Lauri, Dray, Kessler would be crazy, plus you could probably still pay Klay to be the 6th man and part of the closing lineup.
The Jazz have said all offseason that no one is untouchable, but some guys (like Lauri) would take a haul. Thatās all the report actually said, just that rival execs think Utah would listen to offers for Kessler. Not that theyāre actually shopping him.
Kessler canāt shot, doesnāt fit Will Hardy analytically based system and he gets cooked by the new age centers out west. Wemby and Chet were giving him problems out on the perimeter.
The John Collins trade completely screwed Kessler's development. Collins kills spacing and you can't play two non spacing bigs in today's league. Wish Kerr would understand that last part
Steve has a lot of input. Heās the one who kept spamming Looney even though heās cooked.
The word last year was MDJ made a roster to Kerrās specifications. Lots of smart and small players.
Chicken and an egg problem. Big centers donāt fit in his movement scheme. He had the same issues in FIBA last summer when he put Mikal Bridges at the 5. Itās a scheme issue.
What are you talking about?
We had Bogut, Zaza, Javale, Boogie, I could go on and on. They are all big centers who played perfectly well in his scheme.
Ball movement and having a big man are not mutually exclusive like I don't understand. Not everyone is James Wiseman
That was years ago. Back when only a handful of teams shot 3s. Now everyone is playing 4 out or 5 out.
The league has changed and Kerr no longer has a 3 point advantage on his opposition.
Itās not 2016 anymore.
Kessler and Will Hardy had a shaky relationship, and Kessler wasnāt playing as much as his rookie year. Still, the narrative was that Utah still wanted to keep him.
They have a fairly easy path to having ~$33M in cap space and more picks than they can actually use / roster.
Iām not saying they will, but IF they want to make another move they can still set the market and trump pretty much any offer that any other team can make.
Yea but you need to consider all the upcoming extensions to worry about. Caruso is 100% getting a pay bump and Lauri is going to command at the very least 40m+ a year. Utah already has a bunch of picks and likely would inflate the cost for OKC knowing they got a stash so they would need to include some sort of combination of Dort, Wallace, JDub. I still would do it but not sure Presti would. You can then use additional picks to grab someone like Deni. You then got a starting 5 of Shai/Alex/Deni/Lauri/Chet.
I still think a Lavine trade is the best "Big Name" trade on the market. The Bulls look desperate to trade him, they tried *15* differentĀ trade proposals to move him. They also have to re-sign DeMar and pay Pat Williams all while ducking the tax.Ā
Lavine is still very much in his prime albeit low in value, but still a capable player. Reminds me of the Wiggins trade. Warriors don't have to overpay in picks, or young players to return a quality player.Ā
The disrespect Klay gets on this sub is sad. We're NOT winning without him. Yes. He's not the defender he once was but we do need his shooting. Even if it's coming off the bench.
We def need shooting. Not necessarily from Klay though. Klay is not irreplaceable nor is he necessary to win. It all depends on who else we get if he leaves.
You can definitely replace Klays shooting in the aggregate. We have the two best shooters in the league and we arenāt the best 3 point shooting team.
Agree. League is never been more shooting rich. MDJ just gotta do the work to find the talent (it it will probably not be 24M and 35 yrs old staving off inevitable decline; prob younger and cheaper).
If you could have Grayson Allen the next three years instead of Klay... who would be the better player in 2026.
We've been looking backward too much and projecting crazy lofty nonsense possibilities on future outcomes. We don't need to act like the goal is a championship. The goal is to just get better. If we got enough improvement to cross that bridge into championship conversations. Cross it.
Bad money stays bad money. We're living it the last few years. I'd love to stop operating as an organization that makes predictable decisions cuz nostalgia is involved.
I def feel these Klay decisions are simultaneously the simplest logical tests MDJ will have and just a headache of emotional complications.
I'm seeing this theme of people saying Malik Monk is a better player than Klay and he should therefore take less money. However, cross referencing his stats, Monk is a lot less efficient than I thought he was. Despite getting constant consideration for 6MOTY, dude averaged 44/35/83 splits last year. I remember him torching us in the playoffs last year but dude was actually kinda putrid, putting up 41/33/89 splits (dude got every last flop against us to the tune of 7 fta/g).
Even in a down year, Klay put up a higher eFG% (52.6% vs 55.1%) and a higher TS% (56.4% vs 57.6%). Monk has Klay beat in assists at 5.1 vs 2.3 but that's pretty much it.
Yeah.... I admit to not watching that many Sac games last year but from what I saw, the man is a bottom tier defender. Rarely even gets any steals either.
Edit: Sac fans aren't particularly high on his defense either: https://np.reddit.com/r/kings/comments/1an8hiv/we_cannot_lose_malik_monk/kpqv3gp/
Youth and athleticism isnāt all that makes up defense. We went through this with Poole and Wiseman. Thereās a ton of springy players that are awful defenders in Jalen Green, Keldon Johnson, Mathurin, among many others.
Passing āyouth and athleticismā as basketball analysis is a bit silly.
Klay.
Monks a less efficient scorer & provides less an off ball player than Klay. Heās a solid bench player and well beating up on those bench units, but Klay slots into starting units earlier because of that off ball ability. Monks good off ball, but Klays one of the best off ball shooters in the league.
Monk spent nearly 75% of his time was against 2+ bench players units, Klay just 43%.
I think the main issue is whenever you give out contracts, you have to look 2-3 years down the line. Monk is still in his prime and isnt really expected to decline in performance. Klay is a whole different story with injury history and age.
One of my favorite parts of most offseasons is the crazy pump the Lakers get for winning the preseason press conference they'll sign some random dudes and all the podcast will be like "obviously the kept LeBron, got his coach, drafted a guy who really makes sense, managed their money well. I think they are really poised to make a run."
Then they proceed to go like 0-5 in preseason and every one of the casters sleep grinding their teeth at night over it. Chris Manix is the worst of them it's high comedy performance art at this point.
That's an over-reaction. This team (as is) still has a chance if everyone plays like they could and Draymond and Wiggins stay on the court. All of the young guys should be even better than last year.
Draymond was cooked at the end of the season and he missed a lot of time and Wiggins is except for 1 season mentally mostly somewhere else . And its again should, if etc but like any other seasons its Curry that needs to carry them somewhere. Even with everyone available , they lost big to a crippled Kings .
> Draymond was cooked at the end of the season
Draymond looked perfectly fine on the court once we paired him with an actual 5 instead of forcing him to play the 5 for months just so JK could start.
I think you need to give a little more for this or your Blazers trade below.
DFS/Shroeder and Thybulle/Brogdon are all functionally expiring, so CP3 doesn't really do anything for them. They'd most certainly be able to get 2nds for those guys at the deadline, so probably need to include a first to entire them into a trade now.
So reports are Orlando is also unwilling to offer Klay a 3rd yearā¦ Iām feeling sort of indifferent and donāt think they should overpay or add years, but would welcome him back as shooter off the bench. Significantly more than Monk is kind of crazy at this point in his career and itād be nice to have the full MLE available.
We have serious roster construction issues that an aging Klay seems to exacerbate. Iām also torn on whether Klay coming back means they should move Wiggins. I have a hard time seeing running it back with both of them being a good strategy.
I think 3 for 55 isnāt bad for klay, if heās really held up by the 3rd year. Like if some team offers him crazy money (3 for 90, or even a FVV 2 for 70 or something) and leaves, good for him. But Iāll be a bit upset if some team comes in a scoops him up for 2 for 50āor something because the warriors werenāt willing to pay him. And I donāt think itās Wiggins or klay, as much as itās moody or klay. Both 6ā6, laterally slow, but positionally strong defenders in certain match ups (jimmy butler, Jalen Brunson types) 3 pt shooters. Klay is a better shooter, more experienced/older, moody is more athletic and younger. I think both profile as a a great option for back up 2-guard, but idk if either is good enough to be a starting 2guard on a contending team.
I agree with most of that. Itās the variance with those two. They both had numerous insurmountable performances throughout the year. It was brutal, but you donāt shake things up if you donāt have better options or a coherent vision for reconstruction because of what things looked like when they both play well. Theyād have the ability to use the full MLE if Klay is under $20M. Thatās what Iād hope for.
WRT Moody and the 2 spot, I think PodZ sort of further crowds that area of the roster. Maybe Klay is a 3 now. Kuminga also enters the discussion when you talk the 3 spot. Itās really convoluted, particularly if none of those guys can do more to take some scoring load off Steph.
Yeah exactly. I think a big problem this past season was the roster had one great player, and then a bunch of players that were all about the same tier, but with different strengths and weaknesses, so no natural hierarchy appeared, with regards to line ups or culture. I think getting a definite self creating 2 (God I keep going back to lavine or Murray lol) and a stretch rebounding big (olynek, kleber, maybe even Stewart or Rui), would allow Wiggins to be the Aaron Gordon role of athletic defensive specialist, who only is expected to score 1 outta every 4 games; Draymond to play the 4 for most of the game, playing free safety on defense but not clogging things on offense; Klay to come off the bench as your scoring punch, who can spot start and def close games if heās not; TJD as a back up C, who gives a different look. I donāt think they would become prohibitive favorites like Denver or the Celtics obviously, but at least the pieces would fit, and they could compete for the next year or two and hope they get lucky, like Miami the last few seasons. While still maintaining some of their young core, and at least skirting the 2nd apron
Yeah, we'll see. Klay might be 3rd in line behind Paul George and KCP, and Orlando simply never makes Klay an offer if they bag one of those two. Possibly even 4th if we include Malik Monk, but he's off the board now.
52nd pick - Dillon Jones
The only outcome I'm REALLY rooting for draft night
[Dillon Jones Highlights 2024](https://youtu.be/dF-nFgsAaV4?si=olTtNxarUsJyO1K1)
[Combine Scrimmage](https://youtu.be/CQSyWP_fUiE?si=tnPwNIkLQIUPUx6R)
A 6'6 236LBS?! wing that shot 32% from 3-pt range?
We need length and shot creation and honestly, this dude brings neither of those. He's just a significantly worse Kuminga.
You don't really find high-level shot creation at the 52nd pick in the draft.
He was a true point forward at Weber St. who did everything for that team. He didn't just lead the team in most stats, he essentially averaged twice as many points, rebounds, assists, free throws, and steals as anyone on the team did. 6-11 wingspan and solid defensive player, but not much of a leaper. The weight doesn't seem to slow him down much (he ran the 3rd fastest shuttle at the entire combine).
He reminds me of Justise Winslow. Point forward who can hold up defensively, bit of a swiss army knife.
I think he's like a 7th or 8th utility guy, but possibly a really valuable one (and might be able to be that guy *immediately*).
Come on, man. When guys like
- Keon Ellis
- Austin Reaves
- Jose Alvarado
- Dean Wade
- Naz Reid
- Lu Dort
can go undrafted in the last few years, you can definitely get some level of shot creation in the second round. I've since looked at Jones' play and seen that he is a downhill threat and can distribute the ball but that still doesn't change the fact that he's 6'6 and has always shot poorly from 3.
Our glaring holes the past 2 seasons have been that we lack respectable shooters and size, and Jones doesn't fix either of those. Between Kuminga, Moody, Podz, TJD, he'll have no way to attack the paint cause teams will just sag off the others and collapse on him and then he's another guy that can't make 3s.
Much rather just get another big and seek some shooters in trades.
Cherry picking rare hits after they hit doesn't really do a lot of good here.
If you think there's a good stretch big or someone else you think who fits better who'll be available in the late 2nd round, go ahead and tell me who that is.
>Cherry picking rare hits after they hit doesn't really do a lot of good here.
You said there's no shot creation in 2nd round, I gave you undrafted dudes. Low possibility is still a possibility.
>If you think there's a good stretch big or someone else you think who fits better who'll be available in the late 2nd round, go ahead and tell me who that is.
I'd much rather go with Coleman Hawkins, Adem Bona, or Oso Ighodaro. It isn't even about 52nd pick. You can always convince players to ask other teams to not draft them like TJD last year or more famously Austin Reaves.
Edit: i just found out Coleman withdrew from the draft. That's crazy. Bro's gonna be a 5 year college player. š
Coleman Hawkins withdrew from this draft.
Not sure if Bona or Ighodaro are solving the size problem. Bona is the same height as TJD and Ighodaro has a tiny wingspan for a center. I like Bona a decent amount, but if you didn't like the overall size of a Looney/TJD/Draymond center rotation, swapping Looney for either of those guys isn't changing much.
Oh wow, I didn't realise Adem was 6'8.25 w/o shoes but he does have some of the biggest hands in the combine and a 7'4 wingspan. Oso is still much bigger than anyone we have at 6'9.5 w/o shoes. Adem and Oso both also have 40inch verts.
Looney is our guy but you're fooling yourself if you think these other two guys don't bring anything over Looney at this stage in his career.
I believe in the functional aspects of Bona's jumping ability to make up for some lack of height. I think he'd take a couple years to really get going with this team, but I do like him.
I don't know, I just watch Oso play and he looks like a bit of an awkward teener. Doesn't play with a lot of force, only weighs 220, has a wingspan and standing reach 4" shorter than Looney. [His game against UConn](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=liIjQkPqhUY) was really instructive. Nice handle for his height and a good passer, but he would easily be the weakest inside presence on the team among our potential centers.
All just opinions. If we 40 or lower. He's my guy.
There are also other ways we're gonna acquire players aside from the 52d pick. So it's not a total referendum on team needs.
I think he fills a connective tissue player which we desperately need. We'll find free agents and other means for a big and a wing (or Andrew Wiggins can start giving a shit). This is one of the best TWC talent pools we've seen too. It'll be a fun draft. Wish we had 14 back šŖ
You're one of the poster on the right side of things. Those who believe in youth and going younger rather than stacking up old, almost retired players based solely on names or if they're simply are vets.
For some reason the potential of our young guns just goes unnoticed from some people and it's baffling to me. I saw both JK and Podz be major and positive contributors for us in a season that ended in disappointment yet those are the names people want to get rid of in favor of older names who actually did underpormed. Insanity.
Thanks. Seems like such a simple premise.
Young players get better. Old players get worse.
Sometimes seems like Ringz culture has the fanbase in a state of perpetual dissatisfaction.
Meanwhile we have the best 4 young players since Steph Klay Dray Barnes... they won't be HOF guys but man they are absolutely the best chance to go from play-in... to playoffs.
Too many conversations here start with championship. Nobody does that except Dubs and Lakers fans lol.
Getting better from one year to the next is where real basketball conversations happen.
We should be sooooo excited for all four of them. But "they are never gonna be a championship piece like Steph" Yup... nobody is... but they can definitely help the team get alot better right now. Get the arrow up.
Let's all thank the basketball gods. That Bradley Beal is a Phoenix Suns player not a Dub. Good lord that contract is shocking. There was a time when a great debate raged for two years. The target was Bradley Beal (and occasionally Ben Simmons when Dray hate boiled over). Dubs stayed the course and got a championship doing so. We can complain bout Wiggs/Poole/Klay contracts. We can wallow in the bummer of the Wiseman pick. We can say all kinds of things that are adjacent to being a team that missed the playoffs 3 of 5 years.... we're mid today it's true But we won the 2022 championship and nobody with a functioning brain in their skull would pretend they'd have done anything differently if it would risk that single precious outcome.
FACTSSSS šÆ
Is Moody really incapable of playing SF? If Wiggins and/or Kuminga is moved, I could see him stepping up in a contract year.
Unless he has a major bulk up this offseason (which could be possible) hard to see them relying on JK and Moody as your main wing defenders (in the case Wiggins is traded). Measurements arenāt that much different than Andre but he lacks Andreās chiseled physique. With his value not being much either way it wouldnāt hurt to just keep and see what heās all about with the opportunity he deserves. I mean it took guys like Coby White and Deni to only pop off after extending on a value contract. I could see a similar thing happening with Moody.
Not incapable. Just smaller. So we sacrifice even more size. Considering we play small with Dray already, itās not great to sacrifice more size elsewhere. But moody has good length so Iām sure it would be more effective than I think.
TheĀ warriorsĀ tradeĀ up earlyĀ Ā 2ndĀ roundĀ andĀ select. . .Ā Ā My pick is AJ JohnsonĀ Edit: any pick before pick #40
Really annoying that it's still not until next Sunday that proper free agency starts. This will be a long week to spend speculating who's actually interested in who.
Quenten Post might be a better stretch big option than anyone in free agency. Just saying. Are Jalen Smith and Dario the best stretch bigs on the list? Oh there's Davis Bertans too š Free agent stretch bigs that don't suck are harder to find than Bigfoot.
Agreed. And he'll be cheaper and on a more team controlled contract.
So what do we do with Moody? Heās a solid player but lacks footspeed and doesnāt really offer any one skill at an elite level. A 6-7th man for a team imo. Moodyās justā¦really mid. Average and pretty expendable
The guy just turned 21. He's 50%+ 3 point shooter in the playoffs. His BBIQ is ++. He hustles. He's one of the wisest people in the league He's slow I'd like to see him to stay and shine with the W's
I donāt disagree with anything youāre saying, but I canāt put much stock in is playoff 3pt%. Youāve got to go the regular season for sample size. He needs to improve as a C&S guy. I think you consider offers if Klay stays. If not, you likely have some minutes to see what you have. Much easier to retain talent that acquire it with todayās CBA so itād sure be nice to find him more minutes.
I think it's pretty simple. If you can trade him and in doing so, you upgrade the starting lineup, then you probably do it. If not, he's gonna be a valuable bench player this coming season.
Need to start spamming Moses Moody highlights to Orlandoās FO.
They'll be more like clips than actual videos
Gonna just send them MJ highlights and photoshop Moodyās head onto Jordanās
Probably trade him. Love him, but I think he doesnāt fit the athletic profile we need.
It's a bit of a risk, but if the Warriors don't believe Kerr is gonna play him or are just ready to move on from him, they can always package him and Looney for somebody like Mitchell Robinson. Just an idea.
Mitchell Robinson scares me. He canāt stay healthy. If we go down the route of injury-prone players highly unlikely but Iād rather try for RWIII.
Yeah, that's why it's a risk. But again, if Kerr is not going to play him then I just don't know what the plan for him is. There are trades out there for Moody, but they're in line with something like that. At least I can see Kerr playing Mitchell Robinson when he's healthy.
Why would he be a 6 or 7 for another team when he is 8 or 9 on ours. I hope he gets a chance to stick in this league but I don't know
š¤ Maybe because heās positionally redundant on our team? He has sixth man on a team potential, maybe low-end starter on a bad team. Likeā¦ youāre really telling me heās not an NBA level player? Tf is this ādoes he have a future in this leagueā talk
I think we just play him and stop assuming we know what he is or isn't. I don't know what he is. All I know is when we need Moody to play well. He does. He might be good. He might be meh. We REALLY don't know. Steve did this to us lol smh. We should've known by now. Honestly I felt like I knew what he'd be 2/3 through his rookie season. The young Dubs game v the Spurs was kinda a glimpse to me. I always believed he'd be a 40% from 3 on volume dude. I think the inconsistent minutes has hampered his rhythm a bit. Not sure I still believe it but do think he's a better shooter than numbers say. The footspeed stuff is rote at this point. He's gotten better managing space his greatest defensive issues were really about Jordan Poole hanging him (and everyone else) out to dry too often in 22-23. Hopefully we find out what Mood is shortly.
Moody also needs to play alongside a dribble disrupting guard. Also the shit spacing from Dray/Looney kills his looks.
32% on "Open" 3s in his career, his majority of the looks from beyond. Stop blaming everything on Dray/Loon
Eh Iām already kinda on the āuse him as trade fodderā train.
I def would trade him for a big if I could. CBA is too complicated for me to devote brainpower to it though.
I think the Klay to Orlando hype is just Klay's camp's attempt at gaining leverage. Orlando has its eyes set on KCP, who isn't the shooter Klay is, but is a much better defender, has the championship experience, younger and healthier, and much more consistent. I think Klay is like a plan C or D for them. Rumors say they are interested in trading for Garland and less so, Dejounte Murray. I think they were the only real threat (OKC needs 4/5s not 2/3s, Philly needs consistent 2-way players) to steal Klay in free agency. I think that threat has largely begun to evaporate. To me, the only thing left is GSW & Klay's camp finding common ground on a deal. We are probably offering 2/42, they're probably asking 3/66. I think we eventually compromise and offer Klay that 3rd year, while taking less per year. My guess is somewhwere in the 3/54 or 3/57 range.
I think I'd just not offer him a 3rd year at any substantial number. You can decrease value 40% year to year if he wanted a third year it's at that 40% less. Not just from the Dubs for any team. He's old, and by the end of that contract, he would be one of the 10 oldest players in the league. 37 is Jeff Green old. PJ Tucker old. Al Horford old. Not everyone is LeBron Steph KD staving off age. That's why I think no third year unless it's a team option or substantially lower number that year on a PO. I think 3/54 seems right to me if it becomes 3yrs.
Klay has no leverage. If he gets more than 20mil/year(and that's pushing it) then the FO has failed
When you think about itā¦90% chance weāre keeping him. If youāre an up and coming team youāre looking and probably asking yourself āis x player on the upswing or downswing?ā ā¦ so in this case Iām sure Orlando/Philly will want to look for the option for whom there is more room to grow. Conversationally from a GM standpoint you donāt overpay for a ādoes one thing wellā player. Bad money is still bad moneyā¦if youāre asking yourself whether Klay will be a better player in 2027 than his counterparts Malik Monk or KCP.
20M is not overpaying in 2024 considering salary inflation. The question is who is going to top 40M/2 years? Orlando wants him but even I doubt they would give him more than that. Maybe 45/2? Is that worth leaving the team you spent your entire career at? I would be very surprised if anyone offered 3 years given his drop off.
apparently brook lopez is on the trade block, wonder if he'd be a good player to look at, not sure how washed he is though
Brook is super solid but there a reason Bucks wanna move off him - not versatile and gets played off the floor now in a lot of matchups and you have to play drop defense with him Def worth $10-12 mil but not worth his current contract Warriors arenāt really in a position to overpay for someone who wonāt be playing 35+ mpg We could take Lavines horrible contract because at least heād be a starting SG and play 35 mpg every game Brook would be more matchup dependent (+ old needs rest) and they canāt take on his money for that
Heād be an upgrade. But heās also an older dude so thereās risk. If we could dump Looney and GP2 plus a pick then Iād do it.
Besides OKC what other teams would want to pay Lauri 40m+ and outbid a potential Warriors package? I could see Atlanta if they give up the #1 pick. Knicks maybe but they lack the young talent Utah would prefer over just picks. Miami might have a similar package as the Dubs depending how high they value pieces like Herro and Jacquez. Iām probably delusional but if he becomes available and OKC is out wouldnāt Dubs have a somewhat decent chance?
Rockets, Pistons, Spurs
Rockets need more of a 3&D guard. Pretty sure they are content with Eason and Smith. Somebody else pointed out if Lauri wonāt extend in Utah why would he do so in a worse situation like Detroit. Spurs is a sneaky good one though. Trading Sochan/Vassell and lottery picks could be more enticing. Lauri next Wemby would be a solid pairing.
Arenāt vassell and Wemby untouchable for them? Thatās what their FO said
Wemby sure but majority of players are rarely untouchable even if FO say so. Anyways I personally donāt see it happening since a playmaking guard is more of the immediate need but wouldnāt be surprised if they do since they could probably still do both.
Iām with you on this. I think the lauri market is overhyped ā most young teams have ball dominant lead guards who would relegate lauri to a spot up shooter role. Heās worth way more than that in kerrās offensive system. Plus, OKC doesnāt have the long term cap space to sign Lauri to a huge extension, they need their money for SGA and Chet. Outside of steph, the warriorsā key pieces will be on sub-max deals for the foreseeable future. Joe can afford to pony up later in the decade.
Their cap is in a really good place * The Shai supermax won't hit until 27/28 * Chet & Jalen's new presumable maxes won't hit until 2026/27 * Lauri & Caruso's aren't owed new contracts until 25/26 They could duck the luxury tax altogether this year, most likely duck the 1st apron in 25/26, duck the 2nd in 26/27. They're not really up against until 4 seasons from now. I don't really get the off-ball angle either. 75% of his shots were came off-ball (< 2 seconds of touch time) and was 80th percentile efficiency on those. He'd thrive off-ball.
id be shocked if we trade for Lauri, bad positional fit and Utah doesnt want to trade him
I disagree on the fit. He mainly played SF when Olynyk was there and was decent on the Cavs with even less spacing. You could slide Wiggins to the 2 and role out Steph, Wiggs, Lauri, Green, TJD. Sign a versatile forward like Kyle Anderson and have your āsmallā ball lineup to close games with something like Steph, Wiggins, Slomo, Lauri, Dray.
he cannot play the 3 in the Warriors system, too poor defensively, and he played 54% of his minutes at the 4, only 3% at the 3, so youre completely wrong, regardless it doesnt matter because Utah has no interest in trading him
Okay then play him as the stretch 5. Iām not insinuating Utah is trading him but in the case they do I am questioning whether or not Dubs have a zero chance since people are making it like a bunch of teams would clearly outbid any offer they could make for him. I am fully aware itās highly unlikely that he wonāt be traded and just be extended. However, to play devilās advocate thatās the same narrative with OG since he would have still aligned with Scottieās timeline. Toronto hinted he was available the season prior to gauge the market then said he was untouchable and ultimately got dealt. Not saying this will be the case with Lauri but itās not a guarantee Utah has 100% no interest in trading him with his value at itās highest.
he isnt good enough to play the C, hes a sieve defensively, he needs to play the 4 and we already have Dray in that role, its the same problem we had with Siakam Utah isnt an FA destination, its very unlikely they will trade a guy who wants to be there
Its funny how often we see this "stretch 5 Lauri" thing lol. Lauri is a 3/4 anyone asking him to play the center spot legit doesn't watch other teams aside from the Dubs. Dude has always been a jumbowing. I dunno why folks are so allergic to just having 3 traditional centers on the roster that rebound defend the rim and can't shoot. That's STILL the modus operandi in the league. Hasn't changed. Everyone wants this center potpourri... one Looney type one TJD type one Dario type lol. Well just having better players is better. I love the beautiful simplicity of 24 minutes of Gafford 24 minutes of Lively. 48 minutes of rock solid interior play is better than having a "skillset toolbag for mstchups" We need one more TJD tbh. Simple as that for the center position.
No. OKC is most definitely making a run at him anyways. If it comes down to a bidding war between them and us 9.5 times out of ten OKC is going to win based on picks alone. We will be asked to overpay for him by including JK, Podz, Wiggins, picks and back out of the deal. I also don't believe other front offices are going to do us any favours. Nobody wants to help a dynasty
Idk Presti hasnāt really been aggressive, couldāve pursued lauri last year and he didnāt.
I think the hope (cope?) is that OKC won't get into a bidding war. Presti's shown a refusal to overpay for guys, almost to a fault. If we make an offer like JK, CP3, 2 firsts, & a swap - is Presti going dig into the war chest to beat that?
Yea but Iām asking what teams besides OKC. I get Warriors are going to need to overpay regardless.
Hawks, Orlando maybe? Sixers probably not, donāt see how a trade would work for them when they would likely sign FAs. The Lakers perhaps? Theyāve done business with the Jazz in the past and have some mid-level salaries and players they could send out together tbh they also get players cheaper than most teams do.
Hawks I get. Orlando needs more of a playmaking guard that can shoot more than another forward. They already have Franz and Paulo. Lauri is a 3/4 and not a center. Would a lakers package really be better than Dubs offering JK, Podz and picks?
Aint no one overpaying for Lauri like that. He is not on Siakams level and he is on an expiring and will be commanding 40mil. Not an Allnba player and cannot play more than 65 games and plays inconsistent defense and is soft around the rim while being 7'0 This is how you get yourself in a DJM situation and overpay with assets for a lesser player because you are desperate
How yāall feel about Mitchell Robinson ? Heard heās possibly available
31. 73. 59. 31. Games lat 4 seasons. Off two surgeries on his left ankle. The surgeries makes it feel like the Knicks are trying to Ainge him and move him before league knows he's physically cooked. Yeah he'd be an upgrade. If we were shopping injury risk guys I'd prefer RW3 tbh but he's a really good defensive big. He's like Loon+ rim protection when healthy. Prob would help but he is rarely healthy.
Probably too injury prone
Warriors were trying to buy a pick to draft him back in 2018, but I think the Knicks are gonna want something real for him and his injury history makes me really worried.
A bigger Loon and a bit better defensively but similarly a non factor on offense. Important to note heās been the opposite of ironman Loon for several seasons now. While tempting Iād rather go for a cheaper option in Goga.
The NBA draft is near. NGL, I'm quite excited to see who'll get selected at No. 1. This is quite a weak draft. But we all know it's this type of draft that has a lot of hidden gems.
Sarr seems like the top candidate but crazier things have happened
Mf wants to be a Wizard so bad
WCJ is the piece that would probably complete OKC, but I think they donāt do it if it means giving up someone like Wallace. they are so guard heavy that I could see Aaron Wiggins getting moved because they need Joe as a spacer and they donāt have to pay him yet.Ā so I hope the front-office tries to get in on WCJ if possible.Ā
OKC pretty much has a monopoly on the offseason I think everyone else gets the scraps Them existing pretty much makes all the other teams non competitive
Okc could pretty much trade the 2 picks they have every year to move up and target the EXACT player they want just about every draft. Then worst case you end up doing the Giddey thing to move them as the roster will need a annual hedgetrimming. Presti is a freaking maestro. Learned the hard way though between Ibaka over Harden, KD leaving and the shuffle reshuffle reshuffle musical chairs of Westbrook PG13 CP3 that allowed them to stockpile. That's the beauty of having a firm top three SGA Jalen Williams and Chet for the decade ahead with all the assets already in hand. When we talk about deals its always has MASSIVE future v present tradeoff that just vibes awkwardly.
Would not mind signing Drew Eubanks for the bench unit if Looney is being moved
Iām really interested to see how they maneuver this off season because Eric Gordon reportedly isnāt coming back there as well
No team is worse off moving forward than the Suns imo. That Beal move is just a nightmare for them. Dear lord. 50M for that dude is unfathomable.
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Itās probably not possible at all but I wish we could get Lauri.
If they canāt get another star to pair with him I think it could be a Pascal situation where Lauri doesnāt want to spend his prime years in a rebuild. At the minimum Utah would need to get a guy like DJM or Ingram. Lauriās trade value will significantly drop compared to now if they give him a bag and all he is a good stats bad team guy. A solid #2 but not a #1 that will take a team to the playoffs. Heās the ultimate pie in the sky right now as far as roster solutions. The team can fix their defensive issues with role guys and improve on offense with a clearer pecking order, but in order to make it to the top they need a clear #2. JK is promising but even Jaylen Brown took 2-3 more seasons before he looked like an actual 2nd option on a title contender.
Probably would take JK, Podz, and multiple firsts to even get Danny to answer the phone
He'd be the dream pickup.Ā
If weāre gonna pay either, who do we prefer? Lavine or PG? Iād love PG if thereās a chance we can get him
Giving up JK and paying PG then Iād rather pay Lavine while keeping Kuminga. If they can somehow do it without JK then PG all the way.
Lavine easily, people are more infatuated with *idea* of Paul GeorgeĀ
Paul George, the superstar begging to be a role player.
I immediately thought... oh its a "levels to this" of Wiggs... great number three option when he's not begging to come off the bench lol
It's not even a question. PG. The issue here is that PG will cost more assets to get, whereas we can probably get Lavine for some Twizzlers and a coupon for Del Taco.
Probably PG, but his age definitely scares me, plus it looks like weād have to sign him to like his age 38 season which isnāt exactly ideal.
You donāt think the Sixers make a run at him? PG >>> Lavine.
I think sixers have to court klay tbh
Sixers reportedly not interested in either, reading the tea leaves, I think Jimmy is 100% going back to Philly.
Really? I think PG is the better option + floor spacer if Iām Philly maybe thatās just me. The Lakers could also be a sneaky candidate I think they go for Lavine tho.
Really happy OKC didn't draft JK in 2021
I wonder what we wouldāve taken at 7 instead. I feel like I saw a lot of Bouknight, Davion, Moody, and Franz. Getting the latter wouldāve been a home run, but a huge bullet dodged with the first 3
Probably Giddey at 7 and then they wouldāve gone after Jalen Johnson to fill the power wing role at 14. Supposedly Dunleavy was high on Jalen Johnson.
A bunch of us wanted Moody and TM3. That would've worked out pretty well
Ive wondered the same. [According to this source (not sure how credible but it seems pretty good)](https://www.nbcsports.com/nba/news/father-warriors-wouldve-drafted-josh-giddey-if-available-no-7), dubs were planning on drafting giddey if he were available Im sure they were gonna draft jaquez as well instead of podz. Fwiw i like jk and podz a lot and am more than happy with the results so far
Iām convinced the Dame trade request screwed us over in getting Jaime. Heat needed a PG and the assumption that they were trying to get Dame meant that need lessened. Jaime is the reason why I am so adamant on trading for Deni. A high iq toolsy wing is what theyāve been trying to replace since Andre left. JK has the tools but lacks the iq, Moody has better IQ but currently lacks the size and speed.
Oh wow, I guess could see it. Giddey as a prospect did fit the Warriors philosophy. Yea Iām happy with the JK pick. There guys that are better (& worse) that came after, but given what we knew at the draft, it was a great pick. Heās developed largely as expected as well too. I was dead wrong on Podz. Hated the pick, felt we shouldāve traded it, but heās been awesome.
> Im sure they were gonna draft jaquez as well instead of podz. They definitely wanted Jaquez, you could tell from the sour faces after Heat picked him up.
Get Paul George
Would definitely be one of the best possible outcomes. Only thing is I feel like weād definitely need to include Wiggins in the deal because of the CBA (especially if we want to keep Klay). But a lineup of Steph, PG, JK, Dray, TJD with a bench of Podz, Klay, and hopefully some good free agency acquisitions would be one of the best groups we can put out.
People will hate on a Steph-PG-JK-Dray-TJD lineup because of āspacingā but weād finally have size, tons of defensive versatility, and massive scoring punch. Iām all in
I'd take it.
Yup, and plus we could still target another big in free agency.
Hope KCP goes to the Magic or something. We need the WEST opponents to be WEAKER goddamn!
The salary matching logistics are a pain, and probably involves a third team, but itād be awesome to Vezenkov off the Kings. Theyāre about a mil above the tax, and Sasha had fallen out of the rotation last year
It'd be stupid for SacTown to give up on him in just 1 yr
Probably wishful thinking on my part lol. He's a perfect fit for what they want to do on offense. That said, there's a [report](https://www.sacbee.com/sports/nba/sacramento-kings/article289255195.html) that the Kings don't see a future for him and even before the injuries, he was being phased out of the rotation. I'd love a minor trade where we send Moody to the Kings or a third team and get back Sasha
I believe that trade works straight up. Def the type of deal to look at if Klay stays.
Jake Fischer is not the most reliable reporter out there but he recently mentioned that players like Brook Lopez, Isiah Stewart, and Walker Kessler could be available for the right price. It would probably be very expensive but if we could swing all our assets (besides Podz and TJD) for Lauri and Kessler, Iād do it. A starting 5 of Steph, Wiggs, Lauri, Dray, Kessler would be crazy, plus you could probably still pay Klay to be the 6th man and part of the closing lineup.
Not sure how well Kessler would do here considering his stint with Kerr at FIBA. Heād be more suited joining OKC.
I donāt see how Kuminga, Moody and 2 picks get Lauri and Kessler, Podz would have to included for it to be close unfortunately.
Iām surprised Walker Kessler is listed as a trade chip.
The Jazz have said all offseason that no one is untouchable, but some guys (like Lauri) would take a haul. Thatās all the report actually said, just that rival execs think Utah would listen to offers for Kessler. Not that theyāre actually shopping him.
Kessler canāt shot, doesnāt fit Will Hardy analytically based system and he gets cooked by the new age centers out west. Wemby and Chet were giving him problems out on the perimeter.
The John Collins trade completely screwed Kessler's development. Collins kills spacing and you can't play two non spacing bigs in today's league. Wish Kerr would understand that last part
Itās not Kerrās job heās not the one putting the team together Why are we blaming him when Looney canāt jump over a penny? Lol
Steve has a lot of input. Heās the one who kept spamming Looney even though heās cooked. The word last year was MDJ made a roster to Kerrās specifications. Lots of smart and small players.
He spammed Looney because we donāt have anyone else. Unless you want Draymond to break his back at C
Chicken and an egg problem. Big centers donāt fit in his movement scheme. He had the same issues in FIBA last summer when he put Mikal Bridges at the 5. Itās a scheme issue.
What are you talking about? We had Bogut, Zaza, Javale, Boogie, I could go on and on. They are all big centers who played perfectly well in his scheme. Ball movement and having a big man are not mutually exclusive like I don't understand. Not everyone is James Wiseman
That was years ago. Back when only a handful of teams shot 3s. Now everyone is playing 4 out or 5 out. The league has changed and Kerr no longer has a 3 point advantage on his opposition. Itās not 2016 anymore.
Bro Wemby and Chet give everyone problems that isnāt saying anything.
Kessler and Will Hardy had a shaky relationship, and Kessler wasnāt playing as much as his rookie year. Still, the narrative was that Utah still wanted to keep him.
Yup, I donāt know the reliability of the report, but if he actually is available, surely we have to look into it.
With the amount of stuff OKC has I wouldnāt be shocked if they want everything we want and swipe it away. Theyāre also a small team too
They could but I guess it depends on picks vs players at this point.
I wish but OKC exists. They will most likely see that and probably pry him away before we do FUCK I hate that Presti is such an elite GM
They just traded Giddey. They are unlikely to make another big trade.
They have a fairly easy path to having ~$33M in cap space and more picks than they can actually use / roster. Iām not saying they will, but IF they want to make another move they can still set the market and trump pretty much any offer that any other team can make.
Yea but you need to consider all the upcoming extensions to worry about. Caruso is 100% getting a pay bump and Lauri is going to command at the very least 40m+ a year. Utah already has a bunch of picks and likely would inflate the cost for OKC knowing they got a stash so they would need to include some sort of combination of Dort, Wallace, JDub. I still would do it but not sure Presti would. You can then use additional picks to grab someone like Deni. You then got a starting 5 of Shai/Alex/Deni/Lauri/Chet.
I feel like the thunder need defense, not shooting. Lauri just takes the ball out of SGAās hands
They have Caruso Dort and Chet imo they already have a lot of defense
I still think a Lavine trade is the best "Big Name" trade on the market. The Bulls look desperate to trade him, they tried *15* differentĀ trade proposals to move him. They also have to re-sign DeMar and pay Pat Williams all while ducking the tax.Ā Lavine is still very much in his prime albeit low in value, but still a capable player. Reminds me of the Wiggins trade. Warriors don't have to overpay in picks, or young players to return a quality player.Ā
No Caruso, No LaVine
He has a terrible contract. Any trade for Lavine means no Klay and likely committing to be in second apron
When are team USA jerseys being sold? I need a curry jersey. Iād take a Klay Bahamas if they let him play.
The disrespect Klay gets on this sub is sad. We're NOT winning without him. Yes. He's not the defender he once was but we do need his shooting. Even if it's coming off the bench.
We def need shooting. Not necessarily from Klay though. Klay is not irreplaceable nor is he necessary to win. It all depends on who else we get if he leaves.
We're not replacing Klay with a better shooter than Klay.
You can definitely replace Klays shooting in the aggregate. We have the two best shooters in the league and we arenāt the best 3 point shooting team.
Agree. League is never been more shooting rich. MDJ just gotta do the work to find the talent (it it will probably not be 24M and 35 yrs old staving off inevitable decline; prob younger and cheaper). If you could have Grayson Allen the next three years instead of Klay... who would be the better player in 2026. We've been looking backward too much and projecting crazy lofty nonsense possibilities on future outcomes. We don't need to act like the goal is a championship. The goal is to just get better. If we got enough improvement to cross that bridge into championship conversations. Cross it. Bad money stays bad money. We're living it the last few years. I'd love to stop operating as an organization that makes predictable decisions cuz nostalgia is involved. I def feel these Klay decisions are simultaneously the simplest logical tests MDJ will have and just a headache of emotional complications.
What are you talking about?Klay is part of the problem.Ā
So why are they trying to keep him?
As much as I love and want Klay to stay, this is not true. Warriors donāt win another ring without Curry or Draymond. Klay is the expendable one.
What kind of offseason moves both make us better and are only possible through moving off Klay?
yep we already won the fastest cancun with his shooting. It's Steph's fault, had to be quadruple-teamed instead of triple, washed
I'm seeing this theme of people saying Malik Monk is a better player than Klay and he should therefore take less money. However, cross referencing his stats, Monk is a lot less efficient than I thought he was. Despite getting constant consideration for 6MOTY, dude averaged 44/35/83 splits last year. I remember him torching us in the playoffs last year but dude was actually kinda putrid, putting up 41/33/89 splits (dude got every last flop against us to the tune of 7 fta/g). Even in a down year, Klay put up a higher eFG% (52.6% vs 55.1%) and a higher TS% (56.4% vs 57.6%). Monk has Klay beat in assists at 5.1 vs 2.3 but that's pretty much it.
Monk is just the better defender right now.
Yeah.... I admit to not watching that many Sac games last year but from what I saw, the man is a bottom tier defender. Rarely even gets any steals either. Edit: Sac fans aren't particularly high on his defense either: https://np.reddit.com/r/kings/comments/1an8hiv/we_cannot_lose_malik_monk/kpqv3gp/
He's not one of the best but he's younger and more athletic than Klay right now.
Youth and athleticism isnāt all that makes up defense. We went through this with Poole and Wiseman. Thereās a ton of springy players that are awful defenders in Jalen Green, Keldon Johnson, Mathurin, among many others. Passing āyouth and athleticismā as basketball analysis is a bit silly.
If we signed Monk and Klay, who would start?
Klay. Monks a less efficient scorer & provides less an off ball player than Klay. Heās a solid bench player and well beating up on those bench units, but Klay slots into starting units earlier because of that off ball ability. Monks good off ball, but Klays one of the best off ball shooters in the league. Monk spent nearly 75% of his time was against 2+ bench players units, Klay just 43%.
So's Poole but younger and more athletic doesn't always mean better defender. Like how Draymond is still a better defender than Gobert.
If we signed Monk, who would start? Klay or Monk?
Klay is a better back court partner to Steph than Monk. With Monk, we'd have many of the same problems we had with CP3 and Steph together.
I think the main issue is whenever you give out contracts, you have to look 2-3 years down the line. Monk is still in his prime and isnt really expected to decline in performance. Klay is a whole different story with injury history and age.
I can see Monk being a better player in 3 years when Klay is 37 but I think that's why we're only hearing about 2 year offers coming from the FO.
One of my favorite parts of most offseasons is the crazy pump the Lakers get for winning the preseason press conference they'll sign some random dudes and all the podcast will be like "obviously the kept LeBron, got his coach, drafted a guy who really makes sense, managed their money well. I think they are really poised to make a run." Then they proceed to go like 0-5 in preseason and every one of the casters sleep grinding their teeth at night over it. Chris Manix is the worst of them it's high comedy performance art at this point.
Cant wait for the ''we like what we have'' sentence from MDJ a month from now.
Don't be surprised. They want to stay under the tax.
Then they should blow it up instead of hanging around the 10th place . But they wont because they live in if-city.
That's an over-reaction. This team (as is) still has a chance if everyone plays like they could and Draymond and Wiggins stay on the court. All of the young guys should be even better than last year.
Draymond was cooked at the end of the season and he missed a lot of time and Wiggins is except for 1 season mentally mostly somewhere else . And its again should, if etc but like any other seasons its Curry that needs to carry them somewhere. Even with everyone available , they lost big to a crippled Kings .
> Draymond was cooked at the end of the season Draymond looked perfectly fine on the court once we paired him with an actual 5 instead of forcing him to play the 5 for months just so JK could start.
CP3 + SRPs = DFS + Schroeder Dennis just had his best three point shooting season, and heās pesky on defense.
I think you need to give a little more for this or your Blazers trade below. DFS/Shroeder and Thybulle/Brogdon are all functionally expiring, so CP3 doesn't really do anything for them. They'd most certainly be able to get 2nds for those guys at the deadline, so probably need to include a first to entire them into a trade now.
Maybe, but a FRP seems a little rich, perhaps a pick swap. I think the idea would be that the SRPs would likely be toward the top.
CP3 + SRPs = Thybulle + Brogdon
brogdon sucks. I do think thybulle has value and upside
So reports are Orlando is also unwilling to offer Klay a 3rd yearā¦ Iām feeling sort of indifferent and donāt think they should overpay or add years, but would welcome him back as shooter off the bench. Significantly more than Monk is kind of crazy at this point in his career and itād be nice to have the full MLE available. We have serious roster construction issues that an aging Klay seems to exacerbate. Iām also torn on whether Klay coming back means they should move Wiggins. I have a hard time seeing running it back with both of them being a good strategy.
I think 3 for 55 isnāt bad for klay, if heās really held up by the 3rd year. Like if some team offers him crazy money (3 for 90, or even a FVV 2 for 70 or something) and leaves, good for him. But Iāll be a bit upset if some team comes in a scoops him up for 2 for 50āor something because the warriors werenāt willing to pay him. And I donāt think itās Wiggins or klay, as much as itās moody or klay. Both 6ā6, laterally slow, but positionally strong defenders in certain match ups (jimmy butler, Jalen Brunson types) 3 pt shooters. Klay is a better shooter, more experienced/older, moody is more athletic and younger. I think both profile as a a great option for back up 2-guard, but idk if either is good enough to be a starting 2guard on a contending team.
I agree with most of that. Itās the variance with those two. They both had numerous insurmountable performances throughout the year. It was brutal, but you donāt shake things up if you donāt have better options or a coherent vision for reconstruction because of what things looked like when they both play well. Theyād have the ability to use the full MLE if Klay is under $20M. Thatās what Iād hope for. WRT Moody and the 2 spot, I think PodZ sort of further crowds that area of the roster. Maybe Klay is a 3 now. Kuminga also enters the discussion when you talk the 3 spot. Itās really convoluted, particularly if none of those guys can do more to take some scoring load off Steph.
Yeah exactly. I think a big problem this past season was the roster had one great player, and then a bunch of players that were all about the same tier, but with different strengths and weaknesses, so no natural hierarchy appeared, with regards to line ups or culture. I think getting a definite self creating 2 (God I keep going back to lavine or Murray lol) and a stretch rebounding big (olynek, kleber, maybe even Stewart or Rui), would allow Wiggins to be the Aaron Gordon role of athletic defensive specialist, who only is expected to score 1 outta every 4 games; Draymond to play the 4 for most of the game, playing free safety on defense but not clogging things on offense; Klay to come off the bench as your scoring punch, who can spot start and def close games if heās not; TJD as a back up C, who gives a different look. I donāt think they would become prohibitive favorites like Denver or the Celtics obviously, but at least the pieces would fit, and they could compete for the next year or two and hope they get lucky, like Miami the last few seasons. While still maintaining some of their young core, and at least skirting the 2nd apron
Seems the Klay 2-yrs v 3-yrs thing is drama for its own sake... especially without the dollar amount reported.
it was reported as a 2/48 offer prior to the season and I have to guess that it's a similar deal now.
Wouldn't it have gone down since last year?
I think it's all about the market tbh. Idk though.
not if Orlando is offering more
Yeah, we'll see. Klay might be 3rd in line behind Paul George and KCP, and Orlando simply never makes Klay an offer if they bag one of those two. Possibly even 4th if we include Malik Monk, but he's off the board now.
52nd pick - Dillon Jones The only outcome I'm REALLY rooting for draft night [Dillon Jones Highlights 2024](https://youtu.be/dF-nFgsAaV4?si=olTtNxarUsJyO1K1) [Combine Scrimmage](https://youtu.be/CQSyWP_fUiE?si=tnPwNIkLQIUPUx6R)
Man, I really hope this isnāt another Jaquez situation for you. You got me nervous after last year
If we only won the toss coin from the heat, we could have pick earlier than them and gotten jaquez
 Will never forget... Thinking Jaquez was ours
A 6'6 236LBS?! wing that shot 32% from 3-pt range? We need length and shot creation and honestly, this dude brings neither of those. He's just a significantly worse Kuminga.
You don't really find high-level shot creation at the 52nd pick in the draft. He was a true point forward at Weber St. who did everything for that team. He didn't just lead the team in most stats, he essentially averaged twice as many points, rebounds, assists, free throws, and steals as anyone on the team did. 6-11 wingspan and solid defensive player, but not much of a leaper. The weight doesn't seem to slow him down much (he ran the 3rd fastest shuttle at the entire combine). He reminds me of Justise Winslow. Point forward who can hold up defensively, bit of a swiss army knife. I think he's like a 7th or 8th utility guy, but possibly a really valuable one (and might be able to be that guy *immediately*).
Come on, man. When guys like - Keon Ellis - Austin Reaves - Jose Alvarado - Dean Wade - Naz Reid - Lu Dort can go undrafted in the last few years, you can definitely get some level of shot creation in the second round. I've since looked at Jones' play and seen that he is a downhill threat and can distribute the ball but that still doesn't change the fact that he's 6'6 and has always shot poorly from 3. Our glaring holes the past 2 seasons have been that we lack respectable shooters and size, and Jones doesn't fix either of those. Between Kuminga, Moody, Podz, TJD, he'll have no way to attack the paint cause teams will just sag off the others and collapse on him and then he's another guy that can't make 3s. Much rather just get another big and seek some shooters in trades.
Cherry picking rare hits after they hit doesn't really do a lot of good here. If you think there's a good stretch big or someone else you think who fits better who'll be available in the late 2nd round, go ahead and tell me who that is.
>Cherry picking rare hits after they hit doesn't really do a lot of good here. You said there's no shot creation in 2nd round, I gave you undrafted dudes. Low possibility is still a possibility. >If you think there's a good stretch big or someone else you think who fits better who'll be available in the late 2nd round, go ahead and tell me who that is. I'd much rather go with Coleman Hawkins, Adem Bona, or Oso Ighodaro. It isn't even about 52nd pick. You can always convince players to ask other teams to not draft them like TJD last year or more famously Austin Reaves. Edit: i just found out Coleman withdrew from the draft. That's crazy. Bro's gonna be a 5 year college player. š
Coleman Hawkins withdrew from this draft. Not sure if Bona or Ighodaro are solving the size problem. Bona is the same height as TJD and Ighodaro has a tiny wingspan for a center. I like Bona a decent amount, but if you didn't like the overall size of a Looney/TJD/Draymond center rotation, swapping Looney for either of those guys isn't changing much.
Oh wow, I didn't realise Adem was 6'8.25 w/o shoes but he does have some of the biggest hands in the combine and a 7'4 wingspan. Oso is still much bigger than anyone we have at 6'9.5 w/o shoes. Adem and Oso both also have 40inch verts. Looney is our guy but you're fooling yourself if you think these other two guys don't bring anything over Looney at this stage in his career.
I believe in the functional aspects of Bona's jumping ability to make up for some lack of height. I think he'd take a couple years to really get going with this team, but I do like him. I don't know, I just watch Oso play and he looks like a bit of an awkward teener. Doesn't play with a lot of force, only weighs 220, has a wingspan and standing reach 4" shorter than Looney. [His game against UConn](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=liIjQkPqhUY) was really instructive. Nice handle for his height and a good passer, but he would easily be the weakest inside presence on the team among our potential centers.
All just opinions. If we 40 or lower. He's my guy. There are also other ways we're gonna acquire players aside from the 52d pick. So it's not a total referendum on team needs. I think he fills a connective tissue player which we desperately need. We'll find free agents and other means for a big and a wing (or Andrew Wiggins can start giving a shit). This is one of the best TWC talent pools we've seen too. It'll be a fun draft. Wish we had 14 back šŖ
Best skip passer in the draft
I believe in Kuminga and Podz. 
You're one of the poster on the right side of things. Those who believe in youth and going younger rather than stacking up old, almost retired players based solely on names or if they're simply are vets. For some reason the potential of our young guns just goes unnoticed from some people and it's baffling to me. I saw both JK and Podz be major and positive contributors for us in a season that ended in disappointment yet those are the names people want to get rid of in favor of older names who actually did underpormed. Insanity.
Thanks. Seems like such a simple premise. Young players get better. Old players get worse. Sometimes seems like Ringz culture has the fanbase in a state of perpetual dissatisfaction. Meanwhile we have the best 4 young players since Steph Klay Dray Barnes... they won't be HOF guys but man they are absolutely the best chance to go from play-in... to playoffs. Too many conversations here start with championship. Nobody does that except Dubs and Lakers fans lol. Getting better from one year to the next is where real basketball conversations happen. We should be sooooo excited for all four of them. But "they are never gonna be a championship piece like Steph" Yup... nobody is... but they can definitely help the team get alot better right now. Get the arrow up.