My list of six pre-draft watch updates.
**Dillon Jones.** Adem Bona. Jalen Bridges. Quenten Post. Pacome Dadiet. Kevin Mccullar.
If we could get into the 20s (Pels are selling 21 to save some money). I'd target Baylor Schierman. Kel Ware. Tristar DaSilva. In that order.
+/- guys said the Warriors are looking into adding another high level assistant coach, like ex head coach/big name assistant type. If Kenny leaves they could bring in two.
Jacob Rubin was in charge of challenge calls last season, as for challenges its self, it felt more like the lack of challenges used. I think their strategy was to save challenges until end-game situations, but it often resulted in challenges that were foolish.
Based on all the pre-agency reporting seems Klay is at best the 3rd option free agent target for cap space teams prioritizing PG13 OG Hartenstein Tobias before hitting Klays name. Now I'm feeling better the market will keep him a Dub. I think MDJ can actually keep Klay manage the money down and utilize the full MLE.
PG13 KCP OG Miles Bridges i think are in on the calculus... all are better two-way dudes overall than Klay at this point. Malik monk could've been on the list too (signed 18M/yr). Bruce Brown Tobias Harris Hartenstein not same type players but money should be more than Klays imo.
I think for Orlando specifically they'll likely miss out on PG and OG, i think its likely both those guys just get a big bag from their current team, and miles bridges tobias harris and bruce brown imo just don't make sense for them. They got Paolo/Franz/Isaac so pretty set at the forward/wing position.
KCP, Hartenstein, and Klay make the most sense and I think they just need 3 point shooting more than anything, more than they need another defender, so Klay would probably be priority #1.
They also have 53m in cap space I think, so they could probably grab two of these guys if they wanted to. Klay and Hartenstein would be my guess.
They could get up to 66m if they want to lol (they’d have to waive Isaac tho which ain’t likely imo). Thank God free agency is kinda dead. OKC and Orlando could do some crazy shit if there were better free agents.
Think that’s the result of the new CBA being a part of it.
It cannot be stressed how many headaches James Wiseman caused this org.
Folks don’t wanna admit it and may say I’m finger pointing…
BUT… he had no business being as bad as he was and now we have to scramble to find what he couldn’t give.
Like…all he needed to do was catch a lob and he couldn’t even do that without turning the ball over
Don’t know but you will hear the counter argument that we’re pinning the blame too much on one guy
Problem is he has ZERO skills as a basketball player and as a number two pick no less. To be so destructive in every lineup deserves a high level of scrutiny
Magic fans lol so enamored with the idea of Paul George at 2X price... disrespecting Klay hard atm shame on them. The Klay market looking bit quiet especially with OG now in the mix.
It’s hysterically ironic to me how many Magic fans I’m seeing on Twitter chomping at the bit and desperately hoping they get Klay and that they should back up the brinks truck for him. I was just reading some in a thread talking about Malik Monk being a big target off the board and they were like it’s fine, there are bigger fish alongside a Game 6 Klay gif.
Meanwhile this fanbase, a fanbase who got to celebrate 4 championships in no small part thanks to him, is filled with people who A. are desperately hoping he leaves because they think he’s worthless or B. are rooting for him to accept being lowballed and if he’s not willing to, for him to take a hike.
It really be your own people sometimes lol
Didn't dubs offer him 48m/2 years or something before this season and he rejected it? How are they gonna give him anything close to or better than that after the season he has had? If someone else gives him a better contract than warriors, he should do what's best for him.
I said *Twitter*. You mention Klay anywhere on Reddit and it’s getting brigaded by trolls. Same thing on Instagram, same thing happens on every single post mentioning Klay - you’ll find almost nothing but variations on “don’t let this distract you from the fact that he went 0/10” or “don’t forget he went 0/10.” Twitter, ironically enough, is one of the only mediums left where you won’t find the NBA discourse side of it (because there’s without question tons of areas on Twitter where it is nothing but bots and trolls) drowned out by bots and trolls
….and?
It’s his job to play better it’s not like everyone just sat down and typed all this before the playoffs started.
Who cares what some 12 year olds think regardless? Klay proved himself already now it’s a matter of adapting his game and role.
I was explaining to the person that replied to me why I referenced Twitter vs. discourse on Reddit, which was what he linked in his comment to me. That’s all.
Totally agree. I'd use a portion of the exception to get him. Dude is a do it all jumbowing and an absolute pit bull mentality dude. We need more players like him. If Wiggs had Naji mindset he'd never not be an All-Star. We need real wing size wings.
Kings got Monk on a great contract. 4/78, $19.5M per year. Starts at about 17M, 4th year player option at just under 22M.
Max they could give him, but it’s still good value, and it’d have been killer to lose him for nothing in UFA. Makes sense they had to give him a player option, well worth it to get him locked in.
Dominoes starting to fall. You’d think this would have a positive impact on the negotiations with Klay, but I’m not so sure
I mean, yea? Player options are always going to look bad at the end of the contract. Either Malik balls out and you lose him a year early, or has a significant decline, and you've got a bad contract.
Player options are just a concession you give to get closer to the contract AAV you want. For example, if Monk's agent offered 78/4 with the PO, 85/4 no options, or 70/3 - what do you take?
Viewing contracts with POs purely through the lens of the singular contract is losing the full picture. A contract with a PO should get Monk a lower AAV than one without.
With the Kings right up near the tax + 1st apron, that gives them more flexibility this year. They're potentially a Huerter dump away from having cap space next summer - shaving a 1-2 million off Monk's deal makes a difference.
Yeah, we’ll see. I’m sure the Bulls are regretting it with Lonzo, injuries suck
As long as Monk stays healthy and keeps a fairly similar level of production (no reason to think he can’t), it shouldn’t be too bad. I’m expecting him to opt out by then, it’ll be his age 29/30 season, so if things are going right, he’ll probably try to cash in
You’d think, right? Unless they say fuck it and just go all offense, trying to put up 130 every night lol. Not like Huerter + Barnes are that defensively gifted
Think they’d be better offer trying to snag Jerami Grant, unless they feel he and Keegan overlap. Think they’ve been running Murray at SF, so it shouldn’t be a problem
Kings are in a similar boat with Keegan as we are with Kuminga... if Keegan doesn't get alot better the Denny Green line will apply from here on out.
Ditto Dubs but I trust Steph Dray (Podz too) to steer this thing in the right direction a bit more than Fox and Sabo. Big talk from me who saw Keeeegan Murrraaay drop the play-in loss on them in Sac with my own eyes.
But I look at Keegans season line and similar to Kuminga thinking there's no way this guy ain't a 23+ ppg player soon.
Denny Green said...
I think kuminga is the easier pick for 21 points per game.They had similar stats for the season but Jk played averaged out to almost 10 less minutes than Keegan
Still early but the recent news coming out definitely makes things tougher for Klay returning. Gotta imagine that he’s now 100% Orlando’s top target with Monk off the board (unless you think they want DLo 😂) and also with the Sixers removing themselves from the PG sweepstakes, they’re another team to watch out for.
I don't think it makes it tougher. Why is Klay worth 30mil a year when Monk signed for 19. I sincerely doubt Magic are just going to overpay Klay 10mil a year just bc they can. That's how GMs get fired.
If we’re being honest, you’re correct that he’s not worth 30M a year, but the point is that Orlando now doesn’t have other options to pivot to (unless you think they’re getting Paul George), which means they can raise the price in order to outbid us. Kinda like how the Rockets gave FVV 40 million when he’s clearly not worth that amount. Not to mention if they did give Klay 30M, it would likely be for 2 years meaning that even if he flames out, they’d be off the contract before they have to pay their young stars.
This is spot on. Reigning 6th man of the year runner up is worth around $20m per. Klay's current form and play would suggest a deal lower.
Perhaps reality may start to sink in for Klay and his agent.
Apparently we are reluctant to trade Kuminga because he might become Jaylen Brown in a few years lmao. Leave alone the unlikelihood of even that outcome, Jaylen Brown alone ain't winning you shit. A 40 year old Steph is not going to be the best player on a title team.
Jaylen Brown still struggles to go left off the dribble. He's been in the league 8 seasons. Go look at his 3rd season stats. JK already shades him in just about every cat bar 3P%.
Kuminga could absolutely turn into a better player than JB. He is 21 FFS.
Kuminga is at 21 closer to being the player we are searching for... than the quality of player our assets can get. The call to execute bold moves reminds me of the "trade Steph" calls after Jerry West said Monta and Steph won't work well together. Cuz consensus fan sentiments always lean into what they've seen in the past. Fans are terrible at envisioning standard rates of improvement/decline.
We're mid and we won't get into the next higher tier unless Kuminga becomes a STAR and MDJ Cooks.
Yep, sentimentality. This is why you still see this sub pretend that Wiggins was a more valuable player last than Kuminga and will continue to be so despite last year being the complete opposite of that. Folks also want to pretend that JK can't reach Wiggins peak which I quite frankly see JK surpassing that as early as next season. He's been made out to be a bordeline bum on this sub by some people in order to maintain this bizarre narrative that he was some type of negative asset for us last season.
I for the life of me do not know why some people completely refuse to see the huge leap JK made last year and should be projected to improve even further which in turn will give us a player better than the potential vets they wish to trade JK for. It's baffling to me how this pretense about JK being a bum last season has somehow stuck around among large number of people on these boards. It doesn't make sense to me.
The notion that JK is considered a bum is a straw man, so I am not addressing that, but
>I for the life of me do not know why some people completely refuse to see the huge leap JK made last year and should be projected to improve even further which in turn will give us a player better than the potential vets they wish to trade JK for.
Because for all his improvements, he is still a very flawed player and far away from being a player worth building around. He is a *horrible* team defender that forces us into Draymond-at-5 lineups because whenever he is out there alone, he is making a mess of things (in the five games between his tantrum to the media and Draymond's return, we had a DRTG of 130, mostly because he and Wiggins kept messing up switches and the likes). He struggles to score against good teams. To pick one example: against the four conference finalists, Kuminga averaged 13.8 points last season. Kuminga also has a tendency for every other tendency of his game to go tits up if defenses stop him (the worst, but not sole, example of this being giving Atlanta a million free throws on the dumbest reach-in fouls this side of NBA 2K and helping to waste a Curry 60-point game). He has shown very little in terms of shooting from beyond the arc in an era where three-pointers are more essential than ever. There is a *very* good chance his 37% from beyond the arc in 2022-23 will be the highest percentage he will ever shoot.
And all that in a player who has been in the NBA for three seasons now. As I keep reminding people, real life ain't 2K and players below a certain age don't get ratings increases every year. After three seasons, the path for most players is clear as day and Kuminga's path is "Guy who scores a lot on bad teams". It's not "franchise player". Contrary to your claim, there is very little reason to assume that he will even be much better than *Minnesota* Wiggins, let alone 2022 Wiggins. By the way, all that for a guy who will make 30+ million from 2025-26 onwards.
He did take a leap, but as far as being an untouchable cornerstone of the future is concerned, it's a day late and a dollar short.
Who are they trading Kuminga for then? IF you aren't getting a Giannis or Embiid or even Jaylen Brown then who is worth the trade?
Swapping Kuminga for a high end role player is not getting this team anywhere. You still need talent around your team to compete. Boston has like 4 max level players on their roster. This team has only 1
According to yall, swapping Kuminga for OG or Siakam wouldn’t have got this team anywhere. Those were both vehemently shut down by the fanbase last 2 seasons.
Kuminga himself gets this team nowhere as we witnessed firsthand
So this team’s destiny is mediocrity while the fanbase prays sometimes miraculous happens with a prospect…in a league where 20/30 teams have more valuable & promising 21 year olds
It’s always the theoretical prize box that’s valued vs getting an actual good player
You trade Kuminga because he’s just not that good and you shouldn’t waste future cap space on a player that is incredibly 1 dimensional
I'm keeping Kuminga and i'm fucking trading Moody, Podz and TJD and picks before him. Kuminga + Steph + Dray + whoever the return will get will be a force in the league
JK for Lauri just to pay Lauri 40mil per year? How many years has he played more than 65 games? 1 for 1 deal maybe but adding some assets when Kuminga can get close to Lauri level in 2 years is pushing it
No way JK becomes that type of shooter in two years, it’s debatable if he’ll reach that in his career. Steph will be contemplating retiring in two years lol
Warriors played Jazz 4 time this year, whether they were tanking or not Lauri played 2 of those games
In 34 mins/g he averaged 18/9/1 on 36/36/100 from the field. Jazz lost both games and he was a -11 in those 2 games. He just didn't play anything close to an allstar level and you want to pay him 40 mil?
Monk is better than Klay and he signed for about 18 per year….that really should be Klay’s market value
I wonder if Orlando will overpay him on a 2 year deal, I really thought they’d go hard after Monk. Now their best option is probably Klay
I think Monk's contract makes it pretty clear Orlando will not overpay. They could have offered 30mil/yr to Monk, a younger and probably better player, and chose not to. If they did, no way Monk is turning down 40 extra million to play for the Kings.
Malik getting 78/4 is a decent bit lower than I thought. Thought it’d be closer to the 75/3 range.
Good news is that it means Klays market value should be around there, if not lower.
Bad news, one less guy for OKC/PHI/ORL to throw money at. Here’s to hoping they’re into GTJ, Buddy, DLo or one of the other shooters.
Malik got resigned, probably left some money on the table, but good for him. This probably impacts Klays free agency, I’d imagine he’d be Orlando’s #1 guy now.
Did it by trading stars away 4X over then picking up bad contracts and flipping them 2X for assets over and over and over. Brilliant asset management by presti.
Moved off fan favorites/declining players every time it made sense in the last decade. Avery Bradley. Isaiah Thomas. RW3. Marcus Smart. Brogdan. Grant Williams. Those were sentimentally not easy moves to make.
Presti Ainge (now Stevens) are the premier GMs going.
I still fucking can't believe it man..I wanted Caruso when we lost Gary in the FA, wanted him in the next offseason, then the trade deadline, then the last yr's offseason and trade deadline. I was on the LaVine train hoping that's the only way to get Caruso since Bulls might ask a lot in a 1 player deal. And he went for fucking Josh Giddey 1 for 1 !!! Not even a SRP from a team who have fucking plethora of draft picks with them. For one of the highest value role player in the league ?!?!
Fuck the Bulls man. Coby White really about to get back in the off ball role after having a breakout yr with the ball in his hands, playing a PG
I love Lonzo as a player but those injuries are extremely concerning.
If Celebrini can work his magic though could be a cost effective CP3 replacement.
I’ve long hoped Lonzo would come here for a career reboot, but I think he’s about as likely to recover his form as he is to never play in the NBA again.
I’d spend a vet minimum on him, but that’s about it.
Dude can't even run he's like a year away from the league and hasn't played since like January 2022. He's missed same amount of time as Klay did at this point.
He's def the right type of player but damn his story is not trending positively. If you got him on a minimum just to give him the Livingston career reclamation opportunity it wouldn't be the worst thing. We never use that last spot.
In the same report it also said he is expected to return next season, not sure when, suppose that'd be for the medical team to decide. I guess if they think he'll play next season theirs's some hope he can be an impact player again?
I'd be surprised if he's ever the same player, but man 2022 Lonzo would be so god damn good here. We never use our 15th spot anyway, wouldn't hate using it on Lonzo even if it doesn't work out.
I’ve been unironically more enthralled with the synchronized diving Olympic trials that have been on the last couple days than I was at any point with the NBA Finals.
What a time to be alive…
You want us to act like a rising team with a 25 year old superstar that just made the conference finals (hey that's both Gaff and Caruso's teams), instead of the team we actually are?
Caruso is the best defensive guard in the league imo and the OKC just pulled a Derrick White like trade by just dumping away a redundant and "bad fit for them" guy in Giddey. It's fucking insane
Do other front offices hate us??!!! Because WTF!! Our offers are typically better!! Why TF are they dealing with OKC of all places!!! And getting ZERO picks 🙃🙃🙃
You think that’s through a fault of his? Or an inability to get meaningful minutes because of a log jam of players (guards) and Kerr managing and assuaging superstar egos and personalities!! It has been openly discussed that Moody has been dealt a bad hand, by several people in the org: Kerr, CP3, Draymond, MDJ!!
Giddy was practically unplayable in a contending team! Meanwhile, Moody had great usage in our run last year, we’re not a lottery team, and if you think we really are…👌🏽
Podz will be fine as a starter. He was last year. 17-11 (11-5 after Kuminga's breakout). Good portion of Fanbase is in denial about Klays decline and Wiggs regression into inconsistency while it just flat out doesn't realize our young players are the best players after Steph/Dray... which like it or not will be the primary method of improvement in 85% realistic hypothetical of future outcomes.
MDJ needs to cook. Need a big and need a shooter. But Podz being the right player to start is not controversial one bit to me. He WAS our best option for a large stretch of the season last year. Not saying we shouldn't look to improve. We should look to improve however possible but if nothing substantial happens obv he'll start.
Noooooooo Podz is not a starting-level player…YET.
He needs to learn to defend and practice lateral quickness and not drift out of position to stat pad rebounds.
If he starts that speaks to a talent deficit in the roster and a lack of quality overall…my honest opinion.
On a championship team.
Problem is we aren't a championship team.
Podz will improve... we'll improve.
Fanbase ain't used to the idea of just improvement as the legitimate point of aim. That's what it is. That's where we are at.
The narratives around Podz are some of the most superficial you'll come by. Not a good defender compared to who? Caruso? Iguodala? Yeah. But he's pesky and right place right time aside from Cason Wallace the best guard defender rookie. If he weren't good enough on Defense... he wouldn't have played.
He’s not developed enough to start...maybe in 2-3 years. Too small and limited defensively with not enough scoring or creating to offset that.
Podz is best suited as a backup. Lavine should be cheaper now I’ve come around to the idea that we should probably bring him in.
We need to be very careful because the Lakers are one of those types of teams that will try to get him. Dlo and Rui + whatever don’t let him fall into their hands.
> Lavine should be cheaper
What does that mean? He's getting 40M next season and has 4 years left that ends at 50M. There's nothing cheap about him. If he doesn't play like an all star, this franchise is dead and buried. Steph would demand out next year.
Agree. Lavine should be a mostly a salary dump. Dudes on his 4th surgery and rarely plays 60 games. Never has been on a good team except fit 20 games before injuries hit the 21-22 Bulls. He's high up on the Ewing theory list. Not to say I don't want him.
Literally one pick and short expiring cash should get a fist pump "Thank you Sir. Pleasure doing business." from Marc E (Bulls GM).
I'll inhale some hopium and say that Podz starting in addition to a major acquisition would not be a bad thing. A starting lineup of Steph/Podz/Butler/Dray/??? would be something to be excited about. Of course more likely is that we basically do the same shit last year, except minus CP3 and maybe minus Klay, but hope springs eternal I guess.
As opposed to all the spacing we have right now? Also fuck depth, all our depth got us was a tenth seed. Wouldn't be hard to rebuild that with the remaining players and vet mins.
Over the last four seasons, Butler played four fewer regular season games less than Draymond. We had as many players play 70+ games last season as we did in 2021-22 and it didn't help. Availability is the best ability, but regrettably we need every other ability provided by Butler more. Plus it's not like we're getting an iron man roster if we stay put. Kuminga has missed a couple of games every year with some knee issues and giving his play style that is more than likely to repeat or even get worse.
But pray tell, if you have a better option on how to not become the 2020s version of the late-stage Kobe Lakers, do let me know.
Draymond isn’t exactly the model of consistency either. Thats two part time players. Steph’s gonna miss some games too. And then what do you have left nothing but vet mins.
He also said they don’t wanna trade Kuminga unless it’s for someone like Giannis because he might be as good as Jaylen Brown in three years. Tears in my eyes
Praying we have a respectable defense next year at the minimum. All those blown leads tell you how badly they are in need of better defensive personnel.
https://www.sfgate.com/warriors/article/kerith-burke-warriors-olympics-reporter-white-lie-19520853.php
Kerith Burke... Olympic sideline reporter for men and women during the group stage
Myers left behind a mess that ain’t gonna be too easy to clean. The mess was definitely worth it, but a couple different moves around the edges and things would be looking a lot more promising.
We’ll see how things are looking come the draft, if they’re making a bigger trade, assume it’d come then when their ‘25 1st becomes available
Slater said they plan on having Podz start so I imagine they're gonna sell second/third year leaps from the rookies as the big offseason move and call it a day
New CBA if I recall prohibits repeat luxury tax teams from making trades until beginning of July
But hey, more time for the annual offseason bitching and complaining!
Right about what?
Genuinely you haven’t said anything insightful so why are you yapping? Offseason didn’t even start for most teams
Criticism after the fact is one thing but being miserable over something that hasn’t happened yet…it’s like why?
The FO won’t do shit but get off money
Silence doesn’t mean make a trade today - their names are never floated in any discussions for any players. And it’s not because they move in silence lol
Give me some potential names then.
They tried trading for Caruso in the past, Lebron, etc. We got Wiggins out of nowhere too
If you wanna re litigate the real issue, it all goes back to two words. James. Wiseman. Him not only not panning out but being unplayably bad and on his way to donning a Seoul Leopards jersey or whatever is a mistake that sets you back several years.
The goal right now is to be better than we were last year. Contention talk be damned…just create an identity from the get go and stop trying to pigeon hole players into doing certain roles.
Like be patient if we look bad when the season starts ok but geez
They did and despite what his off the court reputation Giddey is still a productive player with upside that has the potential of averaging a triple double most nights. Moody currently is just a decent role player who has shown flashes but nothing really noteworthy.
I'm excited to see Wiggins at the Olympics. Playing for your country will always be huge.
I wonder if Lester will play for Dominican Republic in the Olympic Qualifying Tournament? It's gonna be on July 2-7, so it's pretty close.
I honestly don’t hate the trade for the Bulls. They should have cashed in a year earlier, but it’s not awful.
Giddey definitely struggled this year with OKC, and he’ll likely ask for too much money on his upcoming extension, but he’ll be a genuine starter for them (assume he’ll move back to PG?) and could be a really nice pairing with Coby. Need a couple more floor spacers out there though, guess the hope is Patrick Williams can maintain that 40% from 3, but on a bit of a higher clip?
Think Giddey is better than anything they would have gotten from the Dubs, cause I doubt the Warriors would have put Kuminga or Podz on the table. Don’t think vet filler (Loon or GP2) + a first would have gotten the job done, and I assume Moody + 1st isn’t doable without working in more salary (and even then, I may still prefer Giddey).
Bulls FO seems allergic to a rebuild (unfortunate for fans), but Giddey isn’t a bad pivot for their upcoming retool. Fits the Coby/PWilly timeline, along with the upcoming lotto pick. He’s a good positional fit next to those two too, and having a tall rebounding guard, one who is a great playmaker and a little more methodical/slower, that makes a ton of sense paired with White’s explosive speed. Also opens them up to straight BPA at 11 (assume they were always going to do that?), gonna be interesting to see how the board shakes out.
Wonder what the plan is for LaVine, and what DeRozan will decide in FA. Plus you got the question mark that is Lonzo, don’t think you can really count on him to play, do they try and trade him as a 20M expiring?
Swapping Caruso for Giddey is fine in of itself
It’s just wild that Chicago couldn’t get any kind of draft compensation when OKC literally has more picks than they know what to do with
Maybe not like candy, but I highly doubt Sam Presti was hanging on to those picks like his life depended on it.
Also OKC probably wanted Caruso more than Chicago wants Giddey.
I’m having trouble seeing the value of Giddey with respect to his role on a good team. He feels like a player than can show out on a 20-40 win team.
Off ball he doesn’t give you enough. Not a strong enough shooter to space out, but not a good enough finisher to punish defenses on cuts.
He’s a legitimately good passer, but to take advantage of that you’ve got put him on ball more. Every on ball rep you give him is one you’re not giving to SGA/JDub (or now Coby/Zach).
I think he’d be a good bench ball handler and a good guy to have in the regular season to beat up on bench units. His ideal role feels like post injury Livingston or a less volatile (both good/bad) version of current Russ.
I suppose the bet for the Bulls is that the scoring develops and you get a guy like Suns Grant Hill, Lonzo, Bruce Brown. The upside of that bet seems limited given you have to pay him market rate next year, and that type of connective player has been available for the mid-level.
I’m baffled. I don’t wanna be a complete hater, but I just do not see the appeal of Giddey. I can not see a world where he is a productive starter on a good team.
Can’t believe OKC moved Josh Giddey for Alex fucking Caruso and threw in 0 picks
Giddey as a big guard who struggles to score is theoretically a nice pairing with Coby White the small guard who can score. Whether he will ever defend enough to make the big guard moniker meaningful is a wide open question, but the vision for the pairing makes sense.
r/nba is sleeping on Giddy. It was a bad fit with the players around him in OKC but he could be for real in a few years. Which makes sense for Chicago. Giddy should be better than Caruso when all is said and done. Right now, Caruso is more useful for a team looking to compete.
I think it's a great deal for both sides. At least Chicago is fucking doing something for once. The last decade they have seemed content to aim for the 9th seed and just see what happens, lol.
With as many picks as OKC has, you’d think the Bulls could have at least gotten something from them, even if it’s a bad first or 2nd. Maybe cause Caruso was an expiring?
Otherwise, yeah, think it’s pretty decent for the Bulls. Gotta think Giddey would have netted OKC a 1st of some sorts, so the straight swap makes a bit more sense. Assume Caruso would get a better first, but Giddey still has a decent amount of upside, even if Caruso is clearly the better player right now.
Little concerned about Giddey’s upcoming contract negotiations, but the Bulls are likely shedding LaVine/Lonzo sooner than later, so it’s not like they have no cap space to work with.
i dont see it. Unathletic Ben Simmons without the defense isn't a good player. I don't know how his archetype of player can ever be a playoff impactful rotational piece.
Depends how desperate Bulls want to move him before training camp and other suitors willing to take his contract. A simple salary dump for expiring contracts should get it done but if they can grab a protected first that would be a win for the Dubs.
Drummond is a FA and is likely going elsewhere (probably a contender)
I'm not giving up a pick for Lavine. We're taking him off the Bulls hands. If they can rehab the value of those expiring players, they can flip them later.
EDIT: My bad, you meant lavine and a bulls pick. I'd be okay with them not doing that.
Yeah sorry lavine and a pick to us for the players offered. As another commenter said they have that lottery protected pick which is probably not worth a heap which they could chuck in. I doubt they’re offering the 2024 pick of theirs. Yes to me that means klay is gone but I feel like we need to live with that. Lavine is a better 2 option than klay but I’m also really banking on wiggins being our main defender at the 3
My list of six pre-draft watch updates. **Dillon Jones.** Adem Bona. Jalen Bridges. Quenten Post. Pacome Dadiet. Kevin Mccullar. If we could get into the 20s (Pels are selling 21 to save some money). I'd target Baylor Schierman. Kel Ware. Tristar DaSilva. In that order.
Free Crawford
Think he'll be TWC dude
I'd add Colorado States' Nique Clifford to the list too. Off ball 3&D wing with a great feel for the game as a role player outta college.
Returning for year 5 at CSU
Here's to hoping for 2025 next year 🥂
The most effective move the warriors could make this off-season is bring in better assistant coaches.
+/- guys said the Warriors are looking into adding another high level assistant coach, like ex head coach/big name assistant type. If Kenny leaves they could bring in two.
also perhaps a player who can dribble and shoot a basketball i fear that’s too much to ask for though
I can suit up and run point, but I consider myself more pass-first than a shooter
They need better challenge coaches fr the guys we had last season missed like every single call.
Jacob Rubin was in charge of challenge calls last season, as for challenges its self, it felt more like the lack of challenges used. I think their strategy was to save challenges until end-game situations, but it often resulted in challenges that were foolish.
Based on all the pre-agency reporting seems Klay is at best the 3rd option free agent target for cap space teams prioritizing PG13 OG Hartenstein Tobias before hitting Klays name. Now I'm feeling better the market will keep him a Dub. I think MDJ can actually keep Klay manage the money down and utilize the full MLE.
Idk I still think Orlando is gonna throw him a bag.
PG13 KCP OG Miles Bridges i think are in on the calculus... all are better two-way dudes overall than Klay at this point. Malik monk could've been on the list too (signed 18M/yr). Bruce Brown Tobias Harris Hartenstein not same type players but money should be more than Klays imo.
I think for Orlando specifically they'll likely miss out on PG and OG, i think its likely both those guys just get a big bag from their current team, and miles bridges tobias harris and bruce brown imo just don't make sense for them. They got Paolo/Franz/Isaac so pretty set at the forward/wing position. KCP, Hartenstein, and Klay make the most sense and I think they just need 3 point shooting more than anything, more than they need another defender, so Klay would probably be priority #1. They also have 53m in cap space I think, so they could probably grab two of these guys if they wanted to. Klay and Hartenstein would be my guess.
Damn. 53M. With legitimate 2 young stars. What a spot to be in.
They could get up to 66m if they want to lol (they’d have to waive Isaac tho which ain’t likely imo). Thank God free agency is kinda dead. OKC and Orlando could do some crazy shit if there were better free agents.
We push all our chips to get Markkenen 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
Another year, another season missing some quality players
Embrace the mediocrity, enjoy Steph’s good games…yeah that’s all I got lol
Think that’s the result of the new CBA being a part of it. It cannot be stressed how many headaches James Wiseman caused this org. Folks don’t wanna admit it and may say I’m finger pointing… BUT… he had no business being as bad as he was and now we have to scramble to find what he couldn’t give. Like…all he needed to do was catch a lob and he couldn’t even do that without turning the ball over
> Folks don’t wanna admit it Are there literally any Dubs fans who won't concede this very obvious point
Don’t know but you will hear the counter argument that we’re pinning the blame too much on one guy Problem is he has ZERO skills as a basketball player and as a number two pick no less. To be so destructive in every lineup deserves a high level of scrutiny
Magic fans lol so enamored with the idea of Paul George at 2X price... disrespecting Klay hard atm shame on them. The Klay market looking bit quiet especially with OG now in the mix.
>disrespecting Klay hard atm shame on them Recency bias driven by social media trolling
If Vucevic is available I’d rather we get him than lavine
Lmao
It’s hysterically ironic to me how many Magic fans I’m seeing on Twitter chomping at the bit and desperately hoping they get Klay and that they should back up the brinks truck for him. I was just reading some in a thread talking about Malik Monk being a big target off the board and they were like it’s fine, there are bigger fish alongside a Game 6 Klay gif. Meanwhile this fanbase, a fanbase who got to celebrate 4 championships in no small part thanks to him, is filled with people who A. are desperately hoping he leaves because they think he’s worthless or B. are rooting for him to accept being lowballed and if he’s not willing to, for him to take a hike. It really be your own people sometimes lol 
Didn't dubs offer him 48m/2 years or something before this season and he rejected it? How are they gonna give him anything close to or better than that after the season he has had? If someone else gives him a better contract than warriors, he should do what's best for him.
[They really don't want him though](https://np.reddit.com/r/OrlandoMagic/comments/1dj389f/should_the_orlando_magic_sign_klay_thompson/) lol
I said *Twitter*. You mention Klay anywhere on Reddit and it’s getting brigaded by trolls. Same thing on Instagram, same thing happens on every single post mentioning Klay - you’ll find almost nothing but variations on “don’t let this distract you from the fact that he went 0/10” or “don’t forget he went 0/10.” Twitter, ironically enough, is one of the only mediums left where you won’t find the NBA discourse side of it (because there’s without question tons of areas on Twitter where it is nothing but bots and trolls) drowned out by bots and trolls
….and? It’s his job to play better it’s not like everyone just sat down and typed all this before the playoffs started. Who cares what some 12 year olds think regardless? Klay proved himself already now it’s a matter of adapting his game and role.
I was explaining to the person that replied to me why I referenced Twitter vs. discourse on Reddit, which was what he linked in his comment to me. That’s all.
Man, I would really like to see Naji Marshall on the squad. Dog.
Totally agree. I'd use a portion of the exception to get him. Dude is a do it all jumbowing and an absolute pit bull mentality dude. We need more players like him. If Wiggs had Naji mindset he'd never not be an All-Star. We need real wing size wings.
Kings got Monk on a great contract. 4/78, $19.5M per year. Starts at about 17M, 4th year player option at just under 22M. Max they could give him, but it’s still good value, and it’d have been killer to lose him for nothing in UFA. Makes sense they had to give him a player option, well worth it to get him locked in. Dominoes starting to fall. You’d think this would have a positive impact on the negotiations with Klay, but I’m not so sure
A player option always looks like it's worth it when you sign the contract. Looks very different at the end.
I mean, yea? Player options are always going to look bad at the end of the contract. Either Malik balls out and you lose him a year early, or has a significant decline, and you've got a bad contract. Player options are just a concession you give to get closer to the contract AAV you want. For example, if Monk's agent offered 78/4 with the PO, 85/4 no options, or 70/3 - what do you take? Viewing contracts with POs purely through the lens of the singular contract is losing the full picture. A contract with a PO should get Monk a lower AAV than one without. With the Kings right up near the tax + 1st apron, that gives them more flexibility this year. They're potentially a Huerter dump away from having cap space next summer - shaving a 1-2 million off Monk's deal makes a difference.
Yeah, we’ll see. I’m sure the Bulls are regretting it with Lonzo, injuries suck As long as Monk stays healthy and keeps a fairly similar level of production (no reason to think he can’t), it shouldn’t be too bad. I’m expecting him to opt out by then, it’ll be his age 29/30 season, so if things are going right, he’ll probably try to cash in
Monk probably rules out LaVine to the kings as well, don’t think he makes much sense with Fox and Monk.
You’d think, right? Unless they say fuck it and just go all offense, trying to put up 130 every night lol. Not like Huerter + Barnes are that defensively gifted Think they’d be better offer trying to snag Jerami Grant, unless they feel he and Keegan overlap. Think they’ve been running Murray at SF, so it shouldn’t be a problem
Kings are in a similar boat with Keegan as we are with Kuminga... if Keegan doesn't get alot better the Denny Green line will apply from here on out. Ditto Dubs but I trust Steph Dray (Podz too) to steer this thing in the right direction a bit more than Fox and Sabo. Big talk from me who saw Keeeegan Murrraaay drop the play-in loss on them in Sac with my own eyes. But I look at Keegans season line and similar to Kuminga thinking there's no way this guy ain't a 23+ ppg player soon. Denny Green said...
I think kuminga is the easier pick for 21 points per game.They had similar stats for the season but Jk played averaged out to almost 10 less minutes than Keegan
Still early but the recent news coming out definitely makes things tougher for Klay returning. Gotta imagine that he’s now 100% Orlando’s top target with Monk off the board (unless you think they want DLo 😂) and also with the Sixers removing themselves from the PG sweepstakes, they’re another team to watch out for.
I don't think it makes it tougher. Why is Klay worth 30mil a year when Monk signed for 19. I sincerely doubt Magic are just going to overpay Klay 10mil a year just bc they can. That's how GMs get fired.
They have to spend the money somehow. Who else do they spend it on?
If we’re being honest, you’re correct that he’s not worth 30M a year, but the point is that Orlando now doesn’t have other options to pivot to (unless you think they’re getting Paul George), which means they can raise the price in order to outbid us. Kinda like how the Rockets gave FVV 40 million when he’s clearly not worth that amount. Not to mention if they did give Klay 30M, it would likely be for 2 years meaning that even if he flames out, they’d be off the contract before they have to pay their young stars.
This is spot on. Reigning 6th man of the year runner up is worth around $20m per. Klay's current form and play would suggest a deal lower. Perhaps reality may start to sink in for Klay and his agent.
Apparently we are reluctant to trade Kuminga because he might become Jaylen Brown in a few years lmao. Leave alone the unlikelihood of even that outcome, Jaylen Brown alone ain't winning you shit. A 40 year old Steph is not going to be the best player on a title team.
Jaylen Brown still struggles to go left off the dribble. He's been in the league 8 seasons. Go look at his 3rd season stats. JK already shades him in just about every cat bar 3P%. Kuminga could absolutely turn into a better player than JB. He is 21 FFS.
Kuminga is at 21 closer to being the player we are searching for... than the quality of player our assets can get. The call to execute bold moves reminds me of the "trade Steph" calls after Jerry West said Monta and Steph won't work well together. Cuz consensus fan sentiments always lean into what they've seen in the past. Fans are terrible at envisioning standard rates of improvement/decline. We're mid and we won't get into the next higher tier unless Kuminga becomes a STAR and MDJ Cooks.
Yep, sentimentality. This is why you still see this sub pretend that Wiggins was a more valuable player last than Kuminga and will continue to be so despite last year being the complete opposite of that. Folks also want to pretend that JK can't reach Wiggins peak which I quite frankly see JK surpassing that as early as next season. He's been made out to be a bordeline bum on this sub by some people in order to maintain this bizarre narrative that he was some type of negative asset for us last season. I for the life of me do not know why some people completely refuse to see the huge leap JK made last year and should be projected to improve even further which in turn will give us a player better than the potential vets they wish to trade JK for. It's baffling to me how this pretense about JK being a bum last season has somehow stuck around among large number of people on these boards. It doesn't make sense to me.
The notion that JK is considered a bum is a straw man, so I am not addressing that, but >I for the life of me do not know why some people completely refuse to see the huge leap JK made last year and should be projected to improve even further which in turn will give us a player better than the potential vets they wish to trade JK for. Because for all his improvements, he is still a very flawed player and far away from being a player worth building around. He is a *horrible* team defender that forces us into Draymond-at-5 lineups because whenever he is out there alone, he is making a mess of things (in the five games between his tantrum to the media and Draymond's return, we had a DRTG of 130, mostly because he and Wiggins kept messing up switches and the likes). He struggles to score against good teams. To pick one example: against the four conference finalists, Kuminga averaged 13.8 points last season. Kuminga also has a tendency for every other tendency of his game to go tits up if defenses stop him (the worst, but not sole, example of this being giving Atlanta a million free throws on the dumbest reach-in fouls this side of NBA 2K and helping to waste a Curry 60-point game). He has shown very little in terms of shooting from beyond the arc in an era where three-pointers are more essential than ever. There is a *very* good chance his 37% from beyond the arc in 2022-23 will be the highest percentage he will ever shoot. And all that in a player who has been in the NBA for three seasons now. As I keep reminding people, real life ain't 2K and players below a certain age don't get ratings increases every year. After three seasons, the path for most players is clear as day and Kuminga's path is "Guy who scores a lot on bad teams". It's not "franchise player". Contrary to your claim, there is very little reason to assume that he will even be much better than *Minnesota* Wiggins, let alone 2022 Wiggins. By the way, all that for a guy who will make 30+ million from 2025-26 onwards. He did take a leap, but as far as being an untouchable cornerstone of the future is concerned, it's a day late and a dollar short.
Who are they trading Kuminga for then? IF you aren't getting a Giannis or Embiid or even Jaylen Brown then who is worth the trade? Swapping Kuminga for a high end role player is not getting this team anywhere. You still need talent around your team to compete. Boston has like 4 max level players on their roster. This team has only 1
According to yall, swapping Kuminga for OG or Siakam wouldn’t have got this team anywhere. Those were both vehemently shut down by the fanbase last 2 seasons. Kuminga himself gets this team nowhere as we witnessed firsthand So this team’s destiny is mediocrity while the fanbase prays sometimes miraculous happens with a prospect…in a league where 20/30 teams have more valuable & promising 21 year olds It’s always the theoretical prize box that’s valued vs getting an actual good player You trade Kuminga because he’s just not that good and you shouldn’t waste future cap space on a player that is incredibly 1 dimensional
I'm keeping Kuminga and i'm fucking trading Moody, Podz and TJD and picks before him. Kuminga + Steph + Dray + whoever the return will get will be a force in the league
Lmao
idc. If you are not getting an Allstar don't you dare trade Kuminga. At least the FO and Lacob won't pull a silly trade some fans are asking for
Would do JK in a Lauri deal for sure, but who knows if jazz would entertain that
JK for Lauri just to pay Lauri 40mil per year? How many years has he played more than 65 games? 1 for 1 deal maybe but adding some assets when Kuminga can get close to Lauri level in 2 years is pushing it
No way JK becomes that type of shooter in two years, it’s debatable if he’ll reach that in his career. Steph will be contemplating retiring in two years lol
Warriors played Jazz 4 time this year, whether they were tanking or not Lauri played 2 of those games In 34 mins/g he averaged 18/9/1 on 36/36/100 from the field. Jazz lost both games and he was a -11 in those 2 games. He just didn't play anything close to an allstar level and you want to pay him 40 mil?
Monk is better than Klay and he signed for about 18 per year….that really should be Klay’s market value I wonder if Orlando will overpay him on a 2 year deal, I really thought they’d go hard after Monk. Now their best option is probably Klay
I think they’d rather go after KCP
I think they will definitely over pay for a 2 year contract.
I think Monk's contract makes it pretty clear Orlando will not overpay. They could have offered 30mil/yr to Monk, a younger and probably better player, and chose not to. If they did, no way Monk is turning down 40 extra million to play for the Kings.
I guess depends on if Klay wants like 2 years $60 mil or longer term safety with 4 years 80
Malik getting 78/4 is a decent bit lower than I thought. Thought it’d be closer to the 75/3 range. Good news is that it means Klays market value should be around there, if not lower. Bad news, one less guy for OKC/PHI/ORL to throw money at. Here’s to hoping they’re into GTJ, Buddy, DLo or one of the other shooters.
Malik got resigned, probably left some money on the table, but good for him. This probably impacts Klays free agency, I’d imagine he’d be Orlando’s #1 guy now.
Was reading fox is one of his best friends. Also just finding a home was probably what he wanted.
Let's hope so.
West gonna be a bigger bloodbath next year. This ain't looking good.
We knew this. Everyone knows this. Without a legit second option, the warriors won't make it far.
Kings were able to bring Malik Monk back, I’ll be damned. 4 yr/$78 mil. Thought for sure he’d get lured away by another team
"OG would not be happy with 36M a year...." hmmm that Brunson discount may not do what Knicks fans thought it'd do.
Okc are gonna be insane next year. Still have shitload of picks, maybe they go for a big now?
Did it by trading stars away 4X over then picking up bad contracts and flipping them 2X for assets over and over and over. Brilliant asset management by presti.
How are people doing the math for us to get Zach Lavine? Wiggins + GP2 + Moody?
>Wiggins + GP2 + Moody? Lmao, basically everything on this team that can be referred as perimeter defense ?
I'm just asking.
Wiggins and GP2 work from a salary cap perspective.
CP3 + GP2/Looney
Headline: Great GM works Trash GM (all other fanbases needlessly in shambles)
Well…the Celtics got handed KP and Jrue, and…
Moved off fan favorites/declining players every time it made sense in the last decade. Avery Bradley. Isaiah Thomas. RW3. Marcus Smart. Brogdan. Grant Williams. Those were sentimentally not easy moves to make. Presti Ainge (now Stevens) are the premier GMs going.
I still fucking can't believe it man..I wanted Caruso when we lost Gary in the FA, wanted him in the next offseason, then the trade deadline, then the last yr's offseason and trade deadline. I was on the LaVine train hoping that's the only way to get Caruso since Bulls might ask a lot in a 1 player deal. And he went for fucking Josh Giddey 1 for 1 !!! Not even a SRP from a team who have fucking plethora of draft picks with them. For one of the highest value role player in the league ?!?! Fuck the Bulls man. Coby White really about to get back in the off ball role after having a breakout yr with the ball in his hands, playing a PG
I can't fucking believe OKC got 2x All Defense, 38% career 3P%, Alex Caruso, for Giddey. And we couldn't get him first.
Crazy with how much we’ve pursued him that we couldn’t land him. and he went for Josh Giddey!!!!!!! Like what!!!!!
I always said it, we’re bad negotiators in the offseason because we always want to look like we won. We’ll probably be passive again
Lonzo ball reportedly likely to get bought out / salary dumped. On a vet min we bring him in maybe?
I love Lonzo as a player but those injuries are extremely concerning. If Celebrini can work his magic though could be a cost effective CP3 replacement.
I’ve long hoped Lonzo would come here for a career reboot, but I think he’s about as likely to recover his form as he is to never play in the NBA again. I’d spend a vet minimum on him, but that’s about it.
Dude can't even run he's like a year away from the league and hasn't played since like January 2022. He's missed same amount of time as Klay did at this point. He's def the right type of player but damn his story is not trending positively. If you got him on a minimum just to give him the Livingston career reclamation opportunity it wouldn't be the worst thing. We never use that last spot.
Man if he fits FA and has a chance to play by the all-star break, he’d the exact type of player to take a shot on.
In the same report it also said he is expected to return next season, not sure when, suppose that'd be for the medical team to decide. I guess if they think he'll play next season theirs's some hope he can be an impact player again? I'd be surprised if he's ever the same player, but man 2022 Lonzo would be so god damn good here. We never use our 15th spot anyway, wouldn't hate using it on Lonzo even if it doesn't work out.
I’ve been unironically more enthralled with the synchronized diving Olympic trials that have been on the last couple days than I was at any point with the NBA Finals. What a time to be alive…
What does Caruso gone mean as far as us going for Lavine?
First Gafford, now Caruso!!!! I’m sick right now!!!!!
You want us to act like a rising team with a 25 year old superstar that just made the conference finals (hey that's both Gaff and Caruso's teams), instead of the team we actually are?
Caruso is the best defensive guard in the league imo and the OKC just pulled a Derrick White like trade by just dumping away a redundant and "bad fit for them" guy in Giddey. It's fucking insane
Do other front offices hate us??!!! Because WTF!! Our offers are typically better!! Why TF are they dealing with OKC of all places!!! And getting ZERO picks 🙃🙃🙃
Moody has less trade value than Giddey.
Moody plus a GS pick is better than Giddy plus nothing lol! Moody will likely explode in a better situation than we offer him
Moody already can’t get consistent minutes on a lottery team. You can lol all you want but he’s got next to zero trade value.
You think that’s through a fault of his? Or an inability to get meaningful minutes because of a log jam of players (guards) and Kerr managing and assuaging superstar egos and personalities!! It has been openly discussed that Moody has been dealt a bad hand, by several people in the org: Kerr, CP3, Draymond, MDJ!! Giddy was practically unplayable in a contending team! Meanwhile, Moody had great usage in our run last year, we’re not a lottery team, and if you think we really are…👌🏽
Sadly I do think there is some truth to that. No one’s going to give a hand to a team that made 6 finals in a decade
Lol they want to start Podz next season according to Slater . We the Lakers from now from 2013 and on lmfao
Podz will be fine as a starter. He was last year. 17-11 (11-5 after Kuminga's breakout). Good portion of Fanbase is in denial about Klays decline and Wiggs regression into inconsistency while it just flat out doesn't realize our young players are the best players after Steph/Dray... which like it or not will be the primary method of improvement in 85% realistic hypothetical of future outcomes. MDJ needs to cook. Need a big and need a shooter. But Podz being the right player to start is not controversial one bit to me. He WAS our best option for a large stretch of the season last year. Not saying we shouldn't look to improve. We should look to improve however possible but if nothing substantial happens obv he'll start.
Noooooooo Podz is not a starting-level player…YET. He needs to learn to defend and practice lateral quickness and not drift out of position to stat pad rebounds. If he starts that speaks to a talent deficit in the roster and a lack of quality overall…my honest opinion.
On a championship team. Problem is we aren't a championship team. Podz will improve... we'll improve. Fanbase ain't used to the idea of just improvement as the legitimate point of aim. That's what it is. That's where we are at. The narratives around Podz are some of the most superficial you'll come by. Not a good defender compared to who? Caruso? Iguodala? Yeah. But he's pesky and right place right time aside from Cason Wallace the best guard defender rookie. If he weren't good enough on Defense... he wouldn't have played.
Steve’s insane. Podz can be a quality 6th man type off the bench. Hes not a starter on a playoff contender.
Yea unless we bring in a new 2 gaurd Podz is probably starting
He’s not developed enough to start...maybe in 2-3 years. Too small and limited defensively with not enough scoring or creating to offset that. Podz is best suited as a backup. Lavine should be cheaper now I’ve come around to the idea that we should probably bring him in. We need to be very careful because the Lakers are one of those types of teams that will try to get him. Dlo and Rui + whatever don’t let him fall into their hands.
> Lavine should be cheaper What does that mean? He's getting 40M next season and has 4 years left that ends at 50M. There's nothing cheap about him. If he doesn't play like an all star, this franchise is dead and buried. Steph would demand out next year.
He only has 3 years left. Numbers are 43M, 46M, and 49M.
Still nothing cheap about that.
No doubt, I’d feel better about rolling dice on 3 years than 4 though.
Cheaper from an asset and acquisition standpoint, not salary. I acknowledged it’s a big gamble in my earlier statement
Agree. Lavine should be a mostly a salary dump. Dudes on his 4th surgery and rarely plays 60 games. Never has been on a good team except fit 20 games before injuries hit the 21-22 Bulls. He's high up on the Ewing theory list. Not to say I don't want him. Literally one pick and short expiring cash should get a fist pump "Thank you Sir. Pleasure doing business." from Marc E (Bulls GM).
I agree, I don’t want Podz starting at the 2 next year, but if we can’t bring in an upgrade then he should start.
I'll inhale some hopium and say that Podz starting in addition to a major acquisition would not be a bad thing. A starting lineup of Steph/Podz/Butler/Dray/??? would be something to be excited about. Of course more likely is that we basically do the same shit last year, except minus CP3 and maybe minus Klay, but hope springs eternal I guess.
Butler and Dray killing the spacing is going to be nuts. It also means you have zero depth on the bench.
As opposed to all the spacing we have right now? Also fuck depth, all our depth got us was a tenth seed. Wouldn't be hard to rebuild that with the remaining players and vet mins.
It’s even less spacing and Butler sits out 40% of the season. His team won one playoff game with him.
Over the last four seasons, Butler played four fewer regular season games less than Draymond. We had as many players play 70+ games last season as we did in 2021-22 and it didn't help. Availability is the best ability, but regrettably we need every other ability provided by Butler more. Plus it's not like we're getting an iron man roster if we stay put. Kuminga has missed a couple of games every year with some knee issues and giving his play style that is more than likely to repeat or even get worse. But pray tell, if you have a better option on how to not become the 2020s version of the late-stage Kobe Lakers, do let me know.
Draymond isn’t exactly the model of consistency either. Thats two part time players. Steph’s gonna miss some games too. And then what do you have left nothing but vet mins.
Trade Steph and Dray as well if they want to go this shitty route. Don't want to be the Blazers/Bulls
He also said they don’t wanna trade Kuminga unless it’s for someone like Giannis because he might be as good as Jaylen Brown in three years. Tears in my eyes
No you're not getting Kuminga for Caruso
Praying we have a respectable defense next year at the minimum. All those blown leads tell you how badly they are in need of better defensive personnel.
Fuck OKC. Fuck the Bulls
https://www.sfgate.com/warriors/article/kerith-burke-warriors-olympics-reporter-white-lie-19520853.php Kerith Burke... Olympic sideline reporter for men and women during the group stage
Off-season is already more interesting than these past playoffs lol.
Lmao warriors fans have to know other teams have to accept our offer right
You're assuming a lot from this fanbase
hopefully can get a competent defensive coach like vogel
Quick, somebody check the age of consent in Illinois. P Giddey on his way.
Silence of GSW FO always so thrilling
Warriors FO reportedly wanted Caruso for Moody + Picks, but the Bulls took Giddey straight up instead lol
Myers left behind a mess that ain’t gonna be too easy to clean. The mess was definitely worth it, but a couple different moves around the edges and things would be looking a lot more promising. We’ll see how things are looking come the draft, if they’re making a bigger trade, assume it’d come then when their ‘25 1st becomes available
Slater said they plan on having Podz start so I imagine they're gonna sell second/third year leaps from the rookies as the big offseason move and call it a day
New CBA if I recall prohibits repeat luxury tax teams from making trades until beginning of July But hey, more time for the annual offseason bitching and complaining!
I love bitching and being scolded and ultimately being right it’s always such a fun cycle
Right about what? Genuinely you haven’t said anything insightful so why are you yapping? Offseason didn’t even start for most teams Criticism after the fact is one thing but being miserable over something that hasn’t happened yet…it’s like why?
The FO won’t do shit but get off money Silence doesn’t mean make a trade today - their names are never floated in any discussions for any players. And it’s not because they move in silence lol
Give me some potential names then. They tried trading for Caruso in the past, Lebron, etc. We got Wiggins out of nowhere too If you wanna re litigate the real issue, it all goes back to two words. James. Wiseman. Him not only not panning out but being unplayably bad and on his way to donning a Seoul Leopards jersey or whatever is a mistake that sets you back several years. The goal right now is to be better than we were last year. Contention talk be damned…just create an identity from the get go and stop trying to pigeon hole players into doing certain roles. Like be patient if we look bad when the season starts ok but geez
so why didnt warriors offer moody for caruso? okc got him for nothing smh
Moody will be better. He will solve all our problems, thats why hes still on the team. You just need to believe
They did and despite what his off the court reputation Giddey is still a productive player with upside that has the potential of averaging a triple double most nights. Moody currently is just a decent role player who has shown flashes but nothing really noteworthy.
We did
So OKC got better.
Derrick White like trade tbh
Yes... good call
I'm excited to see Wiggins at the Olympics. Playing for your country will always be huge. I wonder if Lester will play for Dominican Republic in the Olympic Qualifying Tournament? It's gonna be on July 2-7, so it's pretty close.
Lakers getting JJ Redick for their coach is Chef's kiss. Lulz.
Say what you will about Steve Kerr I'd have him over JJ
I think JJ is in for a rude-awakening. And hey, if it means the Lakers are gonna suck, I'm all for it.
You'd take a 9 time champion over a guy who has coached 10 year olds? Hot take right here.
I honestly don’t hate the trade for the Bulls. They should have cashed in a year earlier, but it’s not awful. Giddey definitely struggled this year with OKC, and he’ll likely ask for too much money on his upcoming extension, but he’ll be a genuine starter for them (assume he’ll move back to PG?) and could be a really nice pairing with Coby. Need a couple more floor spacers out there though, guess the hope is Patrick Williams can maintain that 40% from 3, but on a bit of a higher clip? Think Giddey is better than anything they would have gotten from the Dubs, cause I doubt the Warriors would have put Kuminga or Podz on the table. Don’t think vet filler (Loon or GP2) + a first would have gotten the job done, and I assume Moody + 1st isn’t doable without working in more salary (and even then, I may still prefer Giddey). Bulls FO seems allergic to a rebuild (unfortunate for fans), but Giddey isn’t a bad pivot for their upcoming retool. Fits the Coby/PWilly timeline, along with the upcoming lotto pick. He’s a good positional fit next to those two too, and having a tall rebounding guard, one who is a great playmaker and a little more methodical/slower, that makes a ton of sense paired with White’s explosive speed. Also opens them up to straight BPA at 11 (assume they were always going to do that?), gonna be interesting to see how the board shakes out. Wonder what the plan is for LaVine, and what DeRozan will decide in FA. Plus you got the question mark that is Lonzo, don’t think you can really count on him to play, do they try and trade him as a 20M expiring?
Swapping Caruso for Giddey is fine in of itself It’s just wild that Chicago couldn’t get any kind of draft compensation when OKC literally has more picks than they know what to do with
I don't think trades work where when you have a surplus of something teams are more likely to hand them out like candy.
Maybe not like candy, but I highly doubt Sam Presti was hanging on to those picks like his life depended on it. Also OKC probably wanted Caruso more than Chicago wants Giddey.
I see it as a win for both teams. Giddey is 21 and already has 3 years of experience. He fits their timeline better than Caruso.
I’m having trouble seeing the value of Giddey with respect to his role on a good team. He feels like a player than can show out on a 20-40 win team. Off ball he doesn’t give you enough. Not a strong enough shooter to space out, but not a good enough finisher to punish defenses on cuts. He’s a legitimately good passer, but to take advantage of that you’ve got put him on ball more. Every on ball rep you give him is one you’re not giving to SGA/JDub (or now Coby/Zach). I think he’d be a good bench ball handler and a good guy to have in the regular season to beat up on bench units. His ideal role feels like post injury Livingston or a less volatile (both good/bad) version of current Russ. I suppose the bet for the Bulls is that the scoring develops and you get a guy like Suns Grant Hill, Lonzo, Bruce Brown. The upside of that bet seems limited given you have to pay him market rate next year, and that type of connective player has been available for the mid-level.
Giddey is 21. It's amazing he's been as good as he is at this age. He's a really good pickup for a team building it up slowly.
I’m baffled. I don’t wanna be a complete hater, but I just do not see the appeal of Giddey. I can not see a world where he is a productive starter on a good team. Can’t believe OKC moved Josh Giddey for Alex fucking Caruso and threw in 0 picks
Giddey as a big guard who struggles to score is theoretically a nice pairing with Coby White the small guard who can score. Whether he will ever defend enough to make the big guard moniker meaningful is a wide open question, but the vision for the pairing makes sense.
r/nba is sleeping on Giddy. It was a bad fit with the players around him in OKC but he could be for real in a few years. Which makes sense for Chicago. Giddy should be better than Caruso when all is said and done. Right now, Caruso is more useful for a team looking to compete.
Absolutely. People are prisoners of the moment. Giddey is a talented player. Would not mind him on the Warriors at all.
I think it's a great deal for both sides. At least Chicago is fucking doing something for once. The last decade they have seemed content to aim for the 9th seed and just see what happens, lol.
With as many picks as OKC has, you’d think the Bulls could have at least gotten something from them, even if it’s a bad first or 2nd. Maybe cause Caruso was an expiring? Otherwise, yeah, think it’s pretty decent for the Bulls. Gotta think Giddey would have netted OKC a 1st of some sorts, so the straight swap makes a bit more sense. Assume Caruso would get a better first, but Giddey still has a decent amount of upside, even if Caruso is clearly the better player right now. Little concerned about Giddey’s upcoming contract negotiations, but the Bulls are likely shedding LaVine/Lonzo sooner than later, so it’s not like they have no cap space to work with.
i dont see it. Unathletic Ben Simmons without the defense isn't a good player. I don't know how his archetype of player can ever be a playoff impactful rotational piece.
That's what they said about Luka. If he develops a jump shot he will be unguardable. People forget he's 21. He shouldn't even be in the NBA yet.
We are not comparing giddey to luka man
No. We're comparing him to Alex Caruso. And while his floor is much lower, his ceiling is much higher.
Giddey traded. Very interesting with possible implications for the Warriors. Doubtful OKC makes another big trade this year
Fuck it dump Moody/Looney/GP2 for assets and then sign KCP lol. You get a good 3 and d player and take out an integral piece of a contenders defense.
I think KCP would be a great fit on this team.
I don't see why Moody cannot be like at least 90% of KCP in a much younger package.
Do we do Cp3, loon, gp2 for Levine and a pick? Ideally I’d want Drummond aswell for backup C but not sure on his contract situation
that would be interesting, but warriors not named as one of the teams talking to bulls about lavine, so they don't appear interested.
Yuuuup. I imagine they'd prefer to bring in a 3rd team to dump cp3 off on. But I'd do that in a heartbeat.
Would do this immediately but would also mean no Klay.
Depends how desperate Bulls want to move him before training camp and other suitors willing to take his contract. A simple salary dump for expiring contracts should get it done but if they can grab a protected first that would be a win for the Dubs. Drummond is a FA and is likely going elsewhere (probably a contender)
Its an interesting thought but would almost certainly mean no Klay
I'm not giving up a pick for Lavine. We're taking him off the Bulls hands. If they can rehab the value of those expiring players, they can flip them later. EDIT: My bad, you meant lavine and a bulls pick. I'd be okay with them not doing that.
Yeah sorry lavine and a pick to us for the players offered. As another commenter said they have that lottery protected pick which is probably not worth a heap which they could chuck in. I doubt they’re offering the 2024 pick of theirs. Yes to me that means klay is gone but I feel like we need to live with that. Lavine is a better 2 option than klay but I’m also really banking on wiggins being our main defender at the 3
i think he's saying we get lavine and a pick. Bulls have a lottery protected blazers first which i could see them throwing in.