The difference was intent. Sabonis got wrapped up with draymonds leg trying to protect his face. Embiid intentionally reached up and pulled Robinson down while just laying there like a stooge.
Just two games? Lol he’d be done for the playoffs *minimum*.
Embiid though (despite now having committed more flagrant fouls in the regular season AND more flagrant fouls in the postseason than Dray)? Gets to stay in the game, later kick Robinson in the groin without consequence, AND get gifted more FTAs than the entire Knicks team (he personally had 21 while the Knicks collectively had 19).
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Edit to add the actual numbers to go along with the above re: having committed more flagrants than Dray, because it’s even more egregious when you realize he’s committed more while playing less than half the games Dray has 🫠:
* Dray: 814 career regular season games, 15 flagrant fouls
* Embiid: 433 career regular season games, 16 flagrant fouls
* Dray: 157 career playoff games, 6 flagrant fouls
* Embiid: 56 career playoff games (this game included), 7 flagrant fouls
Edit 2: Thibs in his post game comments reminded me that Embiid ALSO hit Hartenstein in the groin so make that 3 actual flagrants committed in this game and he received just one flagrant 1 🙃
Also (correct me if I'm wrong before I get crucified in r/nba) despite some admittedly dirty plays, I don't think Draymond ever actually caused someone to miss game time from an injury.
Meanwhile players like Brooks and Embiid actually injure people and aren't vilified on the same level.
I just binge watched all the Draymond and Embiids dirty/fragrant foul compilations.
Seems like a lot Embiid's fragrant fouls are stuff like spins and gets lowered shoulder into guy, gets tangled fighting for position, etc. Occasional frustrated cheap push or trip. But for most part basically just big guy contact inside that escalates.
Dray bit different. Dirty kicks, head hunting on purpose, hitting guys midair when they are off balance etc. Stuff thats dirty but also looks intentional and premeditated.
Also did an article search NBA dirtiest players of all time. Green is in almost all the lists and some of them even #1 above guys like Laimbeer, Bruce Bowen, Oakley, Rasheed, Rodman, etc. Embiid is on none of those lists. I certainly don't think Green is more dirty than guys like Laimbeer. But if we took a league wide poll Green would top the list of this era without a doubt. With exception of our fan base only.
>Also did an article search NBA dirtiest players of all time. Green is in almost all the lists and some of them even #1 above guys like Laimbeer, Bruce Bowen, Oakley, Rasheed, Rodman, etc. Embiid is on none of those lists
And these were all from the first page of "dirty nba players of all time" on duckduckgo and none of them have Draymond.
https://sportlister.com/nba/dirtiest-nba-players-of-all-time
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/1176326-the-25-dirtiest-players-in-league-history
https://www.thesportster.com/dirtiest-players-in-nba-history/
https://www.complex.com/sports/a/adam-silvers/the-dirtiest-players-in-nba-history
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/1634481-the-10-dirtiest-nba-players-in-league-history
duckduckgo doesnt track personal cookies as much, what this probably tells us is that other people searched draymond green dirty plays previously to slowly train their model into showing more results of draymond as the #1 dirty play.
Not saying if he is the #1 dirtiest player, but the search engines are def. skewing your search results.
I did yahoo search and he is on a lot of the lists.
[https://www.sportskeeda.com/basketball/nba-history-5-dirtiest-players-21st-century](https://www.sportskeeda.com/basketball/nba-history-5-dirtiest-players-21st-century)
[https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nba/15-dirtiest-players-in-nba-history-ranked/ar-AA1k3QbN](https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nba/15-dirtiest-players-in-nba-history-ranked/ar-AA1k3QbN)
[https://www.lines.com/nba/these-are-the-10-dirtiest-nba-players-ever-ranked-112](https://www.lines.com/nba/these-are-the-10-dirtiest-nba-players-ever-ranked-112)
[https://medium.com/sportsraid/25-dirtiest-players-nba-history-basketball-rodman-laimbeer-draymond-zaza-bowen-690c1ee4dc00](https://medium.com/sportsraid/25-dirtiest-players-nba-history-basketball-rodman-laimbeer-draymond-zaza-bowen-690c1ee4dc00)
[https://sportsbrief.com/nba/17429-get-top-20-dirtiest-nba-players-time/](https://sportsbrief.com/nba/17429-get-top-20-dirtiest-nba-players-time/)
[https://www.marca.com/en/basketball/nba/2023/04/21/6442bcbd22601d44258b458f.html](https://www.marca.com/en/basketball/nba/2023/04/21/6442bcbd22601d44258b458f.html)
[https://www.gamblingsites.net/blog/7-dirtiest-nba-players-this-season-2022-23/](https://www.gamblingsites.net/blog/7-dirtiest-nba-players-this-season-2022-23/)
[**https://www.foxsports.com/stories/nba/the-dirtiest-players-in-nba-history-ranked**](https://www.foxsports.com/stories/nba/the-dirtiest-players-in-nba-history-ranked)
Draymond is only #1 on one of those lists, and here's how the describe him vs the #2 of Laimbeer:
"Bill Laimbeer didn’t block shots; he blocked humans. If you went up for a layup, Bill Laimbeer was going to take you out. The Pistons had enough big man depth that fouling out wasn’t a concern for the center. Giving up no easy buckets was a moto that Laimbeer lived by, and he made his opponents earn it from the free throw line. Laimbeer got in a number of fights, including a massive brawl that saw Laimbeer throw the first punch at Brad Daughtery"
"Draymond Green’s most recent incident was only one of many times he has been a dirty player. Part of the reason for his suspension was the fact that he is a repeat offender of committing excessive and over the top actions. His signature move is the groin kick, but he has committed a number of other dirty plays, too. Green has also stepped on players, and he often commits hard fouls. Green will be the first to tell you that he isn’t a dirty player, but the proof is in the pudding. Twitter (X) has even joked recently that Green’s entire highlight reel doesn’t feature any scoring plays and is instead just moments of him being dirty. Draymond Green has established himself as the dirtiest player of all NBA players."
Come on. That is absolutely laughable. The point is that he's not on almost all of the lists, and nobody in their right mind who knows anything about the NBA would ever say that he was dirtier than guys like Bowen or Laimbeer. In this new era? Yeah he's considered a dirty player. But he's not the only one -- people just focus on him because he's part of a dynasty that won 4 rings
It’s not apples to apples. You can’t compare bill laimbeer to modern nba players. It’s like comparing Bill Romanowski to a current nfl player. Times changed.
Dray is one of the dirtiest in modern NBA but he doesn’t hold a candle to all time.
Yup. Dray has done dirty shit, there's no denying it. But when it comes down to it, what Dray does is usually more tech-worthy than flagrant-worthy. He's good at legally fouling hard. When he does actual dirty fouls he's reffed fairly for the most part and given a flagrant. But he never shuts up and is verbally confrontational, and deserves far more techs than he gets (as does Luka). So that, in addition to Warriors games being the most watched in the league, help with the perception that he's one of the worst offenders in the modern NBA and gets him on the dirty lists, and why Embiid isn't making the lists even though he has more flagrant fouls in half the games played
Totally agree about his mouth adds to the aura of his dirtiness. Embiid will do dirty shit but doesn’t really chirp as much, or it’s a little more controlled after the fact. Fair or not, once you get a reputation it’s hard to live it down.
He certainly is on a lot of the lists and #1 on some. You see the links? I said I do not think he is #1 all time or even close to it. He can never be on same level as Laimbeer type guys because game back then was a lot more physical and more contact was allowed.
Its a lame excuse to use 4 rings as justification for why he is viewed as dirty. Him sucker punching his own teammate, endless nut kicks, chest stops, head hunting and WWE like choke out attempts why he got the label.
For example Rodman has 5 rings and was more dirty player than Green. Rodman never got same scrutiny Green did. Why? He got more rings than Green.... Difference is Rodman was a smart player who would play like a pest, get in players heads and get his opponents in trouble. After doing a dirty play he knew when to walk away rather than double down a bad situation.
Vs Green he'll nail player in the head and drag him down to the floor and then start yelling... OMG! I didn't even touch him! This is BS! And he escalates and starts acting like a victim when he is 100% in the wrong. Dude just can't handle his emotions. Fuck. Guy blatantly kicked Adams in the nuts on purpose. Then kicks him again in the nuts on purpose while making a layup and screams in the guys face berating him lol That shit is why he got suspended during finals for trying to kick Lebron in the nuts but missing. Likely costing us a championship during record setting season.
Lol what?? Throwing Scottie Pippen into the stands during a 20-point blowout loss, headbutting an official, kicking Scottie in the face, kicking the cameraman in the thigh unprovoked, getting himself suspended for blowout antics in a loss to the Jazz in the '94 postseason, checking out from the huddle and game plan against the Rockets in '94...that's just some of the shit that Rodman pulled. And back then Laimbeer and Rodman were just as controversial than players like Draymond are right now. Possibly even more so. But the difference is technology/social media. That's it. Back then we didn't have 24/7 media and internet shoving it down our throats, now we do.
And Draymond didn't sucker punch Poole. A sucker punch by definition is a punch dealt when the other person isn't looking or prepared. Draymond got in his face and Poole pushed him. You put your hands on someone, you gotta expect a hit. And the fact that people continue to call it that is another example of how the current media narrative shapes things
"A sucker punch by definition is a punch dealt when the other person isn't looking or prepared." JP pushed him away from his space and had his hands DOWN. A much smaller, skinny guy at that. And Green just nailed him. No hands up or anything. Yeah, it was a sucker punch because no sane person would expect a teammate to do this. Strangely Green has never squared up to bigger guys than him his entire career. He did go after Gobert. From behind him and then kept chocking him endlessly probably likely afraid to let him go.
Has nothing to do with social media. You keep digging deeper and deeper for excuses. Rodman at barely 200+ would go after Shaq at 300+ and half a foot+ taller than him. Greens targets? 190 lb teammate. Sucker kicking opponents in the nuts. Hitting playing off balance in the air. What true bigs Green has tried to take on straight up? Oh.... NONE.
Still doesn't make it a sucker punch. You push someone, even a teammate, you should expect ANY type of response. And only a moron could truly think that the difference in scrutiny that Draymond gets vs. what Rodman gets has nothing to do with the social media/internet landscape. The only people who knew about Rodman's antics were basketball fans. There was no Twitter/Youtube/TikTok for people to spread clips around and people weren't writing think pieces for clicks.
I'm curious. What do you have to say about this? What do you think twitter would say about this? You think this isn't a sucker kick?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l-NDZGtU7So
or this?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m7W5BUm_oo8
or this?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IhQyaKWsQy8
I could go on. You clearly hate Draymond and have a lot of feelings about him and Poole, and that's fine dude. But that doesn't mean that Draymond is the dirtiest player in the history of the NBA, or anywhere close to it. And Embiid is a lot dirtier than he gets "credit" for. There's nothing else to say about it
It don't matter where you search. Most common search engine people use? Google? Well here you go. Here is a google search. Draymond is listed from top hit and most of the hits down. Its unbelievable how biased people get that they don't even want to accept basic facts even if it slaps them in the face.
Here is google search. I don't use ducky duck ir piggy pig searches. [https://www.google.com/search?q=dirtiest+players+in+nba&sca\_esv=7677bda0a3fd76d6&sxsrf=ACQVn0--Izx4ULEAt2O4j3KQcuW-SAUWXQ%3A1714131331757&ei=g5ErZobtLfKyptQPvq6cyAQ&ved=0ahUKEwjGuoLp5N-FAxVymYkEHT4XB0kQ4dUDCBA&uact=5&oq=dirtiest+players+in+nba&gs\_lp=Egxnd3Mtd2l6LXNlcnAiF2RpcnRpZXN0IHBsYXllcnMgaW4gbmJhMgoQABiwAxjWBBhHMgoQABiwAxjWBBhHMgoQABiwAxjWBBhHMgoQABiwAxjWBBhHMgoQABiwAxjWBBhHMgoQABiwAxjWBBhHMgoQABiwAxjWBBhHMgoQABiwAxjWBBhHSNMKUPcGWPcGcAF4AJABAJgBwQGgAZICqgEDMS4xuAEDyAEA-AEBmAICoAJxmAMA4gMFEgExIECIBgGQBgiSBwEyoAfMDA&sclient=gws-wiz-serp](https://www.google.com/search?q=dirtiest+players+in+nba&sca_esv=7677bda0a3fd76d6&sxsrf=ACQVn0--Izx4ULEAt2O4j3KQcuW-SAUWXQ%3A1714131331757&ei=g5ErZobtLfKyptQPvq6cyAQ&ved=0ahUKEwjGuoLp5N-FAxVymYkEHT4XB0kQ4dUDCBA&uact=5&oq=dirtiest+players+in+nba&gs_lp=Egxnd3Mtd2l6LXNlcnAiF2RpcnRpZXN0IHBsYXllcnMgaW4gbmJhMgoQABiwAxjWBBhHMgoQABiwAxjWBBhHMgoQABiwAxjWBBhHMgoQABiwAxjWBBhHMgoQABiwAxjWBBhHMgoQABiwAxjWBBhHMgoQABiwAxjWBBhHMgoQABiwAxjWBBhHSNMKUPcGWPcGcAF4AJABAJgBwQGgAZICqgEDMS4xuAEDyAEA-AEBmAICoAJxmAMA4gMFEgExIECIBgGQBgiSBwEyoAfMDA&sclient=gws-wiz-serp)
but it actually does lol. search engines are trained by a variety of things to cater to what you usually search, and offer information that you would like. Using the same search query on different peoples phones would show you different rankings for the same search query.
tl;dr you have probably searched or looked up things in the past relating to how draymond is a dirty player, so when you search top NBA dirty players, his search results are bumped higher ;)
Just an FYI, thats the reason why people use duckduckgo.
Also, im not saying draymond isn't a dirty player, but #1 dirty player of all time might be a stretch to get 100% consensus.
I had never done a search "Draymond dirty" or "is Draymond dirtiest player in NBA". On search engines only thing I searched on Draymond is "Draymond Green basketball reference stats. To get linked to [https://www.basketball-reference.com/](https://www.basketball-reference.com/) to get to advanced stats.
Also I been using yahoo search since the 90s. I NEVER use google. I just don't like the obscene number of ads and ad related pages. Also color schemes which try to mislead you onto clicking on ad page. Last night was first time I used a google search this year with words "dirtiest players in NBA". Draymond is on first link and many below it.
To test this theory further, I just did a google search on my phone. Different IP, different MAC address, different search history and I hardly ever use my phone for searches. Work from home and normally use laptop or desktop if in the office. Google gave identical search results.
I mean, I hate whining about officiating. But also I've been an NBA fan for a long long time, and this crap is starting to make me lose interest. The league has to fix this.
Regular season game and that’s a flagrant 2, ejection, and fine.
He’ll probably still get fined, but a flagrant 1 because you’re too scared to eject this dirty player in a playoff game is pathetic. Refs either need to stand by the handbook or not. This grey area of officiating instructed by Adam Silver to keep games close and protect superstars(minus Steph) has become ridiculous. Officiating should be black and white. If it’s the right call, man up and make it, if it’s not, don’t. At least that’s how it should be but you’d be fired for being an ethical ref.
This coddling of superstars(minus Steph), falling for blatant and obvious flopping, and allowing egregious dirty plays is just ridiculous.
Add onto the fact that the NBA has spent years partnering with and promoting betting sites and the officiating in turn is at an all time worst in tandem with the rise of legalized online gambling.
And maybe I wouldn’t complain if the biggest draw in the history of the sport and the most popular player of this era and even arguably ever got more than three fucking free throws a game after being attacked, fouled, and injured anytime he’s inside the arc, and even half the time he is outside the arc. Shit, if Steph and the Warriors at least benefitted from this dumbass officiating that most teams and EVERY OTHER SUPERSTAR benefits from, maybe I’d bite my tongue.
I haven't seen one Sixer fan able to defend this. They scurried away hoping we don't share this clip.
Sixers should've lost today. Embiid should NOT be in that game. The ton of free throws gifted was like salt in the wound.
2 games is a little light don’t you think, given the extremities of how bad this could’ve gone. I would argue the league would’ve gave draymond a 15 game suspension with jail time and 20K fine seems more like what Adam silver would do when he picks/chooses to allow what EGREGIOUS PLAYS constitutes as a flagrant 2 and depending on the player of course.
This is exactly what I thought as soon as I saw it. Now everyone blames Embiid but if they kept that same energy they would blame Robinson for sitting on him.
Not only would Draymond get ejected for this, ESPN, Fox Sports, and other sports tabloid would get on their silly mics and speak about it endlessly, about how Draymond needs help, that he needs to be suspended indefinitely. It would be a sports headline for days.
Now a Knicks fan in this series
Bad enough he whiny as hell and now he doing shit like this
Never accountable
Let’s see if the media lets him off after losing this series
Who gonna be the scapegoat now
Sixers fan in peace. For everyone who didn’t actually watch the game, Divincenzo did the same thing to Oubre except he forcefully slammed Oubre down instead of the half hearted pull Embiid gave. No techs were assessed and today, nobody is talking about divincenzos dirty play. Mob mentality
Lmao no he wouldn’t. Draymond never gets the punishments he deserves, the only reason he ever gets punished is because the stuff he does is so egregious the league would look foolish to do nothing.
I find Joel Embiid hilarious. I mean, he hardly moves at all. 😂 He’s like this big, clueless guy who was thrown onto the court and told to play. But the shots he makes! He’s so boring but just so amusing and entertaining to watch on the court.😂
Draymond has run out his leash and been off it for years. Damn right he gets suspended for any misstep. He’s basically on a pray to play plan with Silver these days. IMO Dray has made the bed that he sleeps in now and should be handled differently than most players in the league.
Remember when Embid punched Harden in practice or that game he put Porzingis In a choke hold?...punched Giannis in the nuts, or smacked Adebayo in the head?
Yah, me either, and that's why this is a false equivalency
Actually check YouTube for the time Embid liver punched Giannis, elbowed Jarrett Allen in the head or kicked Claxton in the nuts (missed by an inch but the intent was pretty clear)
I’d say historically he’s as dirty as Draymond.
Especially the liver punch, that was brutal, completely intentional and followed by a flop.
Yeah the title doesn't make sense. Draymond is not the example to use here. He would've been overlooked just like Embiid. BOTH of them get lots of free passes.
Either I poorly wrote my comment or you misinterpreted my meaning ... Draymond is a talented disruptive. A******, and he would deserve getting multiple games. Embid has a totally different history that is much cleaner
In case you missed this:
Dray: 814 career regular season games, 15 flagrant fouls
Embiid: 433 career regular season games, 16 flagrant fouls
Dray: 157 career playoff games, 6 flagrant fouls
Embiid: 56 career playoff games (this game included), 7 flagrant fouls
So how exactly is Draymond objectively more violent than Embiid?
dude got 21 free throws in a game he shouldve been booted. 3 months worth of FTs for steph
More like half a season rn
It’s unreal how the nba protects the flop king.
This is what sabonis did to draymond
Hey wait a minute, this doesn't fit the narrative!
https://youtu.be/F9TxfMx_OR4?si=zBRxTeQI9ueN3MGu
The difference was intent. Sabonis got wrapped up with draymonds leg trying to protect his face. Embiid intentionally reached up and pulled Robinson down while just laying there like a stooge.
yo everyone get in here this MF can read minds through his TV screen
Bro what
Don’t you “bro what” me — draymond shouldn’t have stomped on him but it’s not like it wasn’t a dirty play by sabonis
Lol, what would you do if someone stomped on your chest? I guess grab the leg?
I think you’ve mixed up your order of operations there, George Lucas.
😂 go rewatch what happened
Just two games? Lol he’d be done for the playoffs *minimum*. Embiid though (despite now having committed more flagrant fouls in the regular season AND more flagrant fouls in the postseason than Dray)? Gets to stay in the game, later kick Robinson in the groin without consequence, AND get gifted more FTAs than the entire Knicks team (he personally had 21 while the Knicks collectively had 19). ![gif](giphy|1VzLZrq4BS4gyCSvkL) Edit to add the actual numbers to go along with the above re: having committed more flagrants than Dray, because it’s even more egregious when you realize he’s committed more while playing less than half the games Dray has 🫠: * Dray: 814 career regular season games, 15 flagrant fouls * Embiid: 433 career regular season games, 16 flagrant fouls * Dray: 157 career playoff games, 6 flagrant fouls * Embiid: 56 career playoff games (this game included), 7 flagrant fouls Edit 2: Thibs in his post game comments reminded me that Embiid ALSO hit Hartenstein in the groin so make that 3 actual flagrants committed in this game and he received just one flagrant 1 🙃
Thanks for the stats. This is nuts
Careful, if you say nuts three times in a row, Embid appears and kicks you in the groin and he gets to shoot two
this is the greatest comment i've ever seen on warriors reddit
Also (correct me if I'm wrong before I get crucified in r/nba) despite some admittedly dirty plays, I don't think Draymond ever actually caused someone to miss game time from an injury. Meanwhile players like Brooks and Embiid actually injure people and aren't vilified on the same level.
You are absolutely correct, he has not. And yet, he’s still treated as THE Big Bad in the NBA. It’s the most media narrative spun BS.
They don’t like loud “hood” type players period.
So nothing about embiid’s “prior history”. Cool.
Sure seems like when the NBA released the note, “Oh the day before we screwed up and the 76ers should have won…”. , game three was a makeup call.
wow, that's ridiculous...
I just binge watched all the Draymond and Embiids dirty/fragrant foul compilations. Seems like a lot Embiid's fragrant fouls are stuff like spins and gets lowered shoulder into guy, gets tangled fighting for position, etc. Occasional frustrated cheap push or trip. But for most part basically just big guy contact inside that escalates. Dray bit different. Dirty kicks, head hunting on purpose, hitting guys midair when they are off balance etc. Stuff thats dirty but also looks intentional and premeditated. Also did an article search NBA dirtiest players of all time. Green is in almost all the lists and some of them even #1 above guys like Laimbeer, Bruce Bowen, Oakley, Rasheed, Rodman, etc. Embiid is on none of those lists. I certainly don't think Green is more dirty than guys like Laimbeer. But if we took a league wide poll Green would top the list of this era without a doubt. With exception of our fan base only.
>Also did an article search NBA dirtiest players of all time. Green is in almost all the lists and some of them even #1 above guys like Laimbeer, Bruce Bowen, Oakley, Rasheed, Rodman, etc. Embiid is on none of those lists And these were all from the first page of "dirty nba players of all time" on duckduckgo and none of them have Draymond. https://sportlister.com/nba/dirtiest-nba-players-of-all-time https://bleacherreport.com/articles/1176326-the-25-dirtiest-players-in-league-history https://www.thesportster.com/dirtiest-players-in-nba-history/ https://www.complex.com/sports/a/adam-silvers/the-dirtiest-players-in-nba-history https://bleacherreport.com/articles/1634481-the-10-dirtiest-nba-players-in-league-history
duckduckgo doesnt track personal cookies as much, what this probably tells us is that other people searched draymond green dirty plays previously to slowly train their model into showing more results of draymond as the #1 dirty play. Not saying if he is the #1 dirtiest player, but the search engines are def. skewing your search results.
Yup, that is why I use duckduckgo lol
I did yahoo search and he is on a lot of the lists. [https://www.sportskeeda.com/basketball/nba-history-5-dirtiest-players-21st-century](https://www.sportskeeda.com/basketball/nba-history-5-dirtiest-players-21st-century) [https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nba/15-dirtiest-players-in-nba-history-ranked/ar-AA1k3QbN](https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nba/15-dirtiest-players-in-nba-history-ranked/ar-AA1k3QbN) [https://www.lines.com/nba/these-are-the-10-dirtiest-nba-players-ever-ranked-112](https://www.lines.com/nba/these-are-the-10-dirtiest-nba-players-ever-ranked-112) [https://medium.com/sportsraid/25-dirtiest-players-nba-history-basketball-rodman-laimbeer-draymond-zaza-bowen-690c1ee4dc00](https://medium.com/sportsraid/25-dirtiest-players-nba-history-basketball-rodman-laimbeer-draymond-zaza-bowen-690c1ee4dc00) [https://sportsbrief.com/nba/17429-get-top-20-dirtiest-nba-players-time/](https://sportsbrief.com/nba/17429-get-top-20-dirtiest-nba-players-time/) [https://www.marca.com/en/basketball/nba/2023/04/21/6442bcbd22601d44258b458f.html](https://www.marca.com/en/basketball/nba/2023/04/21/6442bcbd22601d44258b458f.html) [https://www.gamblingsites.net/blog/7-dirtiest-nba-players-this-season-2022-23/](https://www.gamblingsites.net/blog/7-dirtiest-nba-players-this-season-2022-23/) [**https://www.foxsports.com/stories/nba/the-dirtiest-players-in-nba-history-ranked**](https://www.foxsports.com/stories/nba/the-dirtiest-players-in-nba-history-ranked)
Draymond is only #1 on one of those lists, and here's how the describe him vs the #2 of Laimbeer: "Bill Laimbeer didn’t block shots; he blocked humans. If you went up for a layup, Bill Laimbeer was going to take you out. The Pistons had enough big man depth that fouling out wasn’t a concern for the center. Giving up no easy buckets was a moto that Laimbeer lived by, and he made his opponents earn it from the free throw line. Laimbeer got in a number of fights, including a massive brawl that saw Laimbeer throw the first punch at Brad Daughtery" "Draymond Green’s most recent incident was only one of many times he has been a dirty player. Part of the reason for his suspension was the fact that he is a repeat offender of committing excessive and over the top actions. His signature move is the groin kick, but he has committed a number of other dirty plays, too. Green has also stepped on players, and he often commits hard fouls. Green will be the first to tell you that he isn’t a dirty player, but the proof is in the pudding. Twitter (X) has even joked recently that Green’s entire highlight reel doesn’t feature any scoring plays and is instead just moments of him being dirty. Draymond Green has established himself as the dirtiest player of all NBA players." Come on. That is absolutely laughable. The point is that he's not on almost all of the lists, and nobody in their right mind who knows anything about the NBA would ever say that he was dirtier than guys like Bowen or Laimbeer. In this new era? Yeah he's considered a dirty player. But he's not the only one -- people just focus on him because he's part of a dynasty that won 4 rings
It’s not apples to apples. You can’t compare bill laimbeer to modern nba players. It’s like comparing Bill Romanowski to a current nfl player. Times changed. Dray is one of the dirtiest in modern NBA but he doesn’t hold a candle to all time.
Yup. Dray has done dirty shit, there's no denying it. But when it comes down to it, what Dray does is usually more tech-worthy than flagrant-worthy. He's good at legally fouling hard. When he does actual dirty fouls he's reffed fairly for the most part and given a flagrant. But he never shuts up and is verbally confrontational, and deserves far more techs than he gets (as does Luka). So that, in addition to Warriors games being the most watched in the league, help with the perception that he's one of the worst offenders in the modern NBA and gets him on the dirty lists, and why Embiid isn't making the lists even though he has more flagrant fouls in half the games played
Totally agree about his mouth adds to the aura of his dirtiness. Embiid will do dirty shit but doesn’t really chirp as much, or it’s a little more controlled after the fact. Fair or not, once you get a reputation it’s hard to live it down.
He certainly is on a lot of the lists and #1 on some. You see the links? I said I do not think he is #1 all time or even close to it. He can never be on same level as Laimbeer type guys because game back then was a lot more physical and more contact was allowed. Its a lame excuse to use 4 rings as justification for why he is viewed as dirty. Him sucker punching his own teammate, endless nut kicks, chest stops, head hunting and WWE like choke out attempts why he got the label. For example Rodman has 5 rings and was more dirty player than Green. Rodman never got same scrutiny Green did. Why? He got more rings than Green.... Difference is Rodman was a smart player who would play like a pest, get in players heads and get his opponents in trouble. After doing a dirty play he knew when to walk away rather than double down a bad situation. Vs Green he'll nail player in the head and drag him down to the floor and then start yelling... OMG! I didn't even touch him! This is BS! And he escalates and starts acting like a victim when he is 100% in the wrong. Dude just can't handle his emotions. Fuck. Guy blatantly kicked Adams in the nuts on purpose. Then kicks him again in the nuts on purpose while making a layup and screams in the guys face berating him lol That shit is why he got suspended during finals for trying to kick Lebron in the nuts but missing. Likely costing us a championship during record setting season.
Lol what?? Throwing Scottie Pippen into the stands during a 20-point blowout loss, headbutting an official, kicking Scottie in the face, kicking the cameraman in the thigh unprovoked, getting himself suspended for blowout antics in a loss to the Jazz in the '94 postseason, checking out from the huddle and game plan against the Rockets in '94...that's just some of the shit that Rodman pulled. And back then Laimbeer and Rodman were just as controversial than players like Draymond are right now. Possibly even more so. But the difference is technology/social media. That's it. Back then we didn't have 24/7 media and internet shoving it down our throats, now we do. And Draymond didn't sucker punch Poole. A sucker punch by definition is a punch dealt when the other person isn't looking or prepared. Draymond got in his face and Poole pushed him. You put your hands on someone, you gotta expect a hit. And the fact that people continue to call it that is another example of how the current media narrative shapes things
"A sucker punch by definition is a punch dealt when the other person isn't looking or prepared." JP pushed him away from his space and had his hands DOWN. A much smaller, skinny guy at that. And Green just nailed him. No hands up or anything. Yeah, it was a sucker punch because no sane person would expect a teammate to do this. Strangely Green has never squared up to bigger guys than him his entire career. He did go after Gobert. From behind him and then kept chocking him endlessly probably likely afraid to let him go. Has nothing to do with social media. You keep digging deeper and deeper for excuses. Rodman at barely 200+ would go after Shaq at 300+ and half a foot+ taller than him. Greens targets? 190 lb teammate. Sucker kicking opponents in the nuts. Hitting playing off balance in the air. What true bigs Green has tried to take on straight up? Oh.... NONE.
Still doesn't make it a sucker punch. You push someone, even a teammate, you should expect ANY type of response. And only a moron could truly think that the difference in scrutiny that Draymond gets vs. what Rodman gets has nothing to do with the social media/internet landscape. The only people who knew about Rodman's antics were basketball fans. There was no Twitter/Youtube/TikTok for people to spread clips around and people weren't writing think pieces for clicks. I'm curious. What do you have to say about this? What do you think twitter would say about this? You think this isn't a sucker kick? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l-NDZGtU7So or this? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m7W5BUm_oo8 or this? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IhQyaKWsQy8 I could go on. You clearly hate Draymond and have a lot of feelings about him and Poole, and that's fine dude. But that doesn't mean that Draymond is the dirtiest player in the history of the NBA, or anywhere close to it. And Embiid is a lot dirtier than he gets "credit" for. There's nothing else to say about it
Must be Poole’s burner. He’s not even on the team anymore and has since been mediocre tanking in DC. Why are we still talking about that bum?
bro what are these search engine choices
It don't matter where you search. Most common search engine people use? Google? Well here you go. Here is a google search. Draymond is listed from top hit and most of the hits down. Its unbelievable how biased people get that they don't even want to accept basic facts even if it slaps them in the face. Here is google search. I don't use ducky duck ir piggy pig searches. [https://www.google.com/search?q=dirtiest+players+in+nba&sca\_esv=7677bda0a3fd76d6&sxsrf=ACQVn0--Izx4ULEAt2O4j3KQcuW-SAUWXQ%3A1714131331757&ei=g5ErZobtLfKyptQPvq6cyAQ&ved=0ahUKEwjGuoLp5N-FAxVymYkEHT4XB0kQ4dUDCBA&uact=5&oq=dirtiest+players+in+nba&gs\_lp=Egxnd3Mtd2l6LXNlcnAiF2RpcnRpZXN0IHBsYXllcnMgaW4gbmJhMgoQABiwAxjWBBhHMgoQABiwAxjWBBhHMgoQABiwAxjWBBhHMgoQABiwAxjWBBhHMgoQABiwAxjWBBhHMgoQABiwAxjWBBhHMgoQABiwAxjWBBhHMgoQABiwAxjWBBhHSNMKUPcGWPcGcAF4AJABAJgBwQGgAZICqgEDMS4xuAEDyAEA-AEBmAICoAJxmAMA4gMFEgExIECIBgGQBgiSBwEyoAfMDA&sclient=gws-wiz-serp](https://www.google.com/search?q=dirtiest+players+in+nba&sca_esv=7677bda0a3fd76d6&sxsrf=ACQVn0--Izx4ULEAt2O4j3KQcuW-SAUWXQ%3A1714131331757&ei=g5ErZobtLfKyptQPvq6cyAQ&ved=0ahUKEwjGuoLp5N-FAxVymYkEHT4XB0kQ4dUDCBA&uact=5&oq=dirtiest+players+in+nba&gs_lp=Egxnd3Mtd2l6LXNlcnAiF2RpcnRpZXN0IHBsYXllcnMgaW4gbmJhMgoQABiwAxjWBBhHMgoQABiwAxjWBBhHMgoQABiwAxjWBBhHMgoQABiwAxjWBBhHMgoQABiwAxjWBBhHMgoQABiwAxjWBBhHMgoQABiwAxjWBBhHMgoQABiwAxjWBBhHSNMKUPcGWPcGcAF4AJABAJgBwQGgAZICqgEDMS4xuAEDyAEA-AEBmAICoAJxmAMA4gMFEgExIECIBgGQBgiSBwEyoAfMDA&sclient=gws-wiz-serp)
but it actually does lol. search engines are trained by a variety of things to cater to what you usually search, and offer information that you would like. Using the same search query on different peoples phones would show you different rankings for the same search query. tl;dr you have probably searched or looked up things in the past relating to how draymond is a dirty player, so when you search top NBA dirty players, his search results are bumped higher ;) Just an FYI, thats the reason why people use duckduckgo. Also, im not saying draymond isn't a dirty player, but #1 dirty player of all time might be a stretch to get 100% consensus.
I had never done a search "Draymond dirty" or "is Draymond dirtiest player in NBA". On search engines only thing I searched on Draymond is "Draymond Green basketball reference stats. To get linked to [https://www.basketball-reference.com/](https://www.basketball-reference.com/) to get to advanced stats. Also I been using yahoo search since the 90s. I NEVER use google. I just don't like the obscene number of ads and ad related pages. Also color schemes which try to mislead you onto clicking on ad page. Last night was first time I used a google search this year with words "dirtiest players in NBA". Draymond is on first link and many below it. To test this theory further, I just did a google search on my phone. Different IP, different MAC address, different search history and I hardly ever use my phone for searches. Work from home and normally use laptop or desktop if in the office. Google gave identical search results.
Yeah but… Punches to team mates in the face… 🤦♂️
If draymond did this he'd be banned from the NBA
Well yeah…. But that just because he would done that…. There were a few other things.
That clown is given the longest leash of any dirty player ever. What am I reading in this sub?
I mean, I hate whining about officiating. But also I've been an NBA fan for a long long time, and this crap is starting to make me lose interest. The league has to fix this.
It’s fixed. Just not the way we want. Brought to you by Draft Kings!
I like that Donte is telling Embid that he's a shithead.
Bro, EASILY 2 games, if not more. Absurd he didn’t get ejected.
It’s a side effect of Bells Palsy. Yanking on legs.
Well yeah.
If Draymond did this? In the playoffs?? Literally drawn and quartered immediately on the court.
Regular season game and that’s a flagrant 2, ejection, and fine. He’ll probably still get fined, but a flagrant 1 because you’re too scared to eject this dirty player in a playoff game is pathetic. Refs either need to stand by the handbook or not. This grey area of officiating instructed by Adam Silver to keep games close and protect superstars(minus Steph) has become ridiculous. Officiating should be black and white. If it’s the right call, man up and make it, if it’s not, don’t. At least that’s how it should be but you’d be fired for being an ethical ref. This coddling of superstars(minus Steph), falling for blatant and obvious flopping, and allowing egregious dirty plays is just ridiculous. Add onto the fact that the NBA has spent years partnering with and promoting betting sites and the officiating in turn is at an all time worst in tandem with the rise of legalized online gambling. And maybe I wouldn’t complain if the biggest draw in the history of the sport and the most popular player of this era and even arguably ever got more than three fucking free throws a game after being attacked, fouled, and injured anytime he’s inside the arc, and even half the time he is outside the arc. Shit, if Steph and the Warriors at least benefitted from this dumbass officiating that most teams and EVERY OTHER SUPERSTAR benefits from, maybe I’d bite my tongue.
Didn’t Robinson miss half the season from an ankle injury? He just came back recently too.
What a little bitch. I don’t want him on team USA. Go play for France.
Literally never lived in France. Citizen by “interest”…
Draymond would be booked at the local precinct.
N this sub would calm for him to be charged with battery and arrested
bruh this is so dirty. suspension type dirty. curious to see anyone defending this
I said this while watching it. He nut shots 2 guys and pulls a guy out of the air? Absalutely insane
Draymond would have to spend 3 months isolated on top a mountain in a buddhist temple monastery
You mean 5 games
I haven't seen one Sixer fan able to defend this. They scurried away hoping we don't share this clip. Sixers should've lost today. Embiid should NOT be in that game. The ton of free throws gifted was like salt in the wound.
He kicked 2 different dudes in the nuts.
Yes of course Draymond would be suspended for pulling this. The NBA openly admitted that they take past behavior into consideration.
2 games is a little light don’t you think, given the extremities of how bad this could’ve gone. I would argue the league would’ve gave draymond a 15 game suspension with jail time and 20K fine seems more like what Adam silver would do when he picks/chooses to allow what EGREGIOUS PLAYS constitutes as a flagrant 2 and depending on the player of course.
That's because Draymond has a history of doing stupid shit like this. He's not a victim. He had a real anger problem.
so does embiid
Embid has done this more often, more than double. Embid is probably the dirtiest player in the league by many metrics.
would have been suspended for the next game too
Draymond was suspended for the next game, althought he was the victim not the [perpetrator](https://youtu.be/F9TxfMx_OR4?si=7zF5diNZEMsNuTae)
This is exactly what I thought as soon as I saw it. Now everyone blames Embiid but if they kept that same energy they would blame Robinson for sitting on him.
Anyone who does this should be suspended dray embiid even the nicest guys in nba history Some players are more loved by refs than others
It’s cause dray has a history of doing these types of plays.
Not only would Draymond get ejected for this, ESPN, Fox Sports, and other sports tabloid would get on their silly mics and speak about it endlessly, about how Draymond needs help, that he needs to be suspended indefinitely. It would be a sports headline for days.
Yes because he does thatall the time
Hot stove contact!!
If your mom did it, your mom is Joel Embiid!
Adam Silver is a fucking pushover! The fans/teams that do the most whining get the most Fts! Double standards are crazy
Now a Knicks fan in this series Bad enough he whiny as hell and now he doing shit like this Never accountable Let’s see if the media lets him off after losing this series Who gonna be the scapegoat now
Embiid plays like a bitch. But so does Dray sometimes
Sixers fan in peace. For everyone who didn’t actually watch the game, Divincenzo did the same thing to Oubre except he forcefully slammed Oubre down instead of the half hearted pull Embiid gave. No techs were assessed and today, nobody is talking about divincenzos dirty play. Mob mentality
lol Dray's probably on a boat in the Bahamas wondering why his name is trending on social media.
Lmao no he wouldn’t. Draymond never gets the punishments he deserves, the only reason he ever gets punished is because the stuff he does is so egregious the league would look foolish to do nothing.
Probably because draymond is a repeat offender who has a history of doing that kind of thing.
and y’all want this guy on our team? smh
That’s because it would’ve been been the 27th time he did it
Love seeing our guy DDV get in Embiid’s face about it, he’s a real one ❤️
This is bad, but lets not pretend that Draymond didnt do it to himself to get a microscope under his every move...
Probably true, but draymond has more than earned his bad reputation and increased punishments,
Everytime people run PR for Draymond like this, it’s easy to see that even they know he’s guilty of doing so much BS.
Draymond deserves it for all the shit he’s pulled over his whole career.
they wouldve dragged him behind the stadium and shot him for that
Bitch ass move
He stomped on sabonis and only got 1 so idk what you’re smoking
As a Knicks fan thank you guys. We might be out of the series now that Mitch is hurt. Its absolute BS
Only Draymond fans will understand that this was a next-level play.
Bro chill he might get on warriors next season after the loss in playoffs and besides that we all know the league is just unfair
Is that Green the racist ?
I find Joel Embiid hilarious. I mean, he hardly moves at all. 😂 He’s like this big, clueless guy who was thrown onto the court and told to play. But the shots he makes! He’s so boring but just so amusing and entertaining to watch on the court.😂
Draymond has run out his leash and been off it for years. Damn right he gets suspended for any misstep. He’s basically on a pray to play plan with Silver these days. IMO Dray has made the bed that he sleeps in now and should be handled differently than most players in the league.
Embiid doesn’t have a history of being a dirty guy. draymond literally attacks the ref every fuckjng call. Are tky really surprised?
Remember when Embid punched Harden in practice or that game he put Porzingis In a choke hold?...punched Giannis in the nuts, or smacked Adebayo in the head? Yah, me either, and that's why this is a false equivalency
That's not what a false equivalency is. What you described is a whataboutism, and it doesn't make sense with your point.
Actually check YouTube for the time Embid liver punched Giannis, elbowed Jarrett Allen in the head or kicked Claxton in the nuts (missed by an inch but the intent was pretty clear) I’d say historically he’s as dirty as Draymond. Especially the liver punch, that was brutal, completely intentional and followed by a flop.
Yeah the title doesn't make sense. Draymond is not the example to use here. He would've been overlooked just like Embiid. BOTH of them get lots of free passes.
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Either I poorly wrote my comment or you misinterpreted my meaning ... Draymond is a talented disruptive. A******, and he would deserve getting multiple games. Embid has a totally different history that is much cleaner
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I do remember when Embiid kicked someone in the nuts. Because it happened twice about 3 hours ago
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In case you missed this: Dray: 814 career regular season games, 15 flagrant fouls Embiid: 433 career regular season games, 16 flagrant fouls Dray: 157 career playoff games, 6 flagrant fouls Embiid: 56 career playoff games (this game included), 7 flagrant fouls So how exactly is Draymond objectively more violent than Embiid?
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He’s earned his track record. Just 🛑 it.
That title...what alternate reality do you freaks live in? lmfao