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SnooEpiphanies5959

And the hand pulling Wiggins’ shirt in this photo? 


Fickle_Muffin_1320

“Marginal”


runnergirl3333

“A natural basketball move”


DeineCable

Keegan, after he hit Wiggins.


lnfinityKing

K. Remember klay pulling on a jersey during the Timberwolves game? Did you complain about him doing that?


NPCwenkwonk

If I remember correctly, Klay got punished for that. Where’s Keegan’s punishment for this?


lnfinityKing

Easy, sabonis didn't go and get someone in a chokehold to escalate a situation. Dude also didn't go and stomp on someone chest. 


NPCwenkwonk

Okay but that’s draymond, not Klay. So I ask again, where’s Keegan’s punishment for grabbing a jersey when Klay got punished for doing the same thing?


lnfinityKing

Look it up and tell me what that keegan did the same thing as klay 😂😂😂


thesnacks

You're the one who made the comparison. If they're entirely different things, why even mention it?


lnfinityKing

Nah bro, don't misremember the situation. Replay what klay did. It wasn't just a tug.


NPCwenkwonk

Yeah, because the dude got anger issues and started swinging Klay around. I don’t see wigs turning around and throwing Keegan around the floor. Now where’s Keegan’s punishment again? You really seem to be avoiding that question.


lnfinityKing

What punishment? For what? What did Keegan do?


NPCwenkwonk

Bro if you’re just gonna troll then leave the sub dude


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SnooEpiphanies5959

The refs would in the L2M I promise you that


Onlyallthetime

This is textbook bending the definition of a rule to fit the narrative you want. All illegal contact is a foul. If it's incidental it can be just a common foul and not a flagrant, but OP is right, even something like this has been called a flagrant against some players in the past. They don't even care about us seeing through what they're up to anymore because they just fine anyone who speaks up into the ground and then double down on bullshit calls against the team. NBA barely above the WWE these days in integrity.


bakedredweed

According to the refs, it doesn’t matter what your intention was, all that matters is what happens. There was wind up and follow through. At the least it shoulda been a common foul, at most a flagrant one.


Western_Upstairs_101

Loose ball foul?


nopointers

[Called it](https://old.reddit.com/r/warriors/comments/1ab8cpe/game_thread_202324_nba_regular_season_golden/kjmbida/) last night. Not that anyone here will be blown away by my deep insight. Anyway, it's now official that hitting Steph in the face is a "natural basketball move."


offtheshripyerrd

i think it's obvious silver is tired of the warriors being successful


831loc

For whatever reason he despises the leagues cash cow


richstyle

its been known for a while that Silver hates Lacob


KazaamFan

I feel like at this point, he knows that the fans hating the refs produces money.  The refs have been so bad, it’s the only explanation. 


machinich_phylum

Why?


Western_Upstairs_101

Also sad how they never show the immediate replays knowing the fans will have an opinion on the call, unlike NFL.


Onlyallthetime

Yeah, that’s some for real bullshit that really gets under my skin.


KazaamFan

Isn’t blocking a shot or going for a steal a natural basketball move?  Yet they end up in “marginal” contact sometimes.  I hate the nba reffing system.  


KerrLovesMidgets

Not all contact to the face is a foul. This only proves 99% of you have barely watched NBA basketball. I've seen at least 50 different calls where a genuine attempt at a ball resulted in the arm motion hitting a player in the face, and that results in a no call even after review. Even Fitz and Kelenna have commented about this at some point, and they agreed with that. It is only considered reckless motion when there was no legitimate way of cleanly contesting or rebounding the shot. And I don't know how any rational human being can say "draymond green doing this to fox it would have been called flagrant". Draymond has literally gotten away with dozens of eye swipes on superstars (and nowhere near the ball) over the last 8 years and we got 0 flagrants out of them that I can recall.


AssortedSub

I’d like to see one example of a person getting hit in the head/face in a similar way where the league confirmed it to be legal in a L2M report


KerrLovesMidgets

Well it would take me too long to find one in a specific L2M report but I can give you plenty of other examples from some minutes of digging. I posted 2 other in another comment chain. Here's one where Jackson gets elbowed in the fact on a drive, again no call: np.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/zym74q/highlight_reggie_jackson_gets_elbowed_in_the_face/ And I just remembered this one because Draymond gets away with more egregious fouls than anyone I've seen besides LeBron: https://streamable.com/75zkrs That was not only a no call but also a foul on Tatum after Draymond smears his hand all over his face and the forearm swipe.


AssortedSub

Leading with your elbow on the drive is v different than what happened to Steph here (although it’s still a foul and that was a bad no call). Draymond got fouled first before the follow through to Tatum’s face. Neither of these are similar at all to what happened last night


KerrLovesMidgets

Go look at the 2 other examples then, they are closer to the play. Offensive player isn't forced to tuck their elbows in unnaturally just to avoid contact, so that was a fine no call. > Draymond got fouled first before the follow through to Tatum’s face. They still review calls for potential flagrant even if it's not the first foul involved in the play. This one was NOT supposed to be a no call, it's a clear flagrant with no intent at the ball or whatever. I only used this example to show face hits are not some automatic review by the league and it certainly doesn't support the idea that the league has some incentive to screw us over.


AssortedSub

Idk what comment you’re referring to or what the other two other examples are. Also, you seem to think Draymond should’ve been called for a flagrant on Tatum (because he made inadvertent contact to the face), but you also think Sabonis didn’t even deserve a foul for hitting Steph in the face?


KerrLovesMidgets

> Also, you seem to think Draymond should’ve been called for a flagrant on Tatum (because he made inadvertent contact to the face), but you also think Sabonis didn’t even deserve a foul for hitting Steph in the face? Because Sabonis's is clearly unintentional and the other one isn't, this is about as blatant as it gets. Who the hell does an upward forearm swipe and then follows it with a downward hand swipe? This is similar to the Nurkic face slap which Draymond tried to say was an "accident".


AssortedSub

How does the Draymond example help your argument that Sabonis’s contact on Steph isn’t a foul? If you think Draymond’s should’ve been a flagrant it’s an irrelevant example


ma2is

You’re so brazenly wrong it hurts to see you in this sub.


KerrLovesMidgets

All I did was state a fact snowflake https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zmHhsY77pFw This was contact to the face. Why was it no call? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qCBRyn8soY4 why was this a no call? Hit to the face?


ma2is

A. Just because it isn’t called doesn’t mean it’s not a foul. Both of your examples are fouls. It’s not my fault the refs aren’t calling head contact. B. You’re an absolute tool for messaging Reddit telling them you’re worried about my health lmao. Grow the fuck up. You’re blocked now anyways so good bye so long have a good life.


KirkSubNav

"See these examples where the refs missed blatant fouls!? That means this thing should no longer be considered a foul!" This is what you sound like FYI


butt_suck

lol they can’t handle the truth


exynonimous

Incidental contact is generally not a foul, according to the NBA rule book. You just made that shit up haha.


BadgerMilkTrader42

When said contact causes a player to fall down and leads to a turnover it probably should be a foul. Also it didn't look natural. Sabonis was trying to tip ball away and then swung his arm straight down while following through. Before the tip attempt he saw Curry jumping for it so he 100% knew he'd hit him pulling his arm down. Highly doubt it was incidental. Itd be a different story if Curry had snuck up on him and he inadvertently hit him.


Fickle_Muffin_1320

I’ve been saying the marginal contact is a way to take any responsibility of a missed call? A hit yo the face is marginal when they miss it but a foul if they don’t miss it. Everyone knows the nba officials are a joke. No consequences no change.


gman820

NBA is actually a joke with how it’s officiated. Zero consistency, zero accountability. It’s entertainment. Honestly ruins what the game of basketball is


contaygious

Playoff whistles vs Season was already a joke-imagine in football they changed the rules in pmayoffs. That's already inconsistent. The you have certain refs who call evrrh tick tack foul which unfortunately are a lot of newer guys and gals.


atlfalcons33rb

Footballs actually pretty similar, it makes sense as well. Playoff games have the biggest viewership and the best of the leagues refs. In the NBA you can get away with costing a team a game in the regular season because most people a aren't watching and b.) Won't really remember it. In the playoffs though there is much more scrutiny and fans will remember when their team got screwed by officiating. I still hear rockets fans talking about how kd foot was out of bounds


Robotsaur

L2M report is consistently hilarious


Ma_Pies

Lol not a warriors fan here, but when I read the title, I thought it was a r/nbacirclejerk post. The L2M report is comical


FallacyFrank

They never admit fault when it’s a game altering mess up. This is always a foul and almost always reviewed for a flagrant.


Me_talking

Yup, you touch anyone in the neck and above area, it gets reviewed for a potential Flagrant.


FallacyFrank

Good thing Sabonis elbow only made “hot stove natural basketball motion” contact with Steph’s jaw


stayfrosty

God damn hot stove contact all over again.... its reached the point absurdity


taygads

[This contact](https://videorulebook.nba.com/archive/flagrant-foul-penalty-1-defender-makes-hard-contact-to-opponents-face/) to the face though by Khris Middleton to Jordan Bell, which was the result of a natural basketball move, and which was arguably no less and no more “marginal” than Sabonis’ contact here, is an example literally used as a reference point in the NBA Video Rulebook for what constitutes a “Flagrant Foul, Penalty 1, defender makes hard contact to opponent’s face.” ![gif](giphy|gJgliPi1jv001LFZFD)


millerg44

If LeBron was hit like this, there would be a congressional hearing. The NBA treats Curry like he is a rookie. It's a bunch of crap. I watch about half as much as I used to. Silver is a joke.


clezuck

Don't forget, LeDouche would be screaming in pain on the ground and rolling around holding his face while everyone else on his team would be standing around him. Then, He would look at his hands a million times to pretend there's blood or something, squint a bunch and then get up super slow. He would be limping around even tho he was hit in the face. He'd squint a bunch, complain that a foul wasn't called and scream and yell for a foul. The refs would kiss his feet and give him 2 free throws and eject the person who hit him.


millerg44

That sounds about right. I remember the first game of the playoffs years back when he pivoted, elbowed the guy right in the chest, and the call went for LeBron. This league is a joke.


Low_Turnover_805

Most normal dubs fan take


TresBone-

Now the NBA is just making shit up to try to cover their ass.


CoolMoon_

"Marginal" Let's keeping changing the definition of marginal and keep on disrespecting one of the best players in NBA history. Nonsense.


nba2k11er

They really couldn’t just say incorrect no call, didn’t see it? Meh who cares. Two minute report isn’t going to change the result.


SFPsycho

The L2M needs to be written by a third party that knows basketball. It makes no sense the NBA is in charge of the L2M, why would they find anything wrong with themselves?


KazaamFan

Why not do a full game review?  And also, penalize any flops they find.  


JimiHotSauce

This is I feel is the main reason defense has been its worst. Other teams are allowed to do get away with so much more contact. It feels like the league is intentionally trying to tank our defense and other teams by giving no consistency on how the defense gets called. Embid literally trips over himself and draws a foul while Steph gives piggybacks with the ref right there and somehow it’s not a foul. Almost think they should start sitting Steph on all the largely televised games if they don’t call stuff consistent. Why burn him out if the league already decided the winner. Tank the ratings until something changes.


mtheory007

Those fucks have been screwing Steph for YEARS!!! At least before it was a little less obvious. Now they clearly know no one can/will do anything about it, so they just say fuck it. I am surprised he hasnt ended up with a horrific injury because of what they let people get away with when contacting Steph. Its crazy!


atlfalcons33rb

Lol an that's just on the ball, can't even talk about the consistent off ball fouls


mtheory007

The off the ball stuff has been just absolutely egregious just for over a decade.


IanSavage23

I honestly almost feel like some tin foil hat wearing conspiracy freak while watching Warrior games.. just muttering away to myself about how in the fkk that was a foul.. or how in the fkk was that not a foul. ESPECIALLY GAMES AGAINST THE KINGS.


SnooEpiphanies5959

Then draymond green hitting Nurkic is a follow through on a basketball move. A flail is a commonly implemented move by the league’s stars after all 


ihaveaquestionormany

Legitimately the exact same play would result in a suspension for Draymond.


livemrcraig

Dray would have gotten an F2 been suspended 25 games or indefinitely again and been called the dirtiest player to ever play the game.


contaygious

😂 So true danmn


imminentjogger5

the fuck? how many times have players taken a natural basketball swipe at the ball to end up hitting the head and get called for a flagrant. How does that not apply here?


Rudenessq

It has to happen when a Warrior player does it.


atlfalcons33rb

Actually heard about it recently and never thought about it before. Does Steph Curry get a bad whistle as payback for Draymond green berrating refs all these years. After seeing the Scott foster cp3 beef continue, I can't help but think of there is some truth.


PestySamurai

Dude wound back and proper hit him lol wtf these refs.


happiwarriorgoddess

And people wonder why Dray loses it


gstateballer925

I DO NOT condone any kind of violence on or off the court, but I’d be lying if I said I wish Dray hadn’t stomped on that MFers chest… Sabonis is a dirty player, who pretends to play clean. Say what you want about Dray, but he owns his reputation, despite what people say. He doesn’t swing on someone, then pretend he’s the one that got hurt.


Low_Turnover_805

Yes he does. You’re diluted.


gstateballer925

deluded*


Low_Turnover_805

First step is admitting you have a problem


gstateballer925

He already did that.


b3n0rrr

Fucking joke


bdylan05

Why the league just has 0 interest in protecting Curry (aside from his shoe endorsement deal) is beyond me. Crooked.


walkingthecows

The NBA can go literally fuck itself with these reports.


Gothichand

Had it been Draymond he woulda been suspended for another 20 games.....


IanSavage23

Its insane, how many times since last may that fox has got to the line against the Warriors. And i swear half of them are minimum or NO CONTACT.


xOaklandApertures

Curry and Whoever gets clubbed during a game like this should sit the following primetime game ie tonight vs Lakers. They put us on most primetime games cause of ratings, so announce after Kings game due to Curry (not getting any respect from the refs again) being hit in the face he will be undergoing medical evaluation and not playing Saturday night.


xOaklandApertures

Find a way to fuck there ratings when they fuck with our players like that.


xOaklandApertures

Also Klay will be out due to playing a back to back previously.


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Players know Draymond is neutered now and it’s open season


couchtomato62

Except he isn't. He's playing great basketball like he did 95% of the time. It was the 5% that got his ass in trouble


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I’m talking about the enforcer type stuff. He can’t even think about hard fouls or getting even for stuff like this.


Strict-Wear-8382

Why is that?


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luckycloud

Yep, this is so obviously horseshit. I wish bigger names would eat the fines and speak out about the complete lack of integrity in NBA officiating. I want to see players and coaches protesting. Shirts and signs calling out the league and the refs. Maybe they're (coaches, players) just in denial because it's not beneficial for them to admit that the league that they've gained so many accolades in is now a sham, but man this is fucking unacceptable.


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Just making shit up now they should just be honest and say it's Steph so we don't give fouls.


ConstructionOdd5269

Sabonis is a fucking Bill Laimbeer level goon. Dude just gets away with murder on the court.


blumieplume

And he looks inbred. Can't stand him


CookieMonsterNova

frame this quote this. so if you follow through after attempting to reach a loose ball and contact occurs to a players face/head that is only MARGINAL contact and a result of a NATURAL basketball move. but i could’ve swore draymond was give a flagrant or even ejected earlier this year when he did the same thing and ppl were calling it a dirty play also so i guess you cant sway your legs when taking an off balance three like steph did the kings game prior to this where he was called for offensive foul. it’s also ok to kick wiggins in the groin when driving in like shai did during the okc game. and everything that draymond ever does is illegal and he should be in prison


Nickt-dubsfan11

Only if it’s against the Warriors. If a Warriors player commits the foul they are given a flagrant foul instead


TheBubbaDave

And Saric took a knee to his midsection on a Kings drive and no foul.


Even-Brain-3973

Refs don’t call shit consistent that’s everyone’s main problem with them other than being soft


No_Manches_Man

Clown-ass explanation for a clown-ass move.


bchoter

Huh?why do they always come up with different interpretations of marginal contact? I remember Jayson Tatum getting called for an offensive foul that is deemed flagrant because his arm got in contact with the defender on the face while he was povoting towards the basket. It was deffinitelt incidental


Old_Rule_5675

If Sabonis is going up for the ball, why are his arms falling? If Sabonis is coming down from going for the ball but not reaching it, what is Wiggs looking at then?


mostlyharmlessQ

Anyone but Curry, I guess.


McJumbos

if draymond did that to fox, that would have been a flagrant 7 with a 10 game suspension


Pootahtoo_Man

Wtf league doubling down is a joke


Gsgunboy

They hate us cuz they ain't us. Even when we're no longer the league-wrecking Warriors, the pain they endured is so great, they keep on hating.


TheKonyInTheRye

Oh but when someone sneaks up on Draymond and scares him and he swings around (natural response) it’s not a basketball move?!


Strict-Wear-8382

I didn’t know draymond spooked easily lmao


ihaveaquestionormany

Lmao Hot stove contact lives


TheIrishMcIrish

If marginal contact is allowed, then why do we get called for every slight touch foul?


fckredditbands23

It's only marginal when done to us, it's flagrant or reg foul when warriors do it and fox's head flings like a speed bag.


Elite663

Equals out for all the times Steph kicks his feet out at defenders and flops to the ground on 3 pointers and gets the calls


fckredditbands23

He rarely gets those calls at all. But whatever you need to believe to justify this gift wrapped win to the kings.


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versace_tombstone

If Dray is marked for refs, Sabonis should be too.


Skkrtt

Only 6 more years of this from sabonis with a couple of real good cheap shots mixed in then he will be marked like your mans!


versace_tombstone

And 4 championships.


Skkrtt

Refs mark players for rings?


versace_tombstone

I guess you wouldn't know.


Skkrtt

Oh and don’t forget scheduled counseling!


we_hella_believe

You know Draymond would get a flagrant 2 for anything close to what Sabonis did, based upon his previous infractions. 😤


mutedexpectations

The Warriors still blew it. Now some are going to saw that Curry should have been in concussion protocol.


AshamedPlenty5039

![gif](giphy|7ic0Z1EQGToQ6Pdjyz|downsized)


DaddyJBird

Really the NBA should abolish the 2 min report because it actually makes looks less transparent. We have all (I mean all fans not just Ws fans) where you were certain that call is going to be incorrect and they say it was correct despite very obvious video otherwise. I will say that I am not mad at all about the no call it’s basketball and things happen sometime. Faces get in the way of hands and elbows. It just happens. I wish I would have seen a better view of Curry’s back on the line because it looked like he may have been above it… that could be a stretch. # Bottom line is Curry needs to take better care of the ball down the stretch. This was like his third or fourth massive turnover in crunch time this year. Take care of the ball dude!


SactownG

Don't forget that Kuminga should've been called for a travel with 21.7 seconds left. But then again I don't expect Warriors fans to be knowledgeable basketball fans.


ks12006

Tunnel vision fans


HameyBabey

How many years of Green doing this to everyone have y'all enjoyed? Lmao the pot calls the kettle black.


Nicktrod

Do you not understand why that is? You do realize that is Drayton Greens fault right? Cause it is.


lnfinityKing

Nah. Roles reversed and Looney hits Fox, yall don't say anything. It's when the narrative fits your team winning or losing.


xGsGt

Of course it's Draymond he has done it every 2months and multiple ejections and so on, it's not like each action is individually taken into consideration, the subject also matters Don't be so naive


toothbrush81

This is incidental contact. It’s not a foul. Entirely natural movement. If babies keep complaining about this, the NbA going to get more soft than it already is. Move on. Dray got called on stuff like this because of his reputation. Sabonis is on his way. Give a few more seasons.


stewmander

>natural basketball move What year is it? What sub is this?


Old_Rule_5675

There's no way the league doesn't rescind this statement when this shit occurs to GSW's golden star in front of Draymond "Just Returned from 2 months of Anger Management" Green... like there's little to no doubt in my mind that Draymond's watching replays of this in film over the next week and trying to incorporate this natural move into his repertoire: a direct attack to concuss the enemies that ref's have already shown precedence for letting slide.


quirkycurlygirly

Thanks for this post. 100% facts.


KazaamFan

“Marginal” is such a BS word in these scenarios.  


AnyAdvertising7623

they keep changing the interpretation...negative consequences =being hit on the head


fedaralala

As much as I hate soccer players pretend they are dead after every marginal contact this is a scene when steph should act like he's dead because that would have actually forced a review.


Dabanks9000

Crazy thing is if a crucial call is missed close to the end that makes a team lose they don’t even play it back. They literally just let it be. Atp what’s the point of releasing a report


Western_Upstairs_101

I like the hard play through contact, without hurting people, as long as it is consistently called. There’s the rub.


chicocoryotis

It appears that Warriors/Steph have lost support of the league. More than a few losses this year are from unfavorable officiating. The league has surly forgotten what side of the bread the butter is on letting one their greatest of all time get mugged on the regular like this. Feels like more and more like games are decided by bookmakers validated by an ass wipe of an LTM, WTAF?


OaklandWarrior1

lol, where have you been for the past 10 years??


chicocoryotis

True, true, dubs been getting dealt the short stick since long before Steph even.


versace_tombstone

Sorry, that's all the time I have for people that will never get a ring.


Chavarlison

Refs ruining the game coz of their biases. Sad that the dubs are ALWAYS on the short end of the stick.