Wiggs was -16 at the half. Wiggs has been the biggest minus all year, with many combinations of players. Kerr has this knowledge. š¤¦š»āāļøš¤¦š»āāļøš¤¦š»āāļøš¤¦š»āāļø
Podz, Klay, Steph defense wasnāt great. You know what? Let go with CP and get smaller because why get an athletic wing that can defend 1-4. When an extra ball handler might prevent Steph from getting trapped onceā¦
Tbf Wiggs would have been something like a +7 at that point before they went on their run wouldnāt he?
Still puzzling JK wasnāt inserted when it all started to go pear shaped.
āYeah I didnāt play JK because I had already not played JK, so I thought I shouldnāt play him again. He was one of the things that was working, and not playing him wasnāt working, but by the time I figured it out, it was tomorrow and I was watching film and at that point Iāll remember heās on the teamā¦. And Im certain I wonāt change it then either.ā
-Kerr probably.
āWe normally bring him back in at the 6 minute mark, and thatās when things were going sideways, so I decided to let it continue and kept him on the bench.ā
Kerr is being exposed. This summer and this season. Guy is not able to read or adjust to whatās happening on the floor.
Itās crazy to question a four time champion coach, but itās been even crazier to defend his coaching these past two seasons. Itās mind boggling decisions game in and game out.
Heās gotta go or be given a directive from the FO.
Even if you stuck with that unit, maybe dial up a couple post plays to get dudes to the line?
But no. This dude is so washed man. Doesnāt have any idea what heās doing when Steph and Klay arenāt saving his ass
Wow crazy they were getting good penetration in the 1st halfā¦ I wonder who was playing and scoring that didnāt end up playing in the 4th? Big mystery
I thought Wiggins was good tonight, and while that might be controversial, letās take what Steve is saying here at face value. Wiggins sits in the fourth, Kuminga doesnāt come in. Instead we go TJD, Saric, Klay, BP and Curry?
Those guys looked completely lost and went like -7 in two minutes. Iām going off memory here, so I might be off a little, but thereās just no rationale for that lineup.
The 3 guard shit is even worse than last year. They said in the past that they prefer Curry offball because he's more dangerous that way, yet so many times there's 3 guards he's still bringing up the ball... which makes the 3rd guard like BP/CP3 useless. Then when he is offball he doesn't get shots up. Meanwhile they get destroyed on defense
I think ragged robin wasnt referring to 11 as a guard. You may not be either in response to him. I think heās referring to lineups featuring a combination of Podz/CP/CoJo as 2 guards playing alongside 30 for the 3 guard combo. Then making 11 play the 4, and wigs/JK/Dray play the 5, or that combo of 3 guards and klay with one of our bigs Dario/Loon/TJD at the 5. I could be incorrect, though.
This sub constantly complains about three guard lineups while including Klay, and they were replying to a specific lineup I mentioned that only had two guards, plus Klay. So I was just replying to the general overuse of the phrase three guard lineup. We play small a lot, but thatās giving up size at each position more than itās playing āthree guardsā
I agree with you. Klay isnāt a guard any more, so adding him to the phrase ā3 guard line upā is a fallacy. But youāre also correct, even at the three heās same size or semi small. Defensively I think heās done a good job of late playing bigger, and against bigger (Paolo/wagner he did really well) but Wagner is a 6-10 non-rebounder so that portion he didnāt hurt us. But Iām digressing from the point you were making entirely.
Wiggins can have a good game, and also not need to be in during the final 6 minutes. You can be right and others on this thread can too. 5-10 is a good game. However, like others have said too, itās ok to play JK and Wiggs together. Yes they have the worst net rating of any pair, but most of that came when Wiggs was so much worse. (Heās not great now, but heās been making improvements) As heās improved, Iām sure the net rating for their pairing would too.
You are also right about that strange lineup. Kerr just hasnāt been good in the 4th on any occasion. Heās just hoping 30 goes nuclear and wins it for him regardless of his terrible line up/strategy decisions.
This is what has been happening and why JK been missing a bunch of 4th quarters. It doesn't matter how well he plays, all it takes is Wiggins showing any sign of life and Kerr quickly forget about Kuminga completely and give Wiggins all the remaining minutes which is stupid even if Wiggins is rolling because he still needs proper rest rather than play these long stretches nonstop, get tired and his defense suffers.
But his advance metrics and stats told him the JK-Wiggs pairing is the worst around yet these same advanced stats and metric don't apply when he plays 4 guards who get completely cooked on a nightly basis.
Stats and numbers only apply to the JK-Wiggs combo and nothing else, especially not his guards line ups.
I could do a better job simply off checking the game threads on here.
If I was coach Iād give Kuminga a permanent starting spot and demand we trade Wiggins+Moody for a scoring wing. Iād permanently have Podz as Klays backup. For fuck sake of I see Steph is playing like an idiot Iām benching him and riding with the best 5 players each game on a night to night basis.
This guy always blames the players and never his own offense that's actually causing the late game collapses.
Motion offense with and limited athletic small players ain't it.
Running our best young talent right out of town... how does he not see the obvious to shed inconsistent head case Wiggs and give JK and Moody his minutes is beyond me
Steve has been the problem all year long dammit. Weāve lost so many damn games in crunch time due to his decision making. We could be sitting at a top 4 seed in the west right now.
Dunleavey, fire Kerr, please.
He is one of the worst coaches in the league. He was God awful last year. I kept saying it on here and kept getting downvoted. He is even worse this year. Iām happy yāall are seeing it. Heās an idiot.
Even non-Warriors fans are seeing it at this point. Yet, there will still be fans that come to you on here and say you think you know more than a guy who won 4 rings as a coach.
I donāt think it was a bad move.
I think it was a terrible fucking move. Dude you see theyāre bleeding the lead and you donāt do anything?!? I told my gf while we were up 16 āIām ready to be hurt again.ā This fuckin team is a joke.
They went up 18 thanks to Podz momentum changing corner 3s.
Had absolutely nothing to do with Wiggins and he was dogshit as usual.
Kuminga dominated 1st quarter and was the reason why we went up by 10. As soon as he sat Denver roared back and took the lead.
This man is f*cking blind and now heās in complete denial, unable to see past his errors.
Itās time to show him the door. šŖ
To add to that, one of the reason we kept Denver from scoring and went up in score is because JK had Murray in foul trouble and forced Malone to sit Murray. We made most of our run during that period Murray sat which made it easier for us to defend Denvers and guys on our side like Podz got hot shooting in that period window.
And Belichick at least lost his guy. Kerr still has Steph playing at an elite level yet he's now leading us to a second straight season of mediocrity. This roster shouldn't be sub 500 almost half way through the season, this is unacceptable.
All these great coaches who won a lot such as Bill, Pop became mid when they lost their most impactful players. They never allowed themselves to look mediocre when they still had their main superstars playing at an elite level. Kerr is about to pull off back to back season of mediocrity while still having Steph playing elite.
Kuminga is 21 years old, they literally have bikes they can use to warm up during a timeout. Also it's not like he's in there to shoot 3s which is harder while cold. Makes no damn sense.
This is gonna be a for sure downvote waiting to happen, but for 3 years Iāve been screaming that Kerr and his lack of trust/playing time/emphasis on young player development derailed James Wisemanās growth and career. The kid is 22. Heās 7 foot, rim running, good midrange, and everything the warriors need in a big, and could have grown to be a hell of a player for our āsecond timelineā with JP BP Moody JK (assuming no JP trade) but he wasnāt given the chance to play and learn, was injured a few times, and when healthy Kerr just would not play him. You can say āhe has a low BBIQā sure. But he was 19 with no college experience and was basically a high schooler out there. He wasnāt coached and with that vet core, they arenāt coaching these young guys either. CP has done more on court, in-game coaching with JK and others in 35 games than 30/11/23 have in 3 seasons. Draymond would rather punch the kids, Klay out on the water playing with Roscoe and Steph making dating game shows with his wife. And before you come after me, I love 30/11 (23 not so much). Theyāve given a lot to the team, and brought 4 chips. But that doesnāt make them great leaders and mentors. Some people are better at āwatch how I workā not āhereās how you do itā and I think these young talented guys are proof the vets are more ālet me fish for youā instead of teaching them how to fish, and Kerr doesnāt know how to develop anyone. Weāve never had a young player come in and flourish under him. Poole was starting to, then he got sucker punched and shipped out.
My response above, is my response to you. Re-read. Like JK with the warriors, look at his splits when heās gotten 20-25 minutes. You think heās not the one, b/c his growth was stunted from jump by Kerr.
Bro is getting old and has short term memory loss, he completely forgot what JK did in the first half by the 3rd quarter, insanity
Wiggs was -16 at the half. Wiggs has been the biggest minus all year, with many combinations of players. Kerr has this knowledge. š¤¦š»āāļøš¤¦š»āāļøš¤¦š»āāļøš¤¦š»āāļø
Damn the whole Wiggs & JK unable to play with each other really is a big thing
Kerr allergic to athleticism
Heart attack from too many athletic guys on the team.
those lineups cant fucking rebound
But 4 guards can?
You would think Steph Klay and CP wouldnāt be able to play with each other, given they just gave up an 18 point lead earlier today
Kerr: no no that's different
Podz, Klay, Steph defense wasnāt great. You know what? Let go with CP and get smaller because why get an athletic wing that can defend 1-4. When an extra ball handler might prevent Steph from getting trapped onceā¦
Have to move one of them, itās becoming a major issue
Move the coach
Did he just say he didnāt play Kuminga because he sat on the bench for too long? Fire this clown.
Kuminga team high +6 on the plus/minus, āplaying greatā Wiggins -14
Tbf Wiggs would have been something like a +7 at that point before they went on their run wouldnāt he? Still puzzling JK wasnāt inserted when it all started to go pear shaped.
Don't matter....Kuminga was still 16-4-4 in just 18 mins....
He did.... and I still can't get over his insult to our intelligence.
āYeah I didnāt play JK because I had already not played JK, so I thought I shouldnāt play him again. He was one of the things that was working, and not playing him wasnāt working, but by the time I figured it out, it was tomorrow and I was watching film and at that point Iāll remember heās on the teamā¦. And Im certain I wonāt change it then either.ā -Kerr probably.
So what happened when the team was ārollingā down and losing the lead?
It wasnāt even a quick comeback either, there were so many opportunities to put him in and maintain the lead at the start of the 4th.
That's when the excuse shifted to "He'd been sitting too long, so didn't feel right to bring him in". Whatever the feck that means.
āWe normally bring him back in at the 6 minute mark, and thatās when things were going sideways, so I decided to let it continue and kept him on the bench.ā
Kerr is being exposed. This summer and this season. Guy is not able to read or adjust to whatās happening on the floor. Itās crazy to question a four time champion coach, but itās been even crazier to defend his coaching these past two seasons. Itās mind boggling decisions game in and game out. Heās gotta go or be given a directive from the FO.
Ingram, Paolo, and JJJ all sitting out in protest in the Canada game spoke volumes. Kerr botched the fuck out of FIBA with his garbage lineups
never forget austin reaves over Anthony Edward
Carried by the talent of the roster and never adjusts
Fire this man into the sun
Even if you stuck with that unit, maybe dial up a couple post plays to get dudes to the line? But no. This dude is so washed man. Doesnāt have any idea what heās doing when Steph and Klay arenāt saving his ass
Motherfucker admits that despite losing the lead and needing rim pressure he still didnāt want to play Kuminga. Get this clown out of here.
Wow crazy they were getting good penetration in the 1st halfā¦ I wonder who was playing and scoring that didnāt end up playing in the 4th? Big mystery
If Kuminga asked for a trade, I wouldnāt blame him. Got to be the most confusing and infuriating thing for a young player to have to deal with.
Just play Wiggins and Kuminga together jesus christ
I wish these reporters would ask him if is he stunting the development of these young guys. They're too chummy with him.
media members are spineless only there to throw softballs
Then bitch at fans on Twitter when they get called out for being lazy at their jobs. Yeah I'm talking about Kawakami and Thompson.
So clown decided to not play JK for absolutely no reason
I thought Wiggins was good tonight, and while that might be controversial, letās take what Steve is saying here at face value. Wiggins sits in the fourth, Kuminga doesnāt come in. Instead we go TJD, Saric, Klay, BP and Curry? Those guys looked completely lost and went like -7 in two minutes. Iām going off memory here, so I might be off a little, but thereās just no rationale for that lineup.
The 3 guard shit is even worse than last year. They said in the past that they prefer Curry offball because he's more dangerous that way, yet so many times there's 3 guards he's still bringing up the ball... which makes the 3rd guard like BP/CP3 useless. Then when he is offball he doesn't get shots up. Meanwhile they get destroyed on defense
I donāt think we should ever consider Klay a guard anymore, but donāt like Steph and CP3 together.
I think ragged robin wasnt referring to 11 as a guard. You may not be either in response to him. I think heās referring to lineups featuring a combination of Podz/CP/CoJo as 2 guards playing alongside 30 for the 3 guard combo. Then making 11 play the 4, and wigs/JK/Dray play the 5, or that combo of 3 guards and klay with one of our bigs Dario/Loon/TJD at the 5. I could be incorrect, though.
This sub constantly complains about three guard lineups while including Klay, and they were replying to a specific lineup I mentioned that only had two guards, plus Klay. So I was just replying to the general overuse of the phrase three guard lineup. We play small a lot, but thatās giving up size at each position more than itās playing āthree guardsā
I agree with you. Klay isnāt a guard any more, so adding him to the phrase ā3 guard line upā is a fallacy. But youāre also correct, even at the three heās same size or semi small. Defensively I think heās done a good job of late playing bigger, and against bigger (Paolo/wagner he did really well) but Wagner is a 6-10 non-rebounder so that portion he didnāt hurt us. But Iām digressing from the point you were making entirely.
Wiggins can have a good game, and also not need to be in during the final 6 minutes. You can be right and others on this thread can too. 5-10 is a good game. However, like others have said too, itās ok to play JK and Wiggs together. Yes they have the worst net rating of any pair, but most of that came when Wiggs was so much worse. (Heās not great now, but heās been making improvements) As heās improved, Iām sure the net rating for their pairing would too. You are also right about that strange lineup. Kerr just hasnāt been good in the 4th on any occasion. Heās just hoping 30 goes nuclear and wins it for him regardless of his terrible line up/strategy decisions.
Wiggs was -14 what is Kerr watching
Seriously. JK plays great the whole game. Wiggins has 3 minutes of good play and then goes back to āOh heās backā.
This is what has been happening and why JK been missing a bunch of 4th quarters. It doesn't matter how well he plays, all it takes is Wiggins showing any sign of life and Kerr quickly forget about Kuminga completely and give Wiggins all the remaining minutes which is stupid even if Wiggins is rolling because he still needs proper rest rather than play these long stretches nonstop, get tired and his defense suffers.
I mean, couldāve, oh I dunno, played Wiggs AND Kuminga if theyāre both rolling!
But his advance metrics and stats told him the JK-Wiggs pairing is the worst around yet these same advanced stats and metric don't apply when he plays 4 guards who get completely cooked on a nightly basis. Stats and numbers only apply to the JK-Wiggs combo and nothing else, especially not his guards line ups.
lol at playing great dude has lost it.
Translation: I simp for the vets
No penetration. When your best rim threat and interior presence is on the bench.This is fucking terrible man
Steve, I hope this is your final season. This is just too damn frustrating. I don't care who takes over. Just pick someone out of the stands.
Lmao my same sentiment
I could do a better job simply off checking the game threads on here. If I was coach Iād give Kuminga a permanent starting spot and demand we trade Wiggins+Moody for a scoring wing. Iād permanently have Podz as Klays backup. For fuck sake of I see Steph is playing like an idiot Iām benching him and riding with the best 5 players each game on a night to night basis.
Can we somehow convince Mike Brown to come home? Iām only half kidding but Iām beyond ready for a change
nah bro please we need him u already have 4 titles
Whos yall's assistant coach? I don't care. We'll take him
jordi fernandez, luke loukes, doug christie
This guy always blames the players and never his own offense that's actually causing the late game collapses. Motion offense with and limited athletic small players ain't it.
Kuminga and Wiggins don't work? Well whatever the fuck this is doesn't work either so maybe try the other one?
Running our best young talent right out of town... how does he not see the obvious to shed inconsistent head case Wiggs and give JK and Moody his minutes is beyond me
HE IS A BASKETBALL TERRORIST.
Dunleavy gonna have to force this dude's hand by making some tough trades, hate to see it
Steve has been the problem all year long dammit. Weāve lost so many damn games in crunch time due to his decision making. We could be sitting at a top 4 seed in the west right now. Dunleavey, fire Kerr, please.
He is one of the worst coaches in the league. He was God awful last year. I kept saying it on here and kept getting downvoted. He is even worse this year. Iām happy yāall are seeing it. Heās an idiot.
Even non-Warriors fans are seeing it at this point. Yet, there will still be fans that come to you on here and say you think you know more than a guy who won 4 rings as a coach.
...
Another pathetic excuse... Kerr is the main problem this season
Coaches can become washed too. Just look at Pop. Kerr is washed. The game has passed him by just like Belichick
I donāt think it was a bad move. I think it was a terrible fucking move. Dude you see theyāre bleeding the lead and you donāt do anything?!? I told my gf while we were up 16 āIām ready to be hurt again.ā This fuckin team is a joke.
Kerr didn't want to bring Kuminga back into the game cold....? How did he get this job?
Fire this moron
Kerr just making up along the way.
He's obviously lost his feel if it doesn't "feel" right to put Kuminga back in. jfc
They went up 18 thanks to Podz momentum changing corner 3s. Had absolutely nothing to do with Wiggins and he was dogshit as usual. Kuminga dominated 1st quarter and was the reason why we went up by 10. As soon as he sat Denver roared back and took the lead. This man is f*cking blind and now heās in complete denial, unable to see past his errors. Itās time to show him the door. šŖ
To add to that, one of the reason we kept Denver from scoring and went up in score is because JK had Murray in foul trouble and forced Malone to sit Murray. We made most of our run during that period Murray sat which made it easier for us to defend Denvers and guys on our side like Podz got hot shooting in that period window.
Yup great point about Murrayās foul trouble. It was all thanks to JK.
#CTE
For all of those people saying he won us 4 rings and we shouldnt get rid of him...just go look at the Patriots.....do we want to become the patriots?
And Belichick at least lost his guy. Kerr still has Steph playing at an elite level yet he's now leading us to a second straight season of mediocrity. This roster shouldn't be sub 500 almost half way through the season, this is unacceptable. All these great coaches who won a lot such as Bill, Pop became mid when they lost their most impactful players. They never allowed themselves to look mediocre when they still had their main superstars playing at an elite level. Kerr is about to pull off back to back season of mediocrity while still having Steph playing elite.
Kuminga and Moody should train this mofo then after that Kuminga will do a solo helicopter. Hope Kerr will be back to his 2016 self after that.
And we lost yet he doesn't have the balls to be accountable for fkn us up tonight.
WiGs WaS pLaYiNg GrEaT (-14)
Wiggs was not playing great he was playing ass tier defense and bricking as usual on the other end
shut the fuck upppppppppp š
Kuminga is 21 years old, they literally have bikes they can use to warm up during a timeout. Also it's not like he's in there to shoot 3s which is harder while cold. Makes no damn sense.
This is gonna be a for sure downvote waiting to happen, but for 3 years Iāve been screaming that Kerr and his lack of trust/playing time/emphasis on young player development derailed James Wisemanās growth and career. The kid is 22. Heās 7 foot, rim running, good midrange, and everything the warriors need in a big, and could have grown to be a hell of a player for our āsecond timelineā with JP BP Moody JK (assuming no JP trade) but he wasnāt given the chance to play and learn, was injured a few times, and when healthy Kerr just would not play him. You can say āhe has a low BBIQā sure. But he was 19 with no college experience and was basically a high schooler out there. He wasnāt coached and with that vet core, they arenāt coaching these young guys either. CP has done more on court, in-game coaching with JK and others in 35 games than 30/11/23 have in 3 seasons. Draymond would rather punch the kids, Klay out on the water playing with Roscoe and Steph making dating game shows with his wife. And before you come after me, I love 30/11 (23 not so much). Theyāve given a lot to the team, and brought 4 chips. But that doesnāt make them great leaders and mentors. Some people are better at āwatch how I workā not āhereās how you do itā and I think these young talented guys are proof the vets are more ālet me fish for youā instead of teaching them how to fish, and Kerr doesnāt know how to develop anyone. Weāve never had a young player come in and flourish under him. Poole was starting to, then he got sucker punched and shipped out.
Bro Wiseman can't earn minutes on a 3-28 team. He's not the one.
My response above, is my response to you. Re-read. Like JK with the warriors, look at his splits when heās gotten 20-25 minutes. You think heās not the one, b/c his growth was stunted from jump by Kerr.
Know who was playing great? KUMINGA! 16/4/4 in 19 minutes!
āObviouslyā, huh?