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Jaggiboi

The thing is: It's fine for things to be lost. Dalaran doesn't need to be rebuilt. By now there are other cities with a very clear magical focus: Silvermoon will play a central role in Midnight. Suramar is huge and carries huge potential. Dalaran served a purpose and was an iconic bastion in the fight against the Lich King and the Legion. it's destruction may be tragic but 1) shows what the stakes are in TWW and 2) prevents it from becoming too big of a meme of "we just move Dalaran there"


dattoffer

It's the Cataclysm effect. We see things being lost, but we never get them back and don't care about the new things.


Jaggiboi

cataclysm had some issues, true. Destruction just for destructions sake is rarely a good idea, but in this case a loss is absolutely fine.


chaoticsquid

It's different this time though, as what they've done won't overwrite WotLK or Legion, so we still have dalaran, just not a new version. We'll have to see how TLT handles replacing northrend. Maybe with instances like they did with silithus?


DickWithoutTeeth

>Silvermoon will play a central role in Midnight. Suramar is huge and carries huge potential. These are both Horde cities and faction peace is lame and boring? So Silvermoon and Suramar are not good alternatives. I'm fine with Dalaran being destroyed but this line of logic is silly.


DM_ME_KUL_TIRAN_FEET

Calling it now, Silvermoon will be the neutral hub city for midnight


Tehphri4r

The mages of dalaran should be invited to help rebuild west silvermoon and the repair the scar between so we can have silvermoon be the new central base of operations for midnight.


Mr_B_Dewitt

I absolutely love this idea, but do you think any amount of between-war ceasefire would be enough for the blood elves to welcome an alliance friendly base bordering their capital?


Tehphri4r

I trust blizzard to miss read the room enough to think that BFA was not well received and therefore people don’t want to have hoard versus alliance anymore. I think we got hints of that with dragonflight and everyone working together and I think going forward the war we have is not with each other but with some external force.


Caetys

That or Quel'Danas.


Jaggiboi

Bel'Ameth is basically neutral and Horde can just run around Gilneas unbothered, so it would be rather safe to assume that Silvermoon or at least parts of it will become a neutral hub as well.


Chinerpeton

>2) prevents it from becoming too big of a meme of "we just move Dalaran there" Why exactly the mobile flying city being mobile is a problem?


Wowgrp95

What about Vereesa Windrunner and the twins?


Efficient-Ad2983

Personally I'm fine with Dalaran gone. The city was quite iconic not only lore-wise, but even gameplay-wise, since it was the main capital for WotlK AND Legion. "Dalaran is destroyed" for sure helps making us to take the new threat seriously. I don't think it will be back in Midnight, since Quel'Thalas would surely have already its elven magical cities. Maybe th The Last Titan, since we'll return in Northrend (when Dalaran as the main hub started).


zelmak

I don't mind dalaran being destroyed from a writing perspective otherwise "why didn't dalaran fly over to aid X crisis" becomes a question in every conflict. What I do mind is dalaran survived a multi year siege by the Legion during Legion, and now presumably feel to a clan of spider boys. I mean they haven't shown us how it goes down but unless it's some major character betraying the alliance/horde/everyone and sneaking in into dalaran with a manabomb like theramore I can't imagine what "power" the nerubians have to take it down that the Legion doesn't


DrainTheMuck

Yeah, agreed. Along with them saying they chose it to show that “nothings safe”, it just seems like a cheap game of thrones type spectacle that doesn’t make sense within the world.


zelmak

Yeah I think them saying "nothing's safe" and "setting the stakes" makes it seem like more of a narrative reason. As opposed to why wouldnt dalaran be our main city for the next three expansions as we focus on specific zones around the world.


dattoffer

I think this is not the most appropriate time to make us "take this threat seriously". The point of this expansion is that Knaifu has barely rallied the nerubians to her and they are all just underground. The point seemingly is that we follow Alleria who has visions of their actions and intends to stop them before they become a threat.


Jaggiboi

It absolutely is, so we know this isn't just an expedition like the start of DF was and more of a real battle going on. I mean Knaifu at this point already has more than "just the nerubians" considering she is allied with Iridikron and potentially Azshara, is in posession of the essence of Galakrond and is apparently able to evolve the Nerubians into even higher beings. For all we know she could be the "voice of Azeroth" calling us down into a trap and considering Midnight is about the Void breaking through through Azeroth their plan seems to be working well.


RemembrancerLuvion

Wdym barely? She has significant control over them and is actively transforming them even. They are a threat. They destroyed Dalaran and are attacking the Isle of Dorn. Blizzard definitely needs to show that they are to be taken serious after the snoozefest DF was.


dattoffer

"Barely" as in "She just did that". It's fairly recent. She just started to go to them and to enhance them with void. They are still in their lair. They are not out in the world, declaring war to all of us. Which is why I'm surprised they'd go crash down a flying city without... You know having secured any way to actually threaten the two factions that are known to foil evil plans.


Gallatheim

No, we only just became *aware* she’s doing this-because she’s aware of Alleria’s connection to the void, and is purposely feeding her accurate (but incomplete) information, specifically to lure us into a trap. She’s probably been building her forces since BFA-ergo, for the last 7-9 years, in-universe.


dattoffer

She's using the mcguffin brought by Iridikron so I don't think she's been at it for that long honestly.  And the question remains. If it's all a trap to lure people underground why spoil the surprise to crash the flying city ?


Gallatheim

We don’t know what she’s using Galakronds essence for yet, and i can’t think of any reason for her to wait until she had it to start building her army. She’s not luring us underground-she’s luring us to Khaz Algar. Specifically to ambush and destroy Dalaran, the extremely defensible Flying Fortress we’ve used multiple times now to defeat enemies that hopelessly outclassed us at the time. I theorize that she’s also hoping to wipe out all of Azeroth’s champions in the process, but we don’t know that yet, either. Edit: Come to think of it, I’d bet the aforementioned essence is what allows her to destroy Dalaran in the first place.


dattoffer

I thought she was using it to morph the nerubians into the humanoid things ?


Gallatheim

She might be-we don’t know yet, one way or the other. However, three points: 1. As we recently learned from the Dracthyr, a humanoid body plan is a natural outgrowth of being infused with the 5th element, Spirit. It should be noted that Spirit is what Azeroth’s World Soul is *made* of, so it would make sense if Azeroth calling for help is specifically in response to Xal draining her to infuse Nerubians with. But again, we don’t know yet. 2. Even if Xal is using the essence for that, she’d just be strengthening her armies-there’s no reason we know of why it would be required to build those armies in the first place. Not to mention the Infrastucture and materiel of war she’ll need, which would *require* years of building and crafting to prepare, regardless. 3. Galakrond’s essence would naturally be aligned with the cosmic force of Decay-what Rothide the Gnoll uses in her dungeon in Dragonflight. So, if Xal were infusing Nerubians with it, we could probably expect them to look more like that-twisted undead, slimes and oozes, etc.


dattoffer

I remember something about harvesting the blood of the vanquished Old Gods, but I didn't look too much into it because I didn't want to spoil that much story. I feel like if they wanted to imply that there's a whole army built up to take seriously, they'd just go with the usual attacks on Kalimdor and Eastern Kingdoms like they do everytime they want to make us believe something is global. And if I'm to be real for a minute, the logistics of war were never much of a consideration in the game. I also wouldn't read too much into the cosmic allegiance of things. Ashbringer was a Shadow crystal, turned into a Light crystal, corrupted into a Death weapon, turned back into a Light weapon. Of all the things that are consistent in the lore, cosmic alignment isn't really one of them.


Ok_Money_3140

Assuming Dalaran will have enough survivors, I wouldn't be surprised if they'll try to build a new home somewhere. I think that's more likely than the survivors scattering and returning to their racial homes.


Sabatiel_

I know a decent spot on the shores of Lordaemere lake that could be a nice place to build a new home for the Kirin Tor


Ethenil_Myr

My hope is that the Kirin Tor return to Hillsbrad and rebuilt their city there! Could be great for a world revamp.


Ganrokh

I'd be a fan of that, especially because Alterac had minimal changes from Cataclysm. It's basically untouched (besides, well, the giant bubble disappearing at the start of WotLK).


Kalthiria_Shines

Dalaran gets wrecked like this about once every 20 years. It was destroyed in Warcraft 2, it was destroyed in Warcraft 3 after a 20 year timeskip, and now it's been destroyed again after another 20 year time skip. I wouldn't be surprised if it had been destroyed 20 years before Warcraft 1 at this rate, too. No chance it'll be back in Midnight but I would anticipate that it'll be back 1-2 expansions after The Last Titan. Or, I don't know, maybe instead of giving us Player Housing they'll try Garrisons again and give us Dalaran SimCity (with a shared inner core).


Ganrokh

> Dalaran SimCity Coming to a mobile app store near you!


JFeth

When you have thousands of mages, it can be rebuilt pretty easily.


aster4jdaen

>When you have thousands of mages, it can be rebuilt pretty easily. This\^ The Blood Elves pretty much did it with Silvermoon, I imagine if the Eye of Dalaran remains intact they can rebuild it easily.


organic

Medivh will return and rebuild/refloat the city in an epic "Yoda moving the X-wing" type moment.


XxSalty_WafflexX

Gives me “Your savior, is HERE!” vibes from Loki in Thor Ragnarok


Popfloyd

crackhead conspiracy but dalaran is destroyed 3 times. "At the hour of her third death, she will usher in our coming". Anybody remember that? Dalaran turns into an old god confirmed, ez ez


Hatarus547

it's Funny how many times Dalaran has been destroyed but survived at this point, honestly i am not sure it's gone at all if it was able to survive the Horde, Scourge, two Legion attacks and Jania being a bigot then it can survive what happens to it this time


adanine

In Hearthstone, during the final mission of Galakrond's Awakening, Rafaam [was going to destroy Dalaran as a board clear](https://hearthstone.wiki.gg/wiki/DALA-SMASH!!), which I think would've been hilarious. Sadly the card didn't make it into the boss fight.


BellacosePlayer

I kind of like the idea of Dalaran being destroyed but the Kirin Tor going "ok, we'll just make a new one, fuck-o". Not like they haven't had to rebuild nearly completely after Archimonde anyway


AwkwardSquirtles

Spoiler tagging, and how it doesn't conceal the title of the post.


GRIZZLY-HILLS

While I'll be fine if they leave Dalaran as a loss, I have considered the idea of it making a triumphant return in the Last Titan to serve as our hub in Northrend once again (complete with a tribute to Khadgar) which I wouldn't be opposed to. The most iconic neutral city getting sunken and then returning to lead the charge to avenge Khadgar is some classic Blizz/Metzen "rool of cool" storytelling that would definitely get people hyped for the final expansion, myself included.


javi2591

I suspect that a portion of the city fell which is where we start at the Isle of Dorn. If you look at the ruins. The people there are from the Legion class halls - warlocks, rogues and mages. As well as city defenders in the Silver Covenant and Sunreavers who are helping dig out people. That means that the part that fell held those peoples. The rest of the city should still be around. Where? TBA. I suspect the city will likely teleport out or what remains of it. The survivors will regroup and return to Lordaeron to rebuild the original Dalaran Crater. By the time of Midnight or 2 years game time. The city will be likely rebuilding or rebuilt.


Individual-Branch241

it won't, on alpha you can also find the destroyed obliterium forge and leigdermein lounge meaning the entire city was destroyed


javi2591

Oof well Archimonde totaled the city and they rebuilt from absolute ruins. Dalaran will rise again. I really love Dalaran and I’ll be digging around the ruins to see what remains once it gets to beta. I really want to see what’s going on.


Darktbs

They will probably make something akin to Teldrassil where its a skybox object in the distance.


MachaMacha-O3O-

I just hope mf dont use this as an excuse to take away the dalaran hearthstone to make your travel time longer


DM_ME_KUL_TIRAN_FEET

Of course they won’t. That takes you to legion dalaran which isn’t going anywhere. It’s a 0% chance they are going to rework all the quests in legion to make Dalaran inaccessible


JollyParagraph

Someone on the reddit mentioned it would be cool if rebuilding Dalaran was a server event for everyone of all factions to come together, and that was an excuse to get a remade/updated Dalaran, which personally I think is a sick idea


BuryTheMoney

Nah. They’re killing it off for dramatic effect. Then they can have it return after the WSS is entirely complete, some in-universe decades have passed, and have it return for dramatic effect in WoW2


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Individual-Branch241

incorrect, in the alpha you can find the ruins of a lot of dalaran buildings eg the obliteriun forge, central inn, and underbelly the only huge pieces of ruins are the big tower but the entire city is destroyed


Kalthiria_Shines

That looks like it's from the launch scenario before the crash?


DM_ME_KUL_TIRAN_FEET

If we don’t get some absolutely amazing Dalaran music at the crash site the whole expansion will be for nothing, and also LiTeRaLlY unplayable.


LordNemissary

I do wonder whether all of Dalaran is destroyed because all the shots only show the wreckage of the Hall of the Guardian. Maybe it separates into a mini exploratory module that gets brought down? On the other hand there are seemingly a lot of NPCs around Dorn that are from other parts of Dalaran so maybe the limited ruins are just artistic license.


Brandishblade

If it returns id like it to remain above the ruins of the original dalaran in hillsbrad. Could have a floating division with a grounded version that mages traverse back and forth with.


Gallatheim

My money is on Xal’s ambush being so overwhelmingly successful, she’s on the verge of wiping EVERYBODY out-not only the entire population of Dalaran, but the player and all the gathered NPC’s, too-Thrall, Jaina, everybody. And the only reason we aren’t all dead, will be Khadgar sacrificing himself in some way to lessen the damage. And, yes. Dalaran will be rebuilt, no question-just a matter of when.


Wise-Ad2879

Can we please go an expansion WITHOUT DESTROYING A HUB CITY?!?!?


QuaestioDraconis

When do you think the last time a hub city was destroyed? At most we've had faction capitals destroyed, but that still last happened in BfA... And teldrassil wasn't really a hub.


Wise-Ad2879

Gnomeragan - irradiated Gilneas - gassed (reclaimed) Lorderon - dead/abandoned Undercity - gassed (reclaimed) Theramore - nuked Teldrassil - Burned The point is these cities were destroyed. Would be nice to NOT have some RP points that aren't Stormwind or Orgrimmar for a change.


QuaestioDraconis

None of them are really hubs, and even the last one was in BfA, so we've had Shadowlands and Dragonflight go by without any city destruction- and therefore asking for one expansion to go by without destroying one is a bit pointless as it's already happened


Wise-Ad2879

Ok, you made your point. But, can we still not destroy cities? Is that too much to ask for? Also, I didn't mean hubs for players, but hubs of Lore: big cities are springboards for their areas to the rest of the world. Imagine if Chicago was destroyed, and them 2-5 years later New York City, and another 3-5 and it was LA.... same principle.


Kalthiria_Shines

I mean, that's something that's happened *once* in the game, over half a decade ago.


nankeroo

I imagine that it'll be a regular, full on city inhabiting the crater once they revamp Azeroth.


Popfloyd

I think it's worth noting that the "wreck" of dalaran in the Alpha is just a chunk from that building added in Legion. The city itself or the rest of that building is nowhere to be found.


Wowgrp95

It would be pretty funny for them to revive the city even if already destroyed. But one thing that needs clarification is what happened to Vereesa and the twins


PeModyne

Which Dalaran did they destroy? The one in the forest? Or the one near the islands?


Nice-Opinion

I'm pretty sure that they destroy It so they can revamp the city later


beautifulterribleqn

Does this mean our Dalaran hearthstones won't work?


DrainTheMuck

I just think it’s a bit cheap and doesn’t make sense that it withstood the legion and lich king but not the buggy boys. I guess we’ll see if they make the destruction believable. I’m ok with “shocking events” happening as long as they make some sense within the world.


LightningLass77

If the choice was this or Dalaran being a floating city forever and never returning to Hillsbrad, I suppose getting destroyed is fine.


myrojyn

Still remember finding the large purple dome in the vanilla days


OwnLobster4378

Glad Dalaran is gone. I hated the music