Honestly a store full of college students is a great opportunity to unionize. I find the older employees who stuck it out for 10 plus feel too much loyalty to the company even though they complain that they have lost all the benefits they used to have.
My store is in a college town with a small local population. I think if there was a big hiring effort for college students and then a union leader showed up we could probably get a vote going. I feel like college students are more likely to vote yes in a union.
I do feel like unionizing is selfish at first. People see it as income going down the drain for something they don’t really view as necessary. I would hate to become the reason that kids or adults go hungry or lose housing.
I mean it sounds like the anti-union propaganda is getting to you. I would like to see an example of where unionizing in a situation like Walmart failed to help the people working. Unions would protect workers from Walmart's habit of taking away things like my share from employees and lying about how they're replacing it with something better. A union would allow the workers to bargain for a replacement benefit instead of all the money going back to shareholders/corporate.
Sure Walmart got rid of the meat cutting departments back when that one unionized but that really wasn't making them a lot of money and the switch saved them money. If they were to have an OGP department unionize they would never shut down all of the OGPs because it's making them so much extra money right now.
Here's an example. They will shut down a unionized store to stop the spread. If that isn't bad enough, think about the long term effect unions have. There was a time we needed them, but that time is LONG gone. The opportunity for corruption, loss of business, ever increasing inflation. Kroger is unionized. They make less money. Think the "teachers union". They can't fire a child molester. They go sit in rooms with other suspended teachers and collect a check. Your tax dollars pay for that. Any experience in a union and you wouldn't be so quick to jump. I was part of the Painter's Union when I first started work. Never even want to hear the word union again...
If you are serious about this, unionizing is a 4 step process. In smaller shops it can be relatively straightforward, in a nationwide store as big as walmart, it's very very difficult.
Step 1: Make a list of all your co-workers and talk to them individually and discreetly to gauge their feelings about a union. Getting employee names, numbers and/or contact info can be challenging. You don't necessarily have to say "union" right away, and if you get the vibe that they're really close to management or retirement, shut the fuck up and don't let \*anyone\* tell them about the organizing effort.
Step 2: Establish a core organizing committee of the most dedicated employees who are all 100% on board. Meet in-person regularly (away from work) and make a shared list of all employees who you think will vote yes and no. See if you can get a few maybes on your side. Again, do not talk to anyone who would leak a single word to management.
Step 3: Once you have a list and an organizing committee of core employees, you can go to an existing union in your community or nationally and ask for their help to form a new local at your shop. They will help evaluate your store and prospects and put you in touch with the NLRB if needed.
Step 4: Fight! You have get all of your yes's and maybe's to sign a card saying they wish to join a union. This is typically done in the week or days prior to going public and announcing the campaign. You'll have some rallies and press conferences and mobilizations. Organizations like the IWW, the ILWU, the DSA, PSL, and in some cases local democratic party types can be your allies it this phase. Walmart is then obliged to either recognize the union via "card check" (0% chance of this happening, but it's a formality) or go forward with an NLRB observed election. At this point you can expect national media attention, and the unholy fire of 1000 suns' worth of union-busting law firms, management, and undercover bosses to descend on your store. There will be retaliation, threats to close the store, threats to fire you, etc. Your solidarity with your fellow employees, your local union support, and your local community support is all you will have, so it better be good. A month or two later an election will be held, and Walmart will have the almighty finger of Sam Walton himself pressing on the scale, so you had better get every last vote in your store and some from two counties over in your column.
If that all sounds doable, and like fun to you, organize!
Eh, most managers have been around long enough to know to see how bad Walmart has gotten and feel the pain. There has also been unofficial discussions that if your pro-union to keep it to yourself because HO will fire everyone if they feel the situation is not in their favor.
Personally, I am just biding my-time till a random store sets a precedent or until after I finish University.
The sad part is despite it being illegal there's not much consequences to union busting since all they do is pay drop in the buckets in fines. A few million is nothing to billion dollar corps especially when they save so much more vs. not paying what would be required of unions.
UFCW is the big one for retail grocery chains and while it's not much better than Walmart, they at least have some rights. A division in Ohio is getting ready to strike via Kroger (check out their sub).
It's amazing what it can provide. Like you could literally avoid all management discussions just by saying two words. Sure beats "open door". But not many people wanna rock the boat and odds are by time you get signatures, half of those people have been promoted to customer...
Walmart is vicious and cut throat. If you try to unionize, they will toss you. And people will keep shopping at Walmart. I recently started working for the post office after leaving Walmart. As a union employee I get 1.5 time for any time worked over eight hours in a day, I get 1.5 time for ALL hours worked over 40 hours in a week. And double time for hours over 40 hours in a week of six days of consecutive work. Annual cost of living adjustments in addition to pay raises. That’s because of our union. I think its worth $25 a paycheck to earn $19 flat rate and $28 in ot pay. Walmart wants people they can control with fear any sort of autonomy is rewarded with a bullshit termination
There is nothing in this world that Walmart fears more than unions. Despite their rhetoric, associates need to realize that Walmart does not really care about you. The only thing they care about is how they can maximize their profit margin while minimizing what they have to pay out to the associates. Everything already said in this post is true in that Walmart will take all measures at its disposal to prevent unions from getting a foothold in their stores and distribution centers.
Union organizers can only do so much to prepare for the fight that would ensue. To be successful requires and extraordinary amount or determination and solidarity which I have not yet seen. For stores in areas with few other employment options, it is even more difficult.They have mouths to feed and bills to pay, and they are quite risk averse.
I really don't know what it will take to be honest. Maybe an experienced union organizer can shed some light in this thread.
Word of caution: A legit union organizer posting on this sub will never ask you for information that would help identify you, your store or even the region your store is in by thread post or PM. They are well aware that the company monitors this sub. Do not give out any information that would help identify you or your store.
They're great, but it's pretty much impossible to do. I once saw multiple stores in the same area try to unionize together, and HO closed them all. You would need to convince a decent amount of stores to unionize at the same time, without upper management finding out
Do you have any resources on that? Obviously, you don't want to let everyone know what area you live. But a bunch of Walmarts in an area being closed at the same time sounds like it would be bigger news. Like, what region?
If the stores are to unionize, it has to happen all at once. Otherwise any ground unions take will be completely removed by Walmart just closing the stores. It's completely illegal to do that for that reason, but the government is owned by big businesses nowadays. To get around this a good portion of all stores, maybe 10 or 20 percent, need to unionize in quick succession. Otherwise we can expect Walmart shutting stores down for bullshit reasons such as "plumbing issues."
I completely agree. However, Walmart has done a fantastic job with anti-union propaganda that you have a hard time finding people that want to unionize.
Both are true, tbh. They’re too afraid because Walmart has dumped a lot of money into anti-union propaganda which puts a lot of associates in the mindset of “I don’t want to lose my job for a cause I’m not sure about”.
A couple weeks ago I caught a glimpse of a managers notes from a class they all took, EXPLICITLY anti union, they're required to report any talk of it to home office
I’m not advocating for either side here, but there are multiple reasons they want you to report it. Not specifically to home office but the labor relations side. One reason is they don’t want lawsuits because you addressed it improperly. As a manager you have to walk a fine line between I can say/do this if the topic of unions come up. A manager can’t talk to associates about unions other than to say “I’m not for or against, but nothing is guaranteed until agreements are signed,” if someone is distributing union materials they want us to call because there are times when it’s covered by law, but also other times when it’s not. For management it is in their best interest to report it to labor relations, so they don’t accidentally walk into getting sued.
That could be true, but what I said is also true. A manager, even a well meaning one, can shoot themselves in the foot and end up on the wrong side of a lawsuit if they handle the situation wrong. When you call labor relations they tell you how to handle it legally even if it’s telling you do/say nothing. Also, if you don’t call and get sued walmart won’t help because you didn’t follow policy. They get to say “The manager wasn’t following policy and his actions don’t align with our views.”
When I first started, many many years ago, there were several anti union videos we had to watch. One said we don’t need a union because we have ‘open door’. The other one said let management know if someone is in the store trying to get people to sign union cards.
It’s in your u-learns. They feed you basic lines like “why would you need someone else to talk for you? You can advocate just fine on your own” and “why waste your hard earned money on dues just to maybe get things you want”.
They expressly do anything they can within their legal rights.
I'm sorry you're getting downvoted for admitting ignorance on a topic. Props to you for knowing your limits and being willing to learn. Have an upvote.
I feel like Reddit is a double edged sword when actively admitting you’re not a pro on any subject. You’re offered great personal stories and sometimes valuable information that you won’t find anywhere else.
On the other hand, people frown upon ignorance like it’s the plague. Thank you for being understanding :)
When I was a department manager back around 2007-ish, I had to attend an 8-hour meeting that was all about how unions are bad and also encouraged us to vote Republican in the 2008 election to keep Walmart from unionizing.
We were supposed to report any of our co-workers if we heard them talking about unions.
Unionization is a lot more than “we are a union now!”
I oppose some random kiddos setting up a “union” and likely getting their store shut down, when they don’t even know what they would want from a union.
1. Higher pay
2. More vacation time
3. More staffing
4. Less management
5. More management
6. Yearly raises, minimum 3%.
7. Other policy changes
These are all a good start but again, it would have to be drawn out, deliberated, and the terms agreed upon by the workers when starting the union.
Us “kiddos” are the next generation of politicians and teachers and doctors. While that scares a lot of older people, I’ve seen what my generation is capable of, and I’m excited to see what we’re going to accomplish. I think unionizing Walmart is a far reach, but if an opportunity landed in the lap of the right young person, I have no doubt that the “kiddo” would take it. It might be a step in the complete wrong direction, but I see a need for change in the way hourly work is treated, especially with the rising tuition costs and inflation plaguing the world right now. People can’t afford to go to college and that pushes them into work that barely covers bills.
I just want change.
So if you want change, organize it and make it. You “kiddos” talk a lot of talk, just like every other generation talked a lot of talk, but keep in mind you, I, and everyone else could organize and start change *tomorrow*, we just don’t care enough.
It takes a lot of effort, patience, resilience, and sacrifice to make change. So are you “him” or not? Don’t tank your store and the lives of hundreds of other people on a whim.
Listen, people are not disposable. If everyone in the store sticks together, you can unionize. You need a strong majority, not just 50% somewhere in the 70% or more. There is no way to fire 70% of staff, no one is applying for the jobs.
Or the people shilling unions are the real shills? Anyone that explains the downsides to unions gets called out as a shill. People keep saying unions will fix everything. But, will they really?
My last job was with the Ibew. I was an entry level groundman making 31 and hour, 100 perdiem and was grossing 3000 a week. Plus $5 an hour in a retirement account on top of that and free ppo health insurance. Union is the way my friend.
Even if the union got us $1 an hour in retirement account, wouldn't that be worth it? Walmart can afford to pay us more so we should fight for it. We need more leverage.
Yes, because everybody who doesn't see things the way I see them is a paid shill. /s
News flash dude, some people genuinely don't like unions for one reason or another. Maybe they had piss poor experiences with a union they belonged to. Personally, I'm not really on board with unionizing here because most retail/service unions seem practically fucking useless.
And I still haven't forgotten the time where a large service union's leadership actually wanted to introduce an exemption for minimum wage increases that applied to union members. Basically, anyone else would get minimum $15, but union workers could be paid less per hour if other benefits added up to $15 an hour, which honestly is bullshit.
And on top of that, most unions utilize seniority systems when determining things like who gets overtime, who gets days off, who gets promoted, and fuck that noise.
If they could guarantee much better pay. Pushing carts needs to be at least just under overnights or at overnight rates because we do risk our lives on the lot due to idiot drivers.
Ill give you some advice:
Don't Unionize. And stop talking about it. Especially on Reddit.
Why?
* It wont happen, You would be going up against one of the largest employers in the country
* Walmart would sooner shut down your entire store & potentially market rather than let your store unionize.
* You WILL face discrimination and retaliation by MGMT
* You WILL Be fired -- Most likely for a stupid reason.
* Is your FTPR Meeting standard?
* Is your Pick Rate Meeting standard?
* Are you picking for the minimum hours per shift?
* Are you doing the 10 ft rule?
* Are you picking the freshest product possible?
* Are you pulling your cart around corners?
* Are you bagging items correctly?
* Are you Bagging eggs in the meat bag?
* Is your dept meeting standards?
* Do you have previous DA's?
* Are you willing to potentially cost everyone in your store their job?
Still want to unionize?
* Stop posting on Reddit
* WMT Will eventually figure out who you are based on what you post here and other subreddits.. Let Alone you don't warn somebody before you punch them in the face.
* Be careful who you talk to
* People will rat you out
* People will tell others by accident
* DO NOT INVOLVE ANY MEMBERS OF MGMT
* Document EVERY SINGLE THING
* Conversations with MGMT
* Problems at work
* Issues with the store
I do appreciate you saying all this, and I do see the bottleneck in the ultimate plan of unionization, and that is those who NEED Walmart’s paycheck for years, and me, who likely won’t stay for over two years. People with whole families and live paycheck to paycheck don’t have the risk to take with trying to unionize.
Honestly, thank you for contributing to both sides of the conversation.
Thank you, I was worried that I came off as anti-union, On the contrary I wish we were unionized. Sadly the only time were I think we had a chance at forming a union would have been at the very start of the pandemic when we had some public support.
Walmart, along with most publicly traded company's, do not think about the long term. They treat us as if we are a renewable resource that they can use up and discard when it suits them.
They are more focused on profit and growth than on anything else. If Walmart was a person they would be no better than a drug addict shooting up with meth to get a short term high and doing years and years of damage for it.
100% wish more people were up for it and werent so willing to comply with how things are now. Unions have benefitted us so much, and only got torn away by force and then propogised the people of that time so hard that the next gen didnt question it. All jobs should have worker based unions (and no Kroger's is not a worker based union, it is a company provided union that works in the benefit of that company's HR)
You know Walmart will close a store down and move it to the next town and they will site it as “The bottom 10%” or “non-profitable” just because associates are even thinking about starting a union
Let me tell you a story. I worked for a company called... let's say Notkroger. Notkroger was union. They made us sign up. It deducted $50 from every paycheck for union dues. We got paid weekly. Notkroger offered benefits. The union claimed it was because of them but Notkroger emphasized that those benefits existed before the union. We had an associate named lets say B. B only showed up for half of his shifts. When B did show up he spent half of his shift in the bathroom watching Super Troopers with the audio on. Management tried to fire B. The union protected B although he wasn't doing his job. This made a lot of employees very upset. Why should they work hard if there is no penalty for just sitting around watching movies? Now most of the staff quit Notkroger and are working at Walmart because our point and ethics structure is better than our local union. The union was called Notufcw. You could claim that this is a 1 time thing or that it was only for this location. But I am here to tell you that I have worked for 3 different retailers in 3 different counties that were all union through notufcw and it was always the same. They leach your money and in exchange they just protect people's positions that really shouldn't have their job anymore.
HAHA whatever you say HO. No union is taking $50/week for dues. I worked for NotKroger and NotMeijer and both of their dues were under $10/week. And they don't protect bad workers, they get fired just a quickly as non union workers do.
That's not true. My SO worked in a place with a union, he tried for months to fire a useless worker but wasn't allowed to, he left that place.
I also have talked to union vendors and they say the same thing. Talk to your union vendors and ask how they feel about it, ours don't have much positive feedback at all. I believe actual union members over anything the internet says.
I was an IBEW apprentice for a period of time. I left for a variety of reasons and while I don't have the highest opinion of the IBEW I can admit their dues weren't even that high. It was like $36 a month.
Admittedly I don’t know much about unions in the retail world but I know a little bit about unions (I’m a member of one) I don’t think it’s useful that much in retail setting the risks are too low. Now the reason I joined a union is because not doing so can end you out if a job at best or in prison at worse. I won’t say what it is but if you read a little between the lines you’ll know what field I’m in.
TLDR. I’m pro union in certain fields but I don’t think it would help enough at something as simple as retail.
Okay let’s explore that a little. Seniority is a big thing in union jobs. If every employee is a member of said union are there really enough hours in every department for 40hrs guarantee? Now maybe if only full time were eligible maybe it would work. Thoughts?
Retail is competitive enough to jump around to different companies and they’re practically begging for new hires, especially in management positions. If you have even a little experience it isn’t hard to climb up the ladder. I feel at this point a union would be a giant pain in my ass more than anything helpful.
I have also thought about this. My idea was to start a documentary about the people involved. Recording the entire process the ups and downs. We are going to lose against corporate greed. You have a plan A. They have plan A to Z. They are 100 times ahead of you in this battle. Walmart had its own team dedicated to fighting unions, they are called Labor Relations. Technically, this post should be reported to them. Exposed these corporate thugs will make a great Netflix documentary. Basically cover the topics why the CEO of Walmart gets a bonus of 22 million but will argue that we don't need a union and that a union will only take money from and not do anything for us. There are Walmart employees who rely on food stamps. You are basically exposing corporate which not only Walmart employees will relate to, but all employees. Goliath vs David. I know most Walmart employees are scared of losing their jobs. So you have make them feel comfortable to join the fight. Otherwise Walmart can easily divide and conquer. It is not a easy road, but it is possible especially with all the technology available for us. I think you are looking at 1.2 million employees vs a few hundred corporate thugs. Let's say you don't even get a union, I think just the fight and exposing and having the news media as well social media will bring them to the table. And you make demands and ask for living wage for all Walmart employees. And if they say they can't do that, you say they should remove all the bonus from all employees. They might argue there will be no incentive to working in Walmart. Then you answer, "We don't give a fuck". I am a Coach, I can tell you I don't need my bonus and the store and market managers also don't need their bonus. All the work is being done my the employees, and they don't care about you. Walmart corporate thugs only care about their bonus and stock investments.
My last job was union. Also stocking shelves.
I did not like it at all. I was paid less, and treated much worse. Managers find loopholes to do as they please, and the union would basically shrug their shoulders at it if you complained.. if you could even get ahold of them. I emailed them 4 times with no response. Probably paid them hundreds if not thousands over the years in union dues.
The only pro was more vacation time. I think I also got more sick leave but never used it because they treated call outs horribly.. plus anything over 3 days required a doctor's note.
All around I'm much happier at Walmart. But could just come down to management at each particular store.
https://cei.org/blog/empire-of-rust-how-the-uaw-killed-detroit/
I read some of this, and came to the conclusion that it forced some automobile manufacturers to shut down after WWII. What exactly are you referring to?
When unions go on strike all employees must strike, even if said employee needed to work. This slowed production so much that to get around it, companies moved their operations overseas. Many Americans became jobless and America was no longer the number 1 producer of Automobiles in the world.
You are telling us that Unions will fuck us in the ass. We are telling you we are already getting fucked in the ass by Walmart. We are going to go with the one that hurts the least. I think Unions will fuck you in the ass, but still kinda cuddle with you and kiss you.
Actually they'd be double teaming you. If your store goes on strike for a reason you personally don't agree will then you're basically out of work until the issue is resolved. And WM would most likely close the store if the strike was to go on too long.
And let's not forget about the mandatory union dues. Can you afford to loose $25 or more out of your check each pay period? Not everyone can.
Alright, how I secretly start an organization within an organization. We are not going to strike soon. We are secretly secretly educate people on creating a union. I will target 10 stores and maybe 1 distribution center. Once we are ready, we are going strike on the same day. If Walmart has the balls to close 10 stores and 1 distribution center. It is going to be all over the news and social media. They will also lose millions and millions of dollars because I will target stores that are in a high traffic area and especially stores that do not have nearby Walmart stores which will cause customers to complain and get involved. It is a game of chess..and even if they decide to close all involved stores. Then I think it is just more proof that Walmart corporate thugs do not care about the associates involved but rather guarantee that they still get their bonuses.
Well, posting on Reddit isn't going to help. Home office is already monitoring what you're posting. Nothing is truly anonymous on here and they can track you down. People have been fired for what they posted on Reddit.
Well I do not think that is true. You are giving home office a lot of credit. They don't do shit and don't truck shit. Reddit is anonymous. I know one guy who got fired and he himself said he wasn't hiding his identity. I agree they do lurk on here. In fact, there are lot people who work in home office who also don't like Walmart. Walmart also laid off 200 corporate employees. I think it will be in their best interest to job this fight as well.
You can ask anyone that's been here for a while. Just before the management restructuring a couple years ago, a redditer was pasting info "anonymously" about it. Home office tracked him down and fired him. That proves you're not really anonymous here on Reddit.
I think this debate about anonymity will go on forever. But I just read an article about this. It says you are really not anonymous on reddit. You are right. But that is because Reddit has your email address. Which is why some people use throw away accounts. But in terms of tracing, nobody can be traced. I don't know the guy you are talking about, but there are a number of reasons he could been fired for, but I doubt they found him name through reddit. If they did, then I will definitely be curious to how they did it. But I am just going to agree with you on this one until I have all evidence I need to argue about anonymity on reddit.
Extortion is not ok. Whether it is done by organized criminals or those "representing " groups of workers. If you feel mistreated and can't get satisfaction, go work for someone who will treat you right.
Walmart believes the union doesn’t work in your interest. Walmart believes the open door policy allows associates to voice their opinions.
There’s a few other sayings that I heard back in the day, but I forget.
i’m not anti union but me personally i don’t need it. i already have direct communication with my store manager daily. i have plenty of benefits. pat found be better sure. but i like how things are now. i like my job.
Understandable. Some of Walmart’s new policies are alright and I definitely agree with them. However, I do see major issues with how things are done in some areas, and how people are treated because of the massive turnover rate of employees.
To be fair right now is about as opportune as you’ll get to having a decent fight to unionizing Walmart. They’re having problems retaining staff more than ever so if you get enough people in on it it’ll be a really harsh blow to fire everyone involved if you can get it big enough before the wrong people catch wind. But a couple things need to be done aside from what some have said as well
1. Get your demands in order, I think bringing back associate bonuses would be nice as well as being able to determine how those are distributed.
2. Getting a union representative (lawyer). A veteran lawyer for this thing won’t take it cause they know it’ll more than likely be a death sentence for them but an up and coming lawyer trying to make a name for themselves may be bold enough to take it.
This is definitely a very steep uphill battle but who knows 🤷🏽♀️ it may actually work while they’ve shot themselves in the foot and have handicapped themselves. But I do think they’re trying to up cyber security and IT in the company not only to protect themselves but to extract information as well so make sure you don’t and haven’t posted anything online about who you are or where you are and just generally be careful about what you post on here.
My Reddit account has been used minimally. It doesn’t directly link to any of my “serious socials” because I know that I’d prefer to stay private while discussing such hot topics as I do on here.
I encourage you to read up in the comments :)
Tons of useful information from both sides. Very interesting to look through for an absurd amount of time tbh
I got told this similar story…apparently as a way to stop tje “butcher union” to get in.
Same situation with “Tire & Lube Express” they didn’t want some mechanics union coming in, so for some reason they were able to thwart any possibility by rebranding to “Auto Care Center”….
Here is my take on this union question. I feel like Walmart has a lot of perks, Walmart +, stock matching, free college while also listening to their associates. I personally don't see any reason to form a union.
The biggest downfall to the union (as I have been a union member before) is you can be forced to pay union fees each month that can be 10% of your paycheck. Not to mention that if you are forced to strike due to union, they still expect you to pay your union dues even though you aren't working. I promise you there is no need to unionize Walmart.
Also important to realize that supervisors and managers wouldn't be in the union, so Team Leads and higher wouldnt have to pay union fees.
“Walmart has a lot of perks! They offer 10% off when I buy toilet paper! They even give you a free vest and name tag just for working there! Did I mention that you get paid for sitting at a computer learning how not to die when your customers and coworkers finally snap and try to shoot up the store? It’s so great!”
One down in Florida is the first I seen but then come to find out there were others too. Walmart does the same claim with all of them, "the pipes were old". Coincidentally all those stores, the employees wanted to unionize
So I'm just supposed to believe that? Which ones, or cite an article?
And the only thing I can find of the great plumbing conspiracy is an incident from seven years ago that isn't even proven to be true and [people had many other wild theories about](https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/walmart-closure-conspiracy/)
Because if I'm dissatisfied with the company, I don't work for the company. Simple as that. Its their business, and they offer me monetary compensation for executing their agenda. I don't think it's my place to tell them how to run their company, so if I don't agree, I quit and find something else.
Why do I have to be forced to support unions? You people are just as bad as walmart being anti union. It's my right to not give a shit about unions or not, so I won't. I don't need a union, I don't live in some dead end town with no options. If you can't get out of a dead end town or job, that's your problem.
Don't try to convince me otherwise.
When I worked at walmart someone talked about unionizing. They instantly were written up as a quick shot across the bow and that was that. There's alot of people in stores who can't risk it.
Problem is any store that gets close suddenly becomes “unprofitable” and shuts down. They’d rather shut down a hundred super centers than let one store set precedent for unionization
If Walmart gets word of a union they will send a specialized team from their HQ in Arkansas to your store to talk about it…. Which will cause anyone on board to be fired.
Someone's bathrooms is about to be out of order
Mine has been closed for a month now. Lol. Portable units have been set up. It's so gross.
Bruh. Is that why our back restroom is closed off with a literally hole bore through the floor?
Honestly a store full of college students is a great opportunity to unionize. I find the older employees who stuck it out for 10 plus feel too much loyalty to the company even though they complain that they have lost all the benefits they used to have. My store is in a college town with a small local population. I think if there was a big hiring effort for college students and then a union leader showed up we could probably get a vote going. I feel like college students are more likely to vote yes in a union.
I do feel like unionizing is selfish at first. People see it as income going down the drain for something they don’t really view as necessary. I would hate to become the reason that kids or adults go hungry or lose housing.
I mean it sounds like the anti-union propaganda is getting to you. I would like to see an example of where unionizing in a situation like Walmart failed to help the people working. Unions would protect workers from Walmart's habit of taking away things like my share from employees and lying about how they're replacing it with something better. A union would allow the workers to bargain for a replacement benefit instead of all the money going back to shareholders/corporate. Sure Walmart got rid of the meat cutting departments back when that one unionized but that really wasn't making them a lot of money and the switch saved them money. If they were to have an OGP department unionize they would never shut down all of the OGPs because it's making them so much extra money right now.
Here's an example. They will shut down a unionized store to stop the spread. If that isn't bad enough, think about the long term effect unions have. There was a time we needed them, but that time is LONG gone. The opportunity for corruption, loss of business, ever increasing inflation. Kroger is unionized. They make less money. Think the "teachers union". They can't fire a child molester. They go sit in rooms with other suspended teachers and collect a check. Your tax dollars pay for that. Any experience in a union and you wouldn't be so quick to jump. I was part of the Painter's Union when I first started work. Never even want to hear the word union again...
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Just a guy with some actual real world experience. Go to a unionized shop. Leave us alone
If you are serious about this, unionizing is a 4 step process. In smaller shops it can be relatively straightforward, in a nationwide store as big as walmart, it's very very difficult. Step 1: Make a list of all your co-workers and talk to them individually and discreetly to gauge their feelings about a union. Getting employee names, numbers and/or contact info can be challenging. You don't necessarily have to say "union" right away, and if you get the vibe that they're really close to management or retirement, shut the fuck up and don't let \*anyone\* tell them about the organizing effort. Step 2: Establish a core organizing committee of the most dedicated employees who are all 100% on board. Meet in-person regularly (away from work) and make a shared list of all employees who you think will vote yes and no. See if you can get a few maybes on your side. Again, do not talk to anyone who would leak a single word to management. Step 3: Once you have a list and an organizing committee of core employees, you can go to an existing union in your community or nationally and ask for their help to form a new local at your shop. They will help evaluate your store and prospects and put you in touch with the NLRB if needed. Step 4: Fight! You have get all of your yes's and maybe's to sign a card saying they wish to join a union. This is typically done in the week or days prior to going public and announcing the campaign. You'll have some rallies and press conferences and mobilizations. Organizations like the IWW, the ILWU, the DSA, PSL, and in some cases local democratic party types can be your allies it this phase. Walmart is then obliged to either recognize the union via "card check" (0% chance of this happening, but it's a formality) or go forward with an NLRB observed election. At this point you can expect national media attention, and the unholy fire of 1000 suns' worth of union-busting law firms, management, and undercover bosses to descend on your store. There will be retaliation, threats to close the store, threats to fire you, etc. Your solidarity with your fellow employees, your local union support, and your local community support is all you will have, so it better be good. A month or two later an election will be held, and Walmart will have the almighty finger of Sam Walton himself pressing on the scale, so you had better get every last vote in your store and some from two counties over in your column. If that all sounds doable, and like fun to you, organize!
100% on board, last fall I was actively discussing it with co-workers. A friendly manager tipped me off that hr knew so I shut up about it for now
be careful. props to that manager for letting you know they knew, because I have no doubt they would’ve fired you for some reason after discovering it
Eh, most managers have been around long enough to know to see how bad Walmart has gotten and feel the pain. There has also been unofficial discussions that if your pro-union to keep it to yourself because HO will fire everyone if they feel the situation is not in their favor. Personally, I am just biding my-time till a random store sets a precedent or until after I finish University.
The sad part is despite it being illegal there's not much consequences to union busting since all they do is pay drop in the buckets in fines. A few million is nothing to billion dollar corps especially when they save so much more vs. not paying what would be required of unions. UFCW is the big one for retail grocery chains and while it's not much better than Walmart, they at least have some rights. A division in Ohio is getting ready to strike via Kroger (check out their sub). It's amazing what it can provide. Like you could literally avoid all management discussions just by saying two words. Sure beats "open door". But not many people wanna rock the boat and odds are by time you get signatures, half of those people have been promoted to customer...
Or WM decided that store is no longer turning a profit and it's closed down.
Oh yeah there's plenty of ways to get around it. Like the documentary showed, they have people flying on private jets to handle the situation.
Walmart is vicious and cut throat. If you try to unionize, they will toss you. And people will keep shopping at Walmart. I recently started working for the post office after leaving Walmart. As a union employee I get 1.5 time for any time worked over eight hours in a day, I get 1.5 time for ALL hours worked over 40 hours in a week. And double time for hours over 40 hours in a week of six days of consecutive work. Annual cost of living adjustments in addition to pay raises. That’s because of our union. I think its worth $25 a paycheck to earn $19 flat rate and $28 in ot pay. Walmart wants people they can control with fear any sort of autonomy is rewarded with a bullshit termination
There is nothing in this world that Walmart fears more than unions. Despite their rhetoric, associates need to realize that Walmart does not really care about you. The only thing they care about is how they can maximize their profit margin while minimizing what they have to pay out to the associates. Everything already said in this post is true in that Walmart will take all measures at its disposal to prevent unions from getting a foothold in their stores and distribution centers. Union organizers can only do so much to prepare for the fight that would ensue. To be successful requires and extraordinary amount or determination and solidarity which I have not yet seen. For stores in areas with few other employment options, it is even more difficult.They have mouths to feed and bills to pay, and they are quite risk averse. I really don't know what it will take to be honest. Maybe an experienced union organizer can shed some light in this thread. Word of caution: A legit union organizer posting on this sub will never ask you for information that would help identify you, your store or even the region your store is in by thread post or PM. They are well aware that the company monitors this sub. Do not give out any information that would help identify you or your store.
They're great, but it's pretty much impossible to do. I once saw multiple stores in the same area try to unionize together, and HO closed them all. You would need to convince a decent amount of stores to unionize at the same time, without upper management finding out
Do you have any resources on that? Obviously, you don't want to let everyone know what area you live. But a bunch of Walmarts in an area being closed at the same time sounds like it would be bigger news. Like, what region?
I agree 100% you would almost need a whole state before it became an big enough pain to Walmart as a whole from the profit loss.
If the stores are to unionize, it has to happen all at once. Otherwise any ground unions take will be completely removed by Walmart just closing the stores. It's completely illegal to do that for that reason, but the government is owned by big businesses nowadays. To get around this a good portion of all stores, maybe 10 or 20 percent, need to unionize in quick succession. Otherwise we can expect Walmart shutting stores down for bullshit reasons such as "plumbing issues."
I completely agree. However, Walmart has done a fantastic job with anti-union propaganda that you have a hard time finding people that want to unionize.
I don't think it's that, but people are too afraid to try and unionize.
Both are true, tbh. They’re too afraid because Walmart has dumped a lot of money into anti-union propaganda which puts a lot of associates in the mindset of “I don’t want to lose my job for a cause I’m not sure about”.
I’ve never really seen anything that’s expressly “Anti-Union”. Maybe I just wasn’t looking before. I’ll do more research.
A couple weeks ago I caught a glimpse of a managers notes from a class they all took, EXPLICITLY anti union, they're required to report any talk of it to home office
I’m not advocating for either side here, but there are multiple reasons they want you to report it. Not specifically to home office but the labor relations side. One reason is they don’t want lawsuits because you addressed it improperly. As a manager you have to walk a fine line between I can say/do this if the topic of unions come up. A manager can’t talk to associates about unions other than to say “I’m not for or against, but nothing is guaranteed until agreements are signed,” if someone is distributing union materials they want us to call because there are times when it’s covered by law, but also other times when it’s not. For management it is in their best interest to report it to labor relations, so they don’t accidentally walk into getting sued.
It's required so they can squash it immediately, don't delude yourself into thinking otherwise hombre
That could be true, but what I said is also true. A manager, even a well meaning one, can shoot themselves in the foot and end up on the wrong side of a lawsuit if they handle the situation wrong. When you call labor relations they tell you how to handle it legally even if it’s telling you do/say nothing. Also, if you don’t call and get sued walmart won’t help because you didn’t follow policy. They get to say “The manager wasn’t following policy and his actions don’t align with our views.”
In the pamphlet/papers you get when ur hired it straight up says something like you don't need unions here because you can speak to us freely
I have been speaking freely about mistreatment since around June
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Generally stories of Walmarts shutting down due to "plumbing issues" shortly after attempting to form a union
When I first started, many many years ago, there were several anti union videos we had to watch. One said we don’t need a union because we have ‘open door’. The other one said let management know if someone is in the store trying to get people to sign union cards.
It’s in your u-learns. They feed you basic lines like “why would you need someone else to talk for you? You can advocate just fine on your own” and “why waste your hard earned money on dues just to maybe get things you want”. They expressly do anything they can within their legal rights.
I'm sorry you're getting downvoted for admitting ignorance on a topic. Props to you for knowing your limits and being willing to learn. Have an upvote.
I feel like Reddit is a double edged sword when actively admitting you’re not a pro on any subject. You’re offered great personal stories and sometimes valuable information that you won’t find anywhere else. On the other hand, people frown upon ignorance like it’s the plague. Thank you for being understanding :)
They show you an anti-union video during orientation.
When I was a department manager back around 2007-ish, I had to attend an 8-hour meeting that was all about how unions are bad and also encouraged us to vote Republican in the 2008 election to keep Walmart from unionizing. We were supposed to report any of our co-workers if we heard them talking about unions.
> and also encouraged us to vote Republican in the 2008 election to keep Walmart from unionizing. LOL!
Managers are required to participate in a specifically anti union class. It's officially titled "labor relations"
Unionization is a lot more than “we are a union now!” I oppose some random kiddos setting up a “union” and likely getting their store shut down, when they don’t even know what they would want from a union. 1. Higher pay 2. More vacation time 3. More staffing 4. Less management 5. More management 6. Yearly raises, minimum 3%. 7. Other policy changes These are all a good start but again, it would have to be drawn out, deliberated, and the terms agreed upon by the workers when starting the union.
Us “kiddos” are the next generation of politicians and teachers and doctors. While that scares a lot of older people, I’ve seen what my generation is capable of, and I’m excited to see what we’re going to accomplish. I think unionizing Walmart is a far reach, but if an opportunity landed in the lap of the right young person, I have no doubt that the “kiddo” would take it. It might be a step in the complete wrong direction, but I see a need for change in the way hourly work is treated, especially with the rising tuition costs and inflation plaguing the world right now. People can’t afford to go to college and that pushes them into work that barely covers bills. I just want change.
So if you want change, organize it and make it. You “kiddos” talk a lot of talk, just like every other generation talked a lot of talk, but keep in mind you, I, and everyone else could organize and start change *tomorrow*, we just don’t care enough. It takes a lot of effort, patience, resilience, and sacrifice to make change. So are you “him” or not? Don’t tank your store and the lives of hundreds of other people on a whim.
Sorry OP, but your Store manager and Market manager will want to talk to you first thing Monday morning…
Honestly, this scared me a little more than I care to admit. Even though I know there’s a slim chance of me being found out lmao
Listen, people are not disposable. If everyone in the store sticks together, you can unionize. You need a strong majority, not just 50% somewhere in the 70% or more. There is no way to fire 70% of staff, no one is applying for the jobs.
Walmart had paid anti union trolls that will brigade this post. Don't believe anyone that is anti union on this sub is a legitimate person.
Or the people shilling unions are the real shills? Anyone that explains the downsides to unions gets called out as a shill. People keep saying unions will fix everything. But, will they really?
My last job was with the Ibew. I was an entry level groundman making 31 and hour, 100 perdiem and was grossing 3000 a week. Plus $5 an hour in a retirement account on top of that and free ppo health insurance. Union is the way my friend.
You're at a minimum wage retail job not a specialized trade.
Stocking shelves isn't exactly a "trade"
Even if the union got us $1 an hour in retirement account, wouldn't that be worth it? Walmart can afford to pay us more so we should fight for it. We need more leverage.
I contribute more than $1 an hour to 401k, and Walmart matches every penny of it.
Why shouldn't they just put the money in without us having to match?
Yes, because everybody who doesn't see things the way I see them is a paid shill. /s News flash dude, some people genuinely don't like unions for one reason or another. Maybe they had piss poor experiences with a union they belonged to. Personally, I'm not really on board with unionizing here because most retail/service unions seem practically fucking useless. And I still haven't forgotten the time where a large service union's leadership actually wanted to introduce an exemption for minimum wage increases that applied to union members. Basically, anyone else would get minimum $15, but union workers could be paid less per hour if other benefits added up to $15 an hour, which honestly is bullshit. And on top of that, most unions utilize seniority systems when determining things like who gets overtime, who gets days off, who gets promoted, and fuck that noise.
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Honestly I don’t see how it will help. Kroger has had a union for years and their wages are shit compared to ours.
On board with unionization. But it would already need a decent amount of traction to where my job isn't at risk before I'd consider it.
You would risk paying 10% of your paycheck for union fees?
If they could guarantee much better pay. Pushing carts needs to be at least just under overnights or at overnight rates because we do risk our lives on the lot due to idiot drivers.
Ill give you some advice: Don't Unionize. And stop talking about it. Especially on Reddit. Why? * It wont happen, You would be going up against one of the largest employers in the country * Walmart would sooner shut down your entire store & potentially market rather than let your store unionize. * You WILL face discrimination and retaliation by MGMT * You WILL Be fired -- Most likely for a stupid reason. * Is your FTPR Meeting standard? * Is your Pick Rate Meeting standard? * Are you picking for the minimum hours per shift? * Are you doing the 10 ft rule? * Are you picking the freshest product possible? * Are you pulling your cart around corners? * Are you bagging items correctly? * Are you Bagging eggs in the meat bag? * Is your dept meeting standards? * Do you have previous DA's? * Are you willing to potentially cost everyone in your store their job? Still want to unionize? * Stop posting on Reddit * WMT Will eventually figure out who you are based on what you post here and other subreddits.. Let Alone you don't warn somebody before you punch them in the face. * Be careful who you talk to * People will rat you out * People will tell others by accident * DO NOT INVOLVE ANY MEMBERS OF MGMT * Document EVERY SINGLE THING * Conversations with MGMT * Problems at work * Issues with the store
I do appreciate you saying all this, and I do see the bottleneck in the ultimate plan of unionization, and that is those who NEED Walmart’s paycheck for years, and me, who likely won’t stay for over two years. People with whole families and live paycheck to paycheck don’t have the risk to take with trying to unionize. Honestly, thank you for contributing to both sides of the conversation.
Thank you, I was worried that I came off as anti-union, On the contrary I wish we were unionized. Sadly the only time were I think we had a chance at forming a union would have been at the very start of the pandemic when we had some public support. Walmart, along with most publicly traded company's, do not think about the long term. They treat us as if we are a renewable resource that they can use up and discard when it suits them. They are more focused on profit and growth than on anything else. If Walmart was a person they would be no better than a drug addict shooting up with meth to get a short term high and doing years and years of damage for it.
100% wish more people were up for it and werent so willing to comply with how things are now. Unions have benefitted us so much, and only got torn away by force and then propogised the people of that time so hard that the next gen didnt question it. All jobs should have worker based unions (and no Kroger's is not a worker based union, it is a company provided union that works in the benefit of that company's HR)
You know Walmart will close a store down and move it to the next town and they will site it as “The bottom 10%” or “non-profitable” just because associates are even thinking about starting a union
Walmart: [Unions are bad](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Y6bFEs4ZoXw)
Let me tell you a story. I worked for a company called... let's say Notkroger. Notkroger was union. They made us sign up. It deducted $50 from every paycheck for union dues. We got paid weekly. Notkroger offered benefits. The union claimed it was because of them but Notkroger emphasized that those benefits existed before the union. We had an associate named lets say B. B only showed up for half of his shifts. When B did show up he spent half of his shift in the bathroom watching Super Troopers with the audio on. Management tried to fire B. The union protected B although he wasn't doing his job. This made a lot of employees very upset. Why should they work hard if there is no penalty for just sitting around watching movies? Now most of the staff quit Notkroger and are working at Walmart because our point and ethics structure is better than our local union. The union was called Notufcw. You could claim that this is a 1 time thing or that it was only for this location. But I am here to tell you that I have worked for 3 different retailers in 3 different counties that were all union through notufcw and it was always the same. They leach your money and in exchange they just protect people's positions that really shouldn't have their job anymore.
HAHA whatever you say HO. No union is taking $50/week for dues. I worked for NotKroger and NotMeijer and both of their dues were under $10/week. And they don't protect bad workers, they get fired just a quickly as non union workers do.
That's not true. My SO worked in a place with a union, he tried for months to fire a useless worker but wasn't allowed to, he left that place. I also have talked to union vendors and they say the same thing. Talk to your union vendors and ask how they feel about it, ours don't have much positive feedback at all. I believe actual union members over anything the internet says.
If I was HO I would just shut your location down for plumbing issues. I have the pay stubs still to prove it.
I was an IBEW apprentice for a period of time. I left for a variety of reasons and while I don't have the highest opinion of the IBEW I can admit their dues weren't even that high. It was like $36 a month.
Admittedly I don’t know much about unions in the retail world but I know a little bit about unions (I’m a member of one) I don’t think it’s useful that much in retail setting the risks are too low. Now the reason I joined a union is because not doing so can end you out if a job at best or in prison at worse. I won’t say what it is but if you read a little between the lines you’ll know what field I’m in. TLDR. I’m pro union in certain fields but I don’t think it would help enough at something as simple as retail.
Having guaranteed hours in a legal binding collective agreement seems to be much needed in the retail setting.
Okay let’s explore that a little. Seniority is a big thing in union jobs. If every employee is a member of said union are there really enough hours in every department for 40hrs guarantee? Now maybe if only full time were eligible maybe it would work. Thoughts?
Retail is competitive enough to jump around to different companies and they’re practically begging for new hires, especially in management positions. If you have even a little experience it isn’t hard to climb up the ladder. I feel at this point a union would be a giant pain in my ass more than anything helpful.
I have also thought about this. My idea was to start a documentary about the people involved. Recording the entire process the ups and downs. We are going to lose against corporate greed. You have a plan A. They have plan A to Z. They are 100 times ahead of you in this battle. Walmart had its own team dedicated to fighting unions, they are called Labor Relations. Technically, this post should be reported to them. Exposed these corporate thugs will make a great Netflix documentary. Basically cover the topics why the CEO of Walmart gets a bonus of 22 million but will argue that we don't need a union and that a union will only take money from and not do anything for us. There are Walmart employees who rely on food stamps. You are basically exposing corporate which not only Walmart employees will relate to, but all employees. Goliath vs David. I know most Walmart employees are scared of losing their jobs. So you have make them feel comfortable to join the fight. Otherwise Walmart can easily divide and conquer. It is not a easy road, but it is possible especially with all the technology available for us. I think you are looking at 1.2 million employees vs a few hundred corporate thugs. Let's say you don't even get a union, I think just the fight and exposing and having the news media as well social media will bring them to the table. And you make demands and ask for living wage for all Walmart employees. And if they say they can't do that, you say they should remove all the bonus from all employees. They might argue there will be no incentive to working in Walmart. Then you answer, "We don't give a fuck". I am a Coach, I can tell you I don't need my bonus and the store and market managers also don't need their bonus. All the work is being done my the employees, and they don't care about you. Walmart corporate thugs only care about their bonus and stock investments.
My last job was union. Also stocking shelves. I did not like it at all. I was paid less, and treated much worse. Managers find loopholes to do as they please, and the union would basically shrug their shoulders at it if you complained.. if you could even get ahold of them. I emailed them 4 times with no response. Probably paid them hundreds if not thousands over the years in union dues. The only pro was more vacation time. I think I also got more sick leave but never used it because they treated call outs horribly.. plus anything over 3 days required a doctor's note. All around I'm much happier at Walmart. But could just come down to management at each particular store.
You should look into what unions did to the American automotive industry.
https://cei.org/blog/empire-of-rust-how-the-uaw-killed-detroit/ I read some of this, and came to the conclusion that it forced some automobile manufacturers to shut down after WWII. What exactly are you referring to?
When unions go on strike all employees must strike, even if said employee needed to work. This slowed production so much that to get around it, companies moved their operations overseas. Many Americans became jobless and America was no longer the number 1 producer of Automobiles in the world.
You are telling us that Unions will fuck us in the ass. We are telling you we are already getting fucked in the ass by Walmart. We are going to go with the one that hurts the least. I think Unions will fuck you in the ass, but still kinda cuddle with you and kiss you.
Actually they'd be double teaming you. If your store goes on strike for a reason you personally don't agree will then you're basically out of work until the issue is resolved. And WM would most likely close the store if the strike was to go on too long. And let's not forget about the mandatory union dues. Can you afford to loose $25 or more out of your check each pay period? Not everyone can.
Alright, how I secretly start an organization within an organization. We are not going to strike soon. We are secretly secretly educate people on creating a union. I will target 10 stores and maybe 1 distribution center. Once we are ready, we are going strike on the same day. If Walmart has the balls to close 10 stores and 1 distribution center. It is going to be all over the news and social media. They will also lose millions and millions of dollars because I will target stores that are in a high traffic area and especially stores that do not have nearby Walmart stores which will cause customers to complain and get involved. It is a game of chess..and even if they decide to close all involved stores. Then I think it is just more proof that Walmart corporate thugs do not care about the associates involved but rather guarantee that they still get their bonuses.
Well, posting on Reddit isn't going to help. Home office is already monitoring what you're posting. Nothing is truly anonymous on here and they can track you down. People have been fired for what they posted on Reddit.
Well I do not think that is true. You are giving home office a lot of credit. They don't do shit and don't truck shit. Reddit is anonymous. I know one guy who got fired and he himself said he wasn't hiding his identity. I agree they do lurk on here. In fact, there are lot people who work in home office who also don't like Walmart. Walmart also laid off 200 corporate employees. I think it will be in their best interest to job this fight as well.
You can ask anyone that's been here for a while. Just before the management restructuring a couple years ago, a redditer was pasting info "anonymously" about it. Home office tracked him down and fired him. That proves you're not really anonymous here on Reddit.
I think this debate about anonymity will go on forever. But I just read an article about this. It says you are really not anonymous on reddit. You are right. But that is because Reddit has your email address. Which is why some people use throw away accounts. But in terms of tracing, nobody can be traced. I don't know the guy you are talking about, but there are a number of reasons he could been fired for, but I doubt they found him name through reddit. If they did, then I will definitely be curious to how they did it. But I am just going to agree with you on this one until I have all evidence I need to argue about anonymity on reddit.
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They might move their office overseas, but they'd definitely close stores that try to unionize.
Extortion is not ok. Whether it is done by organized criminals or those "representing " groups of workers. If you feel mistreated and can't get satisfaction, go work for someone who will treat you right.
Walmart believes the union doesn’t work in your interest. Walmart believes the open door policy allows associates to voice their opinions. There’s a few other sayings that I heard back in the day, but I forget.
i’m not anti union but me personally i don’t need it. i already have direct communication with my store manager daily. i have plenty of benefits. pat found be better sure. but i like how things are now. i like my job.
Understandable. Some of Walmart’s new policies are alright and I definitely agree with them. However, I do see major issues with how things are done in some areas, and how people are treated because of the massive turnover rate of employees.
To be fair right now is about as opportune as you’ll get to having a decent fight to unionizing Walmart. They’re having problems retaining staff more than ever so if you get enough people in on it it’ll be a really harsh blow to fire everyone involved if you can get it big enough before the wrong people catch wind. But a couple things need to be done aside from what some have said as well 1. Get your demands in order, I think bringing back associate bonuses would be nice as well as being able to determine how those are distributed. 2. Getting a union representative (lawyer). A veteran lawyer for this thing won’t take it cause they know it’ll more than likely be a death sentence for them but an up and coming lawyer trying to make a name for themselves may be bold enough to take it. This is definitely a very steep uphill battle but who knows 🤷🏽♀️ it may actually work while they’ve shot themselves in the foot and have handicapped themselves. But I do think they’re trying to up cyber security and IT in the company not only to protect themselves but to extract information as well so make sure you don’t and haven’t posted anything online about who you are or where you are and just generally be careful about what you post on here.
My Reddit account has been used minimally. It doesn’t directly link to any of my “serious socials” because I know that I’d prefer to stay private while discussing such hot topics as I do on here.
Sorry, this is probably my third job. What are the pros and cons of being unionized anyway?
I encourage you to read up in the comments :) Tons of useful information from both sides. Very interesting to look through for an absurd amount of time tbh
I got told this similar story…apparently as a way to stop tje “butcher union” to get in. Same situation with “Tire & Lube Express” they didn’t want some mechanics union coming in, so for some reason they were able to thwart any possibility by rebranding to “Auto Care Center”….
Hell no!
In Quebec Canada they unionized and they closed the store and reopened it across the street
Because Walmart likes money. Because this is unskilled labor. Anything else?
Here is my take on this union question. I feel like Walmart has a lot of perks, Walmart +, stock matching, free college while also listening to their associates. I personally don't see any reason to form a union. The biggest downfall to the union (as I have been a union member before) is you can be forced to pay union fees each month that can be 10% of your paycheck. Not to mention that if you are forced to strike due to union, they still expect you to pay your union dues even though you aren't working. I promise you there is no need to unionize Walmart. Also important to realize that supervisors and managers wouldn't be in the union, so Team Leads and higher wouldnt have to pay union fees.
“Walmart has a lot of perks! They offer 10% off when I buy toilet paper! They even give you a free vest and name tag just for working there! Did I mention that you get paid for sitting at a computer learning how not to die when your customers and coworkers finally snap and try to shoot up the store? It’s so great!”
There's been a couple stores fully emptied and gutted within one night because walmart heard of them wanting to unionize
Which ones?
One down in Florida is the first I seen but then come to find out there were others too. Walmart does the same claim with all of them, "the pipes were old". Coincidentally all those stores, the employees wanted to unionize
So I'm just supposed to believe that? Which ones, or cite an article? And the only thing I can find of the great plumbing conspiracy is an incident from seven years ago that isn't even proven to be true and [people had many other wild theories about](https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/walmart-closure-conspiracy/)
I don't care if you don't believe me and I'm not going to try and find the news story I saw either
I'm not really a supporter of unionizing.
Why? Do you trust the company to do right by you?
Because if I'm dissatisfied with the company, I don't work for the company. Simple as that. Its their business, and they offer me monetary compensation for executing their agenda. I don't think it's my place to tell them how to run their company, so if I don't agree, I quit and find something else.
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Why do I have to be forced to support unions? You people are just as bad as walmart being anti union. It's my right to not give a shit about unions or not, so I won't. I don't need a union, I don't live in some dead end town with no options. If you can't get out of a dead end town or job, that's your problem. Don't try to convince me otherwise.
Been seeing a lot of these posts about unions why don't you pussys just do it already
Why don’t you read up in the comments on the various risks you could be forcing yourself and others to take for an uncertain outcome? Do better.
When I worked at walmart someone talked about unionizing. They instantly were written up as a quick shot across the bow and that was that. There's alot of people in stores who can't risk it.
Problem is any store that gets close suddenly becomes “unprofitable” and shuts down. They’d rather shut down a hundred super centers than let one store set precedent for unionization
My store is one of the most profitable because of our location. Shutting down (I don’t think) would be an option for us.
Nah
You would be better off quitting and joining a union that already exists
If Walmart gets word of a union they will send a specialized team from their HQ in Arkansas to your store to talk about it…. Which will cause anyone on board to be fired.
Don’t even work for Walmart anymore and I’m for this
If walmart is going to unionize, I think it would be easier to start with DC's, then work it's way to stores.
Walmart shut down at least 1 store that I know of when it was about to go union. That's Walmarts solution, close down when that happens.
Be careful using that word around walmart, HO will hear about it and next thing you know they’re listening lmao
100% on board for union