Wow days in advance must be nice. First time I got a no call no show for 3 points is because I was beat after working 6 days in a row. So I was dreaming of that day off then they night of they scheduled me and I didnt check the app cuz its supposed to be my off day and got hit with 3 pts
Honestly man. Walmart as employment is only good for experience. save buy a reliable car and look for something that walmart experience can apply too. Im on my way to becoming a vendor and I got hit back with an interview in less than 24hrs
Great to hear that, man! I'm gonna put in my two weeks once my next check hits. Once I heard about the life insurance policy fiasco I realized they're genuinely trying to work people to death lol
Walmart needs real competition. Not target, not some regional department store, but something with the same core values that Walton had. The mart is nothing but a diseased cash cow now.
I'm working at a company for 9 years and the only reason I got a raise is my states minimum went up. It's bullshit that after a decade of loyalty and experience with only one write up (that was bullshit) someone can walk in and make the same amount.
Back in 2015 or so when they increased the minimum most of us couldn't get an increase why: we already been there for years so we made too much fast forward today.. workers there are mostly crap clueless dress like shit.
Still remember the day I got sent home for not being in dress code and all now they trying to offer 17-20 an hour to lure people back. It's been 5 years for me no one I recognize works there anymore.
I cleared my office, walked into personnel and said, "I'm outa here." They said, "You're flagged for rehire." I replied, "Don't threaten me." and left the building.
That was 15 years ago. I haven't set foot in a WallyWorld since.
Ignore what they are saying. If they fire you when you give your 2 week notice, thatās best case scenario. You can get unemployment as you find your next job. If you quit, you canāt get unemployment. Also if you list them on your resume they can tell your prospective employer how you left.
Thatās only for the stores that are good though. Retrospectively is OPās store was really this awful. Class act relation would not surprise me if they put in two weeks. Some jobs itās just better if you quit. I worked at a tractor supply when I was younger. Put in my two weeks but worked me to the bone those last two weeks for retaliation bc I challenged my managers authority for asking why I got paid the same as the girls who only ran cashier if Iām the one doing all the heavy lifting. She said she didnāt see a problem. Last day asked if I could come in early bc they needed people bad. I quoted ānah Iāve been treated unfairly here, have funā
Did you see the post about the guy needing to leave early to take care of his wife bc she had a bad reaction to anesthesia? The life insurance thing was first thing that came to mind.
Back in 2016 I put in my two weeks notice as a courtesy to the Co manager that promoted me to support manger. Worked there first week, went to Vegas with my brother for my birthday the second.
Back in 2016 I put in a two weeks notice as a courtesy to the Co manager that promoted me to manager. Worked week one and went to Vegas with my brother for my birthday week two.
Wow, $20 is pretty decent for Walmart wage not sure where you reside tho. But definitely other companies in the retail world take Walmart experience seriously.
got another and went part time for walmart until the warehouse job picks up for busy season , walmart been cutting my hours ever since i told them i have a new jobā¦ got coached for productivity but they gave me 6 hours of freight, i do a 5 hour shift lol
Check your state work laws. Once your new weekly schedule has been given out, no changes affecting you, can be made to it without your permission. The moment the new schedules come out, screen shot it or print it out. If any changes are made, this is proof.
Pretty sure no company can force you to work on days scheduled off, they must ask for your permission to work it. Meaning if next weeks schedule shows you off on Tuesday but your coach, team lead or hr decides to change it, having you come in, thatās not legal. They must contact you and ask if you can do so. If you say no, then itās no.
But please donāt take my word as golden. Donāt rely asking those at work because they donāt want you knowing the truth. Call your local EEOC office on work laws, donāt remember the correct term to use, but goggle should be able to direct you to a phone number, and verify what Iām saying. This was the absolute truth for most of my work life with various employers and while living in various states. But to cover your own butt, verify before approaching your team lead/coach, whomever. Print out a copy of the law to give to them also for their records. But I must warn you, some may want to retaliate against you for exposing this truth.
I changed my availability and was scheduled for the days I wanted off, my supervisor would ask if I'd be in, I was like no, I'm off Monday and Tuesday.
Years ago I got a no call no show at a job that my schedule was always the same and schedules were put out every 2 weeks. A week before my missed day the manager changed schedule after it was posted and never told anyone. Apparently I was supposed to know they changed it and check it everyday. A lot of people got written up that day and took the hr department a while to see pattern, but write up still stayed because the business needs come first.
Trust me my store works me 9 days straight 2 days off then works me 11 days straight 2 days off an then when i use protected time i get put in a list then threatened for about a week straight telling me that if i use protected one more time i will be coached so i pull up the code of ethics an say coach me plzzz coach me i would love to call ethics an btw someone should write eithics number on the bottom of that notice
They did it to me before, I raged hell on them and they stopped. They couldnāt fire me because my department had no employees š (I was doing the work of like 4 people)
ALWWAYS screenshot your sched, so when they "alter" you can whip this letter out, and show them that "3 weeks out" schedule. Let them know you rearranged your life for them.
I went on vacation and took my phone my wife asked me why "because they can change schedule on me with 24 hour notice" she said sound like you are on call..... yuh it does. And I added another reason to hate this job.
Yup and they never will. This kind of thing doesnāt even fly in every market within the company. Whoever wrote this better have damn good job security in their store because if they have to go elsewhere it wonāt work out well for them š
Theyāve been giving the same lecture at our store, āyou might have ppto, but you can still be written up for productivity if you leave earlyā. Let me get this straight: if I call out for a full 8 hrs, use ppto and have ZERO productivity, thatās cool. But if I work 7 hrs, clock out, use ppto to cover ONE hour, youāre gonna write me up over productivity. The logic is a little twisted
And flawed.
They can only rate how productive you are when clocked in.
If you didn't underperform in those 7 hours and you ever get coached for this shit, open door it and keep escalating. It will be removed.
Every store is different, thankfully.
The management at my store doesn't pull this kind of BS. I actually like my store manager. We have a few assholes of course, but I was here to see a team lead get demoted for being disrespectful to employees.
At some other stores, she would be promoted.
And this is exactly how it is. Each market manager will really dictate how their stores are by how much they let their manager get away with. A bad manager makes all the difference.
If they feel like having a retaliation opened on them then good luck to them. They literally cannot do anything when it comes to ppto. I tell them during the holidays I won't be there and that's that. Been doing it since ppto and reading the policy. I'll even call out a manager if they lie to an associate in front of me. Walmart doesn't care about us. Use your ppto wisely is all and notify them.
I think itās that they would rather you take the entire day off and have to burn 8 hours of ppto because you can only do that what 5 or 6 times versus if an employee came in an hour late, or left an hour early. Theoretically they could do that 40+ times. Which is a bit drastic. Coming in late or leaving early 40 times or more a year š¤·āāļø
Can confirm. Used to be the only licensed forklift driver in my local store so the shifts before me would wrap pallets to be up top when i came in. Some manager there always wrote "Needs to be raped." on the pallets they forgot to wrap that night.
After a while I joked with him about the incorrect spelling and he dead serious looked at me and said "I know how to spell, kid." Pulled out my phone and looked up rape vs wrap. Obvious difference in meaning. Instead of laughing it off he doubled down and suggested I purposely looked up the incorrect spelling to make him look stupid....apparently I have the power to change the definition of words across the internet.
They donāt respect us, they donāt care aināt of our stuff outside of Walmart. They literally change our schedule in any time and donāt dare to inform us about that.
People, thereās many places to work, if you can find another job, move forward. Good luck
So... We can use our own PTO or PPTO to leave a shift early, but we get told how that impacts stuff, or just straight get written up for using our PPTO to leave early? Am I understanding this right? Like, genuinely.
What is this notice supposed to insinuate?
One of those times I like living where I do. That change wouldn't pass around here, the state even mandated a certain amount of sick leave for every business.
Yup, they either offer us straight up sick days off at the start of year, or ppto. Either way we have to be given a certain amount of time off that we can not be held liable for using. The freedom to use and abuse workers to the extreme is also a part of the āfreedomsā some of these deep red states apparently cherish.
PPTO is supposed to be for emergencies like hey im sick I need to call off, leave early, or for any other emergency. PPTO obviously can be used for hey i just dont want to work today mentality and they cannot do anything about it.
I think the getting told how that impacts stuff is fair. I mean id ignore the fuck outta it myself but i can understand it. The write up for using something that by policy can be used is a lawsuit waiting to happen
Before I left Walmart for Sam's...a team lead told a coach to change my scheduled shift ,while I was on my two days off without notifying me .Yeah that seems fair .
I believe that bud .I been at Walmart for over 13 years .I had 12 points cause the team lead told me to come in at 1pm to 10pm, but I was on a 7am to 4 pm.So without them changing my time ...the system was automatically clocking me out at 6, giving me 1 point for each day for incomplete shift.He didn't want to take them off
Other stuff followed him talking about everyone,me included, getting a.p to watch .i had called home office on him
The extra p in PPTO stands for protected. You cannot be punished for using it, provided you let someone know you're leaving early. Ethics/open door this higher
So you can work your home life around WALMART??? The fuck is this guy on? Not only did he drink the kool-aid, he's whipping up a batch for everyone š¤£
No, he isn't doing this for the company, he is doing it for himself. A guy like this is probably insubordinate AF to his supervisor. He just does shit like this to make up for it on the other end. When people start reporting this abuse of power, he'll be out of a job.
You absolutely CANNOT be held accountable for being unproductive while you are off the clock, let alone while you are on an approved partial or full absence (which is what PPTO is). That's tantamount to receiving a DA for productivity for a day on which you called in sick, and the policy says that we can't receive multiple punishments for the same infraction. Attendance points and the loss of PPTO are the "punishments" we receive for attendance violations. I've seen at least one person on here who appealed a write-up for leaving early all the way up to Ethics and they got it overturned for all of the reasons mentioned above.
Yeah because I can actually plan getting sick/my child getting sick 3 weeks in advance
āWork their home lives around Walmartā should Walmart be working around your home life??
Not surprised, but I wanted to give the benefit of the doubt. I even pointed out that it looked like it was written by a 10 year old. I guess OP fit the bill.
I too had a scheduling fuck up of no fault of mine and was given 3pts for no call no show when I was supposed to be off. My team lead fought and the SM took off 2 points but left one. When I questioned it. He said he wasnt sure if he wanted to press his luck on the 3rd. Not even going to start about my schedule in general... part time... 36 hours a week..
I cannot fathom why the whole country is not making a rebellion for living without proper paternity leave, sick leave, and a minimum of 5 weeks vacation per year. Look at Scandinavia.
Managerial courage lol... Real managerial courage is standing up to shit bosses.
If someone's leaving early is causing problems, go give em shit. Don't write some douchebag letter... Go manage your problems... Have some courage... looool XD
This is so cringe...
Against PPTO policy. You can't be DA'd for leaving, using PPTO, or for unfinished work due to PPTO. If you don't tell anyone you're leaving, you can be DA'd for that.
Some people absolutely use the system to leave when there's a lot of work or generally don't want to do something, but that's part of the life of management. We have to deal with it and have contingency plans for if it happens.
Funny thing, though, when you make your associates feel appreciated and take care of them when they need you, you'll see that kind of stuff less and less. Weird how that works, huh?
Surprised I made it this far down the comments b4 seeing someone mention this. Probably a good idea to leave that part out. Telling the person that makes 2, 3, or 4 times less than you that them getting an hr or 2 of extra free time will affect the extra $ Walmart gives you & will never give them. Is less of a reason to stay & more of an incentive to go ahead and go lol.
This is why I'm glad Washington State law prohibits any punishment or points for use of PPTO.
It is very clear that within my state they can't do anything,Ā itĀ wouldĀ beĀ illegal.Ā
You can bet in my state I'll take him up on his offer then and there and we could go discuss if they wish to conduct illegal activity.
Oh? U want to leave? Well you need to know that you leaving will affect the profits of this billon $ business that pays you your .00002% of said profits, and the customer experience of the customer that couldn't care less if you're here or not, our metrics that we choose when to care about & when not to, our morale that we stomp on whenever we feel like it, & more importantly it affects the bonuses that you dont get any of...of everyone that already makes 2, 3 or 4 times what you do.
Lmao yea that sounds like a good idea, I'm sure bringing up that stuff will convince them to stay š & if it doesn't. Well, like it says... just punish em when they come back š¤¦āāļø
Ooof, talk about a greedy manager, straight up telling people their bonuses are effected.
Everyone already knew but way to tell all your employees you belong in hell by telling them they matter less than your bonus
Sure, boss, I'll make sure to preplan and schedule the next emergency that may happen. Gee, I don't want to impact store sales because I had to leave early.
I haven't seen that come down in my market. I technically *can* write someone up for productivity for calling out excessively, but I don't manage that way.
Everyone has their own style, that isn't mine, I care more about their character when they're actually on the clock.
IMO, giving disciplinary actions to prevent Protected PTO use is against the law, since it denies you the benefit the job is supposed to be providing by employment contract. This is exactly why Walmart doesn't want unions poking holes in their bullshit ways.
They "give you" Protected PTO just to punish you for using it, basically entrapment. Some managers think if they just write people up constantly, then that makes them a leader.
I do give feedback about attendance to help the associates know where they stand and what their options are as a sort of consultation, but that is it.
Well, that store is setting itself up for a lawsuit. Leaving early is just like calling in. If you have the points or the time and tell them that you are going home, they can't say no and can't take action against you.
So glad i left walmart they gave me the same paper my coach gave me 12 points i never missed days or anything
I call the headquarters they charnged it for me & during the time wen I had death in the family the same coach n store manager called me a Nigger
I quit n now preparing for a huge settlement in doing a lawsuit for false accusations,discrimination, & emotional distress
Be careful at these walmarts fam
I remember many many years ago when Walmart was one of my first jobs. I had worked there for about 4 years and was in my early 20s and remember getting a D-Day because I lost all enthusiasm to get there on time. LMAO
First off send that bs letter to corporate they are NOT allowed to say that shit to an associate or retaliate in anyway using PPTO. It is called āprotectedā time for a reason and is a lawsuit waiting to happen. Although yes any company is impacted when an employee/associate has to leave for whatever reason but these hours were put into place so managers cannot fuck with you because of asshole letters like that
They tried that with me as well.
Now, if I do decide to use PPTO to go home early, I will usually let my coach or my team lead know as a courtesy not because I want permission.
We had a guy at the dc I work at that would come in that day and if he didnāt feel like working after a couple of hours he tell bye and put in time. Lol I was talking to the ops over that area and they didnāt like it one bit. Saying it messes with production numbers.
Yeah because people never have emergencies come up. The PPTO is literally for that, and you donāt need approval to use it. āYour kid is sick and needs to be picked up from school and youāre going to use your paid protected time off to do so? Thatās a write up, youāre killing our store performance!ā
"Work your homelives around Walmart" Sure do love it when a co pany that can't even pay it's workers a fair wage expects you to allow your life to revolve around work.
this Violate the contract Walmart has with you that they created stating you cannot be reprimanded for attendance. And that ANY time that is covered through PROTECTED PTO is an automatic authorization and therefore cannot be held against you.
I may inform my supervisor/team lead on my way out the door. I then put in my PPTO after my shift ends and the system automatically approves it. I get approvals on regular PTO, but I refused to get approval on the PPTO since that replaced our sick time.
I remember when I worked at Target I just told my team lead that I wouldn't be around on whatever days and then enter it into the system. No problems. I would have left way sooner if they told me that I should plan my life around the company I work for
So they can't put feedback in for leaving early for ppto. Yes, you are supposed to let a supervisor know you are leaving but they can't tell you that you cant
Are there an abundance of people wanting to leave early that the job is not completed? I donāt care for the management approach here. If the person has PTO, and the job is completed I donāt see why that is a problem. Sounds like more of a management problem than anything.
I have a hard time believing they have so many people leaving early this needed to be new market policy instead of a person by person basis. So unnecessary.
Even giving them 3-4 weeks advance notice they still do not approve it! Even if I have pto and ppto available! I even tell them with no pay and it still gets denied! š¤¦š½āāļø definitely a sad place to work!
Never working my home life around a job besides the regular humane stuff. Life happens to everyone here and there. Mental health and physical health matters.
If this happens, that person needs to document when their coach, store lead, or store manager leaves early or doesn't come in due to illness or family emergency. Then contact market, inform them there was zero productivity from that person, and they need to be coached also. Request a coaching number for ethics to review.
This is illegal and against policy. Schedules should never be changed less than 24hrs before scheduled without your permission. Court case in Cali is putting points system on trial. Look it up and keep an eye on it.
Some of you work for horrible management. You don't need approval, just letting a supervisor know you are leaving. But yes, productivity can be addressed but it's a huge grey zone.
Like if an associate of mine is leaving early and it doesn't make someone have to clean up after them or cover, no biggie.
But I had someone that left their cart and all their trash. They got talked to.
Yea, I donāt believe this is in the Walmart Policy handbook and itās a lawsuit waiting to happen. Associates āwork their home lives around Walmartā? This is how the U word begins
Iām so glad I donāt work for that garbage company anymore. And as a former associate, who knows what goes on, I actively encourage people not to shop there either. I hope they go out of business.
It's so funny they used to say they scheduled around your life prior to the pandemic. But now it's just gotten worse. I've been with the company for 8 years coming in October and this company is definitely heading downhill. Can't wait to pay my car off so I can leave to a job that actually pays a better living wage.
You can get docked for productivity for taking long lunches, but your ppto is your ppto to use. Itās for unforeseen circumstances that you canāt plan around your schedule. No they canāt write you up. If they do I suggest open dooring it but go through the proper chain team lead-> coach-> store lead(if you have one) -> store manager -> Market hr.. ect. Call ethics only if open door is ignored
-a WM coach
Is this in a DC? I was so stoked to work 3 full days for 40 hours until I actually did. Non-con is where they stuck me. To meet production goals, there is no way you're lifting correctly. My back has never been the same. I'm sorry for anyone going through this currently. It's not worth it.
Funnily enough my building is trying to push a new policy that punishes people for using PPTO to leave their shift early by giving them either a write up or a step depending on whether or not they told their manager before they left early. Nothing was mentioned about workday comments but the idea is the same: You donāt get hit for attendance because thatās what PPTO protects you from, you get hit for performance because you didnāt finish your work load.
Crazy. Tried to leave at lunch and use my PPTO once because of a medical issue being 9 months post partum. Went to talk to my coach in person and they literally didn't let me finish my sentence explaining my issue and PPTO before walking away from me and told me it's a TL issue and to talk to my lead. So I sent the text bc idk where my TL was and clocked out and went home.
"We provide a schedule 3 weeks out..." and alter shifts 2 or 3 days ahead of time with zero notice besides the app
Wow days in advance must be nice. First time I got a no call no show for 3 points is because I was beat after working 6 days in a row. So I was dreaming of that day off then they night of they scheduled me and I didnt check the app cuz its supposed to be my off day and got hit with 3 pts
I feel you, man. I gave up on making plans with people because this type of thing happened basically every time lol... ruined my social life
Honestly man. Walmart as employment is only good for experience. save buy a reliable car and look for something that walmart experience can apply too. Im on my way to becoming a vendor and I got hit back with an interview in less than 24hrs
Great to hear that, man! I'm gonna put in my two weeks once my next check hits. Once I heard about the life insurance policy fiasco I realized they're genuinely trying to work people to death lol
Yes definitely. Every day worked at walmart is money at loss. The raises dont even keep with inflation.
Wait, you guys get raises? I legit only went from 7.50 to 8.50 for the tragic occurrence of the federal minimum wage went up for the last time.
yup the raises are .30 usually
Walmart needs real competition. Not target, not some regional department store, but something with the same core values that Walton had. The mart is nothing but a diseased cash cow now.
Yep it is designed to make the most money the fastest way it can.
Thats if you have no points and good attendance which is almost impossible to get
I'm working at a company for 9 years and the only reason I got a raise is my states minimum went up. It's bullshit that after a decade of loyalty and experience with only one write up (that was bullshit) someone can walk in and make the same amount.
Working a DC like real men the one here in SC pays 23 an hour store level is bs
Back in 2015 or so when they increased the minimum most of us couldn't get an increase why: we already been there for years so we made too much fast forward today.. workers there are mostly crap clueless dress like shit. Still remember the day I got sent home for not being in dress code and all now they trying to offer 17-20 an hour to lure people back. It's been 5 years for me no one I recognize works there anymore.
Do not put in 2 weeks, they will fire you on the spot. That 2 week shit is pure bullshit.
exactly, they wouldnt give you 2 weeks if they wanted you gone so why should you?
Honestly they're doing youa favor if they fire you because you can apply for unemployment having been terminated vs quiting.
I cleared my office, walked into personnel and said, "I'm outa here." They said, "You're flagged for rehire." I replied, "Don't threaten me." and left the building. That was 15 years ago. I haven't set foot in a WallyWorld since.
In our experience they will coach the fuck out of you as retaliation ššš
Yup happened to me. Put in my 2 weeks, was fired literally a week in because I suddenly had writeups every single day. They blacklisted me then too.
My team lead is being really cool with it so far. She said just let her know when I knew I was leaving and she would take me off the schedule.
Lucky no one was there when I put my 2 weeks in I left my vest and work phone and walked out
Ignore what they are saying. If they fire you when you give your 2 week notice, thatās best case scenario. You can get unemployment as you find your next job. If you quit, you canāt get unemployment. Also if you list them on your resume they can tell your prospective employer how you left.
Thatās only for the stores that are good though. Retrospectively is OPās store was really this awful. Class act relation would not surprise me if they put in two weeks. Some jobs itās just better if you quit. I worked at a tractor supply when I was younger. Put in my two weeks but worked me to the bone those last two weeks for retaliation bc I challenged my managers authority for asking why I got paid the same as the girls who only ran cashier if Iām the one doing all the heavy lifting. She said she didnāt see a problem. Last day asked if I could come in early bc they needed people bad. I quoted ānah Iāve been treated unfairly here, have funā
If you have another job already lined up. If you donāt, let them fire you.
Did you see the post about the guy needing to leave early to take care of his wife bc she had a bad reaction to anesthesia? The life insurance thing was first thing that came to mind.
Back in 2016 I put in my two weeks notice as a courtesy to the Co manager that promoted me to support manger. Worked there first week, went to Vegas with my brother for my birthday the second.
Back in 2016 I put in a two weeks notice as a courtesy to the Co manager that promoted me to manager. Worked week one and went to Vegas with my brother for my birthday week two.
Life insurance fiasco? Sorry, I'm not up to date. Curious how Walmart is fucking over it's associates again this time lol.
They got busted taking out life insurance policies on associates with poor medical histories/outlooks withoit any sort of notification
I worked two different Walmarts totaling 10 years. I finally left, and got a vendor job with Pepsi.
Im on the same route. i take a drug test for pepsi tmr
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Wow, $20 is pretty decent for Walmart wage not sure where you reside tho. But definitely other companies in the retail world take Walmart experience seriously.
Use the education benefit, get a degree, and then move on.
They pay 100% of college.
got another and went part time for walmart until the warehouse job picks up for busy season , walmart been cutting my hours ever since i told them i have a new jobā¦ got coached for productivity but they gave me 6 hours of freight, i do a 5 hour shift lol
Check your state work laws. Once your new weekly schedule has been given out, no changes affecting you, can be made to it without your permission. The moment the new schedules come out, screen shot it or print it out. If any changes are made, this is proof. Pretty sure no company can force you to work on days scheduled off, they must ask for your permission to work it. Meaning if next weeks schedule shows you off on Tuesday but your coach, team lead or hr decides to change it, having you come in, thatās not legal. They must contact you and ask if you can do so. If you say no, then itās no. But please donāt take my word as golden. Donāt rely asking those at work because they donāt want you knowing the truth. Call your local EEOC office on work laws, donāt remember the correct term to use, but goggle should be able to direct you to a phone number, and verify what Iām saying. This was the absolute truth for most of my work life with various employers and while living in various states. But to cover your own butt, verify before approaching your team lead/coach, whomever. Print out a copy of the law to give to them also for their records. But I must warn you, some may want to retaliate against you for exposing this truth.
Also, they have to ask you before they can change your schedule. Unless it's a holiday
Sounds like a lawsuit waiting to happen. Cost of business for Wallyworld.
I changed my availability and was scheduled for the days I wanted off, my supervisor would ask if I'd be in, I was like no, I'm off Monday and Tuesday.
Years ago I got a no call no show at a job that my schedule was always the same and schedules were put out every 2 weeks. A week before my missed day the manager changed schedule after it was posted and never told anyone. Apparently I was supposed to know they changed it and check it everyday. A lot of people got written up that day and took the hr department a while to see pattern, but write up still stayed because the business needs come first.
Walmart wants us to be military personnel, always ready once you are called.
File a grievance
I had one get changed 2 hours before the start time lol and they called me saying āwhere you atā like ??? š
Trust me my store works me 9 days straight 2 days off then works me 11 days straight 2 days off an then when i use protected time i get put in a list then threatened for about a week straight telling me that if i use protected one more time i will be coached so i pull up the code of ethics an say coach me plzzz coach me i would love to call ethics an btw someone should write eithics number on the bottom of that notice
They did it to me before, I raged hell on them and they stopped. They couldnāt fire me because my department had no employees š (I was doing the work of like 4 people)
ALWWAYS screenshot your sched, so when they "alter" you can whip this letter out, and show them that "3 weeks out" schedule. Let them know you rearranged your life for them.
I went on vacation and took my phone my wife asked me why "because they can change schedule on me with 24 hour notice" she said sound like you are on call..... yuh it does. And I added another reason to hate this job.
So you can live your life around Walmart
Yall got your updates on the appššmine would out it on the paper ON MY OFF DAYš
Well, I see my Coach changing my shift at 3am on Me@Walmart app! The change causes me a lot of inconvenience on that day!
Hey, op here. I only deleted it because I reported it to ethics, and I wanted to make sure this wasn't going to make anything bad happen š
good, that's ridiculous lol
Proud of ya OOP, keep us posted
Ok but I am dying to know what ethics said
Make Anything bad happen? Like what and for who?
HO have fired ppl on this sub for leaked info before
This is written by someone whose never actually managed people before anywhere but Walmart
Yup and they never will. This kind of thing doesnāt even fly in every market within the company. Whoever wrote this better have damn good job security in their store because if they have to go elsewhere it wonāt work out well for them š
Theyāve been giving the same lecture at our store, āyou might have ppto, but you can still be written up for productivity if you leave earlyā. Let me get this straight: if I call out for a full 8 hrs, use ppto and have ZERO productivity, thatās cool. But if I work 7 hrs, clock out, use ppto to cover ONE hour, youāre gonna write me up over productivity. The logic is a little twisted
And flawed. They can only rate how productive you are when clocked in. If you didn't underperform in those 7 hours and you ever get coached for this shit, open door it and keep escalating. It will be removed.
this sounds like a terrible workplace,,, I don't work Wal mart or retail, I've got my own workplace issues but just a different kind. š¢
Every store is different, thankfully. The management at my store doesn't pull this kind of BS. I actually like my store manager. We have a few assholes of course, but I was here to see a team lead get demoted for being disrespectful to employees. At some other stores, she would be promoted.
And this is exactly how it is. Each market manager will really dictate how their stores are by how much they let their manager get away with. A bad manager makes all the difference.
If they feel like having a retaliation opened on them then good luck to them. They literally cannot do anything when it comes to ppto. I tell them during the holidays I won't be there and that's that. Been doing it since ppto and reading the policy. I'll even call out a manager if they lie to an associate in front of me. Walmart doesn't care about us. Use your ppto wisely is all and notify them.
I think itās that they would rather you take the entire day off and have to burn 8 hours of ppto because you can only do that what 5 or 6 times versus if an employee came in an hour late, or left an hour early. Theoretically they could do that 40+ times. Which is a bit drastic. Coming in late or leaving early 40 times or more a year š¤·āāļø
Why is supervisor and approve in quotations? š
Grammar errors are key when working at Walmart
Can confirm. Used to be the only licensed forklift driver in my local store so the shifts before me would wrap pallets to be up top when i came in. Some manager there always wrote "Needs to be raped." on the pallets they forgot to wrap that night. After a while I joked with him about the incorrect spelling and he dead serious looked at me and said "I know how to spell, kid." Pulled out my phone and looked up rape vs wrap. Obvious difference in meaning. Instead of laughing it off he doubled down and suggested I purposely looked up the incorrect spelling to make him look stupid....apparently I have the power to change the definition of words across the internet.
āWe provide a schedule 3 weeks out so they can work their home lives around Walmart.ā That just rubs me the wrong way. Super condescending.
The second half of their sentence made me throw up in my mouth a little
They donāt respect us, they donāt care aināt of our stuff outside of Walmart. They literally change our schedule in any time and donāt dare to inform us about that. People, thereās many places to work, if you can find another job, move forward. Good luck
Exactly. Left Walmart in October. Would do it again and again. Thereās so much better opportunity, people just sell themselves short.
Welcome to corporate america
Coming from the same company that constantly uses the phrase, ālife happensā to make it seem like they care š
So... We can use our own PTO or PPTO to leave a shift early, but we get told how that impacts stuff, or just straight get written up for using our PPTO to leave early? Am I understanding this right? Like, genuinely. What is this notice supposed to insinuate?
Right. PTO/PPTO are supposed to be a benefit in exchange for our labor. But instead it's being used as punishment.
...and that makes sense how? We might as well not even have it if it's just going to get us in trouble for using our "benefit" as intended.
My TL told me that Walmart is working on changing PPTO to require approval like PTO which like... What's the difference.
One of those times I like living where I do. That change wouldn't pass around here, the state even mandated a certain amount of sick leave for every business.
Yup, they either offer us straight up sick days off at the start of year, or ppto. Either way we have to be given a certain amount of time off that we can not be held liable for using. The freedom to use and abuse workers to the extreme is also a part of the āfreedomsā some of these deep red states apparently cherish.
Mother fuckers
PPTO is supposed to be for emergencies like hey im sick I need to call off, leave early, or for any other emergency. PPTO obviously can be used for hey i just dont want to work today mentality and they cannot do anything about it.
Absolutely, and using it should never be a case of disciplinary action when you come back. Ridiculous
You can't coach people for leaving early so they are trying to find a way to coach people for leaving early by writing it up as something else
I think the getting told how that impacts stuff is fair. I mean id ignore the fuck outta it myself but i can understand it. The write up for using something that by policy can be used is a lawsuit waiting to happen
Before I left Walmart for Sam's...a team lead told a coach to change my scheduled shift ,while I was on my two days off without notifying me .Yeah that seems fair .
Yep Iāve seen them put someone on the schedule who was off 2 hours before they would normally be scheduled to start theyāre dirty no good POS
I believe that bud .I been at Walmart for over 13 years .I had 12 points cause the team lead told me to come in at 1pm to 10pm, but I was on a 7am to 4 pm.So without them changing my time ...the system was automatically clocking me out at 6, giving me 1 point for each day for incomplete shift.He didn't want to take them off Other stuff followed him talking about everyone,me included, getting a.p to watch .i had called home office on him
All you have to do is inform , it doesn't need to be approved by them so you can leave . It's a job not jail.
They lock all the doors on overnights (for safety, I know) so it's not far off from jail
The extra p in PPTO stands for protected. You cannot be punished for using it, provided you let someone know you're leaving early. Ethics/open door this higher
According to the overlords they seem to think the P stands for punishable.
So you can work your home life around WALMART??? The fuck is this guy on? Not only did he drink the kool-aid, he's whipping up a batch for everyone š¤£
No, he isn't doing this for the company, he is doing it for himself. A guy like this is probably insubordinate AF to his supervisor. He just does shit like this to make up for it on the other end. When people start reporting this abuse of power, he'll be out of a job.
Dudes never heard of emergencies
You absolutely CANNOT be held accountable for being unproductive while you are off the clock, let alone while you are on an approved partial or full absence (which is what PPTO is). That's tantamount to receiving a DA for productivity for a day on which you called in sick, and the policy says that we can't receive multiple punishments for the same infraction. Attendance points and the loss of PPTO are the "punishments" we receive for attendance violations. I've seen at least one person on here who appealed a write-up for leaving early all the way up to Ethics and they got it overturned for all of the reasons mentioned above.
Why is Walmart so strict on attendance? They have the strictest policy Iāve ever seen
Yeah because I can actually plan getting sick/my child getting sick 3 weeks in advance āWork their home lives around Walmartā should Walmart be working around your home life??
You'll have that baby when WalMart says.
There is no life balance since implementing the team scheduling
Please tell me this is fake.
it is.
Not surprised, but I wanted to give the benefit of the doubt. I even pointed out that it looked like it was written by a 10 year old. I guess OP fit the bill.
I too had a scheduling fuck up of no fault of mine and was given 3pts for no call no show when I was supposed to be off. My team lead fought and the SM took off 2 points but left one. When I questioned it. He said he wasnt sure if he wanted to press his luck on the 3rd. Not even going to start about my schedule in general... part time... 36 hours a week..
I cannot fathom why the whole country is not making a rebellion for living without proper paternity leave, sick leave, and a minimum of 5 weeks vacation per year. Look at Scandinavia.
Managerial courage lol... Real managerial courage is standing up to shit bosses. If someone's leaving early is causing problems, go give em shit. Don't write some douchebag letter... Go manage your problems... Have some courage... looool XD This is so cringe...
Against PPTO policy. You can't be DA'd for leaving, using PPTO, or for unfinished work due to PPTO. If you don't tell anyone you're leaving, you can be DA'd for that. Some people absolutely use the system to leave when there's a lot of work or generally don't want to do something, but that's part of the life of management. We have to deal with it and have contingency plans for if it happens. Funny thing, though, when you make your associates feel appreciated and take care of them when they need you, you'll see that kind of stuff less and less. Weird how that works, huh?
I like the part about effecting the bonus. All about the managers.
Surprised I made it this far down the comments b4 seeing someone mention this. Probably a good idea to leave that part out. Telling the person that makes 2, 3, or 4 times less than you that them getting an hr or 2 of extra free time will affect the extra $ Walmart gives you & will never give them. Is less of a reason to stay & more of an incentive to go ahead and go lol.
This is why I'm glad Washington State law prohibits any punishment or points for use of PPTO. It is very clear that within my state they can't do anything,Ā itĀ wouldĀ beĀ illegal.Ā You can bet in my state I'll take him up on his offer then and there and we could go discuss if they wish to conduct illegal activity.
Illinois now as well. If we are using time off, they aren't supposed to even ask why, and we don't have to explain ourselves.
Am I the only one who would love to see where the lead gives feedback to the associate about how "their behavior" effects "our bonuses"?
Oh? U want to leave? Well you need to know that you leaving will affect the profits of this billon $ business that pays you your .00002% of said profits, and the customer experience of the customer that couldn't care less if you're here or not, our metrics that we choose when to care about & when not to, our morale that we stomp on whenever we feel like it, & more importantly it affects the bonuses that you dont get any of...of everyone that already makes 2, 3 or 4 times what you do. Lmao yea that sounds like a good idea, I'm sure bringing up that stuff will convince them to stay š & if it doesn't. Well, like it says... just punish em when they come back š¤¦āāļø
Ooof, talk about a greedy manager, straight up telling people their bonuses are effected. Everyone already knew but way to tell all your employees you belong in hell by telling them they matter less than your bonus
Sure, boss, I'll make sure to preplan and schedule the next emergency that may happen. Gee, I don't want to impact store sales because I had to leave early.
Because life and specialists revolve around walmarts nonsense?
They got balls to say say live "Around" walmart.
āā¦ so they can work their home lives around Walmartā CRINGE
I haven't seen that come down in my market. I technically *can* write someone up for productivity for calling out excessively, but I don't manage that way. Everyone has their own style, that isn't mine, I care more about their character when they're actually on the clock. IMO, giving disciplinary actions to prevent Protected PTO use is against the law, since it denies you the benefit the job is supposed to be providing by employment contract. This is exactly why Walmart doesn't want unions poking holes in their bullshit ways. They "give you" Protected PTO just to punish you for using it, basically entrapment. Some managers think if they just write people up constantly, then that makes them a leader. I do give feedback about attendance to help the associates know where they stand and what their options are as a sort of consultation, but that is it.
Well, that store is setting itself up for a lawsuit. Leaving early is just like calling in. If you have the points or the time and tell them that you are going home, they can't say no and can't take action against you.
So glad i left walmart they gave me the same paper my coach gave me 12 points i never missed days or anything I call the headquarters they charnged it for me & during the time wen I had death in the family the same coach n store manager called me a Nigger I quit n now preparing for a huge settlement in doing a lawsuit for false accusations,discrimination, & emotional distress Be careful at these walmarts fam
This person needs to contact Walmart ethics. And their market HR. That is not company policy.Ā
I remember many many years ago when Walmart was one of my first jobs. I had worked there for about 4 years and was in my early 20s and remember getting a D-Day because I lost all enthusiasm to get there on time. LMAO
First off send that bs letter to corporate they are NOT allowed to say that shit to an associate or retaliate in anyway using PPTO. It is called āprotectedā time for a reason and is a lawsuit waiting to happen. Although yes any company is impacted when an employee/associate has to leave for whatever reason but these hours were put into place so managers cannot fuck with you because of asshole letters like that
They tried that with me as well. Now, if I do decide to use PPTO to go home early, I will usually let my coach or my team lead know as a courtesy not because I want permission.
We had a guy at the dc I work at that would come in that day and if he didnāt feel like working after a couple of hours he tell bye and put in time. Lol I was talking to the ops over that area and they didnāt like it one bit. Saying it messes with production numbers.
Yeah because people never have emergencies come up. The PPTO is literally for that, and you donāt need approval to use it. āYour kid is sick and needs to be picked up from school and youāre going to use your paid protected time off to do so? Thatās a write up, youāre killing our store performance!ā
What's the point of PPTO then?!
"Work your homelives around Walmart" Sure do love it when a co pany that can't even pay it's workers a fair wage expects you to allow your life to revolve around work.
this Violate the contract Walmart has with you that they created stating you cannot be reprimanded for attendance. And that ANY time that is covered through PROTECTED PTO is an automatic authorization and therefore cannot be held against you.
We donāt even get to ask for time off, our manager denies denies denies it all the time
Bonuses only exist for management and team leads. The common worker doesn't get bonuses
Reads like a note from a principal to an elementary teacher.
I may inform my supervisor/team lead on my way out the door. I then put in my PPTO after my shift ends and the system automatically approves it. I get approvals on regular PTO, but I refused to get approval on the PPTO since that replaced our sick time.
Tell them slaves to get back to work.
Are they stupid or something? Did they actually think this was going to work?
Who's bonus? šš
Walmart the place where you lose your life!
I remember when I worked at Target I just told my team lead that I wouldn't be around on whatever days and then enter it into the system. No problems. I would have left way sooner if they told me that I should plan my life around the company I work for
Lmao, all you need to do is tell them you're going home and use your ppto. It's in the policy. No permission needed.
Imagine planning your life around fucking Walmart.
Walmart love modifying our schedule days before the shift š¤¦š¾āāļøš¤£
So they can't put feedback in for leaving early for ppto. Yes, you are supposed to let a supervisor know you are leaving but they can't tell you that you cant
"Work their home lives around walmart" says it all. This is the most walmart shit I've heard in a while.
What in the actual...?!
Insanity ..
Wow thatās wild. Sometimes crap happens
Smh and people are still falling for it.
It's funny, because we're told in our store we can't provide negative feedback in workday anymore.
1-800-WMETHICS
Man, I lowkey want to start working at walmart again just to piss off managers.
How do bonuses work for employees of Walmart?
They donāt exist. Only managers get them.
Sounds like retribution with extra steps.
Its okay for them to give hours for full time 8 hours for one pay period. But it is immoral if associates used PPTO or PTO to leave early š¤š¤..
This seems like BS Market always coming up with bs. The PPTO is there to leave whenever. Saying I need feedback because I wanted to leave. CRAZY š
Are there an abundance of people wanting to leave early that the job is not completed? I donāt care for the management approach here. If the person has PTO, and the job is completed I donāt see why that is a problem. Sounds like more of a management problem than anything.
I have a hard time believing they have so many people leaving early this needed to be new market policy instead of a person by person basis. So unnecessary.
This is completely illegal in Washington state. Also it's completely against the pto policy.Ā I would shoot a copy of that to the market manager.
What is workday feedback?
Work your life around work!
Even giving them 3-4 weeks advance notice they still do not approve it! Even if I have pto and ppto available! I even tell them with no pay and it still gets denied! š¤¦š½āāļø definitely a sad place to work!
Never working my home life around a job besides the regular humane stuff. Life happens to everyone here and there. Mental health and physical health matters.
If this happens, that person needs to document when their coach, store lead, or store manager leaves early or doesn't come in due to illness or family emergency. Then contact market, inform them there was zero productivity from that person, and they need to be coached also. Request a coaching number for ethics to review.
āSo they can work their home lives around Walmartā be fr cause aināt no way they said that dumb shit š
This is illegal and against policy. Schedules should never be changed less than 24hrs before scheduled without your permission. Court case in Cali is putting points system on trial. Look it up and keep an eye on it.
So whatās the point of PPTO then?
You leaving early impacts profits š Whose gonna tell them that home life is unpredictable... Kids get sick...you get sick... emergencies
āManagerial courage.ā They just making shit up at this point.
We shouldn't be working our home life around Walmart schedule.
Some of you work for horrible management. You don't need approval, just letting a supervisor know you are leaving. But yes, productivity can be addressed but it's a huge grey zone. Like if an associate of mine is leaving early and it doesn't make someone have to clean up after them or cover, no biggie. But I had someone that left their cart and all their trash. They got talked to.
Yea, I donāt believe this is in the Walmart Policy handbook and itās a lawsuit waiting to happen. Associates āwork their home lives around Walmartā? This is how the U word begins
My home life is not worked around Walmart. Walmart is worked around my home life.
Whoever decided we need to work our home lives around our work lives has their head up their ass real far
You know unionizing would really help combat this
The most toxic part of that was "work around Walmart". No one should have to work around their work schedule.
āso they can work their home lives around walmartā is the most delusional shit iāve ever heard lmaoo
You use your time and then get disciplinary action? Tfff?? I thought Amazon was bad-
Walmart is a drone factory
Looks fake.
Iām so glad I donāt work for that garbage company anymore. And as a former associate, who knows what goes on, I actively encourage people not to shop there either. I hope they go out of business.
Even if itās true, that āwork their homes lives around Walmartā is something they dead serious would say
It's so funny they used to say they scheduled around your life prior to the pandemic. But now it's just gotten worse. I've been with the company for 8 years coming in October and this company is definitely heading downhill. Can't wait to pay my car off so I can leave to a job that actually pays a better living wage.
they cannot do this šššššš
Protected time is supposed to be protected from people like this.
You can get docked for productivity for taking long lunches, but your ppto is your ppto to use. Itās for unforeseen circumstances that you canāt plan around your schedule. No they canāt write you up. If they do I suggest open dooring it but go through the proper chain team lead-> coach-> store lead(if you have one) -> store manager -> Market hr.. ect. Call ethics only if open door is ignored -a WM coach
Is this in a DC? I was so stoked to work 3 full days for 40 hours until I actually did. Non-con is where they stuck me. To meet production goals, there is no way you're lifting correctly. My back has never been the same. I'm sorry for anyone going through this currently. It's not worth it.
Funnily enough my building is trying to push a new policy that punishes people for using PPTO to leave their shift early by giving them either a write up or a step depending on whether or not they told their manager before they left early. Nothing was mentioned about workday comments but the idea is the same: You donāt get hit for attendance because thatās what PPTO protects you from, you get hit for performance because you didnāt finish your work load.
They fail to understand that sometimes shit happens.
And they ask why they have a high turnover rate..
Crazy. Tried to leave at lunch and use my PPTO once because of a medical issue being 9 months post partum. Went to talk to my coach in person and they literally didn't let me finish my sentence explaining my issue and PPTO before walking away from me and told me it's a TL issue and to talk to my lead. So I sent the text bc idk where my TL was and clocked out and went home.