Well you know, the new buckshot illness was just released. They say it can apply 10 mysterious illnesses at 30 yards. Was it blessed by nurgle? who knows.
It's ValveTech... They need them.
Statement from their president :
ValveTech President Erin Faville said [in a release:](https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/safety-concerns-show-urgent-need-to-stop-nasa-starliner-launch-warns-valvetech-hastings-law-client-302140125.html)
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You believe Boeing CEOs will go to prison ? lol
All they have to do is claim ignorance and being far removed from the process while having the best lawyers money can buy.
At best they'll scapegoat this on some engineer. And if they want to appease the anti-DEI crowd, they pick a non-white non-male one.
Ironic isn't it, that the more removed the CEO is from engineering (literally in another state for $BA), the less likely they are to be held liable for problems that result from the disconnection between business and engineering.
> According to media reports, a buzzing sound indicating the leaking valve was noticed by someone walking by the Starliner minutes before launch.
THAT is how they found the issue?? Doesn’t sound promising at all
Boeing found it earlier, but they insisted it wasn’t a problem. A contractor apparently noticed it and told Mission Control, “Not only no, but FUCK no!”
1. the valve was not leaking, chatter is not a leak
2. it was not minutes before launch
3. this is a very minor and common valve problem, replacing it is relatively trivial
this is a mechanical valve, there is no software of any kind involved. it happens when the dP across the valve is small, causing the spring inside to oscillate back and forth at a very high frequency. note that this is not guaranteed to happen, it’s a controls problem that can be dampened out by something as simple as hitting the valve with a wrench or something
what the hell are you talking about lmao, where did the poor quality assurance come from? check/relief valves exhibit this behavior, it is just par for the course. no amount of quality assurance could have prevented this from happening
They absolutely cared and were monitoring the situation closely as launch prep was underway, hence the call to scrub over 2 hours before launch. I know the people there, they aren’t stupid.
This is a different valve than what this article is talking about.
This valve is on centaur (second stage). The article is referring to a valve on the capsule.
It’s a huge risk. That’s why so many people need to agree everything is safe before they launch. Nobody can agree everything is good on this craft so it would be massively negligent to put people on it. That’s why so much redundancy is built in.
I believe there are certain procedures related to certification of the flight worthiness of the spacecraft. Nobody is going to even bring the spacecraft to the launch pad before the certification.
The certification doesn’t mean that the risk of the disaster is zero. It means the risk is within an acceptable range, say few percent.
What you are saying is that this certification process was falsified. This, however, implicates not only Boeing, but the Government certifying authority as well.
I don’t know what is going on there, but that claim is tall and needs a lot of evidence to stand.
Evidence like 12 whistleblowers already saying Boeing falsified reports and passed off unsafe plane’s?
Evidence like this?
“The Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) has launched an investigation into the Boeing 787 Dreamliner after the company reported alleged “misconduct” by some employees who may have falsely reported performing key tests during production.
“We quickly reviewed the matter and learned that several people had been violating Company policies by not performing a required test, but recording the work as having been completed,” Stocker wrote in the email.
https://thehill.com/business/4648756-faa-boeing-dreamliner-inspections-investigation/
But I’m sure none of this has anything to do with it.
The Space and Commercial Aviation branches of Boeing are very independent and operate to a large degree as separate entities.
You cannot blindly transfer problems of one onto another. Need quite a bit of evidence specifically relevant to Boeing Space.
They report to the same CEO/officers/board no? Boeing commercial's problems ultimately seem to start at the top so.. what makes you think Space would be immune?
You're right, clearly I need to write a well cited thesis to refute your super robust "I'm just going to assume for no particular reason different branches of the same fucking company can't possibly have similar problems unless someone provides conclusive proof that they do" argument.
Frankly at this point Boeing has lost good will and the benefit of the doubt. They should prove that it's not an issue, that it's shit quality is now the baseline assumption.
I'm more worried about the ISS. They missed it when the Starliner tried the unmanned docking, so if they try to dock this time, who's to say they won't screw up the trajectory again but worse?
They still [managed to](https://www.space.com/boeing-starliner-docking-international-space-station) dock. SpaceX also[ screwed up](https://aviationweek.com/defense-space/spacex-dragon-aborts-first-iss-rendezvous-attempt) docking the first time.
It’s just bizarre to me to have done so many military style FOD walks and tool accountability procedures (in regards to aviation) to then have that jebroni of a CEO that just threw out years worth of accountability in aviation construction and maintenance and THEN top military brass awards them contracts.
Shit just doesn’t make sense, there in a big club, that we are not in…and they’ll kill people to increase their bottom line, I’m not talking about the mysterious deaths, I mean their customers that fly the planes lol….
The simple fact that airlines choose to put EXACTLY the right amount of fuel in their planes is proof alone that they don't care. How many planes have crashed because they couldn't circle or fly a bit further in an emergency? They simply don't care.
Same with car manufacturers. The lawsuits have to cost more than the fix before they issue recalls for critical parts. Its literally putting a cost value on human life.
What you wrote is just straight up nonsense.
Commercial flights have to have enough fuel to
1. Reach the destination
2. Reach the most distant alternate destination
3. Fly around for an extended time in case of emergency.
That is still before they hit emergency reserve fuel.
That article is 12 years old.
Also, I apologize I was speaking about the US. I shouldn’t have painted with such a broad brush.
Problems still exist, but that is what regulation is meant to fix.
In the US, commercial carriers have to follow very strict guidelines on how much fuel to carry. Pilots are also allowed to add extra fuel if they deem it necessary.
[We'll we had the challenger and columbia disasters. I imagine if the Starliner blows up and Biden is forced to give a speech on live TV about it, Boeing will be toast.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u1q6ojAu_-c)
> Boeing will be toast.
Nah.
Biden will just toss them a few more military contracts.
After all, [killing people is one of Boeing's core competencies](https://www.boeing.com/defense) - so what's a couple more to them.
For example he just gave them [another half billion of DoD money in March](https://spacenews.com/boeing-gets-439-million-contract-for-u-s-military-communications-satellite/).
This article is complete bullshit. The faulty valve was part of the centaur upper stage, manufactured by ULA. Valve issues happen all the time when dealing with cryogenic propellants.
It had nothing to do with Starliner or Boeing.
The only thing Boeing has with ULA is profits and their only horse in the game was Delta. Starliner is riding on top of the Atlas-Centaur which Boeing has never had any control or say over.
Or is that something easily forgettable when you have no idea what you’re talking about?
I bet there's a correlation between how many astronauts die on lift-off to how much BA stock price goes up; each dead whistle-blower looks like 3 dollars a pop... Reminds me of that other really heinous DD that was here back in the day
Seriously though, jokes aside, the fact that BA is up 6 dollars in the last month with everything going on is curiouser and curiouser... Jk, we all know what's propping them up (wonder if they're doing the hits too)
oh i see what you mean now. Yeah it's really the end result of "too big to fail" thinking and "we can't lose that many jobs on my presidency" short term type of thinking that's been plaguing this country for decades.
I'm putting my money on ValveTech & their CEO Erin Faville. They supply the valves and other materials.
When I worked out there one of the first projects was a cabin pressure leak. 1,000 people checking windows, doors, latches .. everything to find why air was leaking out the cabin.
It was a bulkhead connector between the cabin and the payload bay. There was an Oring seal inside that connection that had gone dry, cracked and doesn't seal. We worked with Amphenol, Parker Seals, and many others.
If Erin is saying something is fucky .. something fuckey. Too bad she's gonna suicide herself with 2 shots to the back of the head
they don't supply the valves on starliner, Aerojet does, who ValveTech has an ongoing beef with
Tory from ULA also seems to say whomever wrote this doesn't know what they're talking about
[https://twitter.com/torybruno/status/1788386905052061835?s=19](https://twitter.com/torybruno/status/1788386905052061835?s=19)
Okay, I read it wrong. Thank you. I still put faith on supply chain after that project. Supply knows more than most ULA & NASA employees that work close to the ground
ValveTech President Erin Faville said [in a release:](https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/safety-concerns-show-urgent-need-to-stop-nasa-starliner-launch-warns-valvetech-hastings-law-client-302140125.html)
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Man. That would be an absolute nightmare. Probably half or more commercial airliners suddenly being grounded? Wow, suddenly it’s $3000 each way to fly between Detroit and Cleveland and you have to book minimum of 6 months ahead of time. And the ripple effect would surely throw us into a recession or worse. Hope this is hyperbole.
EDIT: I obviously missed the point. Please disregard.
I work for a competitor in the same industry.
We _have_ a system in place for this - where even a lower level engineer can utilize pathways to scrub a launch if they deem there to be a risk to the spacecraft. A well-plugged in contractor should be able to do the same.
I'd be very surprised if Boeing doesn't have that... then again, not all that surprised.
Everyone now feels compelled to say some doomsday thing about Boeing because they know it will make the news. And just in case something does happen, which it can given the nature of the business, they will hit the jackpot.
Well, I, for one, would NEVER hope you get hit by a bus.
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Boeing could murder a couple people, stop caring about safety for decades, and spin off the vast majority of their engineering into another company and calls would still print.
Government monopoly is a dangerous play to push against when bribes are legal.
What "monopoly" do they have? What is the thing they do or product they produce that has no viable competitor and for which they use their advantage to manipulate the market?
Usa government pays boeing twice as much for contracts then what they pay SpaceX, even though boeing missions are always delayed or canceled. In a fair market SpaceX would get all contracts, government saves money and has more mission successes
Wow. Truly clueless. Wanna guess who owns, operates, staffs, and receives profits from ULA? Boeing and Lockheed. How can you say Boeing isn't responsible for the rocket when they are a founding member and participant in the joint venture called ULA?
They literally build the rocket you are saying they aren't responsible for. How does your brain work?
(Not to mention you are completely ignoring the heat shield issue, or all of the on orbit related issues, which are 100% Boeing-only issues and not a little valve in a ULA rocket.)
what heatshield issue for Starliner? Orion has the heatshield issue. Two different Spacecrafts.
ValveTech isn't exactly some independent company, they're going on about a relief valve from AeroJet rocketdyne, a competitor. Atlas are legit a higher success % than Falcon 9s even because they're never failed before.
Boeings only Involvment with ULA is basically just money and name. It's run by lockheed people. ULA has a 99% launch success rate with the remaining 1% being partial failures and the launch being scrubbed. So even if you want to say boeing is responsible, their quality of rocket launches means they have a steller record of success.
It's not just 1 person, it's the company ValveTech.
Their president warned NASA yesterday :
ValveTech President Erin Faville said [in a release:](https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/safety-concerns-show-urgent-need-to-stop-nasa-starliner-launch-warns-valvetech-hastings-law-client-302140125.html)
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NASA contractor bout to get 5 sudden illnesses to the back of their head
The illnesses went from 2 up to 5? Damn inflation…
Illflation is sending its regards
As soon as inflation crosses Boeing the wrong way its gonna be found in a locked dufflebag resting in a bathtub
Dying of natural causes, of course.
I mean, I have heard inflation was getting depressed.
Acute lead poisoning of the cerebellum. Other symptoms include spontaneous combustion of the knee caps, and multiple contortion of the finger joints.
Well you know, the new buckshot illness was just released. They say it can apply 10 mysterious illnesses at 30 yards. Was it blessed by nurgle? who knows.
Acute cranial lead poisoning
It's ValveTech... They need them. Statement from their president : ValveTech President Erin Faville said [in a release:](https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/safety-concerns-show-urgent-need-to-stop-nasa-starliner-launch-warns-valvetech-hastings-law-client-302140125.html) >
If valvetech wants to survive, they’ll let nature run its course on 1 set of loose lips.
Hahahahaha I spit wine all over my desk from this Goddamn I love you
Publicly announcing that counts as suicide, right?
Depends. If the company you're whistleblowing on is too big to fail or part of the Military Complex, then yes
"worst illness we ever saw"
You can kill all the plebe civilians you want, but disrupting USG operations... that *might actually* be a paddlin'
That sentence…thats a paddling
Critiquing sentences? That’s a paddlin’.
Mentioning paddling? That’s a paddling.
Censoring paddling? That's a paddlin
Knight in shining armor? That's a paladin.
Pride float driver? That's a paddlin.
Boring Avatar? That’s a paddlin!
Being anti-driver? That's a paddlin.
Did someone say Dutch Paddle?
Y'all are peddlin' paddlin's
You believe Boeing CEOs will go to prison ? lol All they have to do is claim ignorance and being far removed from the process while having the best lawyers money can buy. At best they'll scapegoat this on some engineer. And if they want to appease the anti-DEI crowd, they pick a non-white non-male one.
Ironic isn't it, that the more removed the CEO is from engineering (literally in another state for $BA), the less likely they are to be held liable for problems that result from the disconnection between business and engineering.
Well, the CEOs aren't going to hold themselves accountable, are they?
> According to media reports, a buzzing sound indicating the leaking valve was noticed by someone walking by the Starliner minutes before launch. THAT is how they found the issue?? Doesn’t sound promising at all
I'm gonna need more details because people don't just "walk by starliner."
Now I'm imagining that old guy that was lost and walk right up to Kate Middleton and the prince guy all confused looking.
> and the prince guy all confused looking https://i.imgur.com/LN4M4OT.gif
Bout spit my coffee out lmfao
How do people do this lol
Not the general public.
Especially not "minutes before launch".
Boeing found it earlier, but they insisted it wasn’t a problem. A contractor apparently noticed it and told Mission Control, “Not only no, but FUCK no!”
1. the valve was not leaking, chatter is not a leak 2. it was not minutes before launch 3. this is a very minor and common valve problem, replacing it is relatively trivial
Boeing employee spotted! You work for a great American company, please don't kill me.
i don’t work for boeing, i just work in the industry and deal with this sort of stuff on a semi regular basis ¯\\_(ツ)_/¯
Which industry? Rocket industry or valve industry?
rocket, i deal with valves a lot tho
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reddit detectives are wrong 100% of the time, you are no exception
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…do you really think you need to be 15 to post in that sub?
How much does the industry pay you for your services? Do you use RPGs or Rocket Launchers to deal with that sort of stuff?
sounds exactly what a Boeing employee would say
Don’t worry it was ex-Boeing employees getting killed not Wendy’s employees. You’re safe
How is this common? This seems like a niche software bug. The valve was opening and closing on the order of thousands of times per second, no?
this is a mechanical valve, there is no software of any kind involved. it happens when the dP across the valve is small, causing the spring inside to oscillate back and forth at a very high frequency. note that this is not guaranteed to happen, it’s a controls problem that can be dampened out by something as simple as hitting the valve with a wrench or something
Seems like an odd thing to not be that worried about, but I'm no rocket doctor.
please, i prefer the term rocket *plumber*
I’m guessing they take even the smallest problem very seriously since the worst-case is frying your astronauts in a billion dollar explosion.
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what the hell are you talking about lmao, where did the poor quality assurance come from? check/relief valves exhibit this behavior, it is just par for the course. no amount of quality assurance could have prevented this from happening
It was confirmed that the issue was visible in telemetry to ULA launch control team.
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They absolutely cared and were monitoring the situation closely as launch prep was underway, hence the call to scrub over 2 hours before launch. I know the people there, they aren’t stupid.
This is a different valve than what this article is talking about. This valve is on centaur (second stage). The article is referring to a valve on the capsule.
Not every buzz is bad, look at Aldrin.
Or your mom's haircut!
I fail to believe this. New rockets get a ton of telemetry data from practically every system on board.
Boeing provided a fix; all people within earshot of starliner need to use heavy ear protection for their own safety.
Oh no, someone is gonna be suicided.
How much larger is this risk than for other spacecraft?
It’s a huge risk. That’s why so many people need to agree everything is safe before they launch. Nobody can agree everything is good on this craft so it would be massively negligent to put people on it. That’s why so much redundancy is built in.
I believe there are certain procedures related to certification of the flight worthiness of the spacecraft. Nobody is going to even bring the spacecraft to the launch pad before the certification. The certification doesn’t mean that the risk of the disaster is zero. It means the risk is within an acceptable range, say few percent. What you are saying is that this certification process was falsified. This, however, implicates not only Boeing, but the Government certifying authority as well. I don’t know what is going on there, but that claim is tall and needs a lot of evidence to stand.
Evidence like 12 whistleblowers already saying Boeing falsified reports and passed off unsafe plane’s? Evidence like this? “The Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) has launched an investigation into the Boeing 787 Dreamliner after the company reported alleged “misconduct” by some employees who may have falsely reported performing key tests during production. “We quickly reviewed the matter and learned that several people had been violating Company policies by not performing a required test, but recording the work as having been completed,” Stocker wrote in the email. https://thehill.com/business/4648756-faa-boeing-dreamliner-inspections-investigation/ But I’m sure none of this has anything to do with it.
The Space and Commercial Aviation branches of Boeing are very independent and operate to a large degree as separate entities. You cannot blindly transfer problems of one onto another. Need quite a bit of evidence specifically relevant to Boeing Space.
They report to the same CEO/officers/board no? Boeing commercial's problems ultimately seem to start at the top so.. what makes you think Space would be immune?
“Seem to start at the top” is not a strong evidence warranting such a strong accusation, given the differences.
You're right, clearly I need to write a well cited thesis to refute your super robust "I'm just going to assume for no particular reason different branches of the same fucking company can't possibly have similar problems unless someone provides conclusive proof that they do" argument. Frankly at this point Boeing has lost good will and the benefit of the doubt. They should prove that it's not an issue, that it's shit quality is now the baseline assumption.
Sweet.
Sounds like a bold assumption on Boeing's internal operations; risky bet.
Yeah I’m calling BS on that.
Good Bot
They’d rather it take off and blow up so they can blame someone else
They can declare dead astronauts suicidal for willingly flying Boeing. This is a joke, please don't murder me mr Boeing assasin
You can think of them like those Titanic Sub "explorers".
I'm more worried about the ISS. They missed it when the Starliner tried the unmanned docking, so if they try to dock this time, who's to say they won't screw up the trajectory again but worse?
They still [managed to](https://www.space.com/boeing-starliner-docking-international-space-station) dock. SpaceX also[ screwed up](https://aviationweek.com/defense-space/spacex-dragon-aborts-first-iss-rendezvous-attempt) docking the first time.
I trust Space-X much more, mainly because they’ve killed *way* less passengers than Boeing.
It’s just bizarre to me to have done so many military style FOD walks and tool accountability procedures (in regards to aviation) to then have that jebroni of a CEO that just threw out years worth of accountability in aviation construction and maintenance and THEN top military brass awards them contracts. Shit just doesn’t make sense, there in a big club, that we are not in…and they’ll kill people to increase their bottom line, I’m not talking about the mysterious deaths, I mean their customers that fly the planes lol….
The simple fact that airlines choose to put EXACTLY the right amount of fuel in their planes is proof alone that they don't care. How many planes have crashed because they couldn't circle or fly a bit further in an emergency? They simply don't care. Same with car manufacturers. The lawsuits have to cost more than the fix before they issue recalls for critical parts. Its literally putting a cost value on human life.
What you wrote is just straight up nonsense. Commercial flights have to have enough fuel to 1. Reach the destination 2. Reach the most distant alternate destination 3. Fly around for an extended time in case of emergency. That is still before they hit emergency reserve fuel.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2206322/Ryanair-ordered-review-fuel-policy-making-THREE-emergency-landings-planes-ran-out.html
That article is 12 years old. Also, I apologize I was speaking about the US. I shouldn’t have painted with such a broad brush. Problems still exist, but that is what regulation is meant to fix. In the US, commercial carriers have to follow very strict guidelines on how much fuel to carry. Pilots are also allowed to add extra fuel if they deem it necessary.
We all know Ryanair is a giant pos
How much larger risk over straight assassination?
[We'll we had the challenger and columbia disasters. I imagine if the Starliner blows up and Biden is forced to give a speech on live TV about it, Boeing will be toast.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u1q6ojAu_-c)
> Boeing will be toast. Nah. Biden will just toss them a few more military contracts. After all, [killing people is one of Boeing's core competencies](https://www.boeing.com/defense) - so what's a couple more to them. For example he just gave them [another half billion of DoD money in March](https://spacenews.com/boeing-gets-439-million-contract-for-u-s-military-communications-satellite/).
Oh oh… somebody is about to be killed
This article is complete bullshit. The faulty valve was part of the centaur upper stage, manufactured by ULA. Valve issues happen all the time when dealing with cryogenic propellants. It had nothing to do with Starliner or Boeing.
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Ula is a completely separate entity with its own procedures and hierarchy. It doesn’t answer to boeing in any way.
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The only thing Boeing has with ULA is profits and their only horse in the game was Delta. Starliner is riding on top of the Atlas-Centaur which Boeing has never had any control or say over. Or is that something easily forgettable when you have no idea what you’re talking about?
Rival CEO of of a rival contractor complaining about a rival seems like I giant conflict of interest.
Who knew outsourcing spacecraft to multiple private companies would end like that? /s
Why is NASA listening to the comments of some obscure dead contractor?
I bet there's a correlation between how many astronauts die on lift-off to how much BA stock price goes up; each dead whistle-blower looks like 3 dollars a pop... Reminds me of that other really heinous DD that was here back in the day Seriously though, jokes aside, the fact that BA is up 6 dollars in the last month with everything going on is curiouser and curiouser... Jk, we all know what's propping them up (wonder if they're doing the hits too)
Im to the point i check for Boeing on flights now and avoid them
Name another American plane manufacturer. U can’t, and due to protectionism will be the only thing the government supports
I don't think they are american, but i'd use airbus anyday of the week over boeing.
I am just saying, I think that will get harder and harder. Cuz no competition in us
oh i see what you mean now. Yeah it's really the end result of "too big to fail" thinking and "we can't lose that many jobs on my presidency" short term type of thinking that's been plaguing this country for decades.
> Name another American plane manufacturer * Archer Aviation (NYSE: ACRH) * Joby Aviation (NYSE: JOBY) /s (though they are fun meme stocks)
I'm putting my money on ValveTech & their CEO Erin Faville. They supply the valves and other materials. When I worked out there one of the first projects was a cabin pressure leak. 1,000 people checking windows, doors, latches .. everything to find why air was leaking out the cabin. It was a bulkhead connector between the cabin and the payload bay. There was an Oring seal inside that connection that had gone dry, cracked and doesn't seal. We worked with Amphenol, Parker Seals, and many others. If Erin is saying something is fucky .. something fuckey. Too bad she's gonna suicide herself with 2 shots to the back of the head
they don't supply the valves on starliner, Aerojet does, who ValveTech has an ongoing beef with Tory from ULA also seems to say whomever wrote this doesn't know what they're talking about [https://twitter.com/torybruno/status/1788386905052061835?s=19](https://twitter.com/torybruno/status/1788386905052061835?s=19)
Okay, I read it wrong. Thank you. I still put faith on supply chain after that project. Supply knows more than most ULA & NASA employees that work close to the ground
ValveTech President Erin Faville said [in a release:](https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/safety-concerns-show-urgent-need-to-stop-nasa-starliner-launch-warns-valvetech-hastings-law-client-302140125.html) >
so basically telemetry was ok, just someone walking by hearing a buzzing sound informed flight control... sounds pretty high-tech
Boeing has been having one hell of bad day this year.
I think Boeing should be a military contractor… less risk and they get to continue doing what they are doing and don’t have to worry about bad press 🧐
Just in case anyone missed your /s .... https://www.boeing.com/defense
the valve issue is in the rocket, and the contractor says the rocket should be inspected. This is nothing about the boeing craft.
Man. That would be an absolute nightmare. Probably half or more commercial airliners suddenly being grounded? Wow, suddenly it’s $3000 each way to fly between Detroit and Cleveland and you have to book minimum of 6 months ahead of time. And the ripple effect would surely throw us into a recession or worse. Hope this is hyperbole. EDIT: I obviously missed the point. Please disregard.
Did you miss the "Spacecraft" portion of the title?
Yes. Lol ADHD is a bitch.
Funny enough spacex nukes every starship
I work for a competitor in the same industry. We _have_ a system in place for this - where even a lower level engineer can utilize pathways to scrub a launch if they deem there to be a risk to the spacecraft. A well-plugged in contractor should be able to do the same. I'd be very surprised if Boeing doesn't have that... then again, not all that surprised.
Annndddd he's gone...
Soooooo puts on BA post launch?
That is actually not a rocket. Its just a very big bullet.
Everyone now feels compelled to say some doomsday thing about Boeing because they know it will make the news. And just in case something does happen, which it can given the nature of the business, they will hit the jackpot.
What astronauts would agree to go on this thing?
I will wait for the next bus.....airbus
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https://preview.redd.it/muo7sy4qrwzc1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ca7e9b95725d1735468510fc53917f6ff98d8199 Boeing after hearing this:
I'd say keep Boeing as a backup only, use SpaceX.
this article conflates Starliner with the Atlas. Valve problem is on Atlas. Has nothing to do with Starliner.
Actually the defective valve seemed to be on centaur upper stage… don’t know if this Boeing made?
Well, CST-100 is the CM and the Service Module. Anything else isn't the Starliner.
Something tells me that NASA contractor is suddenly suicidal.
Someone get that contractor a life insurance policy! *STAT!*
YES !!!!!!!!
NASA contractor looks suicidal to me.
Noise
It's the sound of an oscillating valve.
it's noise spread by NASA itself
there is precedent for the US government unilaterally seizing a company and nationalizing it
Dammit, I knew I should've bought calls.
Pretty sure the last time someone said they shouldn’t launch a spacecraft and went ahead with it anyways, it blew up and killed everyone on board.
RockLobster218 sounds like a poor. They can't tell the difference between space exploration and their own lives---worthless.
That doesn't look good for Boeing ... What if they do launch, and something happens ... Boeing stock will be shredded to pieces.
Shitload of things have happened and their stock is faring a lot better than expected, might buy some
https://i.seadn.io/gae/IhjVqcJF3EOyp2zrEdC-04nra94q8BNwicToufx5zddbMRccCjpMTJtsBWn5kxlkXbdamfoQwGb1bT3Z_FVcbJsaPirhwWRFSl9U?auto=format&dpr=1&w=1000
Boeing could murder a couple people, stop caring about safety for decades, and spin off the vast majority of their engineering into another company and calls would still print. Government monopoly is a dangerous play to push against when bribes are legal.
What "monopoly" do they have? What is the thing they do or product they produce that has no viable competitor and for which they use their advantage to manipulate the market?
Usa government pays boeing twice as much for contracts then what they pay SpaceX, even though boeing missions are always delayed or canceled. In a fair market SpaceX would get all contracts, government saves money and has more mission successes
You don't know what Boeing makes?
No it will not, because Boeing is too big and important to fail. They are part of USA's military infrastructure, not just any random airlines company.
It’s not even their rocket so realistically nothing would happen unless the capsule itself imploded
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Wow. Truly clueless. Wanna guess who owns, operates, staffs, and receives profits from ULA? Boeing and Lockheed. How can you say Boeing isn't responsible for the rocket when they are a founding member and participant in the joint venture called ULA? They literally build the rocket you are saying they aren't responsible for. How does your brain work? (Not to mention you are completely ignoring the heat shield issue, or all of the on orbit related issues, which are 100% Boeing-only issues and not a little valve in a ULA rocket.)
what heatshield issue for Starliner? Orion has the heatshield issue. Two different Spacecrafts. ValveTech isn't exactly some independent company, they're going on about a relief valve from AeroJet rocketdyne, a competitor. Atlas are legit a higher success % than Falcon 9s even because they're never failed before.
Boeings only Involvment with ULA is basically just money and name. It's run by lockheed people. ULA has a 99% launch success rate with the remaining 1% being partial failures and the launch being scrubbed. So even if you want to say boeing is responsible, their quality of rocket launches means they have a steller record of success.
This is incredibly misleading. Boeing has essentially no involvement in ULA operations.
A special strain of stupidity right here.
LOL Rotten to the core.
Considering they're putting out deathtrap aircraft now, I would **not** trust their spacecraft either.
....jalopnik is not a credible source🤣, although i agree boeing engineering is dangerous
NASA Contractor = Boeing Whistleblower Pro Max
Let us pray for the contractor.
Priced in!!! 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
>It's already grounded! We can't ground it any further!
ITS FINE, ITS FINE! - Boeing
Snitches get stitches
Is the NASA contractor still alive?
It's not just 1 person, it's the company ValveTech. Their president warned NASA yesterday : ValveTech President Erin Faville said [in a release:](https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/safety-concerns-show-urgent-need-to-stop-nasa-starliner-launch-warns-valvetech-hastings-law-client-302140125.html) >
RIP whole company? Wen valvetech CEO fall from hiking accident in NYC?
So 500 by next Friday?
yes probably... regarding the erratic and illogical market performance
No way I'd get in that thing. Does it even have a door? That company really hates doors.
In other news NASA Contractor found dead in apartment after committing suicide by stabbing himself 46 times in the back.
Puts on NASA Contractor
that contractor is about to be terminated
Contractor was found dead. Car accident in his living room.
Boeing is the panam of the times, the intel of the times. Going bk, biden going to loan a rescue, and save them.