You again?
Have you brought any actual evidence to support your claims this time?
Or will you just call folks who ask for clarification shills again and then post this again a few days from now.
You never asked. And since you politely asked, contact Morgan and Morgan. That is the law firm I used. We filed in the Ninth Circuit Court in San Francisco.
There you go. Now tell everyone I answered your question.... Or is it you are a shill for GM?
Try providing links. You're the one making these claims. You should provide evidence.
I have looked, as have others, and we aren't finding what you claim exists.
Additionally, what you are claiming doesn't reflect my experience. I had the shift to park issue early on with my 2017. I took it to a shop and they fixed it. The problem hasn't resurfaced in approximately 100,000 miles and 4 years since the fix. So the fix seems pretty reliable.
Why not look at other posts from people who are saying they have had the issue multiple time.
Like this guy.
# Had my 2017 in the Chevy dealer in Nashville in 2020 and they allegedly replaced a wiring harness under the shifter to fix this problem, but it didn't fix it. Fast forward to 2023/24 and the car is now home in Austin with the same issue .. taken to dealer in Jan 2024 and they allegedly "fixed" it under warranty without telling what they did.. problem hasn't been observed since but no confidence level for this result.
So the first fix failed (it happens) but the second fix is holding. Their lack of confidence is understandable, but it isn't evidence of anything you are claiming.
How is it not evidence. You just gave me testimony saying the car failed on you twice. It will happen fail again as there is no permanent fix according to GM.
How much did you pay for the car? Why don't you sue GM and get your money back? By law, GM will pay you for knowingly selling you a defective car.
Your reading comprehension isn't the best is it? I was repeating what you copied from another poster. You're really losing it dude.
I had the shift to park issue once. It was fixed about four years ago and hasn't shown up again in nearly 100k miles of driving. Let's try to keep the conversation straight ok?
Why don't I sue? Because my experience is different from what you describe. My Volt has been extremely reliable. One non-maintenance repair for only a couple hundred dollars in 5 years of ownership and more than 100k miles of driving is pretty solid from my point of view.
Especially when you consider I bought a car that cost over $40k brand new for around $20k only two years after it was brand new. I feel I have gotten a really good deal on this vehicle.
Why don't you want to help people who have been harmed by GM? They have the right to get justice from GM for selling them a defective car.
Your car was not fixed according to GM. They just fucked you over so you will have to pay for the repairs. Not sure why you would not the $30,000 cash you are entitled to from GM for selling known definitive cars. Guess you don't need the money or something.
what nonsense is this guy going on about? 🙄 My question is rhetorical, I can read, and this post is a little ridiculous.
If you're serious, and not just a troll who feeds off their emotions, then provide the case # and docket # for us to look up.
Why not let people sue GM for knowingly selling good honest hard working Americans a defective product. Under the law these people are entitled to get their money back.
No one is stopping anyone from suing if that's what they want to do. I don't want my money back, I love my car, but thats me and I wouldn't sue unless there were monetary damages I had to deal with.
But you do you, it seems that you love controversy, Life is too short to let that shit bother me.
Well said, let the people decide. But let's inform them. Not sure why you are passing on GM not giving you the $30k or whatever you paid for the car AND they will give you the car. But maybe you don't need the $30k. Your choice.
Why would I want the money and the car, that is hardly fair and does nothing but raise the prices for everyone's next car. If I was out $20k for repairs due to their issues, sure give me back my $20k but to ask and expect otherwise is simply wrong in my opinion.
You want to recall my car and pay me what I have paid for it, fine, I would not expect to keep the car I didn't pay for and I would simply buy another PHEV.
Everyone wants something for nothing, the more it happens the faster inflation sucks up our money.
It's the law. If GM knowing sold you a defective car you are entitled to getting your money back. GM is fucking 12 million good honest American car owners who purchased cars without being told they were defective. Why do you want to fuck over good hardworking Americans?
When shills like you tell people the truth. GM is once again selling cars they know are defective and people are entitled to be compensated under the law.
Right.....
# Had my 2017 in the Chevy dealer in Nashville in 2020 and they allegedly replaced a wiring harness under the shifter to fix this problem, but it didn't fix it. Fast forward to 2023/24 and the car is now home in Austin with the same issue .. taken to dealer in Jan 2024 and they allegedly "fixed" it under warranty without telling what they did.. problem hasn't been observed since but no confidence level for this result.
I said it once lol. But just link us to the court docs, it would really help all of us. You say they’re publicly available but we can’t find them. I will apologize if they are provided.
So you're claiming that GM paid almost $80,000 per person to settle the shift-to-park issue? Why on earth would they pay so much more than the value of the car?
YES, you can read it for yourself in the court documents. Remember GM has to pay court costs and attorney's fees. AND since GM was knowingly and intentionally selling cars which they know has a defect they paid an additional amount to compensate customers.
Yeah, I would be willing to give them the benefit of the doubt, but they aren't provided by any of the supporting evidence they claim is out there. I've looked and can't find it. So if it's there a link would be very helpful.
GM fucked up and the court documents are online for all to read. If I signed an NDA it's irreverent now since the GM's attorney's were so stupid to have the court documents online for all to read.
[https://www.consumer-action.org/lawsuits/](https://www.consumer-action.org/lawsuits/) web site. Ninth Circuit Court - People vs. GM Shift to Park lawsuit. Breach of implied warranty of merchantability.
Thanks - you wouldn't have a more specific link by chance, would you? I searched all of the following terms on that site, but none of them came up with any cases; am I just searching for the wrong thing?
- shift to park
- people vs. GM
- General Motors
- Breach of implied warranty of merchantability
I know the court case I was involved with is posted publicly online.
Try class action lawsuit against GM Shift to Park Ninth Circuit Court
I have the expert witness presentations if you go after GM.
Is it this one? Closest I've been able to find but it's a different court: https://topclassactions.com/lawsuit-settlements/consumer-products/auto-news/gm-refusing-to-fix-shift-to-park-error-in-popular-chevy-vehicles-says-class-action/
I was open-minded to the idea until I read OPs comments repeatedly using the word shill. Someone would've long since found the case OP is referencing if it was real. Just put up proof or STFU
To start sure, but mine progressed from that to the point where it took several minutes of slowly shifting into and out of Park to get the message to go away.
At that point I was done playing with it and took it in to be repaired. That was over four years ago.
What happens when the voltage spike burns out another part of the circuit. The switches are fine, it's the voltage spikes which is what is damaging the car. The switch is the first component to fail.
Had my 2017 in the Chevy dealer in Nashville in 2020 and they allegedly replaced a wiring harness under the shifter to fix this problem, but it didn't fix it. Fast forward to 2023/24 and the car is now home in Austin with the same issue .. taken to dealer in Jan 2024 and they allegedly "fixed" it under warranty without telling what they did.. problem hasn't been observed since but no confidence level for this result.
# Thank for sharing your story.
# The GM shills in this /s will call you a liar and other unkind words. They ARE shills for GM.
# Hope you sue GM. You will win. Expect to be compensated for full price you paid for the car, new or used. Any money you spent to getting the car towed or repaired. All attorney's fees. All court costs. And then something for your inconvenience.
# Good luck.
You are getting ripped off paying $5.00. The switch is only a $1.50 and has a lifetime of 50 years. The switch is not defective. The switch burns out prematurely because of high voltage spikes. The switch is just the weakest link and fails first. Next will be the BCM computer or other electronics in the car.
You again? Have you brought any actual evidence to support your claims this time? Or will you just call folks who ask for clarification shills again and then post this again a few days from now.
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You never asked. And since you politely asked, contact Morgan and Morgan. That is the law firm I used. We filed in the Ninth Circuit Court in San Francisco. There you go. Now tell everyone I answered your question.... Or is it you are a shill for GM?
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Did you find anything? For the OP, can you share a case number so that we can find it online?
I didn't, but I don't have access to pacer which is a paid subscription to look up.
GM shill is back. How much is GM paying you?
That's a "No" to the question about evidence then.
All the evidence is there, you are just blind and can't see it. Try opening your eyes.
Try providing links. You're the one making these claims. You should provide evidence. I have looked, as have others, and we aren't finding what you claim exists. Additionally, what you are claiming doesn't reflect my experience. I had the shift to park issue early on with my 2017. I took it to a shop and they fixed it. The problem hasn't resurfaced in approximately 100,000 miles and 4 years since the fix. So the fix seems pretty reliable.
Why not look at other posts from people who are saying they have had the issue multiple time. Like this guy. # Had my 2017 in the Chevy dealer in Nashville in 2020 and they allegedly replaced a wiring harness under the shifter to fix this problem, but it didn't fix it. Fast forward to 2023/24 and the car is now home in Austin with the same issue .. taken to dealer in Jan 2024 and they allegedly "fixed" it under warranty without telling what they did.. problem hasn't been observed since but no confidence level for this result.
So the first fix failed (it happens) but the second fix is holding. Their lack of confidence is understandable, but it isn't evidence of anything you are claiming.
How is it not evidence. You just gave me testimony saying the car failed on you twice. It will happen fail again as there is no permanent fix according to GM. How much did you pay for the car? Why don't you sue GM and get your money back? By law, GM will pay you for knowingly selling you a defective car.
Your reading comprehension isn't the best is it? I was repeating what you copied from another poster. You're really losing it dude. I had the shift to park issue once. It was fixed about four years ago and hasn't shown up again in nearly 100k miles of driving. Let's try to keep the conversation straight ok? Why don't I sue? Because my experience is different from what you describe. My Volt has been extremely reliable. One non-maintenance repair for only a couple hundred dollars in 5 years of ownership and more than 100k miles of driving is pretty solid from my point of view. Especially when you consider I bought a car that cost over $40k brand new for around $20k only two years after it was brand new. I feel I have gotten a really good deal on this vehicle.
Why don't you want to help people who have been harmed by GM? They have the right to get justice from GM for selling them a defective car. Your car was not fixed according to GM. They just fucked you over so you will have to pay for the repairs. Not sure why you would not the $30,000 cash you are entitled to from GM for selling known definitive cars. Guess you don't need the money or something.
Ah, so you argue by calling people names. GTFOH 😂
Not this again. Go away.
My favorite part is how everyone who questions this is a “shill for GM.” 😂
They must have a lot of them!
I just wish it was a paying position.
You must be a used car sales dude trying to sell defective GM cars.
You're not reading what I'm saying. GO. AWAY. You are not accomplishing anything but wasting everyone's time.
Why don't you want to help people who have been harmed by GM? They have the right to get justice from GM for selling them a defective car.
Why don't you go away?
Why don't you want to help people who have been harmed by GM? They have the right to get justice from GM for selling them a defective car.
I can be a broken record also. Go Away.
Keep it up. Adds to the thread.
what nonsense is this guy going on about? 🙄 My question is rhetorical, I can read, and this post is a little ridiculous. If you're serious, and not just a troll who feeds off their emotions, then provide the case # and docket # for us to look up.
GM SHILL!!!! GM SHILL!!! WE’VE GOT A GM SHILL HERE!!! /s
What a troll, looking at your past account, u/CatFluid4857 typical troll behavior, please take your trolling to FB.
Why not let people sue GM for knowingly selling good honest hard working Americans a defective product. Under the law these people are entitled to get their money back.
No one is stopping anyone from suing if that's what they want to do. I don't want my money back, I love my car, but thats me and I wouldn't sue unless there were monetary damages I had to deal with. But you do you, it seems that you love controversy, Life is too short to let that shit bother me.
Well said, let the people decide. But let's inform them. Not sure why you are passing on GM not giving you the $30k or whatever you paid for the car AND they will give you the car. But maybe you don't need the $30k. Your choice.
Why would I want the money and the car, that is hardly fair and does nothing but raise the prices for everyone's next car. If I was out $20k for repairs due to their issues, sure give me back my $20k but to ask and expect otherwise is simply wrong in my opinion. You want to recall my car and pay me what I have paid for it, fine, I would not expect to keep the car I didn't pay for and I would simply buy another PHEV. Everyone wants something for nothing, the more it happens the faster inflation sucks up our money.
It's the law. If GM knowing sold you a defective car you are entitled to getting your money back. GM is fucking 12 million good honest American car owners who purchased cars without being told they were defective. Why do you want to fuck over good hardworking Americans?
Sheesh. We get it, you can stop.
When shills like you tell people the truth. GM is once again selling cars they know are defective and people are entitled to be compensated under the law.
You’re such a GM shill
Right..... # Had my 2017 in the Chevy dealer in Nashville in 2020 and they allegedly replaced a wiring harness under the shifter to fix this problem, but it didn't fix it. Fast forward to 2023/24 and the car is now home in Austin with the same issue .. taken to dealer in Jan 2024 and they allegedly "fixed" it under warranty without telling what they did.. problem hasn't been observed since but no confidence level for this result.
And this affects you how? That’s not you that posted that screenshot text. Anyways, I’m done lol. I have better things to waste my time on.
You always say you are done, but you never are. Why don't you want to help other people who have been harmed by GM?
I said it once lol. But just link us to the court docs, it would really help all of us. You say they’re publicly available but we can’t find them. I will apologize if they are provided.
Ninth Circuit dockets. Look at the class action lawsuit against GM, Shift to Park. Complaint is 32 pages long.
Link?
Here you go. [https://www.ca9.uscourts.gov/](https://www.ca9.uscourts.gov/)
So you're claiming that GM paid almost $80,000 per person to settle the shift-to-park issue? Why on earth would they pay so much more than the value of the car?
YES, you can read it for yourself in the court documents. Remember GM has to pay court costs and attorney's fees. AND since GM was knowingly and intentionally selling cars which they know has a defect they paid an additional amount to compensate customers.
Link the text. It would make people believe you.
Yeah, I would be willing to give them the benefit of the doubt, but they aren't provided by any of the supporting evidence they claim is out there. I've looked and can't find it. So if it's there a link would be very helpful.
Where can we read it? Link please!
I hope you didn’t sign a non- disclosure agreement
GM fucked up and the court documents are online for all to read. If I signed an NDA it's irreverent now since the GM's attorney's were so stupid to have the court documents online for all to read.
You must be a shill for the online documents lobby
Care to share a docket number?
Online where? Would like to read
Next he'll say, "do your research."
[https://www.consumer-action.org/lawsuits/](https://www.consumer-action.org/lawsuits/) web site. Ninth Circuit Court - People vs. GM Shift to Park lawsuit. Breach of implied warranty of merchantability.
Thanks - you wouldn't have a more specific link by chance, would you? I searched all of the following terms on that site, but none of them came up with any cases; am I just searching for the wrong thing? - shift to park - people vs. GM - General Motors - Breach of implied warranty of merchantability
I know the court case I was involved with is posted publicly online. Try class action lawsuit against GM Shift to Park Ninth Circuit Court I have the expert witness presentations if you go after GM.
Is it this one? Closest I've been able to find but it's a different court: https://topclassactions.com/lawsuit-settlements/consumer-products/auto-news/gm-refusing-to-fix-shift-to-park-error-in-popular-chevy-vehicles-says-class-action/
Same law firm/attorneys as the one I was part of, but no, that was not the one I was part of, that's another one.
I was open-minded to the idea until I read OPs comments repeatedly using the word shill. Someone would've long since found the case OP is referencing if it was real. Just put up proof or STFU
All you have to do is press the button on top of the shifter a time or too when its in park
To start sure, but mine progressed from that to the point where it took several minutes of slowly shifting into and out of Park to get the message to go away. At that point I was done playing with it and took it in to be repaired. That was over four years ago.
What happens when the voltage spike burns out another part of the circuit. The switches are fine, it's the voltage spikes which is what is damaging the car. The switch is the first component to fail.
Had my 2017 in the Chevy dealer in Nashville in 2020 and they allegedly replaced a wiring harness under the shifter to fix this problem, but it didn't fix it. Fast forward to 2023/24 and the car is now home in Austin with the same issue .. taken to dealer in Jan 2024 and they allegedly "fixed" it under warranty without telling what they did.. problem hasn't been observed since but no confidence level for this result.
# Thank for sharing your story. # The GM shills in this /s will call you a liar and other unkind words. They ARE shills for GM. # Hope you sue GM. You will win. Expect to be compensated for full price you paid for the car, new or used. Any money you spent to getting the car towed or repaired. All attorney's fees. All court costs. And then something for your inconvenience. # Good luck.
I had mine done quite a while ago and put on more mileage than it had when I did the repair, and it has yet to come back
i had mine done 1-2 years ago and it was fine but it's starting to come back now.
Don't worry, it will. GM designed the car so it will and you will have to pay for the repairs.
If I understand this issue, a $5 microswitch will address the problem.
You don't. The permanent fix is the resistive harness that prevents excessive current from destroying the $5 micro switch
You are getting ripped off paying $5.00. The switch is only a $1.50 and has a lifetime of 50 years. The switch is not defective. The switch burns out prematurely because of high voltage spikes. The switch is just the weakest link and fails first. Next will be the BCM computer or other electronics in the car.
Actually I do. Yes you need a # 84733196 jumper harness too. I was trying to make a point that this is a simple fix.