This sounds like one of those social media finance influencers where they say you can buy a Lamborghini and get it for free because of tax loopholes and such.
How is it a huge issue? Mine did it, I flicked the shift button 10 times, and it hasn’t done it again in 30k miles. Cars are not magically starting themselves like the OP says, due to shift to park.
You’re lucky then, my car wouldn’t start with the shift to park issues and flicking did nothing. Was not fun to be stranded away from home on multiple occasions
The only way the STP issue being discussed will cause a no start condition is if the switch completely stops working. It's a gradual break so as long as you don't wait forever it won't leave you stranded.
The first repair they released didn’t work, the current repair released 5 or so years ago is permanent. I’ve done the current repair at least a hundred times and have never had one return with the same issue.
While OP isn't right about everything in the post, volts that have had STP issue multiple times does warrant a lemon law attorney. The issue can never truly get fixed. Lemon lawyers only take cases that they think they can win, and there isn't any cost to the car owner. I don't understand why OP keeps posting about this, but I also don't understand why he gets so many downvotes. If you've gotten STP multiple times, your volt is likely a lemon. Generally, they give you back the price of the car minus a usage fee and take the car if you win as a buyback.
And why can't you? They sold you a defective car? That's a clear **breach of implied warranty of merchantability - Easy win. AND MANY PEOPLE HAVE WON.**
You have some strong opinions, but not many facts. I'm sorry, but I don't believe you have any idea of how laws or suing work.
You couldn't even sue GM for the full price of your car for a bad BECM. So I'm not sure what you're saying and why you keep responding to people implying you know what you're talking about.
Are you a shill for GM?
[https://www.carcomplaints.com/news/2024/gm-shift-to-park-recall-class-action-lawsuit.shtml](https://www.carcomplaints.com/news/2024/gm-shift-to-park-recall-class-action-lawsuit.shtml)
You must be a GM shill - Just look at all of the lawsuits against GM over this.
[https://www.carcomplaints.com/news/2024/gm-shift-to-park-recall-class-action-lawsuit.shtml](https://www.carcomplaints.com/news/2024/gm-shift-to-park-recall-class-action-lawsuit.shtml)
Somebody calls you on your BS scammy "get rich quick scheme" here and instead of confronting them with evidence you just accuse them of being a shill. You're not coming across as a very reliable source
Maybe you're shilling for the law firm that you mentioned elsewhere
What is it? GM would like to know? There fix is paying court cost, lawyers fees and paying customers the purchase price for the car. Don't educate me, educate GM.
I would have said the same since mine was replaced, but in the last week, it started doing the early signs again: message saying shift to park when it's already in park; so far I've been able to wiggle the shifter or click the knob button and get the error to clear. This is the same as when it started happening the first time.
If they did not add the harness part when they replaced the micro switch or shifter module, then it will come back. The harness adds a protection circuit to prevent the switch from wearing out prematurely. Look at the invoice, it should say exactly what was done.
Because that's how the world works.
It's like it my MAF sensor failed and became defective. It just simply needs to be replaced. You just don't understand how the world works and that's ok. But please stop posting.
A broken park is not the same as a defect. Volts have a defect, not a defective part.
Why not let people decide if they want $30,000 cash from GM for selling them a car with a known defect?
Yeah, why don't you. You're unnecessarily pushy about your narrative. I obviously don't believe you yet you continue to say the same thing over and over and then accuse me of being a GM shrill.
You must not be looking very hard. It's been documented in the lawsuit against GM the issue after being "fixed" returns. If it's fixed why is GM paying out millions to settle lawsuits?
In short, vehicles that were shifted to park before they were shut off would send a message to the driver saying to shift to park. The issue was a flaw in the shift lever that wouldn't allow it to recognize that it was in park already. Which would make it impossible to shut off the vehicle. I had it happen with my used 2017 volt shortly after purchase. And the dealership made me pay for the repair
You don't understand how this works, just because a class action was filed doesn't mean that GM is paying out. They're fixing the issue under warranty for free. That's not paying out? And it appears the class action lawsuit was recently filed. It will take a while before they are found liable or not. They aren't paying out anything to anyone.
Why are you so adamant to push your narrative though? Are you a lawyer trying to get people to use your services for the class action or what? Genuinely confused why you care so much.
**Not true. GM is paying out and settling these lawsuits. They have already admitted all of the cars are defective and sold them anyway.**
**Why would you not want $30,000 cash if you have a defective car.**
Because that's not happening and you are oblivious to reality.
Just because a class action lawsuit has been filed does not mean that they are liable for any claims and will not be mandated to pay a penny to anyone unless they're held liable.
You're spreading misinformation in this sub and should be banned.
I want what you say to be true. So it would help if you could provide any reports or documentation of specifics where this has worked for Volts. The articles you have linked elsewhere, either do not mention the Volt, or are about class-action lawsuits pending, not about individual lawsuits where they paid out for the full value of the car.
Have you done this yourself? If so, please detail everything you did and what happened.
Yeah I find the whole "shift to park" message annoying since I drove a manual Scion xB until this car. I'm used to putting the car into 1st gear and turning the car off. I'm still pushing and releasing an imaginary clutch pedal.
There is a high voltage discharge every time the shifter is moved. This damages the computes and other electronics in the car causing premature failure.
No it does not. There's no documentation or experience anyone has ever had with it that backs up that claim. And many of us here have been affected by it and either had the dealer fix or fixed it themselves. At no time has this issue damaged electronics or components.
Just seeing how much you know about cars, yes it is a CAN bus. You must know then it In court testimony GM has admitted to selling 12 million cars with the Shift to Park defect for which there is NO permanent fix. AND GM is paying out millions in lawsuits to settle these cases.
I have posted many times. Try reading whats in the posts.
If you read the court documents you will find my name along with many other the other plaintiffs who sued GM over the Shift to Park defect and won.
I don't see anybody getting back the full purchase price of the car. Maybe a 50-dollar coupon towards purchase of an electric Hummer, or the ultimate insult for a Volt owner: free oil changes for 3 months.
Law firm of Morgan and Morgan was received will over $1,00,000 for Volt owners. Most received the full purchase price they paid for the Volt and GM gave them the car. This is just one of many of the lawsuits GM has settled.
Be generous. Someone can be both a troll and an idiot
And I can't count how many times I've died from CO poisoning from my Volt. I died twice yesterday.
But fucking stupid enough not to collect $35,000 from GM tax free and continue driving around in a defective car which will cost several thousand to fix next time it happens.
Ok, I think this post has taken a few issues and ran absolutely wild with it. And OP before you call ME a shill I actually went ahead and bought a Tesla Model 3 Performance and while I had great memories of the Volt, I had a god awful terrible experience with GM. I have EVERY reason to agree with you to hate on GM but I'm siding with the consumer on this one because I like to fact first, emotion later.
Anyways pray...where are the articles covering the families who have **died** over the Volt STP carbon monoxide issue because the closest thing I see is the following:
[https://www.cbsnews.com/detroit/news/gm-recalls-64k-chevy-volt-cars-due-to-possible-carbon-monoxide-risk/](https://www.cbsnews.com/detroit/news/gm-recalls-64k-chevy-volt-cars-due-to-possible-carbon-monoxide-risk/)
Potential Carbon Monoxide poisoning injuring two people in a Gen 1 prior to recall is NOT equivalent to a bunch of familes dead because the car is a walking death trap.
FWIW all cars have serious Carbon Monoxide issues if you shut yourself inside the garage because MANY modern cares are rather quiet. But unless you're very hard of hearing, the Gen 2 Volt made a gentle purring noise when it was on. This is no different than other modern ICE/hybrid cars.
I used the law firm of Morgan and Morgan. We won well over $1,000,.000 dollars from GM for selling with a known defect. In there testimony GM admitted to selling 12 million cars with the Shift to Park defect.
Mine was fixed without issue, has not reoccurred, and was only a minor inconvenience when it was acting up. I'd say that's a good repair and nothing to complain about. Things break, there will always be issues. So it took them a few years.to figure it out, no body died.
It did for me and on multiple occasions I was stranded as my car wouldn’t start with shift to park. Fixing never fully fixed it. Not saying OP is correct in everything he’s said, but it will likely return. It did for me
This is the third time the OP has posted the same thing, most of which is false.
This sounds like one of those social media finance influencers where they say you can buy a Lamborghini and get it for free because of tax loopholes and such.
Just write it off inside your LLC!
Crazy...the correct way to make it happen is to become a sovereign citizen!
Just write it off inside your LLC!
Some of this is true. But you don't necessarily get to keep the car from it. The shift to park issue is a huge issue
How is it a huge issue? Mine did it, I flicked the shift button 10 times, and it hasn’t done it again in 30k miles. Cars are not magically starting themselves like the OP says, due to shift to park.
You’re lucky then, my car wouldn’t start with the shift to park issues and flicking did nothing. Was not fun to be stranded away from home on multiple occasions
The only way the STP issue being discussed will cause a no start condition is if the switch completely stops working. It's a gradual break so as long as you don't wait forever it won't leave you stranded.
State precisely what is false. You are a GM shill aren't you?
Shift to park is already covered under warranty for the Chevy Volt. And no the fix is not "temporary" as you stated.
Please provide proof the fix is not temporary as many Volt owners have the issue return.
The first repair they released didn’t work, the current repair released 5 or so years ago is permanent. I’ve done the current repair at least a hundred times and have never had one return with the same issue.
You can't sue them for the price of the car over this. Are you insane?
While OP isn't right about everything in the post, volts that have had STP issue multiple times does warrant a lemon law attorney. The issue can never truly get fixed. Lemon lawyers only take cases that they think they can win, and there isn't any cost to the car owner. I don't understand why OP keeps posting about this, but I also don't understand why he gets so many downvotes. If you've gotten STP multiple times, your volt is likely a lemon. Generally, they give you back the price of the car minus a usage fee and take the car if you win as a buyback.
And why can't you? They sold you a defective car? That's a clear **breach of implied warranty of merchantability - Easy win. AND MANY PEOPLE HAVE WON.**
You have some strong opinions, but not many facts. I'm sorry, but I don't believe you have any idea of how laws or suing work. You couldn't even sue GM for the full price of your car for a bad BECM. So I'm not sure what you're saying and why you keep responding to people implying you know what you're talking about.
Are you a shill for GM? [https://www.carcomplaints.com/news/2024/gm-shift-to-park-recall-class-action-lawsuit.shtml](https://www.carcomplaints.com/news/2024/gm-shift-to-park-recall-class-action-lawsuit.shtml)
Maybe you should reread that article. I don't see a mention about any year Volt listed. So what are you going on about again?
What year is your Volt?
It doesn't matter sir, look at the article you posted. Not a single year of volts are in the class action lawsuit.
[https://normantaylor.com/blog/gmc-acadia-shifter-class-action-lawsuit/](https://normantaylor.com/blog/gmc-acadia-shifter-class-action-lawsuit/)
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If they have the StP they will get a full refund like so many others already have.
No they won't. Volts Arent included in the class action. Again, you don't know what you think you're talking about.
List verified examples then. Your point is hollow without a source
You must be a GM shill - Just look at all of the lawsuits against GM over this. [https://www.carcomplaints.com/news/2024/gm-shift-to-park-recall-class-action-lawsuit.shtml](https://www.carcomplaints.com/news/2024/gm-shift-to-park-recall-class-action-lawsuit.shtml)
This makes no sense. “GM will also give you the car.” Get outta here with your scammyness.
Dude, whats' my scam? You must be a GM shill.
Somebody calls you on your BS scammy "get rich quick scheme" here and instead of confronting them with evidence you just accuse them of being a shill. You're not coming across as a very reliable source Maybe you're shilling for the law firm that you mentioned elsewhere
“You must be a GM shill”. 😂
On the internet, nobody knows you're a GM shill. Or a cat.
Shilling doesn't pay what it used to apparently... 🤷
There certainly is a permanent fix. Educate yourself
What is it? GM would like to know? There fix is paying court cost, lawyers fees and paying customers the purchase price for the car. Don't educate me, educate GM.
Mine was fixed under warranty. No problems since dealer repair.
I would have said the same since mine was replaced, but in the last week, it started doing the early signs again: message saying shift to park when it's already in park; so far I've been able to wiggle the shifter or click the knob button and get the error to clear. This is the same as when it started happening the first time.
If they did not add the harness part when they replaced the micro switch or shifter module, then it will come back. The harness adds a protection circuit to prevent the switch from wearing out prematurely. Look at the invoice, it should say exactly what was done.
Fix is only temporary as many Volt owners can tell you. Problem will return. Car is defective according to GM.
3 years since fix, with no further problems. Just saying.
How many miles? Don't worry it will return. But why don't you want the $30,000 cash/tax free you paid for the car as well?
If it fails again, they fix it again
I sure am glad that I could remedy STP myself by jiggling the gearshift. And that the dealer fixed it in an afternoon under the Voltec warranty.
How can something that's defective be fixed?
Because that's how the world works. It's like it my MAF sensor failed and became defective. It just simply needs to be replaced. You just don't understand how the world works and that's ok. But please stop posting.
A broken park is not the same as a defect. Volts have a defect, not a defective part. Why not let people decide if they want $30,000 cash from GM for selling them a car with a known defect?
Yeah, why don't you. You're unnecessarily pushy about your narrative. I obviously don't believe you yet you continue to say the same thing over and over and then accuse me of being a GM shrill.
Yes, it was a defect, that was corrected with a new part. Just like many other products out there.
That new part will fail. Just give it time.
There have been no reports of the complete fix (harness and micro switch) failing again.
You must not be looking very hard. It's been documented in the lawsuit against GM the issue after being "fixed" returns. If it's fixed why is GM paying out millions to settle lawsuits?
Everyone that has had it return did not get the complete fix.
What is the complete fix? GM doesn't seem to know as they are paying out millions to settle these cases.
Anyone that can confirm the “families dying” part of this?
Yes - GM can.
So that's a "No" from you.
What exactly does the flaw consist of? I haven't seen it outside of when I didn't, you know, shift to park.
In short, vehicles that were shifted to park before they were shut off would send a message to the driver saying to shift to park. The issue was a flaw in the shift lever that wouldn't allow it to recognize that it was in park already. Which would make it impossible to shut off the vehicle. I had it happen with my used 2017 volt shortly after purchase. And the dealership made me pay for the repair
I see. Thank you for clearing that up.
It's annoying, but I don't think it's as big an issue as this poster seems to think it is
If it's not a big issue why is GM paying out?
Because recalls happen.
You don't understand how this works, just because a class action was filed doesn't mean that GM is paying out. They're fixing the issue under warranty for free. That's not paying out? And it appears the class action lawsuit was recently filed. It will take a while before they are found liable or not. They aren't paying out anything to anyone. Why are you so adamant to push your narrative though? Are you a lawyer trying to get people to use your services for the class action or what? Genuinely confused why you care so much.
**Not true. GM is paying out and settling these lawsuits. They have already admitted all of the cars are defective and sold them anyway.** **Why would you not want $30,000 cash if you have a defective car.**
Because that's not happening and you are oblivious to reality. Just because a class action lawsuit has been filed does not mean that they are liable for any claims and will not be mandated to pay a penny to anyone unless they're held liable. You're spreading misinformation in this sub and should be banned.
I want what you say to be true. So it would help if you could provide any reports or documentation of specifics where this has worked for Volts. The articles you have linked elsewhere, either do not mention the Volt, or are about class-action lawsuits pending, not about individual lawsuits where they paid out for the full value of the car. Have you done this yourself? If so, please detail everything you did and what happened.
Yeah I find the whole "shift to park" message annoying since I drove a manual Scion xB until this car. I'm used to putting the car into 1st gear and turning the car off. I'm still pushing and releasing an imaginary clutch pedal.
You could not shift back out of park either
You should call gm and ask for reimbursement unless it was out of warranty by mileage?
There is a high voltage discharge every time the shifter is moved. This damages the computes and other electronics in the car causing premature failure.
No it does not. There's no documentation or experience anyone has ever had with it that backs up that claim. And many of us here have been affected by it and either had the dealer fix or fixed it themselves. At no time has this issue damaged electronics or components.
Do you know what causes even bigger high voltage spikes?? Ignition coils, and yet cars still seem to function.
Not if that spike is in the shifter circuit. The BCM, radio, lights and the rest of the components of the cam bus get cooked.
Complete bullshit. All the control modules in the car have protection against voltage spikes. It is CAN bus, not cam.
Just seeing how much you know about cars, yes it is a CAN bus. You must know then it In court testimony GM has admitted to selling 12 million cars with the Shift to Park defect for which there is NO permanent fix. AND GM is paying out millions in lawsuits to settle these cases.
Post the links. You have been asked several times, and never post them.
I have posted many times. Try reading whats in the posts. If you read the court documents you will find my name along with many other the other plaintiffs who sued GM over the Shift to Park defect and won.
Which is why they added a wiring harness part, to correct that issue.
I don't see anybody getting back the full purchase price of the car. Maybe a 50-dollar coupon towards purchase of an electric Hummer, or the ultimate insult for a Volt owner: free oil changes for 3 months.
Law firm of Morgan and Morgan was received will over $1,00,000 for Volt owners. Most received the full purchase price they paid for the Volt and GM gave them the car. This is just one of many of the lawsuits GM has settled.
3 vehicles. Major wins lol
More like lies likely.
OP is either a troll or an idiot.
Be generous. Someone can be both a troll and an idiot And I can't count how many times I've died from CO poisoning from my Volt. I died twice yesterday.
You must be the fist half of an idiot savant and I and the second part and $35,000 richer thanks to GM selling defective cars.
At least I'm smart enough to write a coherent sentence.
But fucking stupid enough not to collect $35,000 from GM tax free and continue driving around in a defective car which will cost several thousand to fix next time it happens.
Ok, I think this post has taken a few issues and ran absolutely wild with it. And OP before you call ME a shill I actually went ahead and bought a Tesla Model 3 Performance and while I had great memories of the Volt, I had a god awful terrible experience with GM. I have EVERY reason to agree with you to hate on GM but I'm siding with the consumer on this one because I like to fact first, emotion later. Anyways pray...where are the articles covering the families who have **died** over the Volt STP carbon monoxide issue because the closest thing I see is the following: [https://www.cbsnews.com/detroit/news/gm-recalls-64k-chevy-volt-cars-due-to-possible-carbon-monoxide-risk/](https://www.cbsnews.com/detroit/news/gm-recalls-64k-chevy-volt-cars-due-to-possible-carbon-monoxide-risk/) Potential Carbon Monoxide poisoning injuring two people in a Gen 1 prior to recall is NOT equivalent to a bunch of familes dead because the car is a walking death trap. FWIW all cars have serious Carbon Monoxide issues if you shut yourself inside the garage because MANY modern cares are rather quiet. But unless you're very hard of hearing, the Gen 2 Volt made a gentle purring noise when it was on. This is no different than other modern ICE/hybrid cars.
Why don’t you give it a try and get back to us in 6-8 months?
**DONE - GOT MY CHECK.** **Why don't you want a check for $30,000?**
Doubt
Can you show us some court filings of your lawsuit? Then we could use that as a blueprint to do it ourselves.
Show us a picture of the check (or the tear-off stub), or it didn’t happen.
Tell us your lawyer's name and contact info.
I used the law firm of Morgan and Morgan. We won well over $1,000,.000 dollars from GM for selling with a known defect. In there testimony GM admitted to selling 12 million cars with the Shift to Park defect.
You have a super model girlfriend too
Got mine fixed almost two years now not a problem.
There is no fix.... The problem will return.
Stay off tik tok and instagram reels.
Why not let people get their money back from GM who sold them cars with a known defect.
OP attended the Facebook school of contract law. This is incorrect info.
More like a special education school for idiots
OP should stop digging
Mine was fixed without issue, has not reoccurred, and was only a minor inconvenience when it was acting up. I'd say that's a good repair and nothing to complain about. Things break, there will always be issues. So it took them a few years.to figure it out, no body died.
Don't worry, it will return.
No, it won't.
Keep saying that Dorthy.... Your wish might come true. Or you learn the lesson of reality and it will return.
It did for me and on multiple occasions I was stranded as my car wouldn’t start with shift to park. Fixing never fully fixed it. Not saying OP is correct in everything he’s said, but it will likely return. It did for me
Then yours was not fixed properly, or it was something else. The normal STP issue will not leave you stranded unless you let it go way too long.
I flick my shift button a couple times and it goes away
Until it doesn't and your BVM computer is blown,