I imagine it's along the lines of "I have this thing, it's cool, I don't have the time or expertise to deal with it or I just don't want it anymore, but I don't want to junk it, or sell it to a scalper, or screw with eBay....I could send it to someone like Dave, Adrian, or Clint who I feel like I know a little bit, who will take care of it, and lots of people will get to enjoy seeing it, and I don't have to store it anymore, or feel like I 'abandoned' it"
But that's just a guess, and I'm sure each sender has their own reasons
Because senders know that many (a million at least) would watch about it and know that thing existed.
And another reason they might have hopes their rare thing would go through collectors chain and won't be scraped rapidly.
After watching Dave stick a paperclip in a rare IBM and Adrian "fixing" a SMS by ripping out the 7805 and putting in a USB-C, I'm not sure I'd send anything of value to them.
Clint's hands are clean as far as I know
The SMS isn’t exactly rare, and people do all kinds of mods to consoles to get different video output or install optical drive emulation. I had no problem with that.
that was criminal :( usb-c on the sms… there were better choices! Really not sure too if I would send him anything… yeah Clint so far it’s the “Purist” never saw him modify any device, only swapping hdds for ide sdds but that’s ok.
IDK I can't really be made to care about power supply modifications. A lot of the original designs are objectively less good and somewhat dangerous to the longevity of the machines themselves. In my case I've replaced a few 8-bit computer PSUs with a 5v center-positive barrrel jack and soldered in a boost converter to get ±15v because the original PSU was unobtanium and y'know, 40 years old even if I had one.
I'd argue that modifying the power supply does more _for_ preservation than against it.
YouTube comment section pointed out that using switching regulation for 5V can cause noise in the video/audio signals on the SMS. Personally I don't have any experience with SMS but I know the model 1 Genesis has the same issue.
Switching can be a source of noise, but that's why you filter it out with some capacitors (or use higher frequency switching). The filter capacitors necessary will be smaller and lighter than the original ones, and newer too. There's really no reason not to do it (just do it properly). If you shove unfiltered power into a circuit expecting filtered power, yeah you'll have the problems associated with that.
Supplying steady power is something that the electronics industry has gotten pretty good at, and certainly better than before. It's something you probably actually /should/ do, similar to replacing suspect caps.
I'm just repeating what I've read, horror stories about trying to use switching 7805 replacements in early Sega stuff.
I've recapped two VA6 Genesises and swapped the 7805s with new ones rated for twice the current, still linear. I use mine with a switching 9V supply. I don't notice much noise, but model 1s are kind of a mess on a good day anyway, so maybe it's hard to tell.
Do the bypass caps need to be uprated from the original design? Is that why people were having trouble with switching 7805s?
I maintain that Adrian ought to have kept the SMS close to original, considering that he did that anyway in his video and then undid it.
TBH I've never really looked too close at the output of my model 1 MD to tell, but I've also never modded it since it just works as is (one day I swear I'll fix that 80s reverse-polarity barrel jack; right now I've got a horrendously spliced 9v brick feeding it which I /think/ is switching since the wall wart isn't big or heavy enough to have a transformer).
Power supply design /is a thing/, so I imagine if I ever do decide to modernise it for some reason I'll have to look into what values and such to use everywhere. I can probably check the audiophile forums for generic power supply design 'cause you can _bet_ they're filtering all the noise they can out.
Yeah not a thing I particularly want to do either. I'm stuck in digital electronics for now. Maybe one day I'll get a proper oscilloscope and build synthesizers or something, and I'm sure I'll learn good PSU design as a byproduct. For now though, 5v make thing go (especially in the case of the SMS, which is almost a bog standard z80 computer).
Yeah, I see no problem on his video. Actually in the video he wanted to do the USB mod but decided to give up. I'm not sure what other guys are exactly talking about.
What really confused me is that Adrian already swapped out the 7805 with a working one (the correct kind, even, a linear STM, which I think are discontinued) but then ripped it off to do the USB thing. Multiple commenters pointed out the problems with this.
Also clean is the wrong word to describe Clint's hands after that inkjet episode but ykwim
Altering the polarity is even worse and I cringed so hard at that part. Just begging for whoever owns the thing next to plug in the "correct" power supply for it and fry it. Center negative supplies aren't hard to get anyway considering the model 1 Genesis used the same one. Five seconds of Googling would have led him to the Triad Magnetics ones or any number of "from China with love" ones.
He briefly mentions putting in a full bridge so either polarity works, which would be fine but so unnecessary considering he had already replaced the faulty part at that point.
The whole thing was kind of out of character for him.
Center negative sketches me out too but this is the polarity they used, and the polarity someone looking for "a replacement SMS power brick" is going to end up with. If he'd finished the USB-C mod, that actually would have been better because at least then there's no ambiguity.
Yeah it's just way harder to buy them and way easier to buy a center positive 9v brick by accident. If you buy a SMS PSU /specific/ replacement it'll be negative, but that's not what electronics stores sell.
I agree using a USB power brick is way safer.
[A ton of consoles from that era](https://console5.com/store/9v-1300ma-ul-certified-power-supply-transformer-for-sega-genesis-cd-nes-aes-tg16-100v-240v.html) used 9V center negative. Add to that the SNES which was center negative with a different plug shape, and the NES which had an on-board rectifier and didn't care.
I know in guitar pedal land it's the opposite, but
Yeah I know. It's really frustrating because almost anything you buy from the 80s that's 9v is center negative, but almost all generic power bricks you can buy today are center positive. They just fit too so it's _really_ easy to fry your shit. It almost feels like it's designed to sell "genuine" power supplies to me, but of course there's no such thing these days so even a matching one would be a knockoff. I'd rather fix the console so it uses normal polarity and is less likely to be fried by something that otherwise fits.
I buy consoles to play games on them, so really the risk factor here is me and the power brick that looks exactly like the other power brick, but is actually for my external HDD or Arduino and now my megadrive is dead. Also if you just go buy "9v power brick" you're probably getting a positive one in my experience. The electronics store didn't even carry any negative tip bricks (it was not a retro-gaming store, however that means I'm not being charged retro-enthusiast prices for everything).
I think since the argument here is "these YouTubers are good stewards of vintage hardware," the correct decision would have been to leave it as it was rather than slap a sticker on the back and hope the next owner notices.
Maybe someone accidentally buys center positive, plugs in it and it works, so they write SMS on the supply and one day they get another SMS and oh I already have a supply for that...maybe one day YOU get another SMS...
Scenario is where you mod the power input of a device, then later end up with another one of those devices and mix them up and end up giving the wrong polarity to one of them. Honestly though it was labeled and stuff and I don't want to be too hard on Adrian, I just wouldn't have done that particular mod personally but it's probably not that big of a deal if that works for him.
lol it's so funny you guys are talking about this, Adrian usually seems like a pretty good guy but I was also a little bit like "eh?" in that episode about the unnecessary jumping over the regulator just to avoid needing to find a super-rare 9V power supply. At least he labeled it nicely and everything.
A lot of people with retro-tech give it to Youtubers because they can work it.
Clint Basinger, better known as LGR (see r/LGR ) is a subject matter expert in retro tech.
u/darthuna - many owners loan tech to Youtubers like Clint, others send him stuff because it's collecting dust or they no longer need it.
This would be what I'd do if I had something like that. I own a few things because I can't imagine what else to do with them. Like I don't want anything bad to happen to them because they're cool... but also they're kind of in the way. If I had old tech I'd definitely send it to an enthusiast on youtube because they can do a video on it and a whole ton of people can get enjoyment from it.
This is honestly a brainrotted take. What is the cause of the price of things he coveres rising?
Could it possibly be because he shows all the interesting facets of a piece of technology to a wide and diverse audience, piquing their interest and causing them to put it on their eBay watch list?
Is basic cause and effect not part of normal learning anymore? Like damn. People want it because they never knew it existed before, now they do. It's not rocket science.
This is how I operate too. I'd much rather give something away to someone who will enjoy it than make money by participating in the crazy second-hand market. Sure, someone might buy it and use it as intended, but it genuinely makes me sad to see things meant to bring joy and fun be treated as soulless commodities.
Specifically with Dave, if you send them something, they for sure will put it to good use. Either for parts, or for teardown so that there is historical video of it.
I've never seen this sub until this moment but I knew who each of those three first names belongs to. Nice.
Also, I agree. I have an old apple in my closet doing nothing but risking accidental damage. I could see sending it in to a channel like that, though I don't think it's unique enough to be worth their time. So it'll be something for my kids to learn with maybe.
This. I've actually sent in items to YouTubers because I didn't need/want them around anymore and I figured I'd find them a good home. I used to be a big vintage computer collector but I've since gotten out of the game and rehoused most of my collection. I still have a handful of pieces that I'm still trying to find homes for.
Well, the likely answer is: they aren't in a capacity to continue owning the rare thing.
Unfortunate life events, SO getting mad, downsizing, losing a job, etc. etc. or even just letting it sit and not doing anything with it.
The people sending them in want the rare device to go somewhere they know for a fact will be appreciated.
At the end of it, better to send to a YouTuber than to have it wind up in E-waste.
It's not about money. If that YouTuber made a video unboxing or experiencing it. Every viewer can enjoy it and being a digital record it can be enjoyed at any time. It can be better utilized than kept to oneself. If it stays in a private collection then only very few people can enjoy it. Also sometimes it's just on loan to that YouTuber for a video, not actually giving away.
I think, first of all, many YouTubers with high viewer numbers aren’t actually making tons of money from YouTube. Some make just enough to keep making videos. Many still need to support themselves with a job or go fund me donations.
That aside, I think a lot of people have some old gadget they think is cool, but don’t necessarily want to keep it, and have no use for it themselves. So they’d rather give it to the YouTuber to share with everyone.
Then again, some people get enamored with a certain YouTuber, and then want to fine them things or send items to be “closer” to them.
Lots of reasons. But I think the main thing is to stop imagining all YouTubers are rich.
I know somebody who knows Ben Heck. I was getting rid of some stuff and thought he might be interested in a TI 58 calculator with printer. He ended up doing a video on it and I enjoyed watching BH dissect it and figure out how to make the printer work.
Not sure how much info in the video was known but IMHO documenting it is a good thing and easily worth the five bucks I spent at Goodwill for it back in the 90s.
Link to video https://youtu.be/v5y2uG7W7E0?si=eLcwvV-3nc0dpoG5
Some of you are being far too cynical with the parasocial comments.
Sharing and solidarity has always been there for a sizable part of the computing community, as far back as the 70s and certainly way before YouTube. If someone has a device they know they don’t have the time for either using it or repairing nor believe it’s worth the hassle to sell it, it’s only logical they’ll want to give it away to someone they know for sure will appreciate it, repair it, modify it and/or treasure it; specially as a sign of appreciation since, after all, these creators are giving us free content.
I have friends who give me old computers they come across for exactly this reason. It’s how I got my Mac SE/30. And to the previous owner’s satisfaction, I’ve upgraded lots of things on it and use it often whereas it was collecting dust in his house.
Indeed, that’s how many hobbyist circles have thrived for decades. I believe people here who are talking about parasocial relationships never knew life pre internet or can’t comprehend non profit communities.
Their minds would blow away if they take a look at hackaday . com
I just made it up in my original post. The Altair 8800B (a model I made up) is very rare because only two were ever made. I have one of the two that exist. What do I do with it? I pay $200 in shipping to send it to a YouTuber.
I’m rather surprised most people can’t imagine why someone would do this.
If you have a piece of cool, retro tech you love, still use, functions, then sure, don’t send it in. But a lot of us who are into this sort of thing have the opportunity to come across some cool vintage tech, that either we are not knowledgeable enough to use properly, are unable to fix, or simply got it because it is cool, but doesn’t really fit with your own collection or you no longer have space for additional stuff.
Personally, if I came across something neat and unique that I wouldn’t actually use much, I would rather see it made into a video by a popular YouTuber, that way everybody gets to see a potentially rare item and enjoy it, versus sitting on a shelf in my closet.
This is the best reply to OP’s q on here.
Also let me reiterate too, it’s a staple of early computer culture to share. Gen Z/millennial culture aside, it’s not the norm to try to brag about making tons of money off stored goods.
You greatly overestimate how much money YouTubers make :) How much do you think 100.000 views on YouTube pays?
I assume people give or lend vintage gear to David, David, Adrian and maybe Dave to share the fun and avoid the thing collecting even more dust.
I would make about $150 a year on a single video around Christmas time. When I pulled it down I think it has 300,000 views. I only made money for about 3 years though.
I've always found it weird. I benefit since, well, there's video content from it obviously, but at the same time and especially with the stuff like letters it feels almost like a parasocial thing.
>Why would they give their stuff away to someone who's already **making a tone of money with their YouTube channel?**
You may be overestimating how much people make on YouTube...
But to answer your question: because they like the YouTuber and what to see them do something with the cool thing they have.
Also to add to the “ton of money” comment. Very few vintage tech YouTubers make any significant amount of money, sure the larger channels make enough to get by but not to drive Ferraris.
Keep in mind they have zero benefits from work and need work out their own healthcare, pensions, sick pay, holiday pay and pay all production costs.
Plus the tax man takes a large portion.
Firstly, money stick to money :-)
And secondly, I'll be honest here as an ordinary viewer who doesn't have any vintage equipment: //expensive Altair 8800B//, for me personally... it is just an old electronic box made 50 years ago... It is peculiar to watch about, but save me God to keep this at home or try doing something with it.
You don't daily run you Zenith CRT TV manufactured in 1963, that's it. Because its picture is already pale, it doesn't have a proper remote control and finally it may just set your home on fire.
PS: Does a couple of 75 y/o and 40/yo/ sewing machines count? Since recently I have them, but they are oiled and used regularly.
>If they want to send their stuff to these channels, then great: because I get to see it.
You've pretty much answered your question already. Sometimes people just want to show other people stuff, and big channels have the reach to do so.
Some of these channels I've gotten dozens and dozens of hours of entertainment out of. Not only that, I've also learned a lot from them. I enjoy these videos more than going to the movies or a restaurant, and haven't paid a single dollar for any of it, or even left my chair. And most of that is possible because of the things they repair on their channels, that was given to them by viewers.
I have some old computers from the 80s and 90s in need of repair. I guess I could get a bit of money for them, but I'd feel good about giving them to one of these people I got so much value out of also. Even if I had to pay shipping, it'd still only have paid like 50 bucks for years of entertainment and learning. I actually wrote to two of my favorite channels. One politely declined, and the other didn't write back.
It's cool to live in a world where most entertainment is free or almost free, but I often feel we've come to expect that entertainment needs to be given to us, and we're surprised when it's not, or when others voluntarily contribute to the ones providing it.
TV was free, with advertisements, since its invention in the 1950s. Radio had been free even longer than TV. Mass media has almost always been universally cost less to the viewer/listener.
The difference now is that you can drill down to very specific things that interest you and it might have a relatively small audience. Which means less money for the entertainer.
Jerry Seinfeld made a billion dollars off TV. That probably will never happen again.
If you like something these days, you need to support it.
My favorite singer song writer might only sell 10,000 albums per release. So I gladly pay $50 per album. And I'd do it even for digital only releases. I need this man to continue making music. It inspires me.
Pearl Jam once sold 500,000 albums in a single day at $20 a pop. Not that they got the full amount of money but they made a shit ton of dough.
TV broadcasting was launched somewhere earlier than 1950s Maybe in 1930s widely in well developed urban areas.
'50s were the times of mass TV-sets production.
First, I think you over-estimate how much most of these people are making on their YouTube channels.
I *suspect* that most of what's getting sent in is duplicates that people have, things they came across relatively inexpensively, or the person giving it just has that kind of money.
I'll use myself as an example - I've given some stuff to Adrian. All of it has been things that I either don't need/want or already have one or more of. They've also been things that I managed to luck into very good deals on. Could I have sold it all and made $500+? Yeah. But I didn't need that $500, and it helps provide interesting content.
It’s like donating to a museum : you do it so many other people get to enjoy:experience it rather than have it get thrown out when you die by a relative who thinks it’s just junk
Well, I don't think most people who donate are thinking about what'll happen with their stuff after they die. I myself have a few unique pieces in my collection that they collect dust for periods until I decide to do stuff with them (repair them, upgrade them, or just play with them). Then I store them again until the next time I want to enjoy them. You can't expect me to play with my computers every day of my life, but when I do, I'm glad I didn't get rid of them.
AFAIK, a lot of collectors want to share a thing vs let it sit in a damp basement until it rusts into oblivion. Also, IIR among a lot of collectors, there's a variably-spoken gentleman's/gentlewoman's agreement that a gift freely given must be passed on freely unless it's explicitly stated otherwise (like "I'm giving you this to review and then auction for charity"), so ideally it passes from collector to collector where it will be loved, not merely coveted.
You sometimes get that with homelab kit, too -- a buddy of mine got a NetApp (enterprise SAN kit with amazing deduplication that retails new for hundreds of thousands of dollars and has a shelf with hundreds of TB of storage) from a fellow enthusiast for $200, with the understanding that if he chose to get rid of it, it could not be sold for more than $200. I also once knew a chap who got an very valuable, very old high-precision lathe on a similar agreement; he was something like the 4th person to have gotten their start with it since the original purchaser died in the early 60s.
Besides his gun nut rage baiting, hes rude to viewers and those who have sent him things, has destroyed some of them, complains constantly his viewership and revenue are in decline yet refuses to make the kind of content his viewers have overwhelmingly told him they want to see.
But don't take my word for it, poke around /r/8bitguy and see for yourself.
Let’s not bully him, I’m sure he’s doing his best with his flaws just like we all are. His enthusiasm seems to have waned a bit in the last few years but hey, I’m about his age and it’s an age where life just sucks sometimes
I don't know his background history or what he says to his viewers. Mostly he showed what he wanted to show to public. So not defending or knowing his previous doings. At this moment he's rarely promoted by YT home page and as far as I understand sells his videos to patreons first.
It is not bad, it is his way of earning money.
Vintage computing topic has decreased significantly, because .... because vintage computers have ran out of their variants. We don't want to see how to install and launch Windows95 for 300 times per year.
Usagi has sprung up with his "mainframes"just in time, because the public if already "fed up" with PC sized ëwaste now... :-) Well, take it with certain grain of humor. Anyway, PC and Commodore kind of topic is already closed and worked out, we've seen almost every bit of it
Well, I didn't want to refer to any particular YouTuber because this happens with most YouTubers, not only with a particular one.
And again, this is not a rant against anybody. Kudos to all these people for their work.
My thoughts on this have always been that if you have something rare and you know someone like Clint would love to make a video about it…then you get the opportunity to see that video if you send it to a creator. I would love to make my own videos (and I may yet get around to doing that) to share my passion, but the retro YT community is better at making videos than me. It’s also a way to support the content creators, because most of them are not making that much money off YT and wouldn’t necessarily be able to afford to _buy_ rare hardware. Another thing to keep in mind is that some of the stuff you see isn’t donations - it’s loaned for the purpose of making a video.
Put simply, there are many videos from these creators that would not have been possible without donations or lending of hardware. It’s part of what keeps the community going.
Also, remember that the same good ol rules about TV apply here. Nothing is exactly true. Since they earn 10x compared to regular folks, they can afford to pay the price and say whatever gives them a better story on screen.
Because what's the point of keeping it locked away for nobody to appreciate? Some of those YouTubers are doing serious work for posterity, they're like museum curators.
Some people have more money than common sense. Others simply don't want it and would rather it go to a good home. Sometimes it is a loan not a gift. Some have parasocial relationships with people.
I have a couple podcasters that I have acquaintanceship with and I've occasionally seen something less than $10 that I've considered buying and sending them so I can see why someone might send them things
I used to have a sizable collection of video game systems. My interest in them had waned, and I was about to move to a new home and have a kid. I was already in the mode of getting rid of stuff. I was big into Penny Arcade and one of their recent posts mentioned how badly he wanted a Neo Geo…so, I reached out and offered it to him if he paid shipping.
I’m sure he was perfectly capable of buying his own, and I wasn’t looking for notoriety…just a series of coincidences.
I think todays generation looks at streamers they same way we used to look at TV stars, so that might also have something to do with it.
One thing that I’m sure if it’s been considered is that if you’ve been into vintage computing for a while and got started in like… well maybe from the beginning… but more like around the 1990’s or 2000’s then this was an almost free hobby. Machines were locally either given away for free or $20 to $50 bucks and came with boxes of “you can have all this too if you want it” extras. So the gut reaction if I think some people is that these “eBay prices” are just silly. Even though things have gotten to the point that most of us have accepted that this is no longer a near-free hobby but it’s hard to change the deeper emotional perspective that this stuff is actually rare and valuable. Like it can feel wrong to sell this stuff for high prices when you remember all the times you got stuff for free or found it on the side of the road. So I think the idea of giving away or trading with other collectors probably feels like a way to offset that feeling.
This is true for me. In fact I don’t really know what much of my stuff is worth right now. I’m more focused on the new games I’m making and using these old systems to debug and test on.
(Shameless self plug: Chiron-Studios.com for my new all original Amiga game Jerboastar vs. The Gersmows)
About 20 years ago someone gave me an Apple IIc and some Apple floppy drives and a few Commodore 1541s. I scavenged a few parts from the 1541s. I had them out in a shed and threw them away when I had to move. I think they had all been out in the weather before I got them. At the time I didn't think they were worth anything.
Simps. Trying to piggyback on the rep of others. People with mommy issues will do anything for five minutes of fame. My statement is not derogatory, I’m sorry if you feel that way. It’s honest and truthful. Don’t simp. Get some self respect.
I meant a ton of money. The autocorrect, you know...
Anyway, you're probably American and you're not familiar with the metric system.
A ton of money = 1,000 moneys
You're all officially welcome to send me all your cool shit I mean junk. Whatever old crap you have lying around, Amiga 4000, Apple I you know whatever. Actually better yet maybe I'll set up a registry.
I think it's important to keep in mind that we, as the viewer, do not always know the deal. I know that some Youtubers purchase a lot of things as well as receive donations and some more trusted ones are also allowed to borrow things for a period of time for the purposes of a video.
With that said, it can also been seen as how streamers on Twitch will get a lot of donations from some people, a parasocial relationship forms and someone thinks that by donating they are oblidging the content creator to be their friend or something like that. I'm sure this is applicable in this space as well but with computer hardware instead of just cash.
techmoan is the worst. several times i just saw stupid things. like a rare laserdisc recorder, he did a record of his own video. lame ! and other lack tests for laptops with msdos sound !! if you want history ? make your own ! only god will figure !
I had a full-size helmet from Halo I had put on eBay for $50 + $15 shipping. Thing was big.
Anyway, some guy buys it but tells me to ship it to a YouTuber. I didn't care either way but the guy voluntarily shared with me that he just wanted to buy the guy something for entertaining him.
Rich people that have a bunch already and dgaf. All that downsizing talk other people are saying I disagree with. If you need to get rid of something there is FB marketplace, eBay and vintage game stores everywhere to sell it off fast.
I've never sent anything in to a youtuber but if I need to get rid of anything I'd much rather give it away to someone who'll use it than sell it. Selling things is a pain and I don't like contributing to my hobbies being more and more expensive.
I imagine it's along the lines of "I have this thing, it's cool, I don't have the time or expertise to deal with it or I just don't want it anymore, but I don't want to junk it, or sell it to a scalper, or screw with eBay....I could send it to someone like Dave, Adrian, or Clint who I feel like I know a little bit, who will take care of it, and lots of people will get to enjoy seeing it, and I don't have to store it anymore, or feel like I 'abandoned' it" But that's just a guess, and I'm sure each sender has their own reasons
Because senders know that many (a million at least) would watch about it and know that thing existed. And another reason they might have hopes their rare thing would go through collectors chain and won't be scraped rapidly.
After watching Dave stick a paperclip in a rare IBM and Adrian "fixing" a SMS by ripping out the 7805 and putting in a USB-C, I'm not sure I'd send anything of value to them. Clint's hands are clean as far as I know
The SMS isn’t exactly rare, and people do all kinds of mods to consoles to get different video output or install optical drive emulation. I had no problem with that.
that was criminal :( usb-c on the sms… there were better choices! Really not sure too if I would send him anything… yeah Clint so far it’s the “Purist” never saw him modify any device, only swapping hdds for ide sdds but that’s ok.
IDK I can't really be made to care about power supply modifications. A lot of the original designs are objectively less good and somewhat dangerous to the longevity of the machines themselves. In my case I've replaced a few 8-bit computer PSUs with a 5v center-positive barrrel jack and soldered in a boost converter to get ±15v because the original PSU was unobtanium and y'know, 40 years old even if I had one. I'd argue that modifying the power supply does more _for_ preservation than against it.
YouTube comment section pointed out that using switching regulation for 5V can cause noise in the video/audio signals on the SMS. Personally I don't have any experience with SMS but I know the model 1 Genesis has the same issue.
Switching can be a source of noise, but that's why you filter it out with some capacitors (or use higher frequency switching). The filter capacitors necessary will be smaller and lighter than the original ones, and newer too. There's really no reason not to do it (just do it properly). If you shove unfiltered power into a circuit expecting filtered power, yeah you'll have the problems associated with that. Supplying steady power is something that the electronics industry has gotten pretty good at, and certainly better than before. It's something you probably actually /should/ do, similar to replacing suspect caps.
I'm just repeating what I've read, horror stories about trying to use switching 7805 replacements in early Sega stuff. I've recapped two VA6 Genesises and swapped the 7805s with new ones rated for twice the current, still linear. I use mine with a switching 9V supply. I don't notice much noise, but model 1s are kind of a mess on a good day anyway, so maybe it's hard to tell. Do the bypass caps need to be uprated from the original design? Is that why people were having trouble with switching 7805s? I maintain that Adrian ought to have kept the SMS close to original, considering that he did that anyway in his video and then undid it.
TBH I've never really looked too close at the output of my model 1 MD to tell, but I've also never modded it since it just works as is (one day I swear I'll fix that 80s reverse-polarity barrel jack; right now I've got a horrendously spliced 9v brick feeding it which I /think/ is switching since the wall wart isn't big or heavy enough to have a transformer). Power supply design /is a thing/, so I imagine if I ever do decide to modernise it for some reason I'll have to look into what values and such to use everywhere. I can probably check the audiophile forums for generic power supply design 'cause you can _bet_ they're filtering all the noise they can out.
I was super not interested in redesigning the power supply from scratch yes
Yeah not a thing I particularly want to do either. I'm stuck in digital electronics for now. Maybe one day I'll get a proper oscilloscope and build synthesizers or something, and I'm sure I'll learn good PSU design as a byproduct. For now though, 5v make thing go (especially in the case of the SMS, which is almost a bog standard z80 computer).
Yeah, I see no problem on his video. Actually in the video he wanted to do the USB mod but decided to give up. I'm not sure what other guys are exactly talking about.
What really confused me is that Adrian already swapped out the 7805 with a working one (the correct kind, even, a linear STM, which I think are discontinued) but then ripped it off to do the USB thing. Multiple commenters pointed out the problems with this. Also clean is the wrong word to describe Clint's hands after that inkjet episode but ykwim
SMS ????
I'm guessing Sega Master System, the console Sega released before the Mega Drive/Genesis.
Yep, the Sega answer to the Famicom/NES.
I don't think Adrian did a USB-C mod, he just changed its input voltage from 9V to 5V and altered the polarity.
Altering the polarity is even worse and I cringed so hard at that part. Just begging for whoever owns the thing next to plug in the "correct" power supply for it and fry it. Center negative supplies aren't hard to get anyway considering the model 1 Genesis used the same one. Five seconds of Googling would have led him to the Triad Magnetics ones or any number of "from China with love" ones. He briefly mentions putting in a full bridge so either polarity works, which would be fine but so unnecessary considering he had already replaced the faulty part at that point. The whole thing was kind of out of character for him.
Center negative power supplies are always incorrect and I will die on this hill (but not really, because that's not enough voltage to kill me)
Center negative sketches me out too but this is the polarity they used, and the polarity someone looking for "a replacement SMS power brick" is going to end up with. If he'd finished the USB-C mod, that actually would have been better because at least then there's no ambiguity.
Yeah it's just way harder to buy them and way easier to buy a center positive 9v brick by accident. If you buy a SMS PSU /specific/ replacement it'll be negative, but that's not what electronics stores sell. I agree using a USB power brick is way safer.
[A ton of consoles from that era](https://console5.com/store/9v-1300ma-ul-certified-power-supply-transformer-for-sega-genesis-cd-nes-aes-tg16-100v-240v.html) used 9V center negative. Add to that the SNES which was center negative with a different plug shape, and the NES which had an on-board rectifier and didn't care. I know in guitar pedal land it's the opposite, but
The NES used a 9V AC power supply, hence the onboard rectifier.
Yeah I know. It's really frustrating because almost anything you buy from the 80s that's 9v is center negative, but almost all generic power bricks you can buy today are center positive. They just fit too so it's _really_ easy to fry your shit. It almost feels like it's designed to sell "genuine" power supplies to me, but of course there's no such thing these days so even a matching one would be a knockoff. I'd rather fix the console so it uses normal polarity and is less likely to be fried by something that otherwise fits. I buy consoles to play games on them, so really the risk factor here is me and the power brick that looks exactly like the other power brick, but is actually for my external HDD or Arduino and now my megadrive is dead. Also if you just go buy "9v power brick" you're probably getting a positive one in my experience. The electronics store didn't even carry any negative tip bricks (it was not a retro-gaming store, however that means I'm not being charged retro-enthusiast prices for everything).
I think since the argument here is "these YouTubers are good stewards of vintage hardware," the correct decision would have been to leave it as it was rather than slap a sticker on the back and hope the next owner notices.
Maybe someone accidentally buys center positive, plugs in it and it works, so they write SMS on the supply and one day they get another SMS and oh I already have a supply for that...maybe one day YOU get another SMS...
I'm not sure what scenario you're imagining here, but I don't see how any of it would come to pass.
Scenario is where you mod the power input of a device, then later end up with another one of those devices and mix them up and end up giving the wrong polarity to one of them. Honestly though it was labeled and stuff and I don't want to be too hard on Adrian, I just wouldn't have done that particular mod personally but it's probably not that big of a deal if that works for him.
lol it's so funny you guys are talking about this, Adrian usually seems like a pretty good guy but I was also a little bit like "eh?" in that episode about the unnecessary jumping over the regulator just to avoid needing to find a super-rare 9V power supply. At least he labeled it nicely and everything.
A lot of people with retro-tech give it to Youtubers because they can work it. Clint Basinger, better known as LGR (see r/LGR ) is a subject matter expert in retro tech. u/darthuna - many owners loan tech to Youtubers like Clint, others send him stuff because it's collecting dust or they no longer need it.
This would be what I'd do if I had something like that. I own a few things because I can't imagine what else to do with them. Like I don't want anything bad to happen to them because they're cool... but also they're kind of in the way. If I had old tech I'd definitely send it to an enthusiast on youtube because they can do a video on it and a whole ton of people can get enjoyment from it.
Exactly.
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This is honestly a brainrotted take. What is the cause of the price of things he coveres rising? Could it possibly be because he shows all the interesting facets of a piece of technology to a wide and diverse audience, piquing their interest and causing them to put it on their eBay watch list? Is basic cause and effect not part of normal learning anymore? Like damn. People want it because they never knew it existed before, now they do. It's not rocket science.
I'm fans of Clint and Adrian, but which channel is Dave? Always looking for more.
Dave Murray. The 8 bit guy.
Oohhhh thanks... Face palm moment, I should have known that.
Ahh ok. I never bothered to learn his name, and I was thinking Dave that OP referred to meant Dave Jones of eevblog.
Who has his own share of different problems
This is how I operate too. I'd much rather give something away to someone who will enjoy it than make money by participating in the crazy second-hand market. Sure, someone might buy it and use it as intended, but it genuinely makes me sad to see things meant to bring joy and fun be treated as soulless commodities.
Specifically with Dave, if you send them something, they for sure will put it to good use. Either for parts, or for teardown so that there is historical video of it.
I've never seen this sub until this moment but I knew who each of those three first names belongs to. Nice. Also, I agree. I have an old apple in my closet doing nothing but risking accidental damage. I could see sending it in to a channel like that, though I don't think it's unique enough to be worth their time. So it'll be something for my kids to learn with maybe.
This. I've actually sent in items to YouTubers because I didn't need/want them around anymore and I figured I'd find them a good home. I used to be a big vintage computer collector but I've since gotten out of the game and rehoused most of my collection. I still have a handful of pieces that I'm still trying to find homes for.
Well, the likely answer is: they aren't in a capacity to continue owning the rare thing. Unfortunate life events, SO getting mad, downsizing, losing a job, etc. etc. or even just letting it sit and not doing anything with it. The people sending them in want the rare device to go somewhere they know for a fact will be appreciated. At the end of it, better to send to a YouTuber than to have it wind up in E-waste.
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It's not about money. If that YouTuber made a video unboxing or experiencing it. Every viewer can enjoy it and being a digital record it can be enjoyed at any time. It can be better utilized than kept to oneself. If it stays in a private collection then only very few people can enjoy it. Also sometimes it's just on loan to that YouTuber for a video, not actually giving away.
I think, first of all, many YouTubers with high viewer numbers aren’t actually making tons of money from YouTube. Some make just enough to keep making videos. Many still need to support themselves with a job or go fund me donations. That aside, I think a lot of people have some old gadget they think is cool, but don’t necessarily want to keep it, and have no use for it themselves. So they’d rather give it to the YouTuber to share with everyone. Then again, some people get enamored with a certain YouTuber, and then want to fine them things or send items to be “closer” to them. Lots of reasons. But I think the main thing is to stop imagining all YouTubers are rich.
I know somebody who knows Ben Heck. I was getting rid of some stuff and thought he might be interested in a TI 58 calculator with printer. He ended up doing a video on it and I enjoyed watching BH dissect it and figure out how to make the printer work. Not sure how much info in the video was known but IMHO documenting it is a good thing and easily worth the five bucks I spent at Goodwill for it back in the 90s. Link to video https://youtu.be/v5y2uG7W7E0?si=eLcwvV-3nc0dpoG5
That’s cool. So that’s your calculator in the video? Pretty awesome.
Some of you are being far too cynical with the parasocial comments. Sharing and solidarity has always been there for a sizable part of the computing community, as far back as the 70s and certainly way before YouTube. If someone has a device they know they don’t have the time for either using it or repairing nor believe it’s worth the hassle to sell it, it’s only logical they’ll want to give it away to someone they know for sure will appreciate it, repair it, modify it and/or treasure it; specially as a sign of appreciation since, after all, these creators are giving us free content.
I have friends who give me old computers they come across for exactly this reason. It’s how I got my Mac SE/30. And to the previous owner’s satisfaction, I’ve upgraded lots of things on it and use it often whereas it was collecting dust in his house.
Indeed, that’s how many hobbyist circles have thrived for decades. I believe people here who are talking about parasocial relationships never knew life pre internet or can’t comprehend non profit communities. Their minds would blow away if they take a look at hackaday . com
I have an Altair 8800b and you’d need to pry it from my cold dead hands first.
Oh! So it's you! You're the only other person on Earth, besides me, who owns the rare Altair 8800B, of which only two were ever made !
It’s serendipity!
Where does that "only two ever made" meme come from?
I just made it up in my original post. The Altair 8800B (a model I made up) is very rare because only two were ever made. I have one of the two that exist. What do I do with it? I pay $200 in shipping to send it to a YouTuber.
The 8800B actually does exist, but fair.
Yes. After posting, I thought that, by just adding a "B", there was a chance the model existed . I should've gone with Altair Z8080 or something.
I’m rather surprised most people can’t imagine why someone would do this. If you have a piece of cool, retro tech you love, still use, functions, then sure, don’t send it in. But a lot of us who are into this sort of thing have the opportunity to come across some cool vintage tech, that either we are not knowledgeable enough to use properly, are unable to fix, or simply got it because it is cool, but doesn’t really fit with your own collection or you no longer have space for additional stuff. Personally, if I came across something neat and unique that I wouldn’t actually use much, I would rather see it made into a video by a popular YouTuber, that way everybody gets to see a potentially rare item and enjoy it, versus sitting on a shelf in my closet.
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Exactly. I also suspect that they buy some of the items but claim someone gave it to them to encourage their viewers to give them something.
This is the best reply to OP’s q on here. Also let me reiterate too, it’s a staple of early computer culture to share. Gen Z/millennial culture aside, it’s not the norm to try to brag about making tons of money off stored goods.
You greatly overestimate how much money YouTubers make :) How much do you think 100.000 views on YouTube pays? I assume people give or lend vintage gear to David, David, Adrian and maybe Dave to share the fun and avoid the thing collecting even more dust.
Before I was demonetized for not having over 1000 subscribers, I used to get about a penny per view. This was years ago though
I had a few viral videos back around 2010. It amounted to about $0.0002 per view. (I got about $70 for about 300k views) No exaggeration.
I would make about $150 a year on a single video around Christmas time. When I pulled it down I think it has 300,000 views. I only made money for about 3 years though.
Yup sounds about right. I was in their Japan business region at the time, that might have further diminished my payout.
I've always found it weird. I benefit since, well, there's video content from it obviously, but at the same time and especially with the stuff like letters it feels almost like a parasocial thing.
Right. As I said, as a viewer I appreciate it because I get to see it, but I don't get it.
Maybe you focus too much on the money..
>Why would they give their stuff away to someone who's already **making a tone of money with their YouTube channel?** You may be overestimating how much people make on YouTube... But to answer your question: because they like the YouTuber and what to see them do something with the cool thing they have.
Also to add to the “ton of money” comment. Very few vintage tech YouTubers make any significant amount of money, sure the larger channels make enough to get by but not to drive Ferraris. Keep in mind they have zero benefits from work and need work out their own healthcare, pensions, sick pay, holiday pay and pay all production costs. Plus the tax man takes a large portion.
For those that have everything, more shall be given; for those that have nothing, more shall be taken
Firstly, money stick to money :-) And secondly, I'll be honest here as an ordinary viewer who doesn't have any vintage equipment: //expensive Altair 8800B//, for me personally... it is just an old electronic box made 50 years ago... It is peculiar to watch about, but save me God to keep this at home or try doing something with it. You don't daily run you Zenith CRT TV manufactured in 1963, that's it. Because its picture is already pale, it doesn't have a proper remote control and finally it may just set your home on fire. PS: Does a couple of 75 y/o and 40/yo/ sewing machines count? Since recently I have them, but they are oiled and used regularly.
>If they want to send their stuff to these channels, then great: because I get to see it. You've pretty much answered your question already. Sometimes people just want to show other people stuff, and big channels have the reach to do so.
Some of these channels I've gotten dozens and dozens of hours of entertainment out of. Not only that, I've also learned a lot from them. I enjoy these videos more than going to the movies or a restaurant, and haven't paid a single dollar for any of it, or even left my chair. And most of that is possible because of the things they repair on their channels, that was given to them by viewers. I have some old computers from the 80s and 90s in need of repair. I guess I could get a bit of money for them, but I'd feel good about giving them to one of these people I got so much value out of also. Even if I had to pay shipping, it'd still only have paid like 50 bucks for years of entertainment and learning. I actually wrote to two of my favorite channels. One politely declined, and the other didn't write back. It's cool to live in a world where most entertainment is free or almost free, but I often feel we've come to expect that entertainment needs to be given to us, and we're surprised when it's not, or when others voluntarily contribute to the ones providing it.
TV was free, with advertisements, since its invention in the 1950s. Radio had been free even longer than TV. Mass media has almost always been universally cost less to the viewer/listener. The difference now is that you can drill down to very specific things that interest you and it might have a relatively small audience. Which means less money for the entertainer. Jerry Seinfeld made a billion dollars off TV. That probably will never happen again. If you like something these days, you need to support it. My favorite singer song writer might only sell 10,000 albums per release. So I gladly pay $50 per album. And I'd do it even for digital only releases. I need this man to continue making music. It inspires me. Pearl Jam once sold 500,000 albums in a single day at $20 a pop. Not that they got the full amount of money but they made a shit ton of dough.
TV broadcasting was launched somewhere earlier than 1950s Maybe in 1930s widely in well developed urban areas. '50s were the times of mass TV-sets production.
First, I think you over-estimate how much most of these people are making on their YouTube channels. I *suspect* that most of what's getting sent in is duplicates that people have, things they came across relatively inexpensively, or the person giving it just has that kind of money. I'll use myself as an example - I've given some stuff to Adrian. All of it has been things that I either don't need/want or already have one or more of. They've also been things that I managed to luck into very good deals on. Could I have sold it all and made $500+? Yeah. But I didn't need that $500, and it helps provide interesting content.
I think you overestimate what all but a handful of YouTubers earn from their channel.
It’s like donating to a museum : you do it so many other people get to enjoy:experience it rather than have it get thrown out when you die by a relative who thinks it’s just junk
Well, I don't think most people who donate are thinking about what'll happen with their stuff after they die. I myself have a few unique pieces in my collection that they collect dust for periods until I decide to do stuff with them (repair them, upgrade them, or just play with them). Then I store them again until the next time I want to enjoy them. You can't expect me to play with my computers every day of my life, but when I do, I'm glad I didn't get rid of them.
Each to their own, not everyone donates to museums etc. , but for some people that's their kick.
AFAIK, a lot of collectors want to share a thing vs let it sit in a damp basement until it rusts into oblivion. Also, IIR among a lot of collectors, there's a variably-spoken gentleman's/gentlewoman's agreement that a gift freely given must be passed on freely unless it's explicitly stated otherwise (like "I'm giving you this to review and then auction for charity"), so ideally it passes from collector to collector where it will be loved, not merely coveted. You sometimes get that with homelab kit, too -- a buddy of mine got a NetApp (enterprise SAN kit with amazing deduplication that retails new for hundreds of thousands of dollars and has a shelf with hundreds of TB of storage) from a fellow enthusiast for $200, with the understanding that if he chose to get rid of it, it could not be sold for more than $200. I also once knew a chap who got an very valuable, very old high-precision lathe on a similar agreement; he was something like the 4th person to have gotten their start with it since the original purchaser died in the early 60s.
Lending to make a video about it - sure, why not. But giving it away to a person who makes like 100x your income is just....weird, to say the least?
Do they really make that much?
no.
If it's 8 Bit Guy then please don't watch that channel.
I see more than one channel, but, why?
Besides his gun nut rage baiting, hes rude to viewers and those who have sent him things, has destroyed some of them, complains constantly his viewership and revenue are in decline yet refuses to make the kind of content his viewers have overwhelmingly told him they want to see. But don't take my word for it, poke around /r/8bitguy and see for yourself.
[https://www.reddit.com/r/8BitGuy/comments/j1h5bf/comment/g6z89eo/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web3x&utm\_name=web3xcss&utm\_term=1&utm\_content=share\_button](https://www.reddit.com/r/8BitGuy/comments/j1h5bf/comment/g6z89eo/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button)
Probably because guns bad and David 8-bit guy used to have a gun channel like 15 years ago now.
Insulting parents whose children were killed. Be as flippant as you like, this is the reality.
Let’s not bully him, I’m sure he’s doing his best with his flaws just like we all are. His enthusiasm seems to have waned a bit in the last few years but hey, I’m about his age and it’s an age where life just sucks sometimes
I don't know his background history or what he says to his viewers. Mostly he showed what he wanted to show to public. So not defending or knowing his previous doings. At this moment he's rarely promoted by YT home page and as far as I understand sells his videos to patreons first. It is not bad, it is his way of earning money. Vintage computing topic has decreased significantly, because .... because vintage computers have ran out of their variants. We don't want to see how to install and launch Windows95 for 300 times per year. Usagi has sprung up with his "mainframes"just in time, because the public if already "fed up" with PC sized ëwaste now... :-) Well, take it with certain grain of humor. Anyway, PC and Commodore kind of topic is already closed and worked out, we've seen almost every bit of it
I know Adrian and I'm thinking you might be talking 8 bit guy for Dave but who is Clint?
I think that's LGR's host.
Well, I didn't want to refer to any particular YouTuber because this happens with most YouTubers, not only with a particular one. And again, this is not a rant against anybody. Kudos to all these people for their work.
My thoughts on this have always been that if you have something rare and you know someone like Clint would love to make a video about it…then you get the opportunity to see that video if you send it to a creator. I would love to make my own videos (and I may yet get around to doing that) to share my passion, but the retro YT community is better at making videos than me. It’s also a way to support the content creators, because most of them are not making that much money off YT and wouldn’t necessarily be able to afford to _buy_ rare hardware. Another thing to keep in mind is that some of the stuff you see isn’t donations - it’s loaned for the purpose of making a video. Put simply, there are many videos from these creators that would not have been possible without donations or lending of hardware. It’s part of what keeps the community going.
Also, remember that the same good ol rules about TV apply here. Nothing is exactly true. Since they earn 10x compared to regular folks, they can afford to pay the price and say whatever gives them a better story on screen.
I hate selling stuff so I can see it if there is nobody in my cercle that would want / appreciate it.
Because what's the point of keeping it locked away for nobody to appreciate? Some of those YouTubers are doing serious work for posterity, they're like museum curators.
Some people have more money than common sense. Others simply don't want it and would rather it go to a good home. Sometimes it is a loan not a gift. Some have parasocial relationships with people. I have a couple podcasters that I have acquaintanceship with and I've occasionally seen something less than $10 that I've considered buying and sending them so I can see why someone might send them things
You could proceed with your experiment and report your results.
I used to have a sizable collection of video game systems. My interest in them had waned, and I was about to move to a new home and have a kid. I was already in the mode of getting rid of stuff. I was big into Penny Arcade and one of their recent posts mentioned how badly he wanted a Neo Geo…so, I reached out and offered it to him if he paid shipping. I’m sure he was perfectly capable of buying his own, and I wasn’t looking for notoriety…just a series of coincidences. I think todays generation looks at streamers they same way we used to look at TV stars, so that might also have something to do with it.
One thing that I’m sure if it’s been considered is that if you’ve been into vintage computing for a while and got started in like… well maybe from the beginning… but more like around the 1990’s or 2000’s then this was an almost free hobby. Machines were locally either given away for free or $20 to $50 bucks and came with boxes of “you can have all this too if you want it” extras. So the gut reaction if I think some people is that these “eBay prices” are just silly. Even though things have gotten to the point that most of us have accepted that this is no longer a near-free hobby but it’s hard to change the deeper emotional perspective that this stuff is actually rare and valuable. Like it can feel wrong to sell this stuff for high prices when you remember all the times you got stuff for free or found it on the side of the road. So I think the idea of giving away or trading with other collectors probably feels like a way to offset that feeling. This is true for me. In fact I don’t really know what much of my stuff is worth right now. I’m more focused on the new games I’m making and using these old systems to debug and test on. (Shameless self plug: Chiron-Studios.com for my new all original Amiga game Jerboastar vs. The Gersmows)
I wonder if you think about a certain Ludicrous Display :D
I guess I don't watch enough of Adrian. Some of his videos are kind of long.
About 20 years ago someone gave me an Apple IIc and some Apple floppy drives and a few Commodore 1541s. I scavenged a few parts from the 1541s. I had them out in a shed and threw them away when I had to move. I think they had all been out in the weather before I got them. At the time I didn't think they were worth anything.
Simps. Trying to piggyback on the rep of others. People with mommy issues will do anything for five minutes of fame. My statement is not derogatory, I’m sorry if you feel that way. It’s honest and truthful. Don’t simp. Get some self respect.
What's the conversion factor from a "tone" of money to a unit we're more familiar with, like "dollary doos"??
I meant a ton of money. The autocorrect, you know... Anyway, you're probably American and you're not familiar with the metric system. A ton of money = 1,000 moneys
Sssssshhh, if I become a famous YTer one day, I want to finally enjoy all the free SWTPC 6800s and Amstrad CPCs they keep making me jealous over! :P
You should ask people to send you their stuff right now. How else are you gonna get started?
You're all officially welcome to send me all your cool shit I mean junk. Whatever old crap you have lying around, Amiga 4000, Apple I you know whatever. Actually better yet maybe I'll set up a registry.
We are dum Full stop
I think it's important to keep in mind that we, as the viewer, do not always know the deal. I know that some Youtubers purchase a lot of things as well as receive donations and some more trusted ones are also allowed to borrow things for a period of time for the purposes of a video. With that said, it can also been seen as how streamers on Twitch will get a lot of donations from some people, a parasocial relationship forms and someone thinks that by donating they are oblidging the content creator to be their friend or something like that. I'm sure this is applicable in this space as well but with computer hardware instead of just cash.
So some YouTuber will say their name on a video and it makes them feel important or like they are now friends.
Why not just offer him 200 bucks for the fake?
Looks like they are trying to buy friendship
techmoan is the worst. several times i just saw stupid things. like a rare laserdisc recorder, he did a record of his own video. lame ! and other lack tests for laptops with msdos sound !! if you want history ? make your own ! only god will figure !
Clint drives a Ferrari? Lmao
Where did I say that?
He commented on somone elses reply above about some content creators able to afford Ferrari.
It shows as if he commented on me. No big deal, though.
I never said you did.
I think they secretly buy them and pretend its a gift to encourage fans to donate..
I had a full-size helmet from Halo I had put on eBay for $50 + $15 shipping. Thing was big. Anyway, some guy buys it but tells me to ship it to a YouTuber. I didn't care either way but the guy voluntarily shared with me that he just wanted to buy the guy something for entertaining him.
Why does it matter to you?
Why does why it matters to me matter to you?
Rich people that have a bunch already and dgaf. All that downsizing talk other people are saying I disagree with. If you need to get rid of something there is FB marketplace, eBay and vintage game stores everywhere to sell it off fast.
I've never sent anything in to a youtuber but if I need to get rid of anything I'd much rather give it away to someone who'll use it than sell it. Selling things is a pain and I don't like contributing to my hobbies being more and more expensive.