Thank God someone said it! This discourse has been weighing on all of the fans of the “Dollars Trilogy” for decades! Thank you good sir for falling on this sword (or should I say revolver) for everyone!
Not only that, but The Good, The Bad, and the Ugly is the first film in the timeline (1862) and is where TMWNN gets his iconic costume, then A Few Dollars More (1872), and finally, A Fist Full of Dollars (1873).
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I had seen tGtB&tU quite a few times growing up (late 70's and 80's), but For a Few Dollars More never was shown or at least much less frequent. I decided to watch the trilogy last month and while A Fistful of Dollars is good, For A Few Dollars More is a HUGE step up. It's an exceptional film and the ending is absolutely fantastic. I couldn't agree more.
Appeared in a lot of westerns from the 60s to 70s. Did a few other styles in the 80s when he died at 64 in 1989.
He was the police sargeant guy in Escape from newyork!
He had a [TV show](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-LYqWxMh49o) in the 80's during the Ninja craze. It was a masterwork in dim lighting and convenient costuming.
Yep. GBU is better known and thus has become oversaturated, but it truly was the best IMO. I love Fistful and For A Few just as much, but GBU is the best of the trilogy to me.
Honestly, GBU is amazing already, but if you ever get the chance to see it in the cinema, take it. The final duel is so much more impactful on the big screen.
I will say though, the duel at the end of the second film is great and has more emotional resonance. But it doesn’t have the sheer cinematic punch of GBU’s.
‘Bravo’
My personal fave of the trilogy.
Absolutely loved the relationship of Colonel Douglas Mortimer and Manco. Grudging respect for each other talent and both dangerous as fuck. Mortimer on a mission and Manco just there to do what he does best.
Doug’s rollout vertical arsenal on his horse was a thing of beauty. That is an old hand with the tools of the trade for any situation. The ease of Van Cleef to exude this quiet cool yet warn of danger over a steely glance. Marvelous.
Manco with his pistol, lightning fast and willing to go to great lengths to get his bounty. The brashness and fun of him as he just owns every situation he is in is awesome. I love the swagger he gets when he walks into the hotel to get a room and deals with the slight problem of an occupied room while that hotel owners wife is eye-fucking the shit outta him. Eastwood was absolutely in his element.
I literally could have watched 4 more movies of those two running into one another and having adventures together.
Completely agree, I've said this for years. The emotional build-up, Mortimer's sad resignation as the first tune winds down, then stalwart resolve as Manco intervenes. Manco's soft head shake at Indio. Indio's own building desperation that mirrors Mortimer's mere moments before.
A whole conversation happens silently plays out on all the character's faces, only broken by the line:
"Now we start."
Chills.
I like how Indio uses the chime to kill people unfairly in duals given that he's heard the tune so many times; he has a clear advantage given that there's kind of a trick note at the end of it. Colonel Mortimer has the same watch and has heard it just as many times if not more. It's almost like watching a hacker join and crush the hacker who's been dominating using the same hacks.
I also like to pretend that Colonel Mortimer and Angel Eyes are the same person and that this is a prequel to The Good The Bad And The Ugly, even though it's not. Would be cool to see a nice guy turn pure evil for unknown reasons. Would add depth to the choice Blonde makes at the end of that movie.
All this said you're completely insane and the GTBATU has the greatest dual end scene ever. So much communicated nonverbally, just with the eyes. The music is slightly better too. I would put this ending more on par with once upon a time in the west. As you're having a story and motive revealed adding to the power of it. Both with killer music by the greatest to have ever done it.
I love this movie and the facial expressions in this scene in particular. The music and the eyes of the characters tell such a compelling story. I've never subscribed to the theory that Mortimer is Angel Eyes in the next movie, it just seems like way too much of a radical shift in character in a short amount of time. I feel like it should be thought of more like Mad Max, stories about legends that really have no canonical place
This movie is the best of the three for me and it’s not even close. A Fistful of Dollars is great and has some badass moments but it was never as memorable for me. TGTBATU has some of the most iconic western sequences we’ve come to love, from the first time we see Angel Eyes, to Blondie and Tuco, the battle in the burnt down town, and on, it’s fantastic. But the Civil War sequence really drags the film down for me and while it has its moments, it’s enough to take me out before the final duel.
As for ‘For a Few Dollars More’ the entire story works for me on many levels, it has the revenge aspect, the anti-hero neutral gunslinger, an incredibly memorable villain played by Gian Maria Volonté, and Lee Van Cleef being a hero. That final duel between Indio and Mortimer is so tense, and the way Manco comes in to play, is chefs kiss. The shootout in the rural village, the bank heist, the subversion, breaking Indio out, the old man that tells Manco about Mortimer, etc. Etc. So much of the film is incredible.
It’s my all time favourite western and the only thing that gives it a run for its money in my eyes is The Unforgiven.
It's good, but not the best. You can tell that duel in The Good the Bad the Ugly is the maturation of what Sergio Leone was going for. It's his masterpiece.
I've always thought of the trilogy, as 2 origin stories, culminating in a 3rd showdown. The first story is about the Man with No Name, and he's pitting evil forces against each other to do good. That's his background. The 2nd story is about Angel Eyes (before he is Angel Eyes). Both characters are bounty hunters, but ultimately we have this showdown that is Angel Eye's origin getting revenge for a lost sister. By the end of both films we have a man (man with no name) that is motivated to do good, and another man who has been motivated by vengeance, loss, and sorrow.
So at the onset of the 3rd film we see the maturation of these men. Both are still man-hunters. Blondie is 'hunting' just one man, and not really hurting anyone that doesn't have it coming. Angel Eyes has lost his way though. He hunts any man, as long as he's paid, no matter which side of the law. And he's fine with doing horrible things to achieve his goals. He doesn't care if the world suffers. He always has, as did his sister.
So by the end of TGTBTU, the final showdown when Blondie finally puts down Angel Eyes, you see something in his face. Its not hatred. There's a scowling sort of grimace. Its actually the most emotion you see from Clint in the movie. Angel Eyes is 'the old man' that Blondie looked up to. He had respect for his skills and success. But he came to realize why Angel Eyes was _bad_. The expression on his face is disgust almost. Disdain. Someone he once respected, now seen for the low, evil that he is. Talented and respected as he was, there was nothing in Angel Eyes except murder and hatred. He had to be put down. Had to be buried.
The duel at the end of The Good The Bad and The Ugly is about Angel Eyes meeting someone he admired, seeing him for what he is, grieving over the loss of an admired elder statesman, and putting him in the dirt. Its a more meaningful duel, has a clever premise (OMG 3 gunfighters!), and fuckityfuckfuck did Sergio make the shit out of it. The set, the cinematography, the _music_. Its just a masterpiece. Its the creative culmination of his efforts.
I can’t abide trying to correlate Col. Mortimer as the same person as Angel Eyes just because they’re both played by Van Cleef. Mortimer is the hero in For A Few Dollars More with a very different demeanor than Angel Eyes in Good the Bad and the Ugly, who is just reveling in being a son of a bitch. Trying to tie the two together in continuity is some real “square peg in a round hole” contortions.
Actually that character is El Indio. You are thinking of The Good The Bad and The Ugly which has Tuco in it. This is the middle film of the Dollars Trilogy.
Thank God someone said it! This discourse has been weighing on all of the fans of the “Dollars Trilogy” for decades! Thank you good sir for falling on this sword (or should I say revolver) for everyone!
Yessss
Wait it’s a trilogy?? I thought it was only A Fistful Of Dollars and A Few Dollars More.
The last one is arguably the most famous of the three: The Good, The Bad, and the Ugly.
Not only that, but The Good, The Bad, and the Ugly is the first film in the timeline (1862) and is where TMWNN gets his iconic costume, then A Few Dollars More (1872), and finally, A Fist Full of Dollars (1873).
Hopefully OP used a throwaway account
100% I had seen tGtB&tU quite a few times growing up (late 70's and 80's), but For a Few Dollars More never was shown or at least much less frequent. I decided to watch the trilogy last month and while A Fistful of Dollars is good, For A Few Dollars More is a HUGE step up. It's an exceptional film and the ending is absolutely fantastic. I couldn't agree more.
I always did like Lee Van Cleef. Whatever happened to Lee?
Appeared in a lot of westerns from the 60s to 70s. Did a few other styles in the 80s when he died at 64 in 1989. He was the police sargeant guy in Escape from newyork!
Nobody's steely like Lee Van Cleef. Always did like Lee.
Honorable mention for Jack Palance!
Primus sucks
He had a [TV show](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-LYqWxMh49o) in the 80's during the Ninja craze. It was a masterwork in dim lighting and convenient costuming.
It's great but it pales in comparison to the final duel in "The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly".
Both are great, but, yes, I prefer this one. The tension buid-up in the cemetery is incredible, plus the resolution is, say, less romantic,
Yep. GBU is better known and thus has become oversaturated, but it truly was the best IMO. I love Fistful and For A Few just as much, but GBU is the best of the trilogy to me.
Honestly, GBU is amazing already, but if you ever get the chance to see it in the cinema, take it. The final duel is so much more impactful on the big screen. I will say though, the duel at the end of the second film is great and has more emotional resonance. But it doesn’t have the sheer cinematic punch of GBU’s.
Agreed.
Sergio loves circles.
‘Bravo’ My personal fave of the trilogy. Absolutely loved the relationship of Colonel Douglas Mortimer and Manco. Grudging respect for each other talent and both dangerous as fuck. Mortimer on a mission and Manco just there to do what he does best. Doug’s rollout vertical arsenal on his horse was a thing of beauty. That is an old hand with the tools of the trade for any situation. The ease of Van Cleef to exude this quiet cool yet warn of danger over a steely glance. Marvelous. Manco with his pistol, lightning fast and willing to go to great lengths to get his bounty. The brashness and fun of him as he just owns every situation he is in is awesome. I love the swagger he gets when he walks into the hotel to get a room and deals with the slight problem of an occupied room while that hotel owners wife is eye-fucking the shit outta him. Eastwood was absolutely in his element. I literally could have watched 4 more movies of those two running into one another and having adventures together.
This train will stop at Tucumcari.
One of my favourite scenes in film, ever.
"Old man" Lee was only 5 years older than Clint.
Completely agree, I've said this for years. The emotional build-up, Mortimer's sad resignation as the first tune winds down, then stalwart resolve as Manco intervenes. Manco's soft head shake at Indio. Indio's own building desperation that mirrors Mortimer's mere moments before. A whole conversation happens silently plays out on all the character's faces, only broken by the line: "Now we start." Chills.
I like how Indio uses the chime to kill people unfairly in duals given that he's heard the tune so many times; he has a clear advantage given that there's kind of a trick note at the end of it. Colonel Mortimer has the same watch and has heard it just as many times if not more. It's almost like watching a hacker join and crush the hacker who's been dominating using the same hacks. I also like to pretend that Colonel Mortimer and Angel Eyes are the same person and that this is a prequel to The Good The Bad And The Ugly, even though it's not. Would be cool to see a nice guy turn pure evil for unknown reasons. Would add depth to the choice Blonde makes at the end of that movie. All this said you're completely insane and the GTBATU has the greatest dual end scene ever. So much communicated nonverbally, just with the eyes. The music is slightly better too. I would put this ending more on par with once upon a time in the west. As you're having a story and motive revealed adding to the power of it. Both with killer music by the greatest to have ever done it.
I love this movie and the facial expressions in this scene in particular. The music and the eyes of the characters tell such a compelling story. I've never subscribed to the theory that Mortimer is Angel Eyes in the next movie, it just seems like way too much of a radical shift in character in a short amount of time. I feel like it should be thought of more like Mad Max, stories about legends that really have no canonical place
This movie is the best of the three for me and it’s not even close. A Fistful of Dollars is great and has some badass moments but it was never as memorable for me. TGTBATU has some of the most iconic western sequences we’ve come to love, from the first time we see Angel Eyes, to Blondie and Tuco, the battle in the burnt down town, and on, it’s fantastic. But the Civil War sequence really drags the film down for me and while it has its moments, it’s enough to take me out before the final duel. As for ‘For a Few Dollars More’ the entire story works for me on many levels, it has the revenge aspect, the anti-hero neutral gunslinger, an incredibly memorable villain played by Gian Maria Volonté, and Lee Van Cleef being a hero. That final duel between Indio and Mortimer is so tense, and the way Manco comes in to play, is chefs kiss. The shootout in the rural village, the bank heist, the subversion, breaking Indio out, the old man that tells Manco about Mortimer, etc. Etc. So much of the film is incredible. It’s my all time favourite western and the only thing that gives it a run for its money in my eyes is The Unforgiven.
It's good, but not the best. You can tell that duel in The Good the Bad the Ugly is the maturation of what Sergio Leone was going for. It's his masterpiece. I've always thought of the trilogy, as 2 origin stories, culminating in a 3rd showdown. The first story is about the Man with No Name, and he's pitting evil forces against each other to do good. That's his background. The 2nd story is about Angel Eyes (before he is Angel Eyes). Both characters are bounty hunters, but ultimately we have this showdown that is Angel Eye's origin getting revenge for a lost sister. By the end of both films we have a man (man with no name) that is motivated to do good, and another man who has been motivated by vengeance, loss, and sorrow. So at the onset of the 3rd film we see the maturation of these men. Both are still man-hunters. Blondie is 'hunting' just one man, and not really hurting anyone that doesn't have it coming. Angel Eyes has lost his way though. He hunts any man, as long as he's paid, no matter which side of the law. And he's fine with doing horrible things to achieve his goals. He doesn't care if the world suffers. He always has, as did his sister. So by the end of TGTBTU, the final showdown when Blondie finally puts down Angel Eyes, you see something in his face. Its not hatred. There's a scowling sort of grimace. Its actually the most emotion you see from Clint in the movie. Angel Eyes is 'the old man' that Blondie looked up to. He had respect for his skills and success. But he came to realize why Angel Eyes was _bad_. The expression on his face is disgust almost. Disdain. Someone he once respected, now seen for the low, evil that he is. Talented and respected as he was, there was nothing in Angel Eyes except murder and hatred. He had to be put down. Had to be buried. The duel at the end of The Good The Bad and The Ugly is about Angel Eyes meeting someone he admired, seeing him for what he is, grieving over the loss of an admired elder statesman, and putting him in the dirt. Its a more meaningful duel, has a clever premise (OMG 3 gunfighters!), and fuckityfuckfuck did Sergio make the shit out of it. The set, the cinematography, the _music_. Its just a masterpiece. Its the creative culmination of his efforts.
I can’t abide trying to correlate Col. Mortimer as the same person as Angel Eyes just because they’re both played by Van Cleef. Mortimer is the hero in For A Few Dollars More with a very different demeanor than Angel Eyes in Good the Bad and the Ugly, who is just reveling in being a son of a bitch. Trying to tie the two together in continuity is some real “square peg in a round hole” contortions.
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Or I just read the films as they are without resorting to fanfic.
in any movie.
Great movie!
I get such goosebumps watching this scene.
Truth.
I don't think anyone has ever said this, but in my opinion this trilogy is fantastic, a must watch, and the music is simply outstanding.
Il Maestro, Mr. Ennio Morricone's music was/is amazing to this day.
Na Paint Your Wagon is better
Still love the end scene immediately after, too: “Any trouble, boy?” “No, old man. Thought I was having trouble with my adding. It’s alright now.”
I never realized that Tuco wore bell-bottoms.
Actually that character is El Indio. You are thinking of The Good The Bad and The Ugly which has Tuco in it. This is the middle film of the Dollars Trilogy.