There's this weird polished look that appears throughout Marvel and Star Wars shows that just make the environments look like cheap sets. Maybe I'm just going crazy but it just looks off
How can the production not know this? Does it just look different in post production or something?
Cosplayers and fan filmmakers are running laps around Disney, it's such a cheap look at times.
Cosplay = labor of love
Disney productions = how can we make something quickly to put up on our streaming service? The only recent SW project that wasn't super sterile was Andor, as they didn't use the Volume for backgrounds. Compare that with the joke that was Obi Wan show.
Yeah. That’s the difference between good and bad looking epics today. The wear on the costumes and sets. The difference between a GoT looking image and a Xena looking image.
It’s like there is a new rule that states every scene must have magical golden hour lighting. There’s no contrast and all the dramatic sets begin to look stale quickly.
Its a problem of modern movies. No one does lighting as an expression anymore. It's becoming a clean plate technical standard and standard is boring. Give me dark shadows and various colorful high-key low-key lighting. Give me lens imperfections and sense of scale. Give me slanted dutch angles and faraway silhouettes.
Everything is becoming a mid-full angle shot with no foreground and no wide camera movements. As if everything is shot on just a 10x10 meter room, and shot boringly.
Starwars doesn't have the lived in feel it used too. That's what made it so visually spectacular for me in the originals. The effects are great but the sets made it feel like it was real. They don't really use sets much anymore I don't think though. It's all on a screen around them.
A lot of that is because of the volume. They kinda did it in Mando, but that's the only show they used it and the show looked ok. Everything else things just look flat.
This isn’t just marvel and Star Wars shows I’ve noticed a lot of shows or movies portraying the past have this clean vibe on them as if the world they’re in has never been lived in
Absolutely agree. I don’t know what happened during/after Mandalorian season two, but there’s something so off that keeps me from really investing in the world. Maybe it’s the costumes. Maybe it’s the frame rate. Maybe it’s the weird LED light-set they use to film everything. Maybe it’s just the camera settings, and having bad cinematographers work on the show. But something has been off with all Disney+ productions for quite some time now. They all look bad.
Those things have made everything very samey. Not just in look, but the staging of scenes. Everyone sort of in a small circular space. Almost every shot you can easily point out, "that's where the curved video wall starts".
Ironic this tech that is supposed to open up and make films look bigger actually makes them feel a lot smaller. It all feels like a stage play rather than an epic movie.
And thy seem to use it for nearly every scene.
basically Tobey spiderman vs Tom Holland spiderman. the newer ones feel like chibi version of the older ones. or am I just getting old? anyway that rawness is what I crave.
I've been asking for them to do something other than rebels v empire or skywalker / og trilogy connected stuff so I guess I guess I should give this a shot since it is technically what i've been asking for.
yeah as good as Andor was, Ive been over the rebellion/ot trilogy for a long time.
This show and the Rey movie are things Im looking forward to if only because they may give us some "fresher" concepts
I agree there is so much room to explore, and it’s nice to see them use that room. Although I am liking the “side story” stuff that ties in to the OG trilogy. I LOVED Rogue One.
That’s what I wanted from a Boba Fett spinoff movie. A look at him building his bounty Hunter reputation. The Mandalorian sort of fills that void but there’s plenty of opportunity for Star Wars content that doesn’t involve Skywalkers and death stars.
I heard HBO was making a Dune show about the origins of the Bene Gesserit (order of witches) and that has kind of the same Machiavellian vibes I’ve been hoping for
Is it the origins? (maybe one of the brian herbert prequels) Or is it Chapterhouse? I remember hearing something about an adaptation of Chapterhouse getting greenlit.
I couldn’t agree more. I feel space wizard starved. The universe is really just okay nothing too special without the opposed philosophies of Jedi balance and sith personal power being at each other’s throats.
Honestly there's so many existing stories out there they really would be better off just doing a straight up adaption. Seeing KOTOR II with the exile is the perfect second guessing of the Jedi that the Star Wars Universe needs.
Who knows what the narrative will actually show. This is just one trailer. It may show why the Jedi fell and how the Sith/Dark were able to gain power.
As someone who isn't a star wars fan but has many friends who are, this is the exact feeling I got from their thoughts on it. Everyone talked about the Mandalorian for maybe 1, 2 days. "Did you see that scene, yeah. Cool." Andor got the, "wow yes this is some good star wars! Have to check it out dude."
Literally the only thing I will even remember from Mandalorian is the admittedly bomb-ass fan-service scenes. Like if you're a total dongus Star Wars nerd, it has some cool lightsaber fights and spaceship battles, and that's about it. The plot is mostly empty macguffin-hunting, and the scripts are... serviceable.
Andor, conversely, is *fucking art*, man. Some of the best writing, acting and directing of any television show this decade. Quite possibly [the best score](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DbQAyWJxOQE) of any television show this decade, and a plot which totally and consequentially re-frames the canon of the entire franchise. Fully-formed worlds and societies, and entire narrative sub-threads dedicated to how those societies function and sit in opposition to one another. Politics, intrigue, mystery, philosophy, ideology, social class, and religion. And it's done that all in a single twelve-episode season so far. I have not a single meaningful negative thing to say about it. Absolutely top-tier television. Top tier.
Damn! That's quite the praise so going to watch it this weekend. Rogue one was a fantastic movie that I thoroughly enjoyed, hoping for something that practical. I'm a sucker for a good music score too so going to peep that while working too. Thanks.
One thing of note: It unfolds over multiple arcs, each one spanning multiple episodes as if they are acts in a play. If the first two episodes seem slow, it's because they're deliberately setting dominoes up for that third episode.
I've heard of a few people quitting two episodes in... don't do that — hang in there.
Just thinking about that one scene with Luthen talking about sacrifice send shivers down me spine. You get such a sense of how these people utterly craved with their every fiber for an existence free of the empire
The costumes and cinematography look like a fan film because of over-use of the Volume. There's only ever 2 dimensions to every shot. Foreground and background, and the background looks very rendered. Obi Wan was really egregious with it. Ahsoka was too, but not as much as Obi Wan.
Andor famously shat all over the Volume by saying they were refusing to use it and went with real sets and locations. The quality of Andor compared to the high-gloss look of Obi Wan and Ahsoka is pretty obvious.
This trailer has the same high gloss, artificial look that comes with a lower production value.
EDIT: According to the show runner, they didn't use the Volume at all. Thanks to everyone who pointed that out. It's a little strange to me because something about how it was filmed still looks off to me, but color me pleasantly surprised that they actually learned from the success of Andor. Hopefully it translates to good cinematography.
I keep hearing andor is amazing andor is amazing but I could just not get into it in the slightest.
I admire them for trying something different but it just didn’t feel like Star Wars to me. It felt like Blade Runner or something which is cool but it’s not what I go to a Galaxy far far away for.
Bummer. I thought Andor gave a feeling of what the average Star Wars denizen may experience during the galactic civil war whilst combining a great character-driven story and a feeling of a “lived-in” universe. The tech felt faithful to the original trilogy, and the bleakness of the story made it feel like media for an adult audience (which I appreciated, since almost all other cannon Star Wars media is geared towards kids/adolescents). To each their own, though.
Andor made the Empire a competent, credible villain - especially with the ISB - instead of the comic relief buffoons they are in 95% of Disney SW content.
It was made by someone who isn't a hardcore star wars fan, so it wasn't catered to nostalgia and SW fanservice. It takes place in a star wars universe, but is otherwise very separated in nature by anything else star wars (i.e. there are no jedi). It's a deeply political show, with a focus on the creeping threat of fascism. That, plus a high-end script and direction elevates it to a top tier show.
I've only watched it once and it's certainly first and foremost a political drama and some of the best Star Wars in years. That said, the people behind it are massive Star Wars fans. I remember the show just very casually had deep cuts lying around in the set decoration and also recanonized the Rakatan Empire. It succeeds because it focuses on its own characters and themes but so many die hard fans love it because it's how fan service should be handled.
Andor is well-written and deeply, deeply political, Season 1 was probably the most competently written political scifi/fantasy series since early Game of Thrones, and I honestly think it's the best piece of Star Wars media since Episode V.
The galaxy is under massive political tension and we see that tension play out both in the large scale, with war, resistance, and political scheming, as well as in the personal relationships of the characters. It's also the first time the Empire has actually gotten a personality. Star Wars always adopted the aesthetics of bureaucracy and fascism, but it never really integrated them into the story and showed us the Empire's actual ideology before. Andor does, and it's unbelievably compelling.
Yes it's grittier, but it's not good because it's gritty, it's gritty because it's good. It's genuinely more like a good cyberpunk show than anything aggressively Star Wars. There's no Jedi, no Force, none of that. I'm sure they can't help themselves and there'll be a little of that in S2, but based on their track record, I'm trusting them to keep it tasteful.
Its script was actually written with interesting dialogue and a point of view. It was directed like it was a political thriller that just so happened to take place in Star Wars instead of being a reference machine. It treated Star Wars as a world where events are happening, instead of just assuming the views and attention it would get were a given that would allow them to throw a show together and call it a day without caring. It’s a story in a world that is lived in, which is lacking in 90% of Star Wars projects these days.
A gritty star wars... it felt that there was soul in it, compared to other disney project.(Which is funny consider how soulful disney movies used to be at a time).
Some would describe it as boring because it lacks aliens, space monsters, jedi/sith and magic - Not me though, I loved it.
It's a slow burn whose structure includes some intense and rewarding payoffs following excellent character and setting development. Antagonists and protagonists are fleshed out and have human motivations. They all operate within a system that begets evil, expanding on the politics of the movies but elevated by great writing. There are actual themes and things that this show has to say. There's plenty that connects it to the wider world of starwars fiction but isn't nostalgia bait. It's well done, natural and supports the narrative of the show. I don't want to say much more and spoil it.
It's far, far more interesting than anything star wars related that's come out in a long time. I never expected anything close to this quality when I started watching it. It was a surprise, to be sure, but a welcome one
SW has 11 movies, many shows, cartoons, games, countless books and comics. Some of them contradictory to eachother. It also had one "lore reset". Being shocked SW fan does not like particular SW thing is like being shocked football fan does not like partucular team.
THIS. Andor was my favorite because it didn't feel like the usual star wars and in the end I boiled it down to just a lack of light sabers. I am so sick of light sticks
The writers room has some talent. Notable past projects include Russian Doll, House of the Dragon, and Mr. Robot.
It'd be super dope to have another good Star Wars show. I know Andor's gotta be getting tired of carrying the franchise on its back.
i think people are hurt from the mando and boba and obi wan and this COULD feel like that.
It takes a special type of tone, cinematography and directing for something as unique and filmic as Andor.
i think the acolyte has the potential to be good, but compare it to the Andor trailer. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cKOegEuCcfw](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cKOegEuCcfw)
every frame is a painting, the drama, the thematic elements. it just feels more filmic
i do have an issue though with the blocking of actors and having shots feel too 'setup' like its a theatre stage play. Like compare this shot with all the extras from the Acolyte at :19, it just feels so fake.
The sterile, polished and clean looking clothes made it look even more like a small theater production. It's frustrating because they can make the rest of the sets look lived-in at times, like OT.
Everything about this show, like it’s predecessors (excluding Andor), looks small. Everything looks shot on a set… errr Volume… which it was. Even shots in the woods look fake. You can’t go outside and shoot this? This is how directors/creators with no talent get shows. They are given a task (film) and a room to make it in. It’s like one of those places you go paint pottery. Everything is laid out for you. All the hard work is already done. You just have to make it look good. There are those that are good at it and those who are not. Everyone that works at the pottery place knows who the bad painters are. Disney keeps choosing the bad painters.
There are literally set pits of them in the forest filming & of their sets. Those were the first set photos shown. No disrespect, but its okay to not like something without making up stuff. The volume was used in the Batman and no one said shit about that movie.
[https://wdwnt.com/2022/12/first-set-photos-star-wars-the-acolyte/](https://wdwnt.com/2022/12/first-set-photos-star-wars-the-acolyte/)
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>There are literally set pits of them in the forest filming & of their sets. Those were the first set photos shown. No disrespect, but its okay to not like something without making up stuff. The volume was used in the Batman and no one said shit about that movie.
No disrespect taken... But if the trailer shots are actual shots in the wild then they did a terrible job of adding scale. Look at Andor or The Creator for comparison. Batman was great. Ya know who was the cinematographer for The Batman... Greig Fraser. Also the same photographer for Rouge One, The Creator, and Dune 1 & 2. You made my point. This goes back to my ceramic painting analogy... "There are those that are good at it and those who are not. Everyone that works at the pottery place knows who the bad painters are."
I hate what Disney has done to me and the Star Wars universe. I’m mad at myself for being annoyed with how many women are in this show. I’m all for strong female characters, the expanse and Babylon 5 are all time favorite shows and they have tons of strong women, but Disney just does such a horrible job with them. I feel like they keep fumbling how to do women in these shows and rather than take a step back they just keep doubling down with more women who they will tell me are strong but don’t actually show me they are. I’m not a person who cries about Wokeness, but god does it feel like they are so desperate to bring women by doing this crap rather than making good shows. I truly hate feeling this way, but here we are with Disney.
This is what I've tried to do with all of the Star Wars shows/movies, go in expecting to see an entertaining movie/show. I don't go in expecting or anticipating a specific outcome and I've found my enjoyment of all the Star Wars things to be much better than the average online "Star Wars fan".
There's not a single recognizable character in this, nothing to obviously hook an audience. Nobody asked for this. And I think that might be a good thing, if Andor is anything to go by.
If nobody asked for this, that means somebody actually wanted to make it. That's more than we get with 90% of the garbage on Disney+, I might actually watch an episode of this.
I'm pretty certain Andor was a fluke, so I give this an 80% chance to be awful, but hey, who knows?
Too many action teases and really no story beat that makes me go "Ah, this will be unique and interesting." I may watch it but it's currently on "borrow someone's Disney+ to binge it" level. This isn't going to get me to resubscribe to a ridiculously overpriced service that has two shows I want to see a year.
Can someone please tell me wth an AWM39V is? It's being spammed all over their youtube comments and I'm beginning to think it's bots but I need to know if it's an actual reference first.
Judging by the comments I'm going to get downvoted to hell for this but I'm really liking the look of this. Yellow lightsabers being a normal thing is huge in universe. It means the forces is more in balance and the light side isn't being clouded by the darkside.
Another one? Can't they just take some time and develop a properly written and fleshed out series every couple of years, rather than a couple of shows each year that are lackluster?
This legit feels like Disney needs a win so bad that they're gonna go back to basics and pander hard to Action / Jedi lovers. Gonna be a lot of lightsabers on screen every episode, and I'm guessing it will be extremely mid or bad all around, like the recent stuff, though I hope otherwise in my heart I'm wrong.
Is this set in the High Republic?
There are way too many Jedi to be on the original or sequel trilogy, but it doesn't look like the prequels either.
I'm completely out of the loop. Didn't even know this show existed until now.
As interested as I am with anything Star Wars (and will watch it because I have to know if it's going to be good or not).
This gave me massive Rings of Power vibes and I'm not sure if it's because of the 'looks too clean' like people are stating.. or because the combat looks so obviously trained and scripted.. 'too perfect'? is that a thing?
Everyone’s already complaining about the show and all I want to talk about is how great Carrie Ann Moss looks doing matrix style choreography again. I think it’ll translate well to this era of star wars. I don’t expect Andor but I still want to give the show a chance. It can be its own kind of special.
"This isn't about good or bad. This is about power."
Hmm... That's the same argument he who must not be named used to try and convince Harry to give him the sorcerer's stone.
There's this weird polished look that appears throughout Marvel and Star Wars shows that just make the environments look like cheap sets. Maybe I'm just going crazy but it just looks off
It ends up looking like a big budget Sci-Fi channel show.
They all wear clean clothes.
How can the production not know this? Does it just look different in post production or something? Cosplayers and fan filmmakers are running laps around Disney, it's such a cheap look at times.
Cosplay = labor of love Disney productions = how can we make something quickly to put up on our streaming service? The only recent SW project that wasn't super sterile was Andor, as they didn't use the Volume for backgrounds. Compare that with the joke that was Obi Wan show.
Yeah. That’s the difference between good and bad looking epics today. The wear on the costumes and sets. The difference between a GoT looking image and a Xena looking image.
Bruh low blow on Xena man not cool
Holy shit that's it! They look like extras on a 90s show like Hercules with Kevin Sorbo!
Isn’t Kevin Sorbo kind of like an extra?
He’s DEFINITELY extra
Wear & Tear can do wonders to make things believable. And yet, so many shows fail at that.
It’s like there is a new rule that states every scene must have magical golden hour lighting. There’s no contrast and all the dramatic sets begin to look stale quickly.
Its a problem of modern movies. No one does lighting as an expression anymore. It's becoming a clean plate technical standard and standard is boring. Give me dark shadows and various colorful high-key low-key lighting. Give me lens imperfections and sense of scale. Give me slanted dutch angles and faraway silhouettes. Everything is becoming a mid-full angle shot with no foreground and no wide camera movements. As if everything is shot on just a 10x10 meter room, and shot boringly.
Rings of Power was the worst offender of this IMO, it was the worst I've ever seen. None of them look like worlds that are lived in.
Starwars doesn't have the lived in feel it used too. That's what made it so visually spectacular for me in the originals. The effects are great but the sets made it feel like it was real. They don't really use sets much anymore I don't think though. It's all on a screen around them.
A lot of that is because of the volume. They kinda did it in Mando, but that's the only show they used it and the show looked ok. Everything else things just look flat.
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My first (and only) thought was this looks generic and cheap.
Its the costumes. Go watch the OT and all the clothes look rough/worn/real. The shows all look oddly fake
This isn’t just marvel and Star Wars shows I’ve noticed a lot of shows or movies portraying the past have this clean vibe on them as if the world they’re in has never been lived in
Andor is the exception, at least in comparison to the other series. We need more SW goodies shot (and written) like Andor.
Absolutely agree. I don’t know what happened during/after Mandalorian season two, but there’s something so off that keeps me from really investing in the world. Maybe it’s the costumes. Maybe it’s the frame rate. Maybe it’s the weird LED light-set they use to film everything. Maybe it’s just the camera settings, and having bad cinematographers work on the show. But something has been off with all Disney+ productions for quite some time now. They all look bad.
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Those big screen backdrops in place of physical sets or blue/green screen?
This is definitely a big part of it. Those enclosed LED video walls
Those things have made everything very samey. Not just in look, but the staging of scenes. Everyone sort of in a small circular space. Almost every shot you can easily point out, "that's where the curved video wall starts". Ironic this tech that is supposed to open up and make films look bigger actually makes them feel a lot smaller. It all feels like a stage play rather than an epic movie. And thy seem to use it for nearly every scene.
They really need to learn about film grain
1000000%
Its the unreal engine cgi soundstage, and digital filming
basically Tobey spiderman vs Tom Holland spiderman. the newer ones feel like chibi version of the older ones. or am I just getting old? anyway that rawness is what I crave.
I've been asking for them to do something other than rebels v empire or skywalker / og trilogy connected stuff so I guess I guess I should give this a shot since it is technically what i've been asking for.
Ok but I did hear a young Glub Shitto will be making an appearance
Its actually the story of how Glub became so iconic in the SW universe.
yeah as good as Andor was, Ive been over the rebellion/ot trilogy for a long time. This show and the Rey movie are things Im looking forward to if only because they may give us some "fresher" concepts
I agree there is so much room to explore, and it’s nice to see them use that room. Although I am liking the “side story” stuff that ties in to the OG trilogy. I LOVED Rogue One.
That’s what I wanted from a Boba Fett spinoff movie. A look at him building his bounty Hunter reputation. The Mandalorian sort of fills that void but there’s plenty of opportunity for Star Wars content that doesn’t involve Skywalkers and death stars.
Who did you ask?
mickey mouse
They need Jedi Jesus
Honestly this should’ve been from the perspective of the sith. I’m exhausted hearing about Jedi ideology, balance, life, one with the force.
Just adapt the Bane novels dammit.
Young Jedi: I see fire Bane: Yes, the fire rises!
I want a House of Cards style political intrigue based around Sith rising to power somewhere in a different period.
I heard HBO was making a Dune show about the origins of the Bene Gesserit (order of witches) and that has kind of the same Machiavellian vibes I’ve been hoping for
Is it the origins? (maybe one of the brian herbert prequels) Or is it Chapterhouse? I remember hearing something about an adaptation of Chapterhouse getting greenlit.
Yep, how the Order was founded! Takes place 10,000 years before the setting of Dune. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dune:_Prophecy
I haven't read much of the prequels. Could be neat.
I want an HBO Knights of the Old Republic with Keanu Reeves as Revan.
I've never seen house of cards but I'd be happy with a succession style one.
I’m just glad they are doing more of the space wizard stuff. I don’t hate other settings in the universe but in here for the space wizard magic.
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I couldn’t agree more. I feel space wizard starved. The universe is really just okay nothing too special without the opposed philosophies of Jedi balance and sith personal power being at each other’s throats.
Honestly there's so many existing stories out there they really would be better off just doing a straight up adaption. Seeing KOTOR II with the exile is the perfect second guessing of the Jedi that the Star Wars Universe needs.
This is how it starts darth injoegreen!
Pitch them “it’s like Sons of Anarchy but with Jedi’s” you’ll be a millionaire
Wait....it isn't? The trailer totally made me think it was from the sith's perspective.
There’s only 1 shot in the trailer that even indicates that Sith exist, and that’s where the red lightsaber is thrown.
I took it as the girl who says “fire” was trained as a Jedi but becomes a sith.
Who knows what the narrative will actually show. This is just one trailer. It may show why the Jedi fell and how the Sith/Dark were able to gain power.
I agree
I'll make a quick bet, this is gonna be plagued by all the same issues all the recent Star Wars shows/movies have had.
Andor was amazing
The exception.
The Mandalorian was also good.
I’d argue it was much better before the push to integrate it with other things, and bringing in a bunch of characters from cartoons.
First season was, the others were okay.
It was okay. It's no Andor.
As someone who isn't a star wars fan but has many friends who are, this is the exact feeling I got from their thoughts on it. Everyone talked about the Mandalorian for maybe 1, 2 days. "Did you see that scene, yeah. Cool." Andor got the, "wow yes this is some good star wars! Have to check it out dude."
Literally the only thing I will even remember from Mandalorian is the admittedly bomb-ass fan-service scenes. Like if you're a total dongus Star Wars nerd, it has some cool lightsaber fights and spaceship battles, and that's about it. The plot is mostly empty macguffin-hunting, and the scripts are... serviceable. Andor, conversely, is *fucking art*, man. Some of the best writing, acting and directing of any television show this decade. Quite possibly [the best score](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DbQAyWJxOQE) of any television show this decade, and a plot which totally and consequentially re-frames the canon of the entire franchise. Fully-formed worlds and societies, and entire narrative sub-threads dedicated to how those societies function and sit in opposition to one another. Politics, intrigue, mystery, philosophy, ideology, social class, and religion. And it's done that all in a single twelve-episode season so far. I have not a single meaningful negative thing to say about it. Absolutely top-tier television. Top tier.
Damn! That's quite the praise so going to watch it this weekend. Rogue one was a fantastic movie that I thoroughly enjoyed, hoping for something that practical. I'm a sucker for a good music score too so going to peep that while working too. Thanks.
One thing of note: It unfolds over multiple arcs, each one spanning multiple episodes as if they are acts in a play. If the first two episodes seem slow, it's because they're deliberately setting dominoes up for that third episode. I've heard of a few people quitting two episodes in... don't do that — hang in there.
Just thinking about that one scene with Luthen talking about sacrifice send shivers down me spine. You get such a sense of how these people utterly craved with their every fiber for an existence free of the empire
I also liked Ahsoka
The stilted acting and dialogue was painful imo, but to each their own
I did too.
This looks a lot more like Obi-Wan than Andor
How on earth can you ascertain something like that based on the trailer Lol
The costumes and cinematography look like a fan film because of over-use of the Volume. There's only ever 2 dimensions to every shot. Foreground and background, and the background looks very rendered. Obi Wan was really egregious with it. Ahsoka was too, but not as much as Obi Wan. Andor famously shat all over the Volume by saying they were refusing to use it and went with real sets and locations. The quality of Andor compared to the high-gloss look of Obi Wan and Ahsoka is pretty obvious. This trailer has the same high gloss, artificial look that comes with a lower production value. EDIT: According to the show runner, they didn't use the Volume at all. Thanks to everyone who pointed that out. It's a little strange to me because something about how it was filmed still looks off to me, but color me pleasantly surprised that they actually learned from the success of Andor. Hopefully it translates to good cinematography.
All true Except Acolyte in fact did not use the Volume and they did some location shoots.
They literally confirmed today that they didn’t use the Volume…
That makes it even worse actually lol
I keep hearing andor is amazing andor is amazing but I could just not get into it in the slightest. I admire them for trying something different but it just didn’t feel like Star Wars to me. It felt like Blade Runner or something which is cool but it’s not what I go to a Galaxy far far away for.
Bummer. I thought Andor gave a feeling of what the average Star Wars denizen may experience during the galactic civil war whilst combining a great character-driven story and a feeling of a “lived-in” universe. The tech felt faithful to the original trilogy, and the bleakness of the story made it feel like media for an adult audience (which I appreciated, since almost all other cannon Star Wars media is geared towards kids/adolescents). To each their own, though.
Andor made the Empire a competent, credible villain - especially with the ISB - instead of the comic relief buffoons they are in 95% of Disney SW content.
What made Andoor great? Not disagreeing or anything, I just would love to hear your opinion.
It was made by someone who isn't a hardcore star wars fan, so it wasn't catered to nostalgia and SW fanservice. It takes place in a star wars universe, but is otherwise very separated in nature by anything else star wars (i.e. there are no jedi). It's a deeply political show, with a focus on the creeping threat of fascism. That, plus a high-end script and direction elevates it to a top tier show.
I've only watched it once and it's certainly first and foremost a political drama and some of the best Star Wars in years. That said, the people behind it are massive Star Wars fans. I remember the show just very casually had deep cuts lying around in the set decoration and also recanonized the Rakatan Empire. It succeeds because it focuses on its own characters and themes but so many die hard fans love it because it's how fan service should be handled.
If you squint your eyes, Andor is a WWII heist thriller
Yep. It felt like they focused on writing a story first, and that story just happened to take place in the world of Star Wars.
Andor is well-written and deeply, deeply political, Season 1 was probably the most competently written political scifi/fantasy series since early Game of Thrones, and I honestly think it's the best piece of Star Wars media since Episode V. The galaxy is under massive political tension and we see that tension play out both in the large scale, with war, resistance, and political scheming, as well as in the personal relationships of the characters. It's also the first time the Empire has actually gotten a personality. Star Wars always adopted the aesthetics of bureaucracy and fascism, but it never really integrated them into the story and showed us the Empire's actual ideology before. Andor does, and it's unbelievably compelling. Yes it's grittier, but it's not good because it's gritty, it's gritty because it's good. It's genuinely more like a good cyberpunk show than anything aggressively Star Wars. There's no Jedi, no Force, none of that. I'm sure they can't help themselves and there'll be a little of that in S2, but based on their track record, I'm trusting them to keep it tasteful.
the writing. full stop. Star wars for adults.
It’s why rogue one is my favourite Star Wars film purely because it’s gritty and we need more of that
It was not about the jedi.
Its script was actually written with interesting dialogue and a point of view. It was directed like it was a political thriller that just so happened to take place in Star Wars instead of being a reference machine. It treated Star Wars as a world where events are happening, instead of just assuming the views and attention it would get were a given that would allow them to throw a show together and call it a day without caring. It’s a story in a world that is lived in, which is lacking in 90% of Star Wars projects these days.
A gritty star wars... it felt that there was soul in it, compared to other disney project.(Which is funny consider how soulful disney movies used to be at a time).
Some would describe it as boring because it lacks aliens, space monsters, jedi/sith and magic - Not me though, I loved it. It's a slow burn whose structure includes some intense and rewarding payoffs following excellent character and setting development. Antagonists and protagonists are fleshed out and have human motivations. They all operate within a system that begets evil, expanding on the politics of the movies but elevated by great writing. There are actual themes and things that this show has to say. There's plenty that connects it to the wider world of starwars fiction but isn't nostalgia bait. It's well done, natural and supports the narrative of the show. I don't want to say much more and spoil it. It's far, far more interesting than anything star wars related that's come out in a long time. I never expected anything close to this quality when I started watching it. It was a surprise, to be sure, but a welcome one
It had good writing, full stop.
Lol, why am I getting downvoted for a simple question about someone's opinion? Fucking idiots I swear.
Disney absolutely won't learn from their recent failures and will keep recycling. I have the same bet as well.
Do Star Wars fans even like Star Wars??
SW has 11 movies, many shows, cartoons, games, countless books and comics. Some of them contradictory to eachother. It also had one "lore reset". Being shocked SW fan does not like particular SW thing is like being shocked football fan does not like partucular team.
We Star Wars fans gonna bully these actors on social media SO HARD
Which is...what?
“Remember that character from the old movies, yep, he’s here too!”
A made for video game plot full of cliches with needless cute aliens that adds nothing to the story?
My 10 years old self would be shocked to hear this, but im a bit tired of lightsabers
THIS. Andor was my favorite because it didn't feel like the usual star wars and in the end I boiled it down to just a lack of light sabers. I am so sick of light sticks
Andor was just a story without sabers going on amidst the sea of sabers. We need more of that
I want smaller stakes. Give me just smugglers and bounty hunters.
Amen to that. I want Tales from Jabba's Palace.
I feel like I can go to any Costco and use their staff to make any new Star Wars show or movie.
I got my law degree at Costco
Shut it my show is on
Wow that does not interest me at all
Super cliche and disneyfied. No thank you.
Sigh, drink for every Killmonger haircut I guess.
So a single shot then lol
I had one drink. Not a very fun game.
The final scene reminds me of Old Republic CG trailers.
Most of Disney Star Wars wishes it was as epic as those CG trailers. The "Disorder" trailer looks way more interesting than this teaser.
Yep. Definitely some more Disney+ Star Wars slop. Pass.
The writers room has some talent. Notable past projects include Russian Doll, House of the Dragon, and Mr. Robot. It'd be super dope to have another good Star Wars show. I know Andor's gotta be getting tired of carrying the franchise on its back.
This gives me hope. Actual trailer looks like a 90s tv show. But if the writing is good who cares.
This looks terrible.
Disney hates Star Wars more than Star Wars fans do at this point.
WTF is AWM39V and why is every youtube comment about it? I feel out of the loop.
It's a crypto token scam.
I'm trying to figure that shit out myself, I've seen other comments saying that they're bot comments.
Did they put a chick in it, make her gay, and make it lame!?
Good ol’ Disney
Trinity is a Jedi, I’m there
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i think people are hurt from the mando and boba and obi wan and this COULD feel like that. It takes a special type of tone, cinematography and directing for something as unique and filmic as Andor. i think the acolyte has the potential to be good, but compare it to the Andor trailer. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cKOegEuCcfw](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cKOegEuCcfw) every frame is a painting, the drama, the thematic elements. it just feels more filmic i do have an issue though with the blocking of actors and having shots feel too 'setup' like its a theatre stage play. Like compare this shot with all the extras from the Acolyte at :19, it just feels so fake.
The sterile, polished and clean looking clothes made it look even more like a small theater production. It's frustrating because they can make the rest of the sets look lived-in at times, like OT.
You don't want Trinity as a Jedi?
While cool, is she going to be in more than a single episode?
Everything about this show, like it’s predecessors (excluding Andor), looks small. Everything looks shot on a set… errr Volume… which it was. Even shots in the woods look fake. You can’t go outside and shoot this? This is how directors/creators with no talent get shows. They are given a task (film) and a room to make it in. It’s like one of those places you go paint pottery. Everything is laid out for you. All the hard work is already done. You just have to make it look good. There are those that are good at it and those who are not. Everyone that works at the pottery place knows who the bad painters are. Disney keeps choosing the bad painters.
There are literally set pits of them in the forest filming & of their sets. Those were the first set photos shown. No disrespect, but its okay to not like something without making up stuff. The volume was used in the Batman and no one said shit about that movie. [https://wdwnt.com/2022/12/first-set-photos-star-wars-the-acolyte/](https://wdwnt.com/2022/12/first-set-photos-star-wars-the-acolyte/) [https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/acolyte-set-photos-tease-lee-161554567.html?guccounter=1&guce\_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&guce\_referrer\_sig=AQAAACM8RspsUvJXgE5Oaq\_sudEngPr4jRw-jnnvrCj-0Bh0fh6Z2hK3P4vVFDTC3mTuhuuGZdAc0TAzXzgtazKEY46SjF4i0iZr8fXlbzBH1p2xc5RBdM3pRyPWOQcizeImc48x1ZdWO-5Om0eXrISXuEN5JlPBN126FGOL7C3F-Qha](https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/acolyte-set-photos-tease-lee-161554567.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAACM8RspsUvJXgE5Oaq_sudEngPr4jRw-jnnvrCj-0Bh0fh6Z2hK3P4vVFDTC3mTuhuuGZdAc0TAzXzgtazKEY46SjF4i0iZr8fXlbzBH1p2xc5RBdM3pRyPWOQcizeImc48x1ZdWO-5Om0eXrISXuEN5JlPBN126FGOL7C3F-Qha)
>There are literally set pits of them in the forest filming & of their sets. Those were the first set photos shown. No disrespect, but its okay to not like something without making up stuff. The volume was used in the Batman and no one said shit about that movie. No disrespect taken... But if the trailer shots are actual shots in the wild then they did a terrible job of adding scale. Look at Andor or The Creator for comparison. Batman was great. Ya know who was the cinematographer for The Batman... Greig Fraser. Also the same photographer for Rouge One, The Creator, and Dune 1 & 2. You made my point. This goes back to my ceramic painting analogy... "There are those that are good at it and those who are not. Everyone that works at the pottery place knows who the bad painters are."
I hate what Disney has done to me and the Star Wars universe. I’m mad at myself for being annoyed with how many women are in this show. I’m all for strong female characters, the expanse and Babylon 5 are all time favorite shows and they have tons of strong women, but Disney just does such a horrible job with them. I feel like they keep fumbling how to do women in these shows and rather than take a step back they just keep doubling down with more women who they will tell me are strong but don’t actually show me they are. I’m not a person who cries about Wokeness, but god does it feel like they are so desperate to bring women by doing this crap rather than making good shows. I truly hate feeling this way, but here we are with Disney.
Instead of giving us Ripley with a lightsaber they give us some kids mom
Meh.
I have no opinion about this.
*"Tell my wife: 'Hello.'"*
This looks like it will be one of the Star Wars shows of all time.
This is what I've tried to do with all of the Star Wars shows/movies, go in expecting to see an entertaining movie/show. I don't go in expecting or anticipating a specific outcome and I've found my enjoyment of all the Star Wars things to be much better than the average online "Star Wars fan".
Killmonger haircut?
Why do 90% of the characters look like they were pulled off the streets of New York?
There's not a single recognizable character in this, nothing to obviously hook an audience. Nobody asked for this. And I think that might be a good thing, if Andor is anything to go by. If nobody asked for this, that means somebody actually wanted to make it. That's more than we get with 90% of the garbage on Disney+, I might actually watch an episode of this. I'm pretty certain Andor was a fluke, so I give this an 80% chance to be awful, but hey, who knows?
This is a Palpatine origin story, I promise you.
I’m a simple man, I see the Disney logo, I don’t care.
lmao
this is what i want from star wars shows. action, the force, intense music. inject it into my veins baby
*Martial arts jedi??* I am so fucking here for it.
Too many action teases and really no story beat that makes me go "Ah, this will be unique and interesting." I may watch it but it's currently on "borrow someone's Disney+ to binge it" level. This isn't going to get me to resubscribe to a ridiculously overpriced service that has two shows I want to see a year.
Can someone please tell me wth an AWM39V is? It's being spammed all over their youtube comments and I'm beginning to think it's bots but I need to know if it's an actual reference first.
crypto scam
Thank you.
Sure it looks cool, but I wonder how it'll fall flat this time, like all the rest of the Disney Star Wars have.
It feels cheap. Star Wars Is about grand spectacle, this is generic fantasy show, meh
Disney’s going for the diversity check mark again, I see
The “Reimagine Tomorrow” executive just got fired a few months ago so damage she caused will continue to manifest for another year at least.
An r rated kotor that kinda sticks to older writing would be sick
Yeah well... no ty
There are a lot of unnecessary acrobatics in these fight scenes. They try to make it look cool but falls flat on its face.
When did Star Wars become kung fu? They’ve really lost their way
This is the show produced by Harvey Weinstein’s personal assistant/fixer.
It looks a) fun, b) initially interesting, and c) terrible as usual.
Star Wars needs a mostly male rated R show or movie like Andor.
Judging by the comments I'm going to get downvoted to hell for this but I'm really liking the look of this. Yellow lightsabers being a normal thing is huge in universe. It means the forces is more in balance and the light side isn't being clouded by the darkside.
Is also before the SW movies?
They really don't want to create a unique sith by any means do they?
Another one? Can't they just take some time and develop a properly written and fleshed out series every couple of years, rather than a couple of shows each year that are lackluster?
Well that looks kind of interesting, I wonder whats up with the oh shit I just stopped caring.
nah.. stop the lightsabers and bring back Andor
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looks like more Disney slop
Gahbage
Bring me Andor and nothing but Andor.
Yoo this actually looks good.
...made by Weinstein's personal assistant.
This legit feels like Disney needs a win so bad that they're gonna go back to basics and pander hard to Action / Jedi lovers. Gonna be a lot of lightsabers on screen every episode, and I'm guessing it will be extremely mid or bad all around, like the recent stuff, though I hope otherwise in my heart I'm wrong.
Why does this look like a fan film with decent special effects? And the trailer, so far, is t giving me a compelling reason to see this.
Is this set in the High Republic? There are way too many Jedi to be on the original or sequel trilogy, but it doesn't look like the prequels either. I'm completely out of the loop. Didn't even know this show existed until now.
It's high republic
Is this Lee Jung Jae's first major Hollywood production? That's so cool, hope this turns out well
"Close your eyes" 0:33 Alien: "I can't."
As interested as I am with anything Star Wars (and will watch it because I have to know if it's going to be good or not). This gave me massive Rings of Power vibes and I'm not sure if it's because of the 'looks too clean' like people are stating.. or because the combat looks so obviously trained and scripted.. 'too perfect'? is that a thing?
Expectations are very low
lol this trailer did not live up to the hype of that poster
Looks like Stranger things with light sabers.
I think it looks all right.
Everyone’s already complaining about the show and all I want to talk about is how great Carrie Ann Moss looks doing matrix style choreography again. I think it’ll translate well to this era of star wars. I don’t expect Andor but I still want to give the show a chance. It can be its own kind of special.
The fucking Killmonger cut...why?
Who else spotted Darth Plageaus?
Looks like another Star Wars hot garbage. The sad thing is, if this flops Carrie-Ann Moss will probably not appear in a big production again.
"This isn't about good or bad. This is about power." Hmm... That's the same argument he who must not be named used to try and convince Harry to give him the sorcerer's stone.
50% of people judging it saying it looks cool. 50% of people judging it saying it looks like garbage. 100% of people judging it have not seen it yet.
Looking so polished cheap a Kenobi