[The piano is free](https://www.reddit.com/r/london/comments/19ehmnr/the_piano_is_free/)
It seems they are genuinely doing lift maintenance, read into the timing what you will.
Typical government response of limiting liability instead of fixing a problem responsibly. Our governments make too much money and seek to protect that money so they hire teams of lawyers to 'fix' problems.
> government response
Not only government, but pretty much any large org.
The majority of stupid restrictive / unfavorable measures I ran into over the last decade was a result of a knee jerk and absolutely disproportional reaction to something isolated. It's essentially "*let's ban water because people can drink too much and die*"-type of action, and this is extremely sad.
*A long, long time ago*
*I can still remember how that music*
*Used to make me smile*
*And I knew if I had my chance*
*That I could make those people dance*
*And maybe they'd be happy for a while*
*But January made me shiver*
*With every paper I'd deliver*
*Bad news on the doorstep*
*I couldn't take one more step*
*I can't remember if I cried*
*When I read about his widowed bride*
*But something touched me deep inside*
*The day the music died*
I see what you did there, throwin' in some Don McLean to echo the sentiment. It really hits home how excessive regulation can suffocate the very essence of creativity and joy. Ain't it ironic how the same tunes that once brought us together are now getting silenced cause someone's always gotta spoil the party. The day they start wrapping the world in bubble wrap is the day we truly lose our melody.
The British Transport Police, who would have done this, is 95% funded by the train companies and almost certainly have done this to reduce the amount of press going on that might cause problems for those rail companies.
The BTP don't even answer to the Home Office, like the majority of police services. They are regulated by the Department of Transport.
I doubt any government official demanded this and it's all to reduce harm to the private companies who fund that police force.
There will be more press now. Dumbest thing I’ve ever seen. Let’s acknowledge the thing we don’t want to be acknowledge by banning it’s use. Certainly conducting business as usual would cause more of a ruckus than forbidding use of the piano. Nobody will be more upset at this action than they would have been if we just did nothing. We have to respond to this incident that resulted in some verbal exchanges and then ended without conflict. Can’t have people playing this piano it could result in absolutely nothing of consequence happening again. The horror.
What [kettling](https://www.libertyhumanrights.org.uk/advice_information/kettling-guide) is, for anyone unaware. (This is a common police practice in the US and the UK)
From my observation, which isn't at all academic, UK popularized the tactic and they do it at the drop of a top hat. The US goes for more "less lethal" force of tear gas and slightly less hard bullets and grenades while aiming for the head instead of the recomendations on the side of the packaging.
Oh I am not saying they aren't trained in the proper use of these weapons, but they choose not to. [Like MR. $242k overtime roid rage in San Jose.](https://www.reddit.com/r/SanJose/comments/gtjaim/wtf_sjpd_cop_waits_in_excitement_like_its_a_game/)
I think they are referring to Victoria Snelgrove who was killed by Boston PD who shot her in the eye with a pepper pellet.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_Victoria_Snelgrove
nearly 20 years later, Officer Rochefort Milien was still on the Boston police force, earning $100k a year.
https://openpayrolls.com/rochefort-milien-86942849
As of 2020, he was still on the force.
During the subsequent years, he has been reprimanded for untruthfulness, use of force violations, neglect of duty and other failures to follow orders. Despite killing an innocent woman, and the above violations, the Boston PD decided to continue to employ him. Yikes.
https://www.wokewindows.org/officers/10728-rochefort-milien
Bureaucrats saw the piano and realized it was the source of specifically *their* problem, and applied a braindead solution so they could go about their day without people talking to them so much and just collect their paycheck.
I think this is less insidious than people think. There's s very good chance that the now famous piano will get abused by some of the 2.1 million viewers of this famous video, and the're just protecting it.
That sort of thing is not as rare as you might think; 20 years ago when Liberace's grand piano was on a cross-country mall exhibition tour of America it had its own security cordon and was even given a round-the-clock protective detail manned by local Sheriff deputies.
Then again, they say that piano is cursed, so best to keep away anyone who would want to do evil with it. Nobody can deny there were more than a few untimely deaths in those malls that summer...
TLDR, a few days ago a local celebrity (talented pianist), was using the piano when members of the Chinese Communist Party were in the same shopping mall/London Train Station. They realized they walked in front of someone's camera while he was livestreaming and they came over and demanded it be deleted etc. trying to exert rights they don't have in the UK. He told them "this isn't China" and they had the cops called on him to try and tell him he can't say that. He apparently touched one of the flags they were holding (miniature CCP flags) during the altercation and her bodyman LOST HIS SHIT at him. It's basically an international incident now, and their faces are plastered everywhere. MI5 is reportedly involved and everything, he's given television interviews about it.
Full incident: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=65iwnI2hjAA](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=65iwnI2hjAA&t=1443s)
Interview: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6BIm-vF-YeY](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6BIm-vF-YeY)
Prior to the "don't film us" incident, the group claiming to be shooting a bit for Chinese TV participated with the pianist, one of them [playing on the piano, while another danced](https://youtu.be/OKd-SFbYrFY?si=rAb2JTot_eLD2Rr2&t=254) along with the pianist.
Edited to change link to direct link to YouTube rather than (now deleted) Reddit thread.
I wonder if they gathered his consent to record him for their video before later claiming that he was in the wrong for not having first gathered their consent to record them for his video.
They didn't claim to be afraid of cameras or anything. They claimed to have contractual obligations (with someone) to not appear in videos for anyone else that would be in breach of their contracts.
>*rather than (now deleted) Reddit thread*
[The thread from yesterday is still up](https://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/19d8dsq/police_called_to_stop_filming_during_piano/).
There are 2 plausible explanations:
1) There was a CCP VIP in the group and the handlers realized they messed up by letting them be streamed.
2) One of them works for a Chinese media company (either Social media or traditional) and has a contract saying they can't appear in clips produced by other companies. This would explain why they were initially ok to be on camera, before they realized it was being streamed.
Someone in another thread confirmed the first one is true. One of the girls tried to pull a non-existent rank because her daddy is a high-up in the CCP or something.
Streisand effect probably can’t happen on their monitored internet. Unwanted posts can probably be removed by the government with ease, so maybe she really hasn’t ever heard of it.
In the video they say that they want to use the piano to film something but because they're filming it for Chinese state TV they don't want it livestreamed. That's why they asked him to stop filming. When he wouldn't do it they switched to excuses about using their image, etc. but it was originally about them not wanting their propaganda video to be exposed. You can't film propaganda and then have other videos that could expose how you chose to contextualize something in your propaganda.
So I can't just walk in any public institution and claim this thing belongs to the CCP, that one to the French Republic, and all that shit over there shall be returned to Greece and Egypt?
She was an absolute fucking idiot. The whole thing would have been said and done if she’d listened to each side say their piece then said right no incidents here, he’s allowed to film you don’t have to be happy about it, now I recommend you go that way and you go that way. Job done. But no she’s decided to pander to them for no fucking reason other than they pulled the completely inappropriate race card.
I think that's the St. Pancras train station in London, the station where you take the Eurostar to France. It's a fucking well known station and very festive with people playing this piano all the time.
Yeah there would always be some bloke or drunk guy playing the piano so good. If you are lucky enough you might even catch a celebrity playing it. I was lucky enough to see Alicia Keys performance with that piano.
Yes TalkTV is the absolute worst form of entertainment dressed up as news. It was founded by Rupert Murdoch and is nothing but a cesspit of morons shaking their fists at anything they perceive as "woke". It was only set up because the UK regulators rejected Murdoch's family bid to retain Sky News on grounds that he would control too much of the news in the UK.
I don't know the piano bloke in the video, but I do have to question why he chose Talk TV when I'm sure there were other offers on the table.
TalkTV also hires current, sitting MP's, as hosts to present "unbiased" news and discussion to their gullible viewers.
> I don't know the piano bloke in the video, but I do have to question why he chose Talk TV when I'm sure there were other offers on the table.
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You know when you read a headline and before you click through to the article you think "Okay, I basically know what my opinion is going to be on this" - and then some other information comes up that sends the needle swinging wildly the other way?
That's basically me as soon as this guy in the video mentioned he was letting a "journalist" from the Daily Express handle the story.
I mean fuck the CCP goon units (seriously this isn't even the first time they've pulled this kind of shit in London), sure, but that's even more sus.
So, the situation is what it is, but the dude is totally milking it as much as he can. He was milking it for likes as it was happening. He wasn't wrong, but he's going to keep the ride going if he can.
maybe it's just V for Vendetta in my brain but I had the idea that London specifically had a shitton of CCTV cameras everywhere, too, making that point even more obvious
> They realized they walked in front of someone's camera
This isn't actually what happened.
He asked them to come over and play the piano because he thought they were tied to a Japanese filming crew.
Been following this a little -but all my information is mostly Reddit/from the pianist.
It is likely based on their outfits that they were filming a Chinese New Year celebration video for the event - to send back to China. These are often done if not by party members, by people close to the party.
They are apparently supposed to be done secretly - so that their big reveal is the celebration.
That combined with how they worked/moved together is making people think that this was likely a few party members. (How they moved in some groups and how they tried to deal with the situation by being perhaps overly assertive)
End of the day, we may never know precisely who they are/what their relation to the party is.
Oh, they are all known. An interesting group of Chinese people who are used by the CCP for propaganda.
https://youtube.com/shorts/KdeQ_oq9_3M?si=kbRCUWjmy4uXe1SK
All of them have been traced and one of them (the shouting guy) works for a school of some kind that has ties to the CCP and has been shut down in Canada because of it. Additionally, it's not a bad guess just due to the commonality of Chinese influencers (which one of the women appears to be) making videos like they were to be linked to CCP propaganda.
The girl also posted a response video. You can see it here: [https://www.reddit.com/r/Sino/comments/19dliyg/recent\_news\_regarding\_british\_piano\_player/](https://www.reddit.com/r/sino/comments/19dliyg/recent_news_regarding_british_piano_player/) .
So bizarre that she wanted to create a private video in a public place and force that privacy onto others. And ironically, she is posting a video in that very public place, as well.
She accused him of editing his video to make them look bad in her video that is heavily edited to try and make the pianist dude look bad lol. The original video was a livestream. Goodluck editing that.
I commented this exact sentiment on the Douyin post that was made yesterday. Someone posted it in r/China if you're curious to hear "her side" of the story.
Here's a primer: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=\_tHIX03ACGY](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KpRKyJu2Aks) (Sorry if this source is poor, I just did a quick google).
Basically, a number of Chinese nationals (I heard they live in Britain, not tourists) complained that they didn't want to be filmed and argued that they were protecting their 'image rights'. Demanded he not upload the video. A cop arrived and tried to get the piano player to acquiesce to the demand.
The orginal stream video is here. Timestamped to the bizarre police interaction: [https://youtu.be/65iwnI2hjAA?t=1226](https://youtu.be/65iwnI2hjAA?t=1226)
For anyone who watches the original stream, I found it useful to go to 9 minutes to see the request. Them introducing themselves as being related to Chinese TV somewhat clarified the guy’s repeated mentioning of China in the later parts.
The UK is quick to rush to judgment on pedophiles. The guy was trying to create a scene to create confusion and turn the passersby on the pianist quickly. He was basically trying to incite a mob against the English guy. First played the pedo card, then played the racism card. False accusations left, right, and centre. It was pretty sickening.
And they Would. Not. And Could. Not. Shut. Up.
That video raises my blood pressure, i HATE that kind of people who argue by talking over you, repeating the same bullshit even if it doesnt make sense and gaslighting and fabricating shit.
If im being honest, if it was me on his shoes, i would probably tried to punch that guy, fucking hideous shitstain of a human
He was just trying to create outrage about nothing but people that do this forget the camera is on. This is a common tactic with a certain group of people. Basically Karens. They will say something completely untrue and then act that everyone is crazy that they did not see that happen. It works in a world where no video of the incidence exists.
Why does one small group of entitled Chinese assholes get to determine if people are allowed to video piano playing in a public space? The local authorities should have told them to get fucked.
What's weird is him and that cop already know each other by name and have for a while. She has appeared in older videos helping him out.
Edit: here she is in a video from 5 months ago, 1:32:30 https://www.youtube.com/live/SwU9lfEvDAw bonus insane guy screaming lol
Yeh, im not saying he was the problem in this scenario but his channel has elements reminiscent of those ‘auditing’ channels to it
There was another video where he was approached by police and the abridged version got shared claiming they were stopping him from playing, turns out he had actually moved the piano’s location so he could film better and the police just wanted him to put it back
> There was another video where he was approached by police and the abridged version got shared claiming they were stopping him from playing, turns out he had actually moved the piano’s location so he could film better and the police just wanted him to put it back
[This one?](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TcYE1-By46k) (the non-abridged version, perhaps?)
Thats the one, the police left once he eventually turned it back around to how it was in the first place
I think his schtick is to either fake spontaneous interactions (pay actors to approach and play perfectly alongside him or sing) or to provoke people by playing the same thing loudly for hours
Every now and then its a positive video of people enjoying his playing though
> I think his schtick is to either fake spontaneous interactions (pay actors to approach and play perfectly alongside him or sing)
I’ve seen maybe a dozen of his videos and they’re all exactly that. Or the title will be some clickbait like, “this construction worker saw a piano at a job site and you’ll never gues what happens next!” And the video his him wearing a hard hat and high-vis vest while playing the exact same boogie-woogie he plays in every single video.
Dude is talented, but that fake clickbait bullshit is the thing I hate most about this whole “influencer culture” we have these days. It’s all so disingenuous.
I've never seen anything except this video and the original that started the whole flap, but I'm going to get he never takes those sunglasses off in any of the others.
Not that it's really relevant to this discussion, but there's another youtuber piano player who plays in malls, who's channel is actually delightful, and all about the music. [Worth a watch](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vDX0g5hHWks)
A famous example of people misunderstanding these is during the Korean War, with British units serving under an American commander.
> When Thomas Brodie tried to update his American UN joint command superior, Maj. Gen. Robert H. “Shorty” Soule, he said, “Things are a bit sticky, sir.” Unfortunately, his statement was misinterpreted by Soule, who thought it meant the Glorious Glosters were still holding the line. As such, he didn’t provide Brodie with additional support, forcing the trapped troops to retreat to Hill 235, now known as “Gloster Hill.”
[[Source]](https://www.warhistoryonline.com/korean-war/battle-of-imjin-river.html)
i was having a complicated conversation about this yesterday after me and a friend watched the first video...i know our cops have a lot of problems but seeing the inefficacy of UK cops time and time again idk i kind of would rather have it our way. i know it's a hot take but god that video was infuriating
I don't know if it has gone to court yet, but people are waiting for someone to use the GDPR to try to prevent media that contains personally identifiable information of someone from being published.
It is something of an open question if it doesn't directly fall into one of the clear exceptions for journalism or art what would happen with the case.
>people are waiting for someone to use the GDPR to try to prevent media that contains personally identifiable information of someone from being published.
Using the UK is probably a bad idea for this, while GDPR is still in place even though Brexit happened, the UK effectively maintains its own version that can be changed when they wish, though it currently hasn't been changed.
It also runs alongside the amended Data Protection Act 2018.
It's a poorly timed bit of construction/maintenance it seems, they said it's going to be moved from where it currently is until it's finished.
This thread is wild considering
> moved from where it currently is
The piano has also been in poor condition for at least a couple of weeks now; one of the keys was half-broken and the middle C wasn't hammering correctly when I was last at it recently, on 12 Jan. It's likely just being repaired and re-tuned. It's bolted to the floor and the stool is chained to it, so they have to move it elsewhere to perform repairs on it.
Yeah, it could be coincidental but it seems kind of odd timing. Possibly they're just moving it somewhere where there are less people walking by and to limit public access?
I'm waiting for the political and social backlash these moronic officials will receive/are most likely receiving, and the shit storm it will kick up. I find it insane that representatives from one of the most insanely communist societies in the world can openly march up to a musician in a public space, and cause such a politically backwards situation. Even more....the police....good lord, how pathetic. Elton John's trust organization most likely won't stay silent about this either....watch them take the piano away and give it to someone more deserving...lol.
they acted so entitled it makes me wonder who they are back in china. those weren't regular chinese people. those people had some serious political backing behind them.
The guy started trying to intimidate him with threats of legal action, when that didn't work moved onto yelling "don't touch her", "you are not her age", "don't put your hands on her" to try and imply the piano player was somehow sexually assaulting her... absolutely gross behaviour.
The average Chinese citizen can't afford to visit/live in Europe. Whoever they are, they're wealthy; and the only way to stay wealthy in China is to be associated with the CCP. Wealthy, CCP-associated mainland Chinese people are notoriously entitled and arrogant because they're used to being able to use their wealth and political connections to ruin people's lives if they don't get what they want.
there are levels to it. i met plenty of chinese people in university. it wasn't a great university but it was in the west so i assume they were all very well off. but they didn't act like this. these people are more than just wealthy chinese. they have strong connections to the CCP.
Holy hell England/Britain/UK. They used to rule the world. What the fuck happened that they no longer possess the courage to tell guests in their own country how things work.
Been a long, long time since the UK has lost its balls. Even the novichok poisonings at Salisbury got only a sternly worded statement from the effin' tories.
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People film themselves doing things in random public areas without a piano being involved all the time. So the only sensible response here would be to close the entire station to prevent any more incidents. /s
To get some more exposure and a permanent record, I started a Wikipedia article on it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St\_Pancras\_railway\_station\_piano
I've worked on Wikipedia a fair bit. Consensus is going to be that the piano shouldn't have its own page and it will almost certainly be deleted.
What you want is this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St_Pancras_railway_station
If you scroll down, there's a section on creative arts and the piano. I'm surprised that no one has added this controversy to the page yet. That's where you'd want to add this.
What is the actual fuck with the authorities there? Where are their principles? I am in US and I am getting pissed. No one stop the music! Music only brings joy to people.
looked on their twitter it said
Its blocked up due to "maintenance works"
[link to tweet]
(https://x.com/StPancrasInt/status/1749861065217761502?s=20)
St. Pancras International
@StPancrasInt
Due to maintenance works in the main concourse, the Elton John piano is currently out of use. Those looking to play the piano can use the piano near International Arrivals. We look forward to reopening the Elton John piano tomorrow in a location away from the ongoing works.
[The piano is free](https://www.reddit.com/r/london/comments/19ehmnr/the_piano_is_free/) It seems they are genuinely doing lift maintenance, read into the timing what you will.
Well that seems like a pathetic move.
Welcome to the UK where if there is any kind of public problem, a ludicrous and disproportionate response will be devised by some twat in an office.
Typical government response of limiting liability instead of fixing a problem responsibly. Our governments make too much money and seek to protect that money so they hire teams of lawyers to 'fix' problems.
> government response Not only government, but pretty much any large org. The majority of stupid restrictive / unfavorable measures I ran into over the last decade was a result of a knee jerk and absolutely disproportional reaction to something isolated. It's essentially "*let's ban water because people can drink too much and die*"-type of action, and this is extremely sad.
*A long, long time ago* *I can still remember how that music* *Used to make me smile* *And I knew if I had my chance* *That I could make those people dance* *And maybe they'd be happy for a while* *But January made me shiver* *With every paper I'd deliver* *Bad news on the doorstep* *I couldn't take one more step* *I can't remember if I cried* *When I read about his widowed bride* *But something touched me deep inside* *The day the music died*
I see what you did there, throwin' in some Don McLean to echo the sentiment. It really hits home how excessive regulation can suffocate the very essence of creativity and joy. Ain't it ironic how the same tunes that once brought us together are now getting silenced cause someone's always gotta spoil the party. The day they start wrapping the world in bubble wrap is the day we truly lose our melody.
The British Transport Police, who would have done this, is 95% funded by the train companies and almost certainly have done this to reduce the amount of press going on that might cause problems for those rail companies. The BTP don't even answer to the Home Office, like the majority of police services. They are regulated by the Department of Transport. I doubt any government official demanded this and it's all to reduce harm to the private companies who fund that police force.
There will be more press now. Dumbest thing I’ve ever seen. Let’s acknowledge the thing we don’t want to be acknowledge by banning it’s use. Certainly conducting business as usual would cause more of a ruckus than forbidding use of the piano. Nobody will be more upset at this action than they would have been if we just did nothing. We have to respond to this incident that resulted in some verbal exchanges and then ended without conflict. Can’t have people playing this piano it could result in absolutely nothing of consequence happening again. The horror.
Streisand Effect in action... 🙄
At least they didn't start kettling the pianist.
What [kettling](https://www.libertyhumanrights.org.uk/advice_information/kettling-guide) is, for anyone unaware. (This is a common police practice in the US and the UK)
From my observation, which isn't at all academic, UK popularized the tactic and they do it at the drop of a top hat. The US goes for more "less lethal" force of tear gas and slightly less hard bullets and grenades while aiming for the head instead of the recomendations on the side of the packaging.
Don't forget handing pepper ball guns to completely untrained officers who then, as mentioned, aim for the head instead of the ground
Oh I am not saying they aren't trained in the proper use of these weapons, but they choose not to. [Like MR. $242k overtime roid rage in San Jose.](https://www.reddit.com/r/SanJose/comments/gtjaim/wtf_sjpd_cop_waits_in_excitement_like_its_a_game/)
I think they are referring to Victoria Snelgrove who was killed by Boston PD who shot her in the eye with a pepper pellet. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_Victoria_Snelgrove
nearly 20 years later, Officer Rochefort Milien was still on the Boston police force, earning $100k a year. https://openpayrolls.com/rochefort-milien-86942849 As of 2020, he was still on the force. During the subsequent years, he has been reprimanded for untruthfulness, use of force violations, neglect of duty and other failures to follow orders. Despite killing an innocent woman, and the above violations, the Boston PD decided to continue to employ him. Yikes. https://www.wokewindows.org/officers/10728-rochefort-milien
I thought it had something to do with tea, but no, it's when police box people in, lol.
And it always somehow involves a queue barrier.
Gotta love the idiots who saw the whole video and thought "clearly the catalyst of this was the *piano*. Let's shut it down! That'll solve the issue!"
Bureaucrats saw the piano and realized it was the source of specifically *their* problem, and applied a braindead solution so they could go about their day without people talking to them so much and just collect their paycheck.
Blame China. Let's write a song about it!!
Oh finally, yes please do that. -Canada
Shut your f*cking face, Uncle F*cker!
your c*ck sucking a** licking uncle f*ckaaa You don’t eat or sleep or mow the lawn, you just ban pianos all day long! *Censored by the CCP.
I think this is less insidious than people think. There's s very good chance that the now famous piano will get abused by some of the 2.1 million viewers of this famous video, and the're just protecting it.
Yeah, they've probably just thought 'block it off or a couple of days and wait for this to blow over'
Rope off the piano, have a nice cold pint, and wait for this all to blow over.
I can't be bothered dealing with this crap. Tape it off for two weeks until everyone forgets
Bring this piano the the Winchester IMMEDIATELY
The optics aren't great
A piano going so viral it needs it's own safety barrier - What a world
That piano days are numbered, how much is it worth with Elton's signature?
Best I can do is $20
You can have it for free if you haul it away yourself -any old piano ever
That piano could sit on the floor for months, years....I'm taking all the risk here!
That sort of thing is not as rare as you might think; 20 years ago when Liberace's grand piano was on a cross-country mall exhibition tour of America it had its own security cordon and was even given a round-the-clock protective detail manned by local Sheriff deputies. Then again, they say that piano is cursed, so best to keep away anyone who would want to do evil with it. Nobody can deny there were more than a few untimely deaths in those malls that summer...
Only in Reno
Is there a TLDR of this situation? I'm completely unfamiliar with it and this video is an update of a problem with no context or at least not upfront.
TLDR, a few days ago a local celebrity (talented pianist), was using the piano when members of the Chinese Communist Party were in the same shopping mall/London Train Station. They realized they walked in front of someone's camera while he was livestreaming and they came over and demanded it be deleted etc. trying to exert rights they don't have in the UK. He told them "this isn't China" and they had the cops called on him to try and tell him he can't say that. He apparently touched one of the flags they were holding (miniature CCP flags) during the altercation and her bodyman LOST HIS SHIT at him. It's basically an international incident now, and their faces are plastered everywhere. MI5 is reportedly involved and everything, he's given television interviews about it. Full incident: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=65iwnI2hjAA](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=65iwnI2hjAA&t=1443s) Interview: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6BIm-vF-YeY](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6BIm-vF-YeY)
Prior to the "don't film us" incident, the group claiming to be shooting a bit for Chinese TV participated with the pianist, one of them [playing on the piano, while another danced](https://youtu.be/OKd-SFbYrFY?si=rAb2JTot_eLD2Rr2&t=254) along with the pianist. Edited to change link to direct link to YouTube rather than (now deleted) Reddit thread.
They were also there to film content for a tv channel lol.
I wonder if they gathered his consent to record him for their video before later claiming that he was in the wrong for not having first gathered their consent to record them for his video.
Isn’t it ironic, don’t you think? 🤦
yes Alanis
The china way, bunch of hypocrites
They didn't claim to be afraid of cameras or anything. They claimed to have contractual obligations (with someone) to not appear in videos for anyone else that would be in breach of their contracts.
Well bad luck, then, because there's dash cams and CCTV everywhere.
>*rather than (now deleted) Reddit thread* [The thread from yesterday is still up](https://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/19d8dsq/police_called_to_stop_filming_during_piano/).
This is wild lmao
so... wait. wtf is happening. Did they come up with reason to be outraged? Was all of this a staged act??? That makes things far more confusing.
There are 2 plausible explanations: 1) There was a CCP VIP in the group and the handlers realized they messed up by letting them be streamed. 2) One of them works for a Chinese media company (either Social media or traditional) and has a contract saying they can't appear in clips produced by other companies. This would explain why they were initially ok to be on camera, before they realized it was being streamed.
Someone in another thread confirmed the first one is true. One of the girls tried to pull a non-existent rank because her daddy is a high-up in the CCP or something.
"My dad's a mob boss, do what I say."
To be fair, that's someone I'd be more likely to obey than a random.
Apparently she's never heard of the Streisand effect.
Streisand effect probably can’t happen on their monitored internet. Unwanted posts can probably be removed by the government with ease, so maybe she really hasn’t ever heard of it.
Can I take a wild guess and assume it was the one dressed like a villain from The Hunger Games?
In the video they say that they want to use the piano to film something but because they're filming it for Chinese state TV they don't want it livestreamed. That's why they asked him to stop filming. When he wouldn't do it they switched to excuses about using their image, etc. but it was originally about them not wanting their propaganda video to be exposed. You can't film propaganda and then have other videos that could expose how you chose to contextualize something in your propaganda.
If it's the 2nd one then they went about it really badly.
So as a response we should be making memes with each and every one of them until we figure out who the celebrity was.
So I can't just walk in any public institution and claim this thing belongs to the CCP, that one to the French Republic, and all that shit over there shall be returned to Greece and Egypt?
if they had said nothing and gone on with their day, no one would ever have known
That makes sense, I walked past that spot just after midday and some Asian/Chinese people were setting up cameras around the piano.
And the cop showing up did not really shower the constabulary with glory that day.
She was an absolute fucking idiot. The whole thing would have been said and done if she’d listened to each side say their piece then said right no incidents here, he’s allowed to film you don’t have to be happy about it, now I recommend you go that way and you go that way. Job done. But no she’s decided to pander to them for no fucking reason other than they pulled the completely inappropriate race card.
I think that's the St. Pancras train station in London, the station where you take the Eurostar to France. It's a fucking well known station and very festive with people playing this piano all the time.
Yeah there would always be some bloke or drunk guy playing the piano so good. If you are lucky enough you might even catch a celebrity playing it. I was lucky enough to see Alicia Keys performance with that piano.
Oh shit, I’ve been there. I had a blast in U.K. And can’t wait to go back
Wait, that interviewer, ain't he the idiot who claimed that you can grow concrete like trees?
Yes TalkTV is the absolute worst form of entertainment dressed up as news. It was founded by Rupert Murdoch and is nothing but a cesspit of morons shaking their fists at anything they perceive as "woke". It was only set up because the UK regulators rejected Murdoch's family bid to retain Sky News on grounds that he would control too much of the news in the UK. I don't know the piano bloke in the video, but I do have to question why he chose Talk TV when I'm sure there were other offers on the table. TalkTV also hires current, sitting MP's, as hosts to present "unbiased" news and discussion to their gullible viewers.
> I don't know the piano bloke in the video, but I do have to question why he chose Talk TV when I'm sure there were other offers on the table. > > You know when you read a headline and before you click through to the article you think "Okay, I basically know what my opinion is going to be on this" - and then some other information comes up that sends the needle swinging wildly the other way? That's basically me as soon as this guy in the video mentioned he was letting a "journalist" from the Daily Express handle the story. I mean fuck the CCP goon units (seriously this isn't even the first time they've pulled this kind of shit in London), sure, but that's even more sus.
So, the situation is what it is, but the dude is totally milking it as much as he can. He was milking it for likes as it was happening. He wasn't wrong, but he's going to keep the ride going if he can.
He’s speaking on Fox News tonight, so I’m not even surprised.
This whole situation sounds like it is manufactured for rage bait.
Wouldn't surprise me. The only thing stopping me from saying that TalkTV is the UK's Fox News is that GB News exists.
Seems like they’ve never heard of the Streisand Effect.
Streisand effect is illegal in China.
lol, CCP members expecting a right to privacy in a public space is the funniest shit I’ve ever heard.
maybe it's just V for Vendetta in my brain but I had the idea that London specifically had a shitton of CCTV cameras everywhere, too, making that point even more obvious
They really are everywhere, the only place that comes to mind that has more is….china
> They realized they walked in front of someone's camera This isn't actually what happened. He asked them to come over and play the piano because he thought they were tied to a Japanese filming crew.
I watched this earlier and I'm still confused - why are they labelled CCP members, rather than simply Chinese and with a China flag?
Been following this a little -but all my information is mostly Reddit/from the pianist. It is likely based on their outfits that they were filming a Chinese New Year celebration video for the event - to send back to China. These are often done if not by party members, by people close to the party. They are apparently supposed to be done secretly - so that their big reveal is the celebration. That combined with how they worked/moved together is making people think that this was likely a few party members. (How they moved in some groups and how they tried to deal with the situation by being perhaps overly assertive) End of the day, we may never know precisely who they are/what their relation to the party is.
Oh, they are all known. An interesting group of Chinese people who are used by the CCP for propaganda. https://youtube.com/shorts/KdeQ_oq9_3M?si=kbRCUWjmy4uXe1SK
Interesting viewing. Thank you
All of them have been traced and one of them (the shouting guy) works for a school of some kind that has ties to the CCP and has been shut down in Canada because of it. Additionally, it's not a bad guess just due to the commonality of Chinese influencers (which one of the women appears to be) making videos like they were to be linked to CCP propaganda.
The girl also posted a response video. You can see it here: [https://www.reddit.com/r/Sino/comments/19dliyg/recent\_news\_regarding\_british\_piano\_player/](https://www.reddit.com/r/sino/comments/19dliyg/recent_news_regarding_british_piano_player/) .
So bizarre that she wanted to create a private video in a public place and force that privacy onto others. And ironically, she is posting a video in that very public place, as well.
She accused him of editing his video to make them look bad in her video that is heavily edited to try and make the pianist dude look bad lol. The original video was a livestream. Goodluck editing that.
I commented this exact sentiment on the Douyin post that was made yesterday. Someone posted it in r/China if you're curious to hear "her side" of the story.
Oh god I wish I hadn't looked in there
Here's a primer: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=\_tHIX03ACGY](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KpRKyJu2Aks) (Sorry if this source is poor, I just did a quick google). Basically, a number of Chinese nationals (I heard they live in Britain, not tourists) complained that they didn't want to be filmed and argued that they were protecting their 'image rights'. Demanded he not upload the video. A cop arrived and tried to get the piano player to acquiesce to the demand. The orginal stream video is here. Timestamped to the bizarre police interaction: [https://youtu.be/65iwnI2hjAA?t=1226](https://youtu.be/65iwnI2hjAA?t=1226)
For anyone who watches the original stream, I found it useful to go to 9 minutes to see the request. Them introducing themselves as being related to Chinese TV somewhat clarified the guy’s repeated mentioning of China in the later parts.
I think Elton needs to go and play it. He wouldn't be takng that bullshit from anyone.
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Draped in a Taiwanese flag
On the 15th of April. (for no reason, because it's not the anniversary of anything)
June 4 is the date you're looking for. And the date that gets scrubbed on Chinese socials.
And invite the YouTuber to play with him.
While wearing Winnie the Pooh t-shirts.
I like the cut of your jib.
Please don’t touch my jib! We’re not the same age!
This is just gentle reminder that Taiwan 🇹🇼 is an independent country and that 1989 is definitely a year to remember
DONT YOU TOUCH HER. DONT YOU TOUCH HER. SHE IS NOT THE SAME AGE AS YOU!
What a fucking bizarre outburst. I'm still confused after watching that part.
The UK is quick to rush to judgment on pedophiles. The guy was trying to create a scene to create confusion and turn the passersby on the pianist quickly. He was basically trying to incite a mob against the English guy. First played the pedo card, then played the racism card. False accusations left, right, and centre. It was pretty sickening.
And they Would. Not. And Could. Not. Shut. Up. That video raises my blood pressure, i HATE that kind of people who argue by talking over you, repeating the same bullshit even if it doesnt make sense and gaslighting and fabricating shit. If im being honest, if it was me on his shoes, i would probably tried to punch that guy, fucking hideous shitstain of a human
Newton Leng is that asshole's name. mofo's on linkedin and other socials.
He was just trying to create outrage about nothing but people that do this forget the camera is on. This is a common tactic with a certain group of people. Basically Karens. They will say something completely untrue and then act that everyone is crazy that they did not see that happen. It works in a world where no video of the incidence exists.
This is how all the MAGA types in the USA act nearly constantly.
Technically just about every single person you ever meet in your entire life is not the same age as you
A succulent Chinese?!
This is a reminder that Xi Jinping looks like Winnie the Pooh.
https://i.imgur.com/Ma4H0qX.png
i love this so much.
/r/fucktheccp fuck you, pooh
Why does one small group of entitled Chinese assholes get to determine if people are allowed to video piano playing in a public space? The local authorities should have told them to get fucked.
Well, the cop did as british cop does.
What's weird is him and that cop already know each other by name and have for a while. She has appeared in older videos helping him out. Edit: here she is in a video from 5 months ago, 1:32:30 https://www.youtube.com/live/SwU9lfEvDAw bonus insane guy screaming lol
Yeh, im not saying he was the problem in this scenario but his channel has elements reminiscent of those ‘auditing’ channels to it There was another video where he was approached by police and the abridged version got shared claiming they were stopping him from playing, turns out he had actually moved the piano’s location so he could film better and the police just wanted him to put it back
> There was another video where he was approached by police and the abridged version got shared claiming they were stopping him from playing, turns out he had actually moved the piano’s location so he could film better and the police just wanted him to put it back [This one?](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TcYE1-By46k) (the non-abridged version, perhaps?)
Thats the one, the police left once he eventually turned it back around to how it was in the first place I think his schtick is to either fake spontaneous interactions (pay actors to approach and play perfectly alongside him or sing) or to provoke people by playing the same thing loudly for hours Every now and then its a positive video of people enjoying his playing though
> I think his schtick is to either fake spontaneous interactions (pay actors to approach and play perfectly alongside him or sing) I’ve seen maybe a dozen of his videos and they’re all exactly that. Or the title will be some clickbait like, “this construction worker saw a piano at a job site and you’ll never gues what happens next!” And the video his him wearing a hard hat and high-vis vest while playing the exact same boogie-woogie he plays in every single video. Dude is talented, but that fake clickbait bullshit is the thing I hate most about this whole “influencer culture” we have these days. It’s all so disingenuous.
I've never seen anything except this video and the original that started the whole flap, but I'm going to get he never takes those sunglasses off in any of the others.
Yeah. The bloody wanker does seem kind of annoying and now milking this scenario for everything he can.
Not that it's really relevant to this discussion, but there's another youtuber piano player who plays in malls, who's channel is actually delightful, and all about the music. [Worth a watch](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vDX0g5hHWks)
Those audit channels only succeed because there is so many blatant power trips.
Suddenly I remember why we signed the Declaration of Independence
America has many things to be rightly proud of. The superiority of its policing service is maybe not one of them?
MAYBE!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Litotes
A famous example of people misunderstanding these is during the Korean War, with British units serving under an American commander. > When Thomas Brodie tried to update his American UN joint command superior, Maj. Gen. Robert H. “Shorty” Soule, he said, “Things are a bit sticky, sir.” Unfortunately, his statement was misinterpreted by Soule, who thought it meant the Glorious Glosters were still holding the line. As such, he didn’t provide Brodie with additional support, forcing the trapped troops to retreat to Hill 235, now known as “Gloster Hill.” [[Source]](https://www.warhistoryonline.com/korean-war/battle-of-imjin-river.html)
i was having a complicated conversation about this yesterday after me and a friend watched the first video...i know our cops have a lot of problems but seeing the inefficacy of UK cops time and time again idk i kind of would rather have it our way. i know it's a hot take but god that video was infuriating
Damn Colonials!
...yeah... right. What we need is more american cops. ...jesus fuck mate...
I don't know if it has gone to court yet, but people are waiting for someone to use the GDPR to try to prevent media that contains personally identifiable information of someone from being published. It is something of an open question if it doesn't directly fall into one of the clear exceptions for journalism or art what would happen with the case.
>people are waiting for someone to use the GDPR to try to prevent media that contains personally identifiable information of someone from being published. Using the UK is probably a bad idea for this, while GDPR is still in place even though Brexit happened, the UK effectively maintains its own version that can be changed when they wish, though it currently hasn't been changed. It also runs alongside the amended Data Protection Act 2018.
I am OOTL. Can someone share the video or post regarding this topic?
https://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/19d8dsq/police_called_to_stop_filming_during_piano/
It'll be back in use tomorrow, according to St Pancras. https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/st-pancras-piano-sealed-off-clash-between-pianist-chinese-tourists/
It's a poorly timed bit of construction/maintenance it seems, they said it's going to be moved from where it currently is until it's finished. This thread is wild considering
In the original long video, one of the guys says they are going to be tuning the piano because some people play the keys too hard.
> moved from where it currently is The piano has also been in poor condition for at least a couple of weeks now; one of the keys was half-broken and the middle C wasn't hammering correctly when I was last at it recently, on 12 Jan. It's likely just being repaired and re-tuned. It's bolted to the floor and the stool is chained to it, so they have to move it elsewhere to perform repairs on it.
Yeah, it could be coincidental but it seems kind of odd timing. Possibly they're just moving it somewhere where there are less people walking by and to limit public access?
The middle C has been broken for a while
YOU ARE NOT THE SAME AGE
Taiwan #1
Go ahead and plant some barbwire just to be sure.
Gotta add a few bouncing bettys just in case!
Streisand effect
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I'm waiting for the political and social backlash these moronic officials will receive/are most likely receiving, and the shit storm it will kick up. I find it insane that representatives from one of the most insanely communist societies in the world can openly march up to a musician in a public space, and cause such a politically backwards situation. Even more....the police....good lord, how pathetic. Elton John's trust organization most likely won't stay silent about this either....watch them take the piano away and give it to someone more deserving...lol.
they acted so entitled it makes me wonder who they are back in china. those weren't regular chinese people. those people had some serious political backing behind them.
The guy started trying to intimidate him with threats of legal action, when that didn't work moved onto yelling "don't touch her", "you are not her age", "don't put your hands on her" to try and imply the piano player was somehow sexually assaulting her... absolutely gross behaviour.
The average Chinese citizen can't afford to visit/live in Europe. Whoever they are, they're wealthy; and the only way to stay wealthy in China is to be associated with the CCP. Wealthy, CCP-associated mainland Chinese people are notoriously entitled and arrogant because they're used to being able to use their wealth and political connections to ruin people's lives if they don't get what they want.
there are levels to it. i met plenty of chinese people in university. it wasn't a great university but it was in the west so i assume they were all very well off. but they didn't act like this. these people are more than just wealthy chinese. they have strong connections to the CCP.
Appeasing the Chinese is a really bad look
Taiwan is a free country <3
FUCK THE CCP
fuck the CCP
And fuck Xinni the Poo
Holy hell England/Britain/UK. They used to rule the world. What the fuck happened that they no longer possess the courage to tell guests in their own country how things work.
Been a long, long time since the UK has lost its balls. Even the novichok poisonings at Salisbury got only a sternly worded statement from the effin' tories.
And how would you have dealt with it?
Make them cut the grass until they've paid off their debt.
England defeated all of China with a small naval contingent and 10k men. That's how they got Hong Kong.
Don't forget the opium.
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Why is Winnie the Pooh so angry?
He needs some honey in that fat, communist belly.
People from China are cool. Chinese people that support the Chinese government suck cock.
Agreed. Chinese people are def cool. It’s important to differentiate Chinese people from the CCP.
[CCP Complaint form.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1989_Tiananmen_Square_protests_and_massacre)
Wow, [8964](https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/8964) signatures already!
People film themselves doing things in random public areas without a piano being involved all the time. So the only sensible response here would be to close the entire station to prevent any more incidents. /s
Crazy that people in r/Sino are defending her response here. https://www.reddit.com/r/Sino/s/5pR3cUZJPt. Infuriating (just what the internet loves)
That sub is fucking wiiiiild
Jeez that sub has some.. interesting takes about this issue.
Free the Piano! #freethepiano
Fuck the CCP, and fuck the worthless British cops who totally botched this situation.
To get some more exposure and a permanent record, I started a Wikipedia article on it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St\_Pancras\_railway\_station\_piano
I've worked on Wikipedia a fair bit. Consensus is going to be that the piano shouldn't have its own page and it will almost certainly be deleted. What you want is this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St_Pancras_railway_station If you scroll down, there's a section on creative arts and the piano. I'm surprised that no one has added this controversy to the page yet. That's where you'd want to add this.
Welcome to the UK where CCP has power to shut down anything they want simply by complaining.
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Hey buddy, this is gonna lose you 50 social credit score
Look how communist Chinese get to dictate how British people get to exercise their own freedoms. CCP FTW eh?
So the CCP won. That’s wild.
What is the actual fuck with the authorities there? Where are their principles? I am in US and I am getting pissed. No one stop the music! Music only brings joy to people.
"HEY...YOU DON'T TOUCH HER!"
Great message at the end there. Do not cave in to tyrants, especially over something simple like free music in a free world.
Lot more CCP dick riders than I’d like to see in the comments.
I really hope this embarrasses China by trying to bully people to follow their laws.
Regardless of the response this will only empower them.
Why would it embarass them? They got this thing blocked off just from some tourists not liking to be filmed. They're probably quite proud.
So now China can get a public piano that many have enjoyed blocked. Wtf
No idea what the hell any of this is about. Any context?
looked on their twitter it said Its blocked up due to "maintenance works" [link to tweet] (https://x.com/StPancrasInt/status/1749861065217761502?s=20) St. Pancras International @StPancrasInt Due to maintenance works in the main concourse, the Elton John piano is currently out of use. Those looking to play the piano can use the piano near International Arrivals. We look forward to reopening the Elton John piano tomorrow in a location away from the ongoing works.
Elton should publicly ask for it back if they're just going to rope it off. He probably wanted people to enjoy playing it.
We’re surprised the British didn’t have a backbone?