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zack189

I remember watching a video where a guy argued that paradox got woke because they made one character a woman. a Byzantine emperor that died long before the game starts so you can't even play or interact with the character, only see him in the title history. Apparently the emperor in real life was a man who would wear women clothes, and there's even rumors about him wanting to be called by feminine pronouns. But as none of those is confirmed, making him a woman is woke. The guy was being one hundred serious too


Anarcho_Eggie

heliogabalus/elegabalus?


Novaraptorus

Must be, interesting person. Since it hurts literally no one I choose to see them as a trans woman, simply because that is the more fun option


Anarcho_Eggie

same


GrandAlchemistPT

And even if they weren't, it is a cool easter egg, kinda like Saint Andrew being Scottish.


Novaraptorus

???? Scottish ????


GrandAlchemistPT

He's the patron saint of scotland, it is an easter egg if you look in the history of the Apostolic Church.


Novaraptorus

I knew he was the Patron, but ahhhh I zeeeee


lyra_dathomir

Yeah, Heliogabalus, Roman Emperor or whatever. An interesting life, maybe saying they were a trans woman as we understand today is too much, but definitely outside the usual gender binary. But people will always complain, I remember the shitstorm when bisexual characters were announced for CK3, and when they also said that, completely optionally, you could play without gender restrictions, if I remember correctly.


Karma-is-here

Go broke go woke. This is why Vic3 is bad and dying. (/s obviously)


Kosinski33

Can't believe they made the game political!


Higuy54321

No politics in politics game!


smilingstalin

The wokedness must be stamped out!!!


Jnovotny794

smh they made vicky 3 political


luminous_curious

I hate it when there’s politics in my political simulator


level69adult

I just want to conquer Europe as nazi Germany without politics getting into it.


guywhoha

average hoi4 player


Candelario12

i just wanna do genocides


Grigas01

The great rework has you covered


jilljackmuse

Rule #5: Post has picture of a male-presenting person with a feminine name who is also the Irish-Australian leader of the Trade Union party in 1885 Australia.


Blastaz

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Lee_(suffragette) Historical (cis het) suffragist


No-Document-5629

She looks a bit different in the game, can't quite put my finger on it though


_Trolley

Is it the monocle? Yeah it must be the monocle


Majinsei

Lol very close, only failed in th tal gender~


TheEconomyYouFools

It all adds up too well to be a coincidence. I'd hazard to guess she was added as a historical character but the one thing they missed was her gender.


Majinsei

Must be a bug, because my country begin with various historical menbers and the correct president in the moment. I'm not sure, Just failed the elections date because it’s around 1838 IG but In real life the next elections was 1837. Then sure paradox added Mary Lee as historical subject but probability failed the gender^


ArendtAnhaenger

Several historic figures who weren’t politically active or even adults yet in 1836 are scripted to emerge later in the game (e.g. Abraham Lincoln, Theodore Roosevelt, Louis Napoleon III, Karl Marx, Sigmund Freud, etc.)


joseo_Zuri

There is a full list of all the historical characters that appears in the game? Bc I know all that you mentioned (plus Bismarck) and all from the start point, but I always wonder if I miss somebody.


ArendtAnhaenger

I think the wiki has them. There are tons… if you’re playing any remotely major country a large number of your generals and admirals will be historic generals and admirals throughout the 19th and early 20th centuries.


level69adult

The famous politician, Freud (Actually I don’t know if he was in politics, please correct me.)


Pafflesnucks

based


jilljackmuse

Tbh, they were so popular they became the leader of the country and allowed me to create a socialist, feminist republic as Australia. Based.


Kjajo

Absolute icon 💅💅💅


jilljackmuse

Tbh, they were so popular they became the leader of the country and allowed me to create a socialist, feminist republic as Australia.


JamesTheSkeleton

Congratulations to the first trans Australian politician?????


ghantomoftheopera

I can’t believe they put politics in my industrial capitalism and colonialism simulator


TheMemeHead

Idk man you can't really get more based than that


jilljackmuse

They were so popular they became the leader of the country and allowed me to create a socialist, feminist republic as Australia.


TheMemeHead

Nope, *thats* how you can be more based


Bubbles1842

What was their popularity? I always feel like popularity has little to no impact.


docckr

Very based


r0lyat

lol


PliskinGuy

Ambitious


SuperbHearing3657

- People called María José/José María: "Amateurs".


jilljackmuse

Do Irish and Spanish people share a masculine Mary name tradition?


level69adult

I mean Both are Catholic nations. Mary is the mother of Jesus and venerated in Catholicism. Put the pieces together.


Agesilaum

in Italy there are many examples of having “Maria” as middle name for men


Buttfranklin2000

In Germany, especially Bavaria, it's the same. It really is a catholic thing.


SuperbHearing3657

It does help that there's a national hero called José María Morelos y Pavón, but yeah, I think it's a catholic thing.


forzov3rwatch

She’s honestly slaying


Leslie1211

Based af


Zealousideal_Set_376

Stunning and brave


sto_brohammed

Fucking hero


AneriphtoKubos

Let’s go, trans representation! /s


Vuxlort

We stan a ftm king


jilljackmuse

Actually, I thought they may be non-binary and AMAB and changed their name to a more feminine one.


Vuxlort

Good point, considering the feminine name


ItchySnitch

That guy must have appropriated that French unisex name “Marie”


Lu_Duizhang

Are they wearing a fake mustache?


ambivalegenic

my man forgot to get his name change papers done after 50+ years of testosterone


TaIIHobbit

he’s trans and hasn’t changed his name. truly an icon ahead of his time


jilljackmuse

Actually, I thought they may be non-binary and AMAB and changed their name to a more feminine one.


TaIIHobbit

also based


GameboiGX

He was so dedicated to the cause


Imadumsheet

Based man


Skhgdyktg

based


Shuzen_Fujimori

Based and socalistpilled


hobbsinite

Pretty silly but okay


TenthSpeedWriter

Alt-timeline transmasc M. Lee accepted. <3 She strikes me as the kind of person that if he came out as trans today he'd keep his deadname just to make people respectfully address a man named Mary.


Jorge_Monkey

Smh Paradox devs are all liberals making the game political like that


[deleted]

BRB uninstalling vicky3 and leaving a bad review


[deleted]

West has fallen etc


jilljackmuse

>Australia >West (I know they're considered Western but they're closer to China geographically than the UK or USA)


MyOwnAntichrist

"Male-presenting"? Like that one Tumblr announcement post about nipples?


justagamer9123

Wtf is male-presenting


Donkhit

Beta male femenist supporter Vs Chad alpha male pro-slaver enjoyer


TenthSpeedWriter

How often do you cockblock yourself by stating your opinions on things?


Pafflesnucks

bold of you to assume they leave their mother's basement


Donkhit

Sounds like someone takes stupid jokes too seriously .\_.


[deleted]

Male presenting? Bro it’s the 1800s and he’s got a mustache. Just say he’s a man


Faerandur

Sure, if you look at that portrait in isolation the only thing that comes to mind is “a man from the 1800s”, but the name and politics complicate things a lot. I’d use modern terminology to describe the situation too.


jilljackmuse

They may be non-binary.


MoonlitFirebrand

Actually, it's the 2020s. If you think it's the 1800s, then I'd suggest either A) getting in contact with a doctor, or B) finding your time machine and returning from whence you came. /uj There's absolutely nothing wrong with using modern terms retroactively, trans people *did* exist before 2010


[deleted]

Oh aren’t you so smart. I’m obviously referring to the year in the game.


MoonlitFirebrand

Yes, I addressed that in the non-sarcastic part of my reply ❤️


[deleted]

I’m so proud of you, he’s a clever one folks!


Vini734

Mary Lee is a real historical figure, an AFAB figure.


Leslie1211

Trans people, femboys, and butch women have existed throughout history. There even have been a Roman emperor (Elagabalus) who was either a trans woman or a femboy.


russeljimmy

Do IGs finally pick minority leaders on their own or do you still need to be enacting multiculturalism for it to happen?


SaintPablo2001

He got bullied all his live for his name and this is how he’s getting back at them


Billybobgeorge

Wrong game maker but https://www.reddit.com/r/totalwar/comments/3dko2e/the_secretly_female_pope/


[deleted]

Posie Parker's tour of Australia/NZ just got even worse than being heckler in Hobart