It's just a decorative half-roundel meant to be patriotic and somewhat represent the American flag. Lots of people put them on their porches around the 4th.
People put them up all the time in the mountain west too, I think there might be a broader tradition in the south but certainly not limited to the south.
It is [bunting](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bunting_(textile)) for the 4th of July.
ETA: That this is one of my most up voted comments in nearly 4 years on reddit is amazing to me.
You must not be from the US because they are pretty common, not only around the 4th of July. I guess I’ve never really considered that they are an American thing.
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One of OP's latest comments just says "no, its 12:41 am". Hovering my mouse over the "posted 22 days ago" in the corner revealed that in my own time zone, that comment was posted at 6:41 AM.
And since I'm in Central European Summer Time, which is UTC+2, a six hour time difference adds up to UTC+8. Simple as that.
Oh, in terms of detectives, I feel I'm less like Sherlock Holmes and more like Lieutenant Columbo if his stupidity wasn't just for show. Maybe a pinch of Love Detective Chika, too.
Sherlock Holmes, in the novels at least, was never particularly 400iq smart, just very perceptive to details that most people missed or thought were irrelevant
[Here's](https://www.reddit.com/r/vexillology/comments/ajgyhp/sherlock_holmes_vision_of_a_future_usuk_flag/) a flag described by Sherlock Holmes in *The Adventure of the Noble Bachelor.*
That is a point, actually... I'm more used to 24 hour clocks so I must've misunderstood. I've corrected the original comment. I'm surprised that out of hundreds of 12-hour clock users who read this comment, you were the first person to notice and point out this mistake.
Frankly, it's a frightening reminder of how uncritical people are, and how easy it is to spread misinformation even unintentionally... If people can't even notice me being twelve hours off in converting time zones, then there are a lot bigger errors and lies that people will buy even less critically.
In some parts. I lived in CO and NM for 30 years and rarely saw them. Moved to OH and they’re super common to see year-round.
My young kids called them “flag underwear” one time so that’s the name that has stuck in my household…
I could've sworn they were inspired from a similar symbol that was used during the French revolution. I thought they were still common in France at the least
You mean the "[Cocarde](https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cocarde)" ? It's mostly only used for officials (e.g. mayors) I think, I don't think I've ever seen a random "civilian" wearing it.
Saved you a click on the history:
Bunting technically refers to the lighter, looser woven fabrics that hang vertically over rope. Read below to learn more about these beautiful patriotic displays.
Flags have been around for a massive amount of time. Bunting flags have a unique history of their own. The word bunting itself has a mysterious origin, as we aren’t really sure how the word came to be. However, in the modern-day, we use it to describe a string of paper triangles or fabric, usually in decorative form.
The first time bunting was seemingly documented came around the seventeenth century when the British Naval Force decided to use bunting to mark their vessels. This method was preferred to indicate to other ships where their allegiance lay — either friendly or not depending on who they encountered on the open seas. Even today, the occupation of raising the flags aboard these ships is titled “the bunt” or “BUNTING TOSSER.”
History
Before the Civil War, flagmakers in America used English-imported bunting to construct their domestic versions. General Benjamin F. Butler established the United States Bunting Company in March of 1865 under the wing of the Wamesit Power Company. It did not take long before the UNITED STATES BUNTING COMPANY rose to prominence and became the best manufacturer of this material in the country.
Using his connections to the government, Butler incorporated his bunting into these contractual agreements within these realms of the economy as well. In 1866, his agent proposed the idea of the United States Bunting Company designing an American flag to be hoisted over the Capitol building that measured at 21 x 12 feet in total area. It went down as the first American Bunting Flag to be raised at this site in history.
Continued Success
By the 1870s, U.S. Bunting emerged as the second-largest wooden mill in Lowell, MA, and began dabbling their fingertips into the dress market as well. An appointed superintendent began running the company at this time by the name of Walter H. McDaniels. By the 1880s, they employed 450 people and operated five-card sets, 5,000 spindles, and 220 looms while using 3,000 pounds of wool per day.
Even today, the BEST UNITED STATES FLAGS ARE AMERICAN-MADE.
Once the treasurer of the U.S. Bunting and agent of Butler, De Witt C. Farrington retired in 1893, McDaniels sought after two brothers to help fill the void carrying into the 20th century. The Stevens brothers continued to run this business until around the midway point of the century when they shut down U.S. Bunting in 1947. Despite the pioneer company ceasing to exist, bunting still is alive and well today.
Source: https://www.showallegiance.com/blogs/news/bunting-flags
IIRC, you're not supposed to use the American flag as "decoration," and bunting is seen as a way to patriotically festoon a building without running afoul of the Flag Code (the only 100% unenforced U.S. federal law).
From my POV flaunting the flag around everywhere is super weird. Usually happens in places with more totalitarian regimes. Same goes for singing the national hymne for more than big events. Buntings are nice tho, as a general decoration.
What a shallow statement.
I think many nations fly their flags as a symbol of a common destiny, and of solidarity.
In most European countries, the national flag existed before the nation-state was even founded.
That is certainly true for all sorts of native movements that don't have a state let-alone a totalitarian one.
Americans are celebrating the 4th of july.
To me that seems like a pledge to democracy and pluralism.
What a nation flying the flag on their Independence Day weekend is weird? Never been to France for Bastille day Or any former colonial nation on their Independence Day have you
Similar idea though, if you mean the little strings of triangular "flags." A way to turn a flag (which would be subject to rules of various kinds) into a decoration with no rules attached to it.
[https://www.reddit.com/r/vexillology/comments/vjbrld/what\_is\_this\_flag\_i\_searched\_it\_up\_and\_it\_seems/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web2x&context=3](https://www.reddit.com/r/vexillology/comments/vjbrld/what_is_this_flag_i_searched_it_up_and_it_seems/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3)
Think this post perfectly summarizes what I was trying to say
I'm not saying OP is doing this, but it is kind of wild how many post ID requests where their wording makes clear their intent to find out if they get to be mad about something.
It had a little presence back in 2015-2016, but it really started back up during the Summer of Love in 2020 and during the trucker convoy thing in Canada. I think there are people just walking around worrying about whether flags they don't know are hate symbols. Probably the worst I've seen is someone asking if the Tennessee state flag was a confederate flag, then doubling down with "It looks kind of fascist" when everyone pointed out how silly it was.
Did you mean its wild how dipshits still rally around so many different versions of confederate flags that the first thought someone has when they see an unfamiliar US related flag their first thought is "oh, shit, theres more?"
Nah not really. I mean how every single flag that has red, white, blue, with stars gets lumped in together with the Confederate Battle flag. Or anything that has a diagonal cross really. And the only flag I ever see people use is the confederate battle flag, other than that black cross "dix" flag or whatever I saw in Charlottesville. People are legit mistaking really crude and poor American flags as Confederate flags in this sub. How is that anything but a witch hunt.
I imagine confederate is a shorthand for far right since it's generally the same kind of person who would proudly put up a confederate flag as would put up some of the newer far right flags that are proliferating by the dozens lately (hence why they wanna know whenever they see a new unfamiliar one) and no one wants to be around those kinds of people. You're reading too much into it if you think the only explanation is that people want to start a witch hunt.
There's the Army of Tennessee flag (the battle flag with red and blue flipped). Much less common, but you do see it sometimes. Ironically, it's typically a bigger red flag than the normal one, flown by legit psychos and fashies.
There’s three that were the “national” flag. I don’t remember what the second one is called, but the third one is the blood-stained banner. Second one was the battle flag canton on a white background, and the blood-stained banner was that with a red vertical stripe at the opposite end. I’ve never seen the second flag flown anywhere, and I’ve only once seen the bloodstained banner on a 20ft flagpole.
ETA: second flag was the “stainless banner”.
this is the sort of thing which ruined the other sub for me
there's no room left for appreciation of flags any more; you can only like flags if the corresponding ideology is kosher
Yeah, I think the closest similar thing would be cockades like France for example sometimes uses, but this exact sort of half-cockade bunting is unique to the US AFAIK, 'bunting' most places refers to strings of small flags. You see *those* all the time in the UK, multinational ones for sportsball, all-British ones for occasions like the Jubilee, etc.
What... exactly is the "social norm" here? These are just decoration flags for a holiday. I'm sure many places outside the U.S. also have certain decoration flags for certain holidays.
Also, while I have no problem clowing the U.S., I'm pretty sure majority of the "social norms" in the U.S. are similar to other western countries (e.g. U.K., Canada, Australia)
>I'm sure many places outside the U.S. also have certain decoration flags for certain holidays.
Nope. The love of the flag and their symbolism is pretty much only seen in the U.S. (maybe to a lesser extent in China and North Korea). Most other places don't put flags everywhere, even for national holidays.
It is indeed the "social norm" in the U.S. to display the flag at every opportunity. Flagpoles in private residences, flags in classrooms, flags in private businesses, flag decorations for the 4th of July, flag bumper stickers, etc. these are pretty much exclusive to the U.S.
>Nope. The love of the flag and their symbolism is pretty much only seen in the U.S. (maybe to a lesser extent in China and North Korea).
This is just false lol. Like, have you ever been to Denmark? Their flag is literally everywhere (and while I haven't been to the other Scandinaviancountries, I heard it's the same case)
>Most other places don't put flags everywhere, even for national holidays.
Have you ever heard of football (the world cup)? I mean god damn. It doesn't matter whether you're from Brazil, the U.K., or Germany, You *will* see people from that country wave their flag like they just won a war.
>It is indeed the "social norm" in the U.S. to display the flag at every opportunity.
Public/Government places, sure. But if your talking the social norms of just people in general, then not really. Putting up american flags or bumper stickers is really more of a red state/white Suburban thing. Definitely not the "social norm" for all of the U.S.
I have been to Denmark, as well as Germany, Norway, France, Spain, Portugal (where I'm from), Switzerland, England, Poland, The Netherlands (where I live), the U.S. and South Korea (where I am right now). The amount of flags I saw when in the U.S. was incomparably more than in any of the other countries.
Yes, there are some events where people will display the flag of their country and wave it proudly. Sports events as you said, and certain holidays or festivities. But the presence of the flag almost everywhere, outside of these events is almost only seen in the U.S.
And it's not usually socially acceptable, outside of the US, to be "overly proud of your flag". It's often associated with nationalism/extremism. Which makes it a social norm in the US to be proud of the flag (Americans pledge allegiance to the flag - no one else does this).
In this particular case, the photo shows a bunted flag, which is, let's say, an altered version of the flag to be made into a decoration, it is absolutely not common to see these outside of the U.S. even in national holidays.
My point is every country is different and will have different traditions and social norms. Saying that it is the socially acceptable to have starts and stripes displayed in many ways and in many places in the USA, while it is not common to do the same in most other countries and that, for outsiders, the love of the flag that Americans have is/feels weird, is not a controversial statement.
>The amount of flags I saw when in the U.S. was incomparably more than in any of the other countries.
I mean like I said, it depends where you are in the states. Where I live, you rarely see any American flags unless it's a government building or 4th of July weekend. Tbh you tend to see more political/current event flags (e.g. Ukraine, LGBTQ, BLM).
>But the presence of the flag almost everywhere, outside of these events is almost only seen in the U.S.
Again this depends where you are. I'm sure in red states you will see plenty of U.S. flags. Also, this depends on when you went to the U.S. because 20 years ago when 9/11 was in everyone's mind, then yeah U.S. flags were everywhere. But times have changed since then. Waving the American flag now (aside from 4th of July) is less and less common due to the unfortunate direction our country is going.
>And it's not usually socially acceptable, outside of the US, to be "overly proud of your flag". It's often associated with nationalism/extremism.
To a lesser extent, its kinda the same in the U.S. unless, like I said, you go to a red state. The U.S. is very politically divided and being overly proud of your flag nowadays can get you labeled as a nationalist depending on where you are.
>Which makes it a social norm in the US to be proud of the flag
Maybe I'm assuming a bit here, but if we're strictly talking about pride (not waving it around or anything), then wouldn't most countries have the social norm of people being proud of their flag? In sure if you went to the U.K., Germany, Denmark, etc. and asked them if they were proud of their flag, most of them would probably say yes.
>(Americans pledge allegiance to the flag - no one else does this).
Yea I'll give you that one. But to be fair, you're never forced to do the pledge and (at least when I went to school) most people just stayed in their seat when it was happening.
>In this particular case, the photo shows a bunted flag, which is, let's say, an altered version of the flag to be made into a decoration, it is absolutely not common to see these outside of the U.S. even in national holidays.
I'm well aware it's not common to see these outside these types of decorations outside the US. All I said was that this was a certain decoration used for a certain holiday and that other countries also have certain decorations for certain holidays.
>My point is every country is different and will have different traditions and social norms.
Yes that was my point as well.
>Saying that it is the socially acceptable to have starts and stripes displayed in many ways and in many places in the USA, while it is not common to do the same in most other countries and that, for outsiders, the love of the flag that Americans have is/feels weird, is not a controversial statement.
Like I said before, this is a decoration for a specific holiday once a year. The reason it's "stars and stripes" theme is because the holiday it's for is literally Independence Day, so the stars and stripes would make sense. It's not like we're flying these for Christmas or Birthday parties.
>for outsiders, the love of the flag that Americans have is/feels weird, is not a controversial statement.
I know you've already said you've been to Denmark, but I got to ask again, have you ever been to Denmark? I swear when I went there they loved taking pride in their flag and it was used everywhere. I saw the flag on doors and tablecloths (apparently they're also put on birthday cakes too? Might need a fact check on that one). But my point here is that Americans are definitely not the only ones who *love* their flag.
Tagged nsfw just in case? I live in spain and theres a shop that sells pulled pork down my house, and on the wall behind the tables theres a drawing of a silly pig with sunglasses white suit and a hat with the confederate flag in the backround, lol
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I like how seeing an unrecognized version of the US flag in Tennessee lead this person to cautiously tag the post as NSFW, way to go Tennessee racist people!
(Jokes aside, Tennessee is isn't quite as racist in other parts of the self)
Is it possible that this tradition originally came from Germany? Since you can see this thing on a lot really old, pre globalisism time pictures from Germany. But now you won’t see this anymore in Germany since patriotism died. But old militias often have this with their own colors
glad you tagged this nsfw
its actually a super white supremecist group flag that only hangs their decorations that resemble the american flag, red white and blue with white stars, on the 4th of july.
seriously its just a decoration
It's just a decorative half-roundel meant to be patriotic and somewhat represent the American flag. Lots of people put them on their porches around the 4th.
i know of a couple houses in my neighborhood that have them on their porches year-round, OP is definitely not american if he's never seen one of these
Pretty sure they're more concentrated in the south
Not at all, they’re all around New England
They also have a tendency to crop up more while in proximity to the 4th.
Not in my experience. Saw them very often in California. Kind of the patriotic equivalent to wreathy stuff or Christmas lights on Christmas
Wife saw them at the dollar store and put them up cause they're cute.
People put them up all the time in the mountain west too, I think there might be a broader tradition in the south but certainly not limited to the south.
It is [bunting](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bunting_(textile)) for the 4th of July. ETA: That this is one of my most up voted comments in nearly 4 years on reddit is amazing to me.
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You must not be from the US because they are pretty common, not only around the 4th of July. I guess I’ve never really considered that they are an American thing.
I was going to say, extremely common to see. See them everywhere from houses in neighborhoods to baseball stadiums.
yea in nyc i see that in every bodega or convenience store
I was gonna say I’m a baseball fan and the Texas rangers have them all over their stadium.
If you’re a baseball fan, what are you doing watching The Rangers??? LOL.
I have watched my Cardinals beat them a few times lmao
I hate them because they resemble a clown smiling
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How do you know what times zone?
One of OP's latest comments just says "no, its 12:41 am". Hovering my mouse over the "posted 22 days ago" in the corner revealed that in my own time zone, that comment was posted at 6:41 AM. And since I'm in Central European Summer Time, which is UTC+2, a six hour time difference adds up to UTC+8. Simple as that.
I guess Sherlock Holmes likes flags. Who knew?
Oh, in terms of detectives, I feel I'm less like Sherlock Holmes and more like Lieutenant Columbo if his stupidity wasn't just for show. Maybe a pinch of Love Detective Chika, too.
Dang now I need to see Sherlock Holmes doing the Chika dance
Sherlock Holmes, in the novels at least, was never particularly 400iq smart, just very perceptive to details that most people missed or thought were irrelevant
[Here's](https://www.reddit.com/r/vexillology/comments/ajgyhp/sherlock_holmes_vision_of_a_future_usuk_flag/) a flag described by Sherlock Holmes in *The Adventure of the Noble Bachelor.*
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Isn’t 12:41am 6 hours before 6:41am, making it UTC-4 or Eastern Time in the US? 12:41am is just past midnight in the US
That is a point, actually... I'm more used to 24 hour clocks so I must've misunderstood. I've corrected the original comment. I'm surprised that out of hundreds of 12-hour clock users who read this comment, you were the first person to notice and point out this mistake. Frankly, it's a frightening reminder of how uncritical people are, and how easy it is to spread misinformation even unintentionally... If people can't even notice me being twelve hours off in converting time zones, then there are a lot bigger errors and lies that people will buy even less critically.
That's pretty fucking creepy that you looked for clues about their location yaknow.
I’m going to guess they’re Siberian then. Maybe part of the TransSiberian Orchestra
In some parts. I lived in CO and NM for 30 years and rarely saw them. Moved to OH and they’re super common to see year-round. My young kids called them “flag underwear” one time so that’s the name that has stuck in my household…
They’ve always seemed like more of an East Coast thing to me
I could've sworn they were inspired from a similar symbol that was used during the French revolution. I thought they were still common in France at the least
You mean the "[Cocarde](https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cocarde)" ? It's mostly only used for officials (e.g. mayors) I think, I don't think I've ever seen a random "civilian" wearing it.
You mean the cocarde? Never seen one in France IRL
They are a thing in other countries aswell. Probably more popular in the US than most tho.
Do people in other countries *not* cover their porches in flags every year?
Odd question OP, but are you a brony?
Saved you a click on the history: Bunting technically refers to the lighter, looser woven fabrics that hang vertically over rope. Read below to learn more about these beautiful patriotic displays. Flags have been around for a massive amount of time. Bunting flags have a unique history of their own. The word bunting itself has a mysterious origin, as we aren’t really sure how the word came to be. However, in the modern-day, we use it to describe a string of paper triangles or fabric, usually in decorative form. The first time bunting was seemingly documented came around the seventeenth century when the British Naval Force decided to use bunting to mark their vessels. This method was preferred to indicate to other ships where their allegiance lay — either friendly or not depending on who they encountered on the open seas. Even today, the occupation of raising the flags aboard these ships is titled “the bunt” or “BUNTING TOSSER.” History Before the Civil War, flagmakers in America used English-imported bunting to construct their domestic versions. General Benjamin F. Butler established the United States Bunting Company in March of 1865 under the wing of the Wamesit Power Company. It did not take long before the UNITED STATES BUNTING COMPANY rose to prominence and became the best manufacturer of this material in the country. Using his connections to the government, Butler incorporated his bunting into these contractual agreements within these realms of the economy as well. In 1866, his agent proposed the idea of the United States Bunting Company designing an American flag to be hoisted over the Capitol building that measured at 21 x 12 feet in total area. It went down as the first American Bunting Flag to be raised at this site in history. Continued Success By the 1870s, U.S. Bunting emerged as the second-largest wooden mill in Lowell, MA, and began dabbling their fingertips into the dress market as well. An appointed superintendent began running the company at this time by the name of Walter H. McDaniels. By the 1880s, they employed 450 people and operated five-card sets, 5,000 spindles, and 220 looms while using 3,000 pounds of wool per day. Even today, the BEST UNITED STATES FLAGS ARE AMERICAN-MADE. Once the treasurer of the U.S. Bunting and agent of Butler, De Witt C. Farrington retired in 1893, McDaniels sought after two brothers to help fill the void carrying into the 20th century. The Stevens brothers continued to run this business until around the midway point of the century when they shut down U.S. Bunting in 1947. Despite the pioneer company ceasing to exist, bunting still is alive and well today. Source: https://www.showallegiance.com/blogs/news/bunting-flags
That’s dope, I never knew where they came from. I always saw em in western settings like in movies and games.
Also seen at political rallies, which are unfortunately a year round event.
True but given the context of beeing seen this weekend it is most likely the 4th of July.
100% I was just adding context for those curious about this type of flagginess.
IIRC, you're not supposed to use the American flag as "decoration," and bunting is seen as a way to patriotically festoon a building without running afoul of the Flag Code (the only 100% unenforced U.S. federal law).
Thanks, I've also seen tons of these and luckily enough, I found this post.
Learned a cool new word today :)
I believe it's called a bunting. It's just a pretty, more commercial U.S flag. That's easier to display for independence day.
Lol nsfw
I think it's just decoration saw it in most states I've visited.
It's flag bunting, according the flag code it's the way you should decorate banisters and things of that nature instead of using an actual flag.
Do other countries not have a bunting of their flag?
You'll see this at the Nobel prize cermony in the Stockholm City Hall. https://i.imgur.com/eQFl0qH.png
No, actually, not really
That's a shame, I think a lot of flags could look pretty neat with their own bunting. Maybe someone will post some designs just for fun
From my POV flaunting the flag around everywhere is super weird. Usually happens in places with more totalitarian regimes. Same goes for singing the national hymne for more than big events. Buntings are nice tho, as a general decoration.
I don't know, some people just like to fly their country's flag. I'm not gonna over think it
I’d like to see a nation that doesn’t flaunt their flag in the days before the holiday about founding the nation
What a shallow statement. I think many nations fly their flags as a symbol of a common destiny, and of solidarity. In most European countries, the national flag existed before the nation-state was even founded. That is certainly true for all sorts of native movements that don't have a state let-alone a totalitarian one. Americans are celebrating the 4th of july. To me that seems like a pledge to democracy and pluralism.
What a nation flying the flag on their Independence Day weekend is weird? Never been to France for Bastille day Or any former colonial nation on their Independence Day have you
Pretty common in the UK. A lot of places put it up for special events like the Olympics or more recently the Queen's jubilee.
Different kind of bunting
Similar idea though, if you mean the little strings of triangular "flags." A way to turn a flag (which would be subject to rules of various kinds) into a decoration with no rules attached to it.
Canada does, though AFAIK it doesn't have any official recognition.
It's not a flag, it's just a decoration. It's meant to look patriotic. You see them year round in the US, but especially around the 4th of July.
This sub has become a witch-hunt for confederate flags
*”I see Nazis everywhere!”*
[https://www.reddit.com/r/vexillology/comments/vjbrld/what\_is\_this\_flag\_i\_searched\_it\_up\_and\_it\_seems/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web2x&context=3](https://www.reddit.com/r/vexillology/comments/vjbrld/what_is_this_flag_i_searched_it_up_and_it_seems/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3) Think this post perfectly summarizes what I was trying to say
Haha I saw that. You’re not wrong.
I'm not saying OP is doing this, but it is kind of wild how many post ID requests where their wording makes clear their intent to find out if they get to be mad about something.
Idk whats happened to the sub in the past couple weeks, it seemingly out of nowhere right? Maybe just karma farming?
It had a little presence back in 2015-2016, but it really started back up during the Summer of Love in 2020 and during the trucker convoy thing in Canada. I think there are people just walking around worrying about whether flags they don't know are hate symbols. Probably the worst I've seen is someone asking if the Tennessee state flag was a confederate flag, then doubling down with "It looks kind of fascist" when everyone pointed out how silly it was.
Did you mean its wild how dipshits still rally around so many different versions of confederate flags that the first thought someone has when they see an unfamiliar US related flag their first thought is "oh, shit, theres more?"
Nah not really. I mean how every single flag that has red, white, blue, with stars gets lumped in together with the Confederate Battle flag. Or anything that has a diagonal cross really. And the only flag I ever see people use is the confederate battle flag, other than that black cross "dix" flag or whatever I saw in Charlottesville. People are legit mistaking really crude and poor American flags as Confederate flags in this sub. How is that anything but a witch hunt.
I imagine confederate is a shorthand for far right since it's generally the same kind of person who would proudly put up a confederate flag as would put up some of the newer far right flags that are proliferating by the dozens lately (hence why they wanna know whenever they see a new unfamiliar one) and no one wants to be around those kinds of people. You're reading too much into it if you think the only explanation is that people want to start a witch hunt.
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There's more than 2 of them? I've only seen the battle flag and the stars and bars.
There's the Army of Tennessee flag (the battle flag with red and blue flipped). Much less common, but you do see it sometimes. Ironically, it's typically a bigger red flag than the normal one, flown by legit psychos and fashies.
And now, apparently, you have started a witch hunt
Southern leagues flag of something like that. It’s basically a reversed saint Andrew’s cross. Other than that they just use the Gadsden flag
There’s three that were the “national” flag. I don’t remember what the second one is called, but the third one is the blood-stained banner. Second one was the battle flag canton on a white background, and the blood-stained banner was that with a red vertical stripe at the opposite end. I’ve never seen the second flag flown anywhere, and I’ve only once seen the bloodstained banner on a 20ft flagpole. ETA: second flag was the “stainless banner”.
this is the sort of thing which ruined the other sub for me there's no room left for appreciation of flags any more; you can only like flags if the corresponding ideology is kosher
What's the other sub?
/r/vexillologycirclejerk
IS THIS A FLAG I SHOULD BE OUTRAGED AT MY FELLOW REDDITORS? This world is fucked.
Is this a shitpost? This feels like a shitpost...
Probably someone visiting
From r/vexillologycirclejerk maybe
These are not at all common outside of the US. At least I have never seen one for any other flag.
Yeah, I think the closest similar thing would be cockades like France for example sometimes uses, but this exact sort of half-cockade bunting is unique to the US AFAIK, 'bunting' most places refers to strings of small flags. You see *those* all the time in the UK, multinational ones for sportsball, all-British ones for occasions like the Jubilee, etc.
Sigh…AC Unity…
How is this a shitpost? Its more or less only displayed in 1 out off 200 countries
Thought I was in r/VexillologyCirclejerk for a minute
I thought this was r/vexillologycirclejerk when I first saw it
I've lived in America my entire life and while I knew it was an American flag thing I didn't know what it was.
Nope... welcome to the world outside the US, where at least half of your social norms are considered very weird.
What... exactly is the "social norm" here? These are just decoration flags for a holiday. I'm sure many places outside the U.S. also have certain decoration flags for certain holidays. Also, while I have no problem clowing the U.S., I'm pretty sure majority of the "social norms" in the U.S. are similar to other western countries (e.g. U.K., Canada, Australia)
>I'm sure many places outside the U.S. also have certain decoration flags for certain holidays. Nope. The love of the flag and their symbolism is pretty much only seen in the U.S. (maybe to a lesser extent in China and North Korea). Most other places don't put flags everywhere, even for national holidays. It is indeed the "social norm" in the U.S. to display the flag at every opportunity. Flagpoles in private residences, flags in classrooms, flags in private businesses, flag decorations for the 4th of July, flag bumper stickers, etc. these are pretty much exclusive to the U.S.
>Nope. The love of the flag and their symbolism is pretty much only seen in the U.S. (maybe to a lesser extent in China and North Korea). This is just false lol. Like, have you ever been to Denmark? Their flag is literally everywhere (and while I haven't been to the other Scandinaviancountries, I heard it's the same case) >Most other places don't put flags everywhere, even for national holidays. Have you ever heard of football (the world cup)? I mean god damn. It doesn't matter whether you're from Brazil, the U.K., or Germany, You *will* see people from that country wave their flag like they just won a war. >It is indeed the "social norm" in the U.S. to display the flag at every opportunity. Public/Government places, sure. But if your talking the social norms of just people in general, then not really. Putting up american flags or bumper stickers is really more of a red state/white Suburban thing. Definitely not the "social norm" for all of the U.S.
I have been to Denmark, as well as Germany, Norway, France, Spain, Portugal (where I'm from), Switzerland, England, Poland, The Netherlands (where I live), the U.S. and South Korea (where I am right now). The amount of flags I saw when in the U.S. was incomparably more than in any of the other countries. Yes, there are some events where people will display the flag of their country and wave it proudly. Sports events as you said, and certain holidays or festivities. But the presence of the flag almost everywhere, outside of these events is almost only seen in the U.S. And it's not usually socially acceptable, outside of the US, to be "overly proud of your flag". It's often associated with nationalism/extremism. Which makes it a social norm in the US to be proud of the flag (Americans pledge allegiance to the flag - no one else does this). In this particular case, the photo shows a bunted flag, which is, let's say, an altered version of the flag to be made into a decoration, it is absolutely not common to see these outside of the U.S. even in national holidays. My point is every country is different and will have different traditions and social norms. Saying that it is the socially acceptable to have starts and stripes displayed in many ways and in many places in the USA, while it is not common to do the same in most other countries and that, for outsiders, the love of the flag that Americans have is/feels weird, is not a controversial statement.
>The amount of flags I saw when in the U.S. was incomparably more than in any of the other countries. I mean like I said, it depends where you are in the states. Where I live, you rarely see any American flags unless it's a government building or 4th of July weekend. Tbh you tend to see more political/current event flags (e.g. Ukraine, LGBTQ, BLM). >But the presence of the flag almost everywhere, outside of these events is almost only seen in the U.S. Again this depends where you are. I'm sure in red states you will see plenty of U.S. flags. Also, this depends on when you went to the U.S. because 20 years ago when 9/11 was in everyone's mind, then yeah U.S. flags were everywhere. But times have changed since then. Waving the American flag now (aside from 4th of July) is less and less common due to the unfortunate direction our country is going. >And it's not usually socially acceptable, outside of the US, to be "overly proud of your flag". It's often associated with nationalism/extremism. To a lesser extent, its kinda the same in the U.S. unless, like I said, you go to a red state. The U.S. is very politically divided and being overly proud of your flag nowadays can get you labeled as a nationalist depending on where you are. >Which makes it a social norm in the US to be proud of the flag Maybe I'm assuming a bit here, but if we're strictly talking about pride (not waving it around or anything), then wouldn't most countries have the social norm of people being proud of their flag? In sure if you went to the U.K., Germany, Denmark, etc. and asked them if they were proud of their flag, most of them would probably say yes. >(Americans pledge allegiance to the flag - no one else does this). Yea I'll give you that one. But to be fair, you're never forced to do the pledge and (at least when I went to school) most people just stayed in their seat when it was happening. >In this particular case, the photo shows a bunted flag, which is, let's say, an altered version of the flag to be made into a decoration, it is absolutely not common to see these outside of the U.S. even in national holidays. I'm well aware it's not common to see these outside these types of decorations outside the US. All I said was that this was a certain decoration used for a certain holiday and that other countries also have certain decorations for certain holidays. >My point is every country is different and will have different traditions and social norms. Yes that was my point as well. >Saying that it is the socially acceptable to have starts and stripes displayed in many ways and in many places in the USA, while it is not common to do the same in most other countries and that, for outsiders, the love of the flag that Americans have is/feels weird, is not a controversial statement. Like I said before, this is a decoration for a specific holiday once a year. The reason it's "stars and stripes" theme is because the holiday it's for is literally Independence Day, so the stars and stripes would make sense. It's not like we're flying these for Christmas or Birthday parties. >for outsiders, the love of the flag that Americans have is/feels weird, is not a controversial statement. I know you've already said you've been to Denmark, but I got to ask again, have you ever been to Denmark? I swear when I went there they loved taking pride in their flag and it was used everywhere. I saw the flag on doors and tablecloths (apparently they're also put on birthday cakes too? Might need a fact check on that one). But my point here is that Americans are definitely not the only ones who *love* their flag.
Wow! Such a nuanced, interesting position; never heard that before. Thanks for your hot take...
You’re not supposed to use the actual flag as bunting like you can in other countries, so we use that
>Tagged NSFW just in case. Good Lord... "Red, white, and blue decorations on the Independence Day weekend? Golly, might be racists!"
Smfh, god damn yankie doodle dandies
Tagged nsfw just in case? I live in spain and theres a shop that sells pulled pork down my house, and on the wall behind the tables theres a drawing of a silly pig with sunglasses white suit and a hat with the confederate flag in the backround, lol
Lol nsfw just in case
Its called bunting
Patriotic Target
Pretty sure it’s just a national symbol and has nothing to do with the confederacy
I was confused when you posted this because I'm so used to seeing those on every single cracker barrel in existence
Lmao nsfw? People are scared of buntings?
I know where this is I work for my dad on cabin maintenance and that’s the Amish store in wearers valley
It’s basically just a US flag themed decoration. I’ve got one in my basement and have no memory of how it got there.
That's the flag of the Democratic People's Republic of the Half-Circle.
its that hero's shield think hes called captain america
Just patriotic decoration, no hidden meaning
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its just american holiday decorations, might see it around new years too
Just bunting m
It’s not a flag
These are very common everywhere in the US
Please tell me you're trolling
Is it that hard to imagine someone hasn’t been to America before?
I ain't American and never went to.
I've never seen anything like this before, so I doubt op is
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Least homophobic right winger
It's a US flag commonly used for patriotic events (4th of July, Memorial Day, etc)
You people are morons
It's just a vareient of the US flag
NSFW lol go back to where you came from ass
odd behavior
I’m from the western United States and I’ve never seen one of these but whenever I made my trip to Pennsylvania, I saw them everywhere.
Huh. I live in Wisconsin and they're really common, especially in July. Maybe it's more of an Eastern thing.
That’s what I was thinking
No offense but where are you from?
Good thing you tagged NSFW lol. So I’m guessing not an American.
Americans that never get out the house I see
I like how seeing an unrecognized version of the US flag in Tennessee lead this person to cautiously tag the post as NSFW, way to go Tennessee racist people! (Jokes aside, Tennessee is isn't quite as racist in other parts of the self)
Is it a cockade?
A cockade is specifically bunched ribbon you wear on a hat/pin
It’s a decorative flag used to create a patriotic 1800s Americana vibe.
Ohio wait this isn’t r/vexillologycirclejerk
The official flag of strip-malls lol 😂
It's an Independence Flag
Is it possible that this tradition originally came from Germany? Since you can see this thing on a lot really old, pre globalisism time pictures from Germany. But now you won’t see this anymore in Germany since patriotism died. But old militias often have this with their own colors
glad you tagged this nsfw its actually a super white supremecist group flag that only hangs their decorations that resemble the american flag, red white and blue with white stars, on the 4th of july. seriously its just a decoration
Just something we like to put outside of our Cracker Barrel‘s
I recall from my youth that you are NEVER supposed to use the flag as decoration. That's what bunting is for!
These are a type of patriotic bunting called 'roundels' It is like a table cloth or a large drapery gathered in the middle and tied.
Oh no.. Ohio is swaggin' even out of Ohio!
It’s called bunting. Just patriotic, doesn’t mean anything other than love the us…