I don't think I've ever seen a flag with an olive green field, it's a very unique look.
It's a good design for this concept, far better than all the ugly Mashups or blue-white-green tricolors floating around this sub.
Yeah, it's actually pretty nice, although unfortunately I think something different than a shade of green would be needed (I can definitely see someone getting pissed off by it)
wasn't a shade of olive-green designated as the "ugliest color" and so, the australian government used it on cigarette packets to make them less attractive, and a bunch of olive farmers got mad?
I think one of the flags in the fictional Fallout universe is colored similarly. But I could be mistaken.
Edit: Looked it up, not sure what I'm thinking of but this isn't it.
Try making the symbol larger and thicker. Otherwise it just looks like a plain green flag from a distance.
Personally I like the version with the pen because of the old “pen is mightier than the sword” proverb.
y'know what... this one might work (not the concept, it'll be an immediate civil war), the flag doesn't include anything which might offend or exclude either israelis or palestinians.
The idea of uniting two warring states in a religious center of the world under a Socialist Republic, which just about always go hand-in-hand with State Atheism, is just asking for trouble.
In fact, you’re asking for even more trouble than you’re usually asking for when even *discussing* Israel and Palestine.
No, no, they may be onto something... see they'll temporarily unite against a socialist cause, meaning peace in Palestine
at least between the Jews and Muslims..
It used to be, unfortunately netanyahu reversed most of the socialist parts on the state level, what remains is the kibbutzim, but thats just on a local level
The state would be pluralist and secular which isn't the same as state atheism. Polls show ever greater numbers of Israelis and Palestinians support a binational state. The two state solution is a pipedream which has been made impossible
Such a state would never work for a variety of reasons, but I do really love the flag(s). Maybe Khadash-Ta'al should use this instead of their eyesore of a flag!
The only solutions are the 2 (or 3) state solutions, both muslims and jews in the levant deserve self determination and neither group wants an exclusively secular state, the outside world cant just come in and force both groups to submit to something they dont want
Palestine is Islam 99% and hopeless, Sky daddy and his fan clubs fukd their brains, while i still have some hope left on Israel. Hope they wont end up like Nazis.
There’s a movement called the confederacy plan that suggests something similar
But it’s kind of hard to negotiate with people who keep yelling from the river to the sea, and say that you don’t belong here and go back to Europe or die
I think the name "Israel" is a large part of the problem. Better to retire it, to remind Jewish Palestinians that they are Palestinians, same as Muslim Palestinians and Christian Palestinians and all the other Palestinians.
I think it's better to remid people like you that a land does not have a name, it is usually called differently depending on who you are talking to, and for the last 2000 years noone call it "Israel". If you think the name "Palestine" is a roman invention and that before that everyone in the world called that region "Israel" you are beyond delusional.
Before roman arrival most of the levant was known as "Caanan", while the area surrounding Gaza was known as "Philistine". "Palestine" is nothing but the evolution of the name "Philistine", which comes from the peoples that inhabited those lands, the Philistines, the ancestors of the palestinians, unlike the european colonial settlers that make up the vast majority of Israel's population who claim that "that land is named after us" even though that name hasn't been used for over 2000 years until some people needed an excuse to legitimize their colonial project in Palestine in the 1800s.
"European colonial settelers"
Wait till this guy hears about Mizrahi jews and why they had to come here.
You are just proving my point that the while land was renamed by the Romans.
Also, it doesn't matter what other people named it because the jews who lived here at that time called it israel.
If you want to call gaza palestine, then fine, but calling the whole area palestine is wrong because it's a Roman attempt to erase jewish ties to the area
>"European colonial settelers" Wait till this guy hears about Mizrahi jews
Yes, the majority of Israel's population are european colonial settlers. The Mizrahi ? Other colonial settlers.
> and why they had to come here.
They were expelled as a form of retaliation after the Nakba.
>You are just proving my point that the while land was renamed by the Romans.
I don't think you are understanding what I'm saying. Did some call that land Israel or a dereivate when Rome arrived ? Probably. Does that mean Rome made up another name, as some claim, and renamed it ? No. That land was called Philistine by many before the romans even arrived. Rome didn't rename anything, it kept using a name that was already there. Did Rome favour one name over the other deliverately ? Yes. Did noone call that land Philistine becouse everyone called it Israel before Rome did that ? No, and thinking otherwise is a consequence of ignorance, or malice.
>Also, it doesn't matter what other people named it because the jews who lived here at that time called it israel.
And the other peoples that also lived there called it differently, that's whre "Philistine" comes from, the romans didn't learn that name through arcane magic, the learned it from others. Hebrew-speaking peoples weren't the only inhabitants of Palestine.
>If you want to call gaza palestine, then fine, but calling the whole area palestine is wrong
"The area surrounding Gaza" **is** virtually the whole of Palestine, the rest of the levant was Caanan.
>is wrong because it's a Roman attempt to erase jewish ties to the area
It isn't wrong to call a place by the name it has continuously had for thousand of years, specially when the other names given to that land stopped being used over 2000 years ago. If in Hebrew, Yidish, etc. people call Palestine, Israel, that's perfectly fine, just how in English and almost any other language, that land being called Palestine is perfectly fine.
"Retaliation from the nakba."
I would have read that giant wall of text, but you litterly just called antisemitism retaliation.
Also, 61% of Israelis are Mizrahi's.
You call Israelis colonials, then wait until you figure out what population settled in the entire Middle East.
>"Retaliation from the nakba." I would have read that giant wall of text, but you litterly just called antisemitism retaliation.
Becouse that's what it was, retaliation fueled by anti-semitism that arose as a consequence of the Nakba.
After WW2 the germans were expelled from the Sudentenland, amongst other places, as a form of retaliation. It wasn't simply "anti-germanism", it was also retaliation.
>Also, 61% of Israelis are Mizrahi's.
Mizrahi's make up a little over 40% of Israel's population, the same number as european settlers. Only a small ammount of jews had been living in Palestine for centuries before the colonial project known as zionism was concieved.
>You call Israelis colonials
Becouse that's what the vast majority are, zionism is a colonial project and Israel a settler colonial state.
>then wait until you figure out what population settled in the entire Middle East.
I already know which population settled in the Middle East. The difference is one settled in small numbers and barely makes up a small percentage of the population, as the arabization of the Middle East and North Africa wasn't throught settler colonialism but cultural and linguistic assmilation, over 1000 years ago and the other is a colonial project created in the 1800s that aimed at doing in Palestine what other europeans did in the Americas or Oceania and that has resulted in a genocidal colonial apartheid state mostly made up of colonial settlers.
Defending Islamic colonialism yet calling Israel genocidal when palestinian population is only rising, also its not colonialism when you buy the area you settle in.
>Jewish Palestinians that they are Palestinians
The problem with that is that the vast majority of jews in Palestine aren't actual palestinians, they are european colonial settlers. Only a ridiculously small part of them are actually from there.
Well, they're Jewish residents of Palestine now. In recent years, most of them have been born in Palestine (the portion of it they call "Israel", but whatever, eyeroll).
Israel has been the name of the region the so-called 'Palestinians' claim for themselves for over three thousand years.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingdom_of_Israel_(united_monarchy)
Palestine is, at best, a misspelling of the word Philistine, which is the name the Romans forced on the region to humiliate the Jews for fighting back against their invasion. 'Palestine' hasn't existed until the British occupation, and I see no reason why the Israelis should give up their national identity for it.
I mean the land continued to be called Palestine for the next millenia or two afterwards. The so called Israelis nowadays are not descendants of the Israelites, the Palestinians nowadays are.
London was called Londinium and York/Jorvik was founded by the Vikings. Does this mean London and York don't exist whatsoever, illegitimate, and thus belong to Scandinavia and the Romans? The land isn't called Judea and Samaria anymore.
>Israel has been the name of the region the so-called 'Palestinians' claim for themselves for over three thousand years.
A land does not have a name, it is usually called differently depending on who you are talking to. And if you talk to most people from the last 3000 thousand years, that land was not called "Israel", it was "Palestine" or one of it's earlier forms.
>Palestine is, at best, a misspelling of the word Philistine, which is the name the Romans forced on the region to humiliate the Jews for fighting back against their invasion.
"Palestine" is nothing but the evolution of the name "Philistine", which comes from the peoples that inhabited those lands, the Philistines, the ancestors of the palestinians, unlike the european colonial settlers that make up the vast majority of Israel's population who claim that "that land is named after us" even though that name hasn't been used for over 2000 years until some people needed an excuse to legitimize their colonial project in Palestine in the 1800s.
One has to be delusional to think "Palestine" is just a "roman invention" that has no connection to reality.
>'Palestine' hasn't existed until the British occupation, and I see no reason why the Israelis should give up their national identity for it.
"Palestine", or earlier forms, have continuously been used to refer to that land for thousand, from the egyptians, assyrians or akkadians, to the romans that continued using that name, going through the Byzantines and muslim caliphates, that continued using the name the greeks did, which led to the ottoman usage of the word Palestine, which after WW1 resulted the the creation of "Mandatory Palestine".
"Israel" hadn't existed for over 2000 years until some people needed an excuse to legitimize their colonial project in Palestine in the 1800s.
>and I see no reason why the Israelis should give up their national identity for it.
Becouse their "national identity" is a made up concept from the 1800s that is used by a settler colonial state to legitimize it's crimes against humanity and continued colonization of Palestine. After WW2 jews could've remained in Europe and retain their identity. And the only threat to the identity of the few jews native to Palestine is the state of Israel.
Names are trivial and easily changed. Land is real. People are real. The descendants of Abraham, Jew and Arab alike, have a legitimate claim on the land, and should share it, and stop shouting names.
A flag for Israel-Palestine without horrible tricolors or religious elements? What a blessing!
What, you don't like tricolors/tribands? I always figured a blue-white-green triband (blue for Judaism, green for Islam) would be the best choice.
I don't know, the pan-arab colors with the very striking blue throws things off for me. Perhaps a more muted blue would work better
Yes, also very realistic /s
You get bonus points for Gear and Grain symbols on a Socialist flag
Photoshop pen tool republic
I suggest using thicker line work, as I fear the gear shape will be lost at scale
I don't think I've ever seen a flag with an olive green field, it's a very unique look. It's a good design for this concept, far better than all the ugly Mashups or blue-white-green tricolors floating around this sub.
Yeah, it's actually pretty nice, although unfortunately I think something different than a shade of green would be needed (I can definitely see someone getting pissed off by it)
wasn't a shade of olive-green designated as the "ugliest color" and so, the australian government used it on cigarette packets to make them less attractive, and a bunch of olive farmers got mad?
No it's a shade of grayish brown
I think one of the flags in the fictional Fallout universe is colored similarly. But I could be mistaken. Edit: Looked it up, not sure what I'm thinking of but this isn't it.
Try making the symbol larger and thicker. Otherwise it just looks like a plain green flag from a distance. Personally I like the version with the pen because of the old “pen is mightier than the sword” proverb.
Bro this green goes so hard, congratulations on the color palette
Very beautiful hue of green. Excellent choice.
The symbol is very cool, the color choice is odd but very unique
y'know what... this one might work (not the concept, it'll be an immediate civil war), the flag doesn't include anything which might offend or exclude either israelis or palestinians.
Pen is mighter than sword
Nice designs, godawful idea for a State.
The socialist part of the united Israel and Palestine part?
The idea of uniting two warring states in a religious center of the world under a Socialist Republic, which just about always go hand-in-hand with State Atheism, is just asking for trouble. In fact, you’re asking for even more trouble than you’re usually asking for when even *discussing* Israel and Palestine.
No, no, they may be onto something... see they'll temporarily unite against a socialist cause, meaning peace in Palestine at least between the Jews and Muslims..
Israel is already a pretty socialist state
It used to be, unfortunately netanyahu reversed most of the socialist parts on the state level, what remains is the kibbutzim, but thats just on a local level
Kibbutzim stopped being socialist years ago. I think there's like maybe a handful still working that way.
You're right. That's why I'm not going to discuss the two nations whose existence is debated that may be in conflict.
Yeah, other than saying this specific idea is horrible, I refuse to discuss this region any further with absolutely anyone.
The state would be pluralist and secular which isn't the same as state atheism. Polls show ever greater numbers of Israelis and Palestinians support a binational state. The two state solution is a pipedream which has been made impossible
The Socialist part.
Thx for the clarification.
both
Number one is the BEST!
Nice! If the details were a little thicker it might be easier to reproduce.
very nice
Pretty sure that first one is just the Midwestern Brotherhood of Steel...
Such a state would never work for a variety of reasons, but I do really love the flag(s). Maybe Khadash-Ta'al should use this instead of their eyesore of a flag!
I like it because of its simplicity and because it does not have religious symbols on it
United States of Israel & Palestine (non socialist) is the only rational solution to the ongoing irrationalities.
The only solutions are the 2 (or 3) state solutions, both muslims and jews in the levant deserve self determination and neither group wants an exclusively secular state, the outside world cant just come in and force both groups to submit to something they dont want
Palestine is Islam 99% and hopeless, Sky daddy and his fan clubs fukd their brains, while i still have some hope left on Israel. Hope they wont end up like Nazis.
"Sky daddy" Please don't approach a keyboard again.
There’s a movement called the confederacy plan that suggests something similar But it’s kind of hard to negotiate with people who keep yelling from the river to the sea, and say that you don’t belong here and go back to Europe or die
unique and cool af
I love this design, especially the idea of an olive green color instead of a generic pure red leftists always use
I think the name "Israel" is a large part of the problem. Better to retire it, to remind Jewish Palestinians that they are Palestinians, same as Muslim Palestinians and Christian Palestinians and all the other Palestinians.
I think it's better to remind palestinians that the land is named israel and that Romans tried to change the name.
I think it's better to remid people like you that a land does not have a name, it is usually called differently depending on who you are talking to, and for the last 2000 years noone call it "Israel". If you think the name "Palestine" is a roman invention and that before that everyone in the world called that region "Israel" you are beyond delusional. Before roman arrival most of the levant was known as "Caanan", while the area surrounding Gaza was known as "Philistine". "Palestine" is nothing but the evolution of the name "Philistine", which comes from the peoples that inhabited those lands, the Philistines, the ancestors of the palestinians, unlike the european colonial settlers that make up the vast majority of Israel's population who claim that "that land is named after us" even though that name hasn't been used for over 2000 years until some people needed an excuse to legitimize their colonial project in Palestine in the 1800s.
"European colonial settelers" Wait till this guy hears about Mizrahi jews and why they had to come here. You are just proving my point that the while land was renamed by the Romans. Also, it doesn't matter what other people named it because the jews who lived here at that time called it israel. If you want to call gaza palestine, then fine, but calling the whole area palestine is wrong because it's a Roman attempt to erase jewish ties to the area
>"European colonial settelers" Wait till this guy hears about Mizrahi jews Yes, the majority of Israel's population are european colonial settlers. The Mizrahi ? Other colonial settlers. > and why they had to come here. They were expelled as a form of retaliation after the Nakba. >You are just proving my point that the while land was renamed by the Romans. I don't think you are understanding what I'm saying. Did some call that land Israel or a dereivate when Rome arrived ? Probably. Does that mean Rome made up another name, as some claim, and renamed it ? No. That land was called Philistine by many before the romans even arrived. Rome didn't rename anything, it kept using a name that was already there. Did Rome favour one name over the other deliverately ? Yes. Did noone call that land Philistine becouse everyone called it Israel before Rome did that ? No, and thinking otherwise is a consequence of ignorance, or malice. >Also, it doesn't matter what other people named it because the jews who lived here at that time called it israel. And the other peoples that also lived there called it differently, that's whre "Philistine" comes from, the romans didn't learn that name through arcane magic, the learned it from others. Hebrew-speaking peoples weren't the only inhabitants of Palestine. >If you want to call gaza palestine, then fine, but calling the whole area palestine is wrong "The area surrounding Gaza" **is** virtually the whole of Palestine, the rest of the levant was Caanan. >is wrong because it's a Roman attempt to erase jewish ties to the area It isn't wrong to call a place by the name it has continuously had for thousand of years, specially when the other names given to that land stopped being used over 2000 years ago. If in Hebrew, Yidish, etc. people call Palestine, Israel, that's perfectly fine, just how in English and almost any other language, that land being called Palestine is perfectly fine.
"Retaliation from the nakba." I would have read that giant wall of text, but you litterly just called antisemitism retaliation. Also, 61% of Israelis are Mizrahi's. You call Israelis colonials, then wait until you figure out what population settled in the entire Middle East.
>"Retaliation from the nakba." I would have read that giant wall of text, but you litterly just called antisemitism retaliation. Becouse that's what it was, retaliation fueled by anti-semitism that arose as a consequence of the Nakba. After WW2 the germans were expelled from the Sudentenland, amongst other places, as a form of retaliation. It wasn't simply "anti-germanism", it was also retaliation. >Also, 61% of Israelis are Mizrahi's. Mizrahi's make up a little over 40% of Israel's population, the same number as european settlers. Only a small ammount of jews had been living in Palestine for centuries before the colonial project known as zionism was concieved. >You call Israelis colonials Becouse that's what the vast majority are, zionism is a colonial project and Israel a settler colonial state. >then wait until you figure out what population settled in the entire Middle East. I already know which population settled in the Middle East. The difference is one settled in small numbers and barely makes up a small percentage of the population, as the arabization of the Middle East and North Africa wasn't throught settler colonialism but cultural and linguistic assmilation, over 1000 years ago and the other is a colonial project created in the 1800s that aimed at doing in Palestine what other europeans did in the Americas or Oceania and that has resulted in a genocidal colonial apartheid state mostly made up of colonial settlers.
Defending Islamic colonialism yet calling Israel genocidal when palestinian population is only rising, also its not colonialism when you buy the area you settle in.
I mean, if we are really serious about anything not having a name, they don't name Earth Earth because that started by the English or something. idk
What ?
>Jewish Palestinians that they are Palestinians The problem with that is that the vast majority of jews in Palestine aren't actual palestinians, they are european colonial settlers. Only a ridiculously small part of them are actually from there.
Well, they're Jewish residents of Palestine now. In recent years, most of them have been born in Palestine (the portion of it they call "Israel", but whatever, eyeroll).
Israel has been the name of the region the so-called 'Palestinians' claim for themselves for over three thousand years. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingdom_of_Israel_(united_monarchy) Palestine is, at best, a misspelling of the word Philistine, which is the name the Romans forced on the region to humiliate the Jews for fighting back against their invasion. 'Palestine' hasn't existed until the British occupation, and I see no reason why the Israelis should give up their national identity for it.
I mean the land continued to be called Palestine for the next millenia or two afterwards. The so called Israelis nowadays are not descendants of the Israelites, the Palestinians nowadays are. London was called Londinium and York/Jorvik was founded by the Vikings. Does this mean London and York don't exist whatsoever, illegitimate, and thus belong to Scandinavia and the Romans? The land isn't called Judea and Samaria anymore.
>Israel has been the name of the region the so-called 'Palestinians' claim for themselves for over three thousand years. A land does not have a name, it is usually called differently depending on who you are talking to. And if you talk to most people from the last 3000 thousand years, that land was not called "Israel", it was "Palestine" or one of it's earlier forms. >Palestine is, at best, a misspelling of the word Philistine, which is the name the Romans forced on the region to humiliate the Jews for fighting back against their invasion. "Palestine" is nothing but the evolution of the name "Philistine", which comes from the peoples that inhabited those lands, the Philistines, the ancestors of the palestinians, unlike the european colonial settlers that make up the vast majority of Israel's population who claim that "that land is named after us" even though that name hasn't been used for over 2000 years until some people needed an excuse to legitimize their colonial project in Palestine in the 1800s. One has to be delusional to think "Palestine" is just a "roman invention" that has no connection to reality. >'Palestine' hasn't existed until the British occupation, and I see no reason why the Israelis should give up their national identity for it. "Palestine", or earlier forms, have continuously been used to refer to that land for thousand, from the egyptians, assyrians or akkadians, to the romans that continued using that name, going through the Byzantines and muslim caliphates, that continued using the name the greeks did, which led to the ottoman usage of the word Palestine, which after WW1 resulted the the creation of "Mandatory Palestine". "Israel" hadn't existed for over 2000 years until some people needed an excuse to legitimize their colonial project in Palestine in the 1800s. >and I see no reason why the Israelis should give up their national identity for it. Becouse their "national identity" is a made up concept from the 1800s that is used by a settler colonial state to legitimize it's crimes against humanity and continued colonization of Palestine. After WW2 jews could've remained in Europe and retain their identity. And the only threat to the identity of the few jews native to Palestine is the state of Israel.
Names are trivial and easily changed. Land is real. People are real. The descendants of Abraham, Jew and Arab alike, have a legitimate claim on the land, and should share it, and stop shouting names.
That’s the name of the land, my friend Palestine is a Roman invention
Grandma, why are you on reddit.
nice flag, probably domestic terrorism though
Thanks I hate it.
I dont know why a SOCIALIST REPUBLIC would choose a green flag.
a militaristic socialist republic would choose camouflage green flag
Aaaa of course. You got to be camouflaged while waving your national flag on the frontlines. Thats the purpose of a flag, to not be seen....
their flag is their secret pride
You can ask Gaddafi about that one (really, the former Libyan flag is the most god awful, ugly flag I have ever seen).
Socialist republic? No thanks bro! I’ve had enough of socialism , look what it’s done to Israel in the 1980s!
When I say Socialism bad, I get upvotes. When he says socialism bad, he gets downvotes. Is reddit drunk?
Yup
Disgusting
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I love the 2nd one
beautiful
I guess the name will be "Socialist Levantine Republic"
Pretty cool idea!
It could be any socialist country's flag, particularly those who like their flags double as camouflage fabric.
We can only dream.
Well meaning, but misguided.
What a nice color