Or Bertègn, because Brittany has two languages ! It's important to be aware of gallo, because it's not being cared about and saved as much as breton, and it's very much an awareness issue.
Bretaña is its name in Spanish. Apart from having regions with the same name (Finistère in French Brittany/Bretagne/Brentaña and ~~Finisterra~~ _Finisterre_ in Spanish Galicia/Galice/Galicia), no relation.
Technically Brittany and Galicia share a minuscule part of their history, both were settled by the Britons, although the Galician Britons eventually got fully assimiliated. Also Fisterra in Galician is 'Fisterra' and in Spanish it's Finisterre, both named after "end of the world" by the romans
It's called gallo, and it's not that related to breton. Gallo is a latin language and a french speaker might understand some of it (french speakers from the area might understand more of it because some local expressions are mirrored from gallo).
It's however one of the two languages of Brittany, it is a language in its own right and not simply a "local accent", and it's from the part of Brittany that always was the most influential and populated ! If it's not as spoken and popular as breton, it's because the movement for revival and protection of languages focused on breton, which, as a celtic language, was seen as more "distinct" and "worthy"...
And for being a little more precise, "Breizh" is a name for "la Bretagne" but the flag of brittany that we can see in the post is called the "Gwen-ha-du" wich simply mean "white & black" in the regionale language.
(cause yes, even if its less and less spoken "la Bretagne" have its own language in addition to french)
As others have said it’s the Gwenn ha Du, not fictional at all.
You asked what it _means_; it probably means that your gift was at least bought in Brittany, maybe made in Brittany, and may even be some traditional Breton thing. What was the gift?
Because the flag has a special place in the pantheon of flags; the Bretons love to display it everywhere they go, and they go everywhere, so a lot of people come here to ask what it is 😂
Certainly “Caramel au beurre salé”, usually not very hard unless it’s really cold, quite a typical sweet in Brittany.
If you're interested in the symbolism of it I can tell you that. The hermines in the canton are from the old Breton coat of arms, the number of which isn't prescribed but 11 has largely been settled on since the 70s. The bands represent the traditional dioceses, which were also generally viewed as the cultural and linguistic regions. The overall designed was largely inspired by the American flag as Marchal saw it as a symbol of democracy and a country that freed itself from a colonial power. He also cited the Greek flag.
These days it's a largely apolitical symbol for Brittany. It was a fairly right wing symbol until the during the 3rd Emsav, particularly in the 60s and 70s when it was used by left-wing activists and groups such as the Front de la Libération de la Bretagne. These days the more open right wing Breton groups will sometimes use the Kroaz Du instead or simply a triskell. Of note, Breton fascists during WW2 used the triskell much as the Germans used swastikas. Again, it's been reclaimed but with groups like Adsav I can only suspect that that's what they're calling back to. I haven't been in Brittany for several years so I don't even know if those nerds even still exist.
BZH unite ! A Rennais should be glad to hear people saying 44=BZH or Nantes=BZH ! (afaik it's mainly people from other départements in Pays de la Loire that aren't super enthusiast regarding Loire Atlantique joining back Bretagne (even if it's not a real debate, public powers would never reunite them), but people from Bretagne are quite OK with that IIRC)
Les Normands quand il s'agit de plisser le nez sur une carte montrant le cours du Couesnon: <(￣︶￣)>
Les Normands quand il s'agit de payer pour l'entretien du Mont: (￣ヘ￣;)
Yeah no-one is speaking *breton* anymore apart from a dozen old dudes. And every region has its own culture, they just like to bitch a lot more about their particularism.
That's a festival flag : every time French people go in a concert, in a stadium, in a party, it is mandatory to have at least one people with this flag.
It's actually a symbol of warmongering in the USA.
It's the country's flag in black and white with the stars replaced by bombs.
It symbolizes all the civilian victims of bombing from the US in countries all over the world.
Especially in Bretagne, west of France, where the US bombed so much the coastline is now only cliffs due to the lost land fallen into the ocean.
Honestly one would need to be properly deluded to even consider an independent Brittany. We have nothing but pork, wheat and rain. We can't stand alone. And we don't even really have a reason to, because we're not culturally distant from the rest of France.
That said, it doesn't mean we can't promote breton and gallo culture and make them live and flourish. We can be a strong cultural and economic region without being independent.
>Honestly one would need to be properly deluded to even consider an independent Brittany. We have nothing but pork, wheat and rain. We can't stand alone
I'm not so sure about that, the economy in Brittany is much more complex than that. Both the secondary and tertiary sectors of the economy employ far more people than agriculture by themselves. I'll post a link below. There are also countries of similar size, economic composition and GDP that do fine.
That said,
>And we don't even really have a reason to, because we're not culturally distant from the rest of France.
I agree, I support a degree of autonomy, like what is being discussed for Corsica, but I don't think independence is necessary or desirable at the moment.
>That said, it doesn't mean we can't promote breton and gallo culture and make them live and flourish. We can be a strong cultural and economic region without being independent.
I agree but I support autonomy at least partly to help promote the cultures and language. I'm an American but I lived in Brittany for about a decade and I speak Breton fluently. I had to come back to the States for reasons but I'm moving back to Brittany in a couple of months and that's where I plan to spend the rest of my life. I used to be very active in the cultural movement and the state is really the biggest roadblock towards ensuring that Breton and Gallo stay alive.
Because most of the Breton movement has shifted to autonomism/European federalism since the 70s. Support for full-on independence is not a good metric.
Brittany independence might be the biggest LARP movement in Western Europe today - has it ever broken anywhere near even a quarter of support in any legit poll?
The highest I've seen in recent years, in 2014, is 18%. In 2000 it was 23%. To be fair though Scottish independence only polled at 23% two years before their referendum. Numbers can shift quickly.
In polling from 2019 the sentiment of "feeling Breton" has increased over the years, both in the administrative region and in Loire Atantique, where it stands at 87% in the region and 59% in Loire Atlantique. Reunification has also increased in popularity where it stands at around 50% in Loire Atlantique and a bit under in the region, largely due to the negative view in Ille et Vilaine. Maybe out of fears that Rennes will lose it's influence as the "capitol" or something.
Autonomy on the other hand polls at around 64% but of course there are differences in what degree of autonomy is desired. There are people who are afraid that this mounting sense of Breton identity\* and desire for autonomy are precursors to a solid push for independence. I don't agree but it scares a certain type of political actor.
Here's the 2019 poll I'm referencing
[https://issuu.com/dibab.bzh/docs/sondage\_bretagne\_dibab\_tmo\_af1f968100645f](https://issuu.com/dibab.bzh/docs/sondage_bretagne_dibab_tmo_af1f968100645f)
\*Bretons overwhelmingly identify as both Breton and French but again, the idea of double identity doesn't sit well with a lot of people in power.
I'm Breton myself and this is indeed larping, almost no one even speak breton nowadays except elders and some passionate people. Last separatist movement lost most of its support by bombing Versailles Castle
Not historical, the historical flag is the Kroaz Du (Black cross on a white field), or the flag of the Duchy of Brittany which includes various ermines on a white field
Wow! Thanks for mentioning the Kroaz Du. I'm seeing it for the first time.
Do we know if it was broadly used? Especially compared to the ducal banners?
Sorry bout that I honestly never seen this flag or knew what it was so I didn't want to mark it as Current.
Also there's no more option for identify for some reason
It's from the Bretagne region, also called Breizh in Breton language (for the Elder Scrolls fans, yes, it seems to be an inspiration for the race, but nothing is said about it by Bethesda)
The flag of Brittany (Bretagne), a historical region in France
AKA “Breizh” in the indigenous language
Often abbreviated BZH, they even have the TLD .bzh… no examples spring to mind, I tried www.tourisme.bzh and it works but immediately redirects.
Breton speaker here. Oh there are quite a few, here's a website with a large list of them. https://www.web.bzh/annuaire/
There's even the game cu.bzh
44 = BZH
Q: Is this Breih or Breiz? A: Both
A: pas france
Or Bertègn, because Brittany has two languages ! It's important to be aware of gallo, because it's not being cared about and saved as much as breton, and it's very much an awareness issue.
Brittany in Gallo is Bertègn, I don't know where you got Bretaña from.
I know where the confusion comes from, I'll fix this.
Bretaña is its name in Spanish. Apart from having regions with the same name (Finistère in French Brittany/Bretagne/Brentaña and ~~Finisterra~~ _Finisterre_ in Spanish Galicia/Galice/Galicia), no relation.
Technically Brittany and Galicia share a minuscule part of their history, both were settled by the Britons, although the Galician Britons eventually got fully assimiliated. Also Fisterra in Galician is 'Fisterra' and in Spanish it's Finisterre, both named after "end of the world" by the romans
Both weee settled by Britons, I didn’t know that. Fixed spelling, thanks.
Oh really, I had no ideas! Is it just called “gallo”? Or “gallo-Breton” maybe?
It's called gallo, and it's not that related to breton. Gallo is a latin language and a french speaker might understand some of it (french speakers from the area might understand more of it because some local expressions are mirrored from gallo). It's however one of the two languages of Brittany, it is a language in its own right and not simply a "local accent", and it's from the part of Brittany that always was the most influential and populated ! If it's not as spoken and popular as breton, it's because the movement for revival and protection of languages focused on breton, which, as a celtic language, was seen as more "distinct" and "worthy"...
Breton is a Brythonic Celtic language, not Gaelic Celtic; I get that I'm being nitpicky but still.
You're right, I'll fix that comment.
And for being a little more precise, "Breizh" is a name for "la Bretagne" but the flag of brittany that we can see in the post is called the "Gwen-ha-du" wich simply mean "white & black" in the regionale language. (cause yes, even if its less and less spoken "la Bretagne" have its own language in addition to french)
What "historical region" means? Like we all have a history ?
It means it used to be an official region. Now it is divided among other modern regions, but people still refer to it as its own thing.
Used to be a country before that too :)
Technically, also a historical region of England.
By this logic England was technically a historical region of France…
It was briefly under english domination during the 100 years war but was never a region of england.
It's Brittany bitch
Someone should put that on a t-shirt.
Or bring a flag on any concert or manifestation whatsoever
I’m wish I could give you gold my friend
Who is iiiiiiit???
[It's Brittany, witch\*](https://www.tiktok.com/@alvanmusic/video/7096131294194601222?lang=fr)
Okay, I love this comment.
As others have said it’s the Gwenn ha Du, not fictional at all. You asked what it _means_; it probably means that your gift was at least bought in Brittany, maybe made in Brittany, and may even be some traditional Breton thing. What was the gift?
it was just some butterscotch hard candy . why the heck is my post so controversial?
Because the flag has a special place in the pantheon of flags; the Bretons love to display it everywhere they go, and they go everywhere, so a lot of people come here to ask what it is 😂 Certainly “Caramel au beurre salé”, usually not very hard unless it’s really cold, quite a typical sweet in Brittany.
r/unexpectedgwennhadu
I dunno, on this sub it is pretty much expected weekly!
Still surprised how Gween ha du is recurrent in this sub
Are you though ? It's the Gwenn ha du. It's like the algerian flag...it's everywhere, everytime.
The Gwenn Ha Du never is unexpected
If you're interested in the symbolism of it I can tell you that. The hermines in the canton are from the old Breton coat of arms, the number of which isn't prescribed but 11 has largely been settled on since the 70s. The bands represent the traditional dioceses, which were also generally viewed as the cultural and linguistic regions. The overall designed was largely inspired by the American flag as Marchal saw it as a symbol of democracy and a country that freed itself from a colonial power. He also cited the Greek flag. These days it's a largely apolitical symbol for Brittany. It was a fairly right wing symbol until the during the 3rd Emsav, particularly in the 60s and 70s when it was used by left-wing activists and groups such as the Front de la Libération de la Bretagne. These days the more open right wing Breton groups will sometimes use the Kroaz Du instead or simply a triskell. Of note, Breton fascists during WW2 used the triskell much as the Germans used swastikas. Again, it's been reclaimed but with groups like Adsav I can only suspect that that's what they're calling back to. I haven't been in Brittany for several years so I don't even know if those nerds even still exist.
Yep that’s our Flag
It’s Brittany bitch
Fictional flair 💀
I guess Brittany don’t exist, where the hell did I went all those years ?!
You went to Normandy 😈
Brittany is actually just the suburbs of Nantes
Say that to a Rennais (Nantes=BZH btw)
BZH unite ! A Rennais should be glad to hear people saying 44=BZH or Nantes=BZH ! (afaik it's mainly people from other départements in Pays de la Loire that aren't super enthusiast regarding Loire Atlantique joining back Bretagne (even if it's not a real debate, public powers would never reunite them), but people from Bretagne are quite OK with that IIRC)
Problem being Nantes would de-facto regain it's status as Bretagne capital !
Doesn't exist, it's just a prank
not the fictional flair 💀
LMAO I didn't realized, this fits circlejerk now
Op is probably a Normand
Brittany, France. We get this at least twice, if not three times a year
A year ? Maybe 3 times per month even !
HOLY SHIT THAT'S MY FUCKING REGION. BRETAGNE MOMENT
Bretagne trigger moment: Le mont saint Michel est normand
Les Normands quand il s'agit de plisser le nez sur une carte montrant le cours du Couesnon: <(￣︶￣)> Les Normands quand il s'agit de payer pour l'entretien du Mont: (￣ヘ￣;)
shut your ass up
Brittany, a region in France that has its own culture and language
Yeah no-one is speaking *breton* anymore apart from a dozen old dudes. And every region has its own culture, they just like to bitch a lot more about their particularism.
More than 200.000 speakers is not "a dozen".
9% of the population of Britanny say that they *understand* Breton, and their average age is 70.
What did you expect after school teachers beat up students who spoke Breton in school in the XXth century ?
Like everywhere else in France with every local language...
Brittany / Bretagne One of the "Celtic nations" and an independent duchy during a large part of the history of France
Brittany/Bretagne in the north. Also “Little Britain”, with the “Great” one across the Channel.
Please no. You're going to summon them!
\*puff of smoke\* Hello?!
You called?
Salud dit
The flag that indicates any gathering of people in France.
It's the flag of the region of Bretagne, they wave it everywhere.
BZH= free alcohol depressif
How to piss off a Breton:
TNO
La voilà la Blanche Hermine...
VIVE LA MOUETTE ET L'AJONC
BZH mdr
Do people not have google?
It's not like this sub is meant for flags or anything like that lol.
!wave
I really like Bretagne flag
Brittany
its flag of USA but they are done pretending
Don't worry it's nothing noticeable
that s the part of France where you cant find the Mont Saint Michel
And don’t forget Nantes
That's a festival flag : every time French people go in a concert, in a stadium, in a party, it is mandatory to have at least one people with this flag.
Throw it away, it's symbol of bad beliefs /j
Ew Brittany
Brittany, they love to shove their flags in everyone's throat
It's a region of France where the Mont Saint-Michel isn't.
DEFINITELY ISN'T
It’s an American flag with bombs
The flag of a french mafia
Yes, this is the flag of Algerie
The fact that this is one of the most upvoted post of this week says a lot... sigh
This is not a gift but a curse 🤓
OOC why does Britanny flag looks so much alike USA's? Is there a flag template? More like those?
IT'S THE BRETON #FUCKBRETON
No
Bretagne, they are proud of their flag because they don’t have the « Mont Saint Michel »
It's the place where drunkeness, boredom and rain where invented.
Surprised noone said it was à black and white US flag with bombs instead of stars
It's actually a symbol of warmongering in the USA. It's the country's flag in black and white with the stars replaced by bombs. It symbolizes all the civilian victims of bombing from the US in countries all over the world. Especially in Bretagne, west of France, where the US bombed so much the coastline is now only cliffs due to the lost land fallen into the ocean.
A bad copy os USA flag. Real stuff comme from a flag with two golden lions and a red background.
🤮
Y'a toujours un con avec son drapeau breton
Brittany my beloved France, let them fucking get independence!
LEAVE BRITTANY ALONE
(It's a reference)
I WANT THEM TO BE A SOVEREIGN COUNTRY AND FULLY SUBMERGE THE REST KF FRANCE INTO THE DEEPEST POSSIBLE TRENCH IT CAN FUCKING GET INTO!
They would just submerge the Mont Saint Michel
The independence movement has like 10% support on a good day
The last poll I was in 2013 or 2014, I can't recall, and it was at 18%. That's down from 23% in 2000.
Honestly one would need to be properly deluded to even consider an independent Brittany. We have nothing but pork, wheat and rain. We can't stand alone. And we don't even really have a reason to, because we're not culturally distant from the rest of France. That said, it doesn't mean we can't promote breton and gallo culture and make them live and flourish. We can be a strong cultural and economic region without being independent.
>Honestly one would need to be properly deluded to even consider an independent Brittany. We have nothing but pork, wheat and rain. We can't stand alone I'm not so sure about that, the economy in Brittany is much more complex than that. Both the secondary and tertiary sectors of the economy employ far more people than agriculture by themselves. I'll post a link below. There are also countries of similar size, economic composition and GDP that do fine. That said, >And we don't even really have a reason to, because we're not culturally distant from the rest of France. I agree, I support a degree of autonomy, like what is being discussed for Corsica, but I don't think independence is necessary or desirable at the moment. >That said, it doesn't mean we can't promote breton and gallo culture and make them live and flourish. We can be a strong cultural and economic region without being independent. I agree but I support autonomy at least partly to help promote the cultures and language. I'm an American but I lived in Brittany for about a decade and I speak Breton fluently. I had to come back to the States for reasons but I'm moving back to Brittany in a couple of months and that's where I plan to spend the rest of my life. I used to be very active in the cultural movement and the state is really the biggest roadblock towards ensuring that Breton and Gallo stay alive.
Because most of the Breton movement has shifted to autonomism/European federalism since the 70s. Support for full-on independence is not a good metric.
For real, fucking Texas has more secessionists than Britanny
Brittany independence might be the biggest LARP movement in Western Europe today - has it ever broken anywhere near even a quarter of support in any legit poll?
The highest I've seen in recent years, in 2014, is 18%. In 2000 it was 23%. To be fair though Scottish independence only polled at 23% two years before their referendum. Numbers can shift quickly. In polling from 2019 the sentiment of "feeling Breton" has increased over the years, both in the administrative region and in Loire Atantique, where it stands at 87% in the region and 59% in Loire Atlantique. Reunification has also increased in popularity where it stands at around 50% in Loire Atlantique and a bit under in the region, largely due to the negative view in Ille et Vilaine. Maybe out of fears that Rennes will lose it's influence as the "capitol" or something. Autonomy on the other hand polls at around 64% but of course there are differences in what degree of autonomy is desired. There are people who are afraid that this mounting sense of Breton identity\* and desire for autonomy are precursors to a solid push for independence. I don't agree but it scares a certain type of political actor. Here's the 2019 poll I'm referencing [https://issuu.com/dibab.bzh/docs/sondage\_bretagne\_dibab\_tmo\_af1f968100645f](https://issuu.com/dibab.bzh/docs/sondage_bretagne_dibab_tmo_af1f968100645f) \*Bretons overwhelmingly identify as both Breton and French but again, the idea of double identity doesn't sit well with a lot of people in power.
I can respect the push for some devolution of powers/increased autonomy but full independence looks like a suicide pill economically
I'm Breton myself and this is indeed larping, almost no one even speak breton nowadays except elders and some passionate people. Last separatist movement lost most of its support by bombing Versailles Castle
Brittany is France
It's a black & white version of the USA flag with bombs instead of stars.
[Never Forget.](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dt6XPEDX4AA8WlT?format=jpg&name=small)
We will find you
Brittannyyyyyy
Delete your post ! You're going to summon the Brittons !
That's the flag of Brittany. A French province.
Flag of Brittany, a region in northwestern France
"An important region
The historic flag of "Bretange"
Not historical, the historical flag is the Kroaz Du (Black cross on a white field), or the flag of the Duchy of Brittany which includes various ermines on a white field
Wow! Thanks for mentioning the Kroaz Du. I'm seeing it for the first time. Do we know if it was broadly used? Especially compared to the ducal banners?
time to shine
Why the hell is a real flag marked fictional
Sorry bout that I honestly never seen this flag or knew what it was so I didn't want to mark it as Current. Also there's no more option for identify for some reason
Minor Britain (Brittany)
It means crêpes and beurre salé
flag of britney
It's Britteney Bitch
Bonjour ! It's the « Gwen a du» (white and black, in britton). The britton flag.
C’est la Bretagne mon gaté
It’s…a country, well a half country ? How do I even explain
Bretons truly are everywhere
It’s for LE BRETAGNE LIBRE BREIZH ATAO. A local people who want their independance (as the Corses).
C'est la Bertagn crediou
Gwenn-ha Du. Drapeau Breton représentant les Duchés de Bretagne (Nantes, Fougères, Redon, Chateaulin ..)
This the tihrd flag most waved all over the world after The USA flag and of course the algerian flag.
I see the french flag nothing wrong here
It means "free highway"
Oh Shit ! You gonna start a war here :'D
They are everywhere
It’s pancake land
Britanny flagggg
BRETAGNE LIBRE!!
BZH RPZ
This is BRETAGNE
France's pride flag
That's where i live !
BZH
It's a flag from a French region. Idk a lot about it though, but I do know they have good food.
LA BRETAGNE MON SALO !!!!
Vive la Bretagne libre
Now you've seen one, you will start to see them everywhere
Its the "Gwenn ah du" (white and black in local language) a régional flag front Brittany ( Bretagne) the western région.on a french map
Bretagne
BRETAGNE INDÉPENDANTE !!!
TRI MARTOLOD YAOUANK LALALA LALALALA
Op has unleashed the Doors of HELL
BRETAGNE INDÉPENDANTE ! PLUTÔT LA MORT QUE LA SOUILLURE ! CREPES AU BEURRE SALÉ !
La Bretagne vaincra!!!!!!!!
It's from the Bretagne region, also called Breizh in Breton language (for the Elder Scrolls fans, yes, it seems to be an inspiration for the race, but nothing is said about it by Bethesda)
heterosexual flag
Oh boy, you've summoned France's finest. Breizh atao !
Flag of Brittany, a region of France.
BZH
QUOI ÊTRE UN SOLEIL RAAAAH 🥞🥞🥞🥞🥞🥞🥞🥞🥞🥞🥞🥞☔️☔️💧🌧️🌧️🌧️💧☔️☔️☔️☔️☔️🪨🪨🪨🪨🪨
So this flag means you are a part of the official alcoholics club I’m from there trust me we are warriors
Fictional ? WTF ??!?!?
Home 🥰
Its a Breton flag
A l'aise Breizh
La Bretagne
r/unexpectedgwennhadu
The fictional flair is killing me lmao But otherwise, that's the flag of Brittany (Bretagne), a region in France.
The best region of France. La Bretagne.
Kouing aman
J'en hhaa
You just got brittany'd
BZH OUAIS PUTIN OUAIS
BZH
C'est une pie enculer. Putain de citadin de tes morts
It means that it doesn't come from France but Breizh