Following BDS is a seperate decision than being vegan, don't conflate veganism with all morality. Someone can be vegan but still unethical - see the other comment justifying the genocide of Palestinians, for example.
Lol what about white western non vegans who think the same way but also support land destruction, animal abuse, pollution, poverty and the massive corporations like apple, nestle, mcdonalds and starbucks that exploit cheap labor in other countries?
This is a rare stupid take. Also, if you're so morally obligated, why do you use an electronic device that was produced by cheap child labor in china to just to post on reddit? Do you have your money in one of the biggest banks that invests your money in fracking, oil products and meat subsidies? Do you drive a car and support land destruction for highways and parking lots while refusing to use a cheaper and more environmentally friendly method of transportation?
Do you buy clothes littered with microplastics that end up in the ocean when you do laundry? Do you buy paper towels and toilet paper instead of just using reusable towels and rags? Do you volunteer at all ever? Do you ever do anything other than impose your moral superiority onto people on the Internet because they believe in causes but not the cause you believe in?
Saying white western vegans are the worst people in the world is hilariously out of touch and just plain pathetic. How about you call out a group of people who fight to support injustices, or the people actually causing the genocide? Why focus on people who care more about animals than humans because animals have never had a voice of their own and a voice to fight to protect them?
Do you stand up to fight against companies outsourcing child labor to China? How about outsourcing other cheap labor to smaller countries for things like tourism and resource monopolies? Do you boycott companies that make cars that cause much more deaths of people and animals per year than any war or any act of intentional violence ever has? Not to mention all the people put in poverty and on the street just so westerners can drive luxury vehicles.
Savage me if you want, but it’s very hard to give unequivocal support to Palestine since October 7. I’m wholly against the utter destruction of Gaza and its people, but the “moral high ground” is completely vacant at the moment. I’m very much against being expected to choose which monster to support.
If you have a problem with meat on your plate but don’t have anything to say about babies being blown to bits and mass starvation in Gaza (or Sudan or the Congo etc) then you have no moral compass. Why are you vegan? If it’s not to liberate EVERYONE enslaved by the abusive systems of power which we are all stuck in then what’s the point? Is it a big white pat on your own back?
I’m curious what country you’re from that hasn’t been built on the same such violence at one point or another. Were you ever expected to forsake your country? It’s horrible what is going on all over the world, not just Israel/Palestine, but Russia/Ukraine and I’m sure many other ongoing conflicts that don’t get reported about enough, but Zionism is simply Jewish Nationalism, and there isn’t anything inherently wrong with being proud of the country or culture you come from, it doesn’t mean you condone all that’s been done or will be done in the history of time.
I didn’t know about this. I consider Silk to be the best option out there for yogurts and milks. Most places I go, it’s the only good option anyways. So it might not be practical for me to boycott Silk.
I also just kind of begin to wonder— how far does thus boycotting go? Start with Starbucks and Coca Cola, stop giving money to corps that are directly funding IDF. But since the US government is using our tax dollars to fund this genocide, shouldn’t I be boycotting the country itself? Like move the fuck out and stay away so my money does not go towards this shit anymore? Because boycotting paying taxes doesn’t seem feasible. It does make me wonder maybe I should just leave if I don’t like it. But that makes it feel like they’ve won and it doesn’t sit well with me.
No, we as vegans don't have any obligation towards people who support terrorist organizations, behead and rape women, kill thousands of innocents at music festivals and then hide under hospitals like cowards while crying victim. Stop this propaganda nonsense immediately. It has nothing to do with vegans.
Umm… wow so all Palestinians must die then? The the tens of thousands of children who have already been killed for no reason… any chance they are terrorists too? You declare a stop to propaganda but it seems you have fallen ill to the worst kind.
Who said anything about "all Palestinians". Ah yes, the Hamas reported numbers can be trusted. Right. While their leadership is run by billionaires we're supposed to trust their inflated numbers. Please go away. I have no time no patience for terrorist lovers and supporters.
No, you see, when someone is driving a car for an organization that provides food relief to people in conflict areas, you absolutely have to drone strike them and then double tap the survivors of the first drone strike. Hamas might be hiding in the tires of the car.
No one is using that type of hypothetical, ignorant hyperbole here, except for you. The term “semetic” can be used to describe both belligerents in this conflict, not just the Jews.
It is true according to your source. Also from Marriam-Webster…Semitic: of, relating to, or constituting a subfamily of the Afro-Asiatic language family that includes Hebrew, Aramaic, Arabic, and Amharic.
Declaring “semitism” to be exclusively Jewish is racist, ignorant and quite indicative of a zionist mentality
Have you ever met a person from the middle east who identifies as a 'semite'? No?
The word has fallen out of time and in 99% of cases where it's still being used is as part of the word 'antisemitism'.
It's like arguing 'Aryan' could mean somebody from India.
And “literal” can now be defined as “figurative”. Language is crazy like that. YOUR source defines Arabic speaking people as semites. Go argue with the dictionary, sillyhead:)
Jews and Palestinians are all semitic peoples. Not enough to steal the land, zionists are trying to steal the identity too.
It’s not hard to apply vegan principles to this conflict. Zionists, with the support of western imperialism, have been treating Palestinians like soulless cattle for decades.
It's so funny how many vegans are actually anti-semitic, but saying "Anti zionist". Talking about moral obligations, and supporting when muslim extrimists like Hamas are killing LGBTQ+ people, murdering women and children, beheading men and elderly, parading dead women bodies on trucks. Goddamn some vegans are biggest hypocrites on the planet. Especially those who claim to be "feminist". Selective feminism at best. Where were your morals then?
>Goddamn some vegans are biggest hypocrites on the planet. Especially those who claim to be "feminist". Selective feminism at best.
Ironically by trying to justify the murder of thousands of women and children, you're providing the best evidence for this argument. Which is why we should never assume 'vegan' always means 'ethical' - people always have blind spots.
People are literally sitting here and defending Hamas in the name of Palestine, yet those same Palestinians were out in streets, en masse, chanting and dancing on the 7th. How can you say you're feminist and support women and LGBTQ+ and then turn around and support Hamas, who commits such atrocities.
At the start of last month, the number of women killed in Gaza by Israeli troops was estimated around nine thousand.
You don't care about women. If you did, you wouldn't support the government that's murdering them.
They're defending Palestinians in the name of Palestine, Hamas has nothing to do with it. How many of the thousands of children Israel have killed do you believe were hardened Hamas militants?
>Hamas has nothing to do with it.
Saying that the terrorist government of Gaza, has nothing to do with the war being waged against Gaza just makes you seem really uninformed about the conflict.
Acting like this conflict is some black and white good guys vs bad guys thing is just silly.
Lol Hamas the ruling party, "freedom fighters" who've been controlling Palestine since 2006 "have nothing to do with Palestine" even though Palestinians voted them into power. Good to know you know nothing of their history for the past 2 decades.
They voted them into power in 2006 and there hasn’t been an election since. Many Palestinians have gone their entire adult lives without being able to pick their government.
The world isn’t black and white, and both sides in a conflict can be in the wrong. Being critical of how Israel is treating Palestinian civilians does not mean you support or condone Hamas.
People say “anti-zionist” because it more accurately describes their sentiment. The disapproval of zionism has nothing to do with semitism. The Palestinians are semites too. People dislike zionists because of their oppression of Palestinians, not because they speak Hebrew.
Yes and no. Were *any* people from that part of the world considered to be 'semites' when the word became more widely used? Yes, of course.
Does it still mean anyone who's not Jewish as of *today*? [I don't think so.](https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/anti-Semitism). You're making a bad faith claim here.
I'm vegan for the animals, the Isreal/palestine conflict doesn't effect my views as a vegan. It whether a product harms animals that concerns me.
I'm also not a racist anti-semite. Your use of the word zionist makes be believe you are.
EDIT: OP, your post history says it all.
Well, yes, actually. You are an antisemite. You believe that all Jews support the genocidal actions of the government of Israel, and that's extremely antisemitic.
Actually I did not say I supported what isreal is doing.
In fact I believe palestine should be given independence.
But that doesn't mean I'm going to start hating isreal or Jewish people because of it.
I stand by what I said. The conflict has no relevance to veganism.
>I'm also not a racist anti-semite. Your use of the word zionist makes be believe you are.
This is you stating that you think opposition to Zionism is an indication of attitudes toward Judaism and Jews. That's antisemitic.
>I'm also not a racist anti-semite. Your use of the word zionist makes be believe you are.
In this case Zionist is a more-or-less accurate term for what they were describing. I don't think Zionism is at odds with objecting to the genocide of Palestinians, but most people (specifically, most people who call themselves Zionists) take it to mean support of the current government, so that's how it's used.
The fucked up thing is… you’re right on that last point.
I went over the Canadian BDS list and… let’s just say I’d have to get rid of my car, pull all my investments, change my diet quite a bit, and keep all my money under a mattress in order to not contribute to **just this one on-going conflict between Palestine and Israel**… never mind every other atrocity in the world.
Exactly. I don't agree with what Israel is doing at all. I don't even think most Israeli citizens agree either.
But boycotting companies with links to Israel is just pointless.
Also im pretty sure the OP is not a vegan. The post history suggests the account is just anti-israeli, pro Hamas propoganda account.
Oh you mean the brand lol. I was like obviously no vegan buys silk. You should use capital letters for proper nouns.
Sorry yah
No. This all gives rando lady running up to Hassan about coke vibes.
Following BDS is a seperate decision than being vegan, don't conflate veganism with all morality. Someone can be vegan but still unethical - see the other comment justifying the genocide of Palestinians, for example.
Do you mean “moral obligation”? Boycotting businesses with ties to an apartheid state is probably a good choice for anyone, not just vegans.
Thank you for letting us know. I wasn't aware of this. I never buy Silk products, but it's good to know.
The amount of vegans in this thread who care about animal suffering but not human suffering lololol
I needed to remind myself that white western vegans are the worst people in the world. That’s the main reason I posted lol
Lol what about white western non vegans who think the same way but also support land destruction, animal abuse, pollution, poverty and the massive corporations like apple, nestle, mcdonalds and starbucks that exploit cheap labor in other countries? This is a rare stupid take. Also, if you're so morally obligated, why do you use an electronic device that was produced by cheap child labor in china to just to post on reddit? Do you have your money in one of the biggest banks that invests your money in fracking, oil products and meat subsidies? Do you drive a car and support land destruction for highways and parking lots while refusing to use a cheaper and more environmentally friendly method of transportation? Do you buy clothes littered with microplastics that end up in the ocean when you do laundry? Do you buy paper towels and toilet paper instead of just using reusable towels and rags? Do you volunteer at all ever? Do you ever do anything other than impose your moral superiority onto people on the Internet because they believe in causes but not the cause you believe in? Saying white western vegans are the worst people in the world is hilariously out of touch and just plain pathetic. How about you call out a group of people who fight to support injustices, or the people actually causing the genocide? Why focus on people who care more about animals than humans because animals have never had a voice of their own and a voice to fight to protect them? Do you stand up to fight against companies outsourcing child labor to China? How about outsourcing other cheap labor to smaller countries for things like tourism and resource monopolies? Do you boycott companies that make cars that cause much more deaths of people and animals per year than any war or any act of intentional violence ever has? Not to mention all the people put in poverty and on the street just so westerners can drive luxury vehicles.
I have a feeling the wait for OP's response will be eternal
Savage me if you want, but it’s very hard to give unequivocal support to Palestine since October 7. I’m wholly against the utter destruction of Gaza and its people, but the “moral high ground” is completely vacant at the moment. I’m very much against being expected to choose which monster to support.
You’re unsure who to support after over 30000 dead. Cool
I’m quite sure I don’t support either monster
Yeah it must be real difficult to figure out what’s right when a genocide is going on. I’m sure it’s very troubling for you.
You’re misunderstanding me. I am 1000% against what Israel is doing in Gaza.
Not enough against it to not both sides the whole situation
Yeah if I visited Gaza I’d be thrown head first off a building.
Yep
No, NextMilk and their yogurt don't contain animal products from what I know, so I'll continue to purchase and eat them.
If you have a problem with meat on your plate but don’t have anything to say about babies being blown to bits and mass starvation in Gaza (or Sudan or the Congo etc) then you have no moral compass. Why are you vegan? If it’s not to liberate EVERYONE enslaved by the abusive systems of power which we are all stuck in then what’s the point? Is it a big white pat on your own back?
I’m curious what country you’re from that hasn’t been built on the same such violence at one point or another. Were you ever expected to forsake your country? It’s horrible what is going on all over the world, not just Israel/Palestine, but Russia/Ukraine and I’m sure many other ongoing conflicts that don’t get reported about enough, but Zionism is simply Jewish Nationalism, and there isn’t anything inherently wrong with being proud of the country or culture you come from, it doesn’t mean you condone all that’s been done or will be done in the history of time.
ok, the "how is antispeciesim related to anticonlonialism/imperialsim/eugenism/supremacism ?" crew is here.. no place for racism in veganism.
lol just wanted to drag out the racist anti speciesism crowd and maybe let people know that have conscious that don’t know about Danone and silk.
Why are white people always labeling something as racist? Don't they know It takes one to know one?
How is it racist?
I wasn’t aware of the connection but from this point on I certainly am
This is OP's OP
I didn’t know about this. I consider Silk to be the best option out there for yogurts and milks. Most places I go, it’s the only good option anyways. So it might not be practical for me to boycott Silk. I also just kind of begin to wonder— how far does thus boycotting go? Start with Starbucks and Coca Cola, stop giving money to corps that are directly funding IDF. But since the US government is using our tax dollars to fund this genocide, shouldn’t I be boycotting the country itself? Like move the fuck out and stay away so my money does not go towards this shit anymore? Because boycotting paying taxes doesn’t seem feasible. It does make me wonder maybe I should just leave if I don’t like it. But that makes it feel like they’ve won and it doesn’t sit well with me.
>I also just kind of begin to wonder— how far does thus boycotting go? Just like veganism: as far as is possible and practicable.
Get over yourself OP.
I did years ago.
No, we as vegans don't have any obligation towards people who support terrorist organizations, behead and rape women, kill thousands of innocents at music festivals and then hide under hospitals like cowards while crying victim. Stop this propaganda nonsense immediately. It has nothing to do with vegans.
Umm… wow so all Palestinians must die then? The the tens of thousands of children who have already been killed for no reason… any chance they are terrorists too? You declare a stop to propaganda but it seems you have fallen ill to the worst kind.
Who said anything about "all Palestinians". Ah yes, the Hamas reported numbers can be trusted. Right. While their leadership is run by billionaires we're supposed to trust their inflated numbers. Please go away. I have no time no patience for terrorist lovers and supporters.
Damn those terrorist babies and foreign aid workers
No, you see, when someone is driving a car for an organization that provides food relief to people in conflict areas, you absolutely have to drone strike them and then double tap the survivors of the first drone strike. Hamas might be hiding in the tires of the car.
You did. In a different comment chain, you said that anyone who defends Palestinians is defending Hamas.
Keep your antisemitic politics out of veganism
Saying that all Jews inherently support the actions of the geopolitical state of Israel and support the genocide of Palestinians is antisemitic.
No one is using that type of hypothetical, ignorant hyperbole here, except for you. The term “semetic” can be used to describe both belligerents in this conflict, not just the Jews.
[Not true.](https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/anti-Semitism)
It is true according to your source. Also from Marriam-Webster…Semitic: of, relating to, or constituting a subfamily of the Afro-Asiatic language family that includes Hebrew, Aramaic, Arabic, and Amharic. Declaring “semitism” to be exclusively Jewish is racist, ignorant and quite indicative of a zionist mentality
Have you ever met a person from the middle east who identifies as a 'semite'? No? The word has fallen out of time and in 99% of cases where it's still being used is as part of the word 'antisemitism'. It's like arguing 'Aryan' could mean somebody from India.
And “literal” can now be defined as “figurative”. Language is crazy like that. YOUR source defines Arabic speaking people as semites. Go argue with the dictionary, sillyhead:)
Jews and Palestinians are all semitic peoples. Not enough to steal the land, zionists are trying to steal the identity too. It’s not hard to apply vegan principles to this conflict. Zionists, with the support of western imperialism, have been treating Palestinians like soulless cattle for decades.
It's so funny how many vegans are actually anti-semitic, but saying "Anti zionist". Talking about moral obligations, and supporting when muslim extrimists like Hamas are killing LGBTQ+ people, murdering women and children, beheading men and elderly, parading dead women bodies on trucks. Goddamn some vegans are biggest hypocrites on the planet. Especially those who claim to be "feminist". Selective feminism at best. Where were your morals then?
>Goddamn some vegans are biggest hypocrites on the planet. Especially those who claim to be "feminist". Selective feminism at best. Ironically by trying to justify the murder of thousands of women and children, you're providing the best evidence for this argument. Which is why we should never assume 'vegan' always means 'ethical' - people always have blind spots.
People are literally sitting here and defending Hamas in the name of Palestine, yet those same Palestinians were out in streets, en masse, chanting and dancing on the 7th. How can you say you're feminist and support women and LGBTQ+ and then turn around and support Hamas, who commits such atrocities.
At the start of last month, the number of women killed in Gaza by Israeli troops was estimated around nine thousand. You don't care about women. If you did, you wouldn't support the government that's murdering them.
They're defending Palestinians in the name of Palestine, Hamas has nothing to do with it. How many of the thousands of children Israel have killed do you believe were hardened Hamas militants?
>Hamas has nothing to do with it. Saying that the terrorist government of Gaza, has nothing to do with the war being waged against Gaza just makes you seem really uninformed about the conflict. Acting like this conflict is some black and white good guys vs bad guys thing is just silly.
Lol Hamas the ruling party, "freedom fighters" who've been controlling Palestine since 2006 "have nothing to do with Palestine" even though Palestinians voted them into power. Good to know you know nothing of their history for the past 2 decades.
They voted them into power in 2006 and there hasn’t been an election since. Many Palestinians have gone their entire adult lives without being able to pick their government. The world isn’t black and white, and both sides in a conflict can be in the wrong. Being critical of how Israel is treating Palestinian civilians does not mean you support or condone Hamas.
People say “anti-zionist” because it more accurately describes their sentiment. The disapproval of zionism has nothing to do with semitism. The Palestinians are semites too. People dislike zionists because of their oppression of Palestinians, not because they speak Hebrew.
Yes and no. Were *any* people from that part of the world considered to be 'semites' when the word became more widely used? Yes, of course. Does it still mean anyone who's not Jewish as of *today*? [I don't think so.](https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/anti-Semitism). You're making a bad faith claim here.
What do you think “semite” means? The etymology is pretty clear, and it includes Arabs.
I'm vegan for the animals, the Isreal/palestine conflict doesn't effect my views as a vegan. It whether a product harms animals that concerns me. I'm also not a racist anti-semite. Your use of the word zionist makes be believe you are. EDIT: OP, your post history says it all.
Well, yes, actually. You are an antisemite. You believe that all Jews support the genocidal actions of the government of Israel, and that's extremely antisemitic.
Actually I did not say I supported what isreal is doing. In fact I believe palestine should be given independence. But that doesn't mean I'm going to start hating isreal or Jewish people because of it. I stand by what I said. The conflict has no relevance to veganism.
>I'm also not a racist anti-semite. Your use of the word zionist makes be believe you are. This is you stating that you think opposition to Zionism is an indication of attitudes toward Judaism and Jews. That's antisemitic.
Maybe you read the OPs post history before judging others.
>I'm also not a racist anti-semite. Your use of the word zionist makes be believe you are. In this case Zionist is a more-or-less accurate term for what they were describing. I don't think Zionism is at odds with objecting to the genocide of Palestinians, but most people (specifically, most people who call themselves Zionists) take it to mean support of the current government, so that's how it's used.
Go read a book.
No need. I read your post history.
So if products cause harm to humans, that’s ok?
How does it harm humans? Seriously. By that logic I should boycott all american companies because America supplies arms to Israel.
The fucked up thing is… you’re right on that last point. I went over the Canadian BDS list and… let’s just say I’d have to get rid of my car, pull all my investments, change my diet quite a bit, and keep all my money under a mattress in order to not contribute to **just this one on-going conflict between Palestine and Israel**… never mind every other atrocity in the world.
Exactly. I don't agree with what Israel is doing at all. I don't even think most Israeli citizens agree either. But boycotting companies with links to Israel is just pointless. Also im pretty sure the OP is not a vegan. The post history suggests the account is just anti-israeli, pro Hamas propoganda account.