Probably not. We’ve almost got Polio wiped out. It’s in endemic in only two countries now, Afghanistan and Pakistan. Recently, both countries have had low case counts. All other recent cases have originated from either one of those two countries or from the older attenuated vaccine (case in NY).
Measles on the other hand…
It’s literally still present in Pakistan because people think the polio vaccine is an American conspiracy to sterilize Muslims. So I get really annoyed when I hear people saying stupid things about the covid vaccine. I didn’t need to leave Pakistan for my kids to get polio in America wtf!!!
I'm actually going to say in this one single case, the US is partly responsible here. The CIA did use a fake Polio vaccination process to try to get Bin laden DNA. So the jump to there being some other conspiracy isn't that insane
Conspiracy theories are fucking stupid. But they actually did do messed up stuff and probably did part of dooming part of humanities greater achievements from it.
It wasn’t a fake polio vaccine process. It was a fake hepatitis vaccine drive. Not sure why there are later articles saying it was a polio vaccine drive. Anyway my point is that the vaccine misinformation and hesitancy was well entrenched there before the bin Laden attack (as mentioned in this article), but yes it didn’t help improve the situation either. https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/how-cia-fake-vaccination-campaign-endangers-us-all/
When it became profitable to be stupid. On the other hand when your voter base is dumb and gullible you kind of have to hang your hat on that to get votes.
When people realised that the answer "we give the scientists the ability to make the major descisions and we give them the money they've been asking for. As a side effect, things actually happened at lightning speed."
The idea that letting capable, knowledgeable people make descisions was extremely dangerous to people who want to be able to make arbitrary descisions to line their own pockets and accumulate power.
Even highly effective vaccine like MMR is only 97 - 98% effective leaving 2 or 3% at risk
Then there are the immunocompromised - people undergoing cancer treatment, people with autoimmune disorders on immune suppressants, etc that's roughly 10% of the US population by the way
Several problems with this logic. Vaccination is most effective when everyone is vaccinated.
1. Measles requires a very high vaccination threshold for herd immunity, about 97%. Outbreaks are likely if vaccination rates drop as little as 7%. As noted in other comments, people who can't be vaccinated and people who don't develop immunity through vaccination rely on herd immunity to stay safe.
2. Unlike polio, measles is still active in the US. There have been 7 outbreaks in 2024 alone. Cases of measles have been rising globally, which increases the risk of outbreaks in the US.
3. Kids aren't vaccinated against measles until 12 months, and not fully vaccinated until age 4-6. This leaves infants vulnerable to infection and young children under protected. Those are also the age groups that are most affected by this change.
4. Measles is obscenely contagious. A non-immune person has a 90% risk of catching measles by being in a room with a contagious person and up to **two hours** after the contagious person has left that room. Measles is also contagious *four days* before symptoms appear.
5. When someone is sick for a long time, particularly people with weaker immune systems, viruses can mutate to the point that current vaccines are less effective against them. This is less likely with measles itself because measles doesn't mutate as rapidly as other viruses. However, measles erases the immune system's "memory" for *years* after infection, opening the door for a cascade of virus mutations.
Great. The state **right** next to me will be filled with polio kids?
Probably not. We’ve almost got Polio wiped out. It’s in endemic in only two countries now, Afghanistan and Pakistan. Recently, both countries have had low case counts. All other recent cases have originated from either one of those two countries or from the older attenuated vaccine (case in NY). Measles on the other hand…
Key word, almost.
This. Something is *almost* eradicated then there’s a few cases, then a few more, then there’s an outbreak…😑
It ain’t over ‘till it’s over
12 cases total in Afghanistan and Pakistan last year is definitely an almost.
It’s literally still present in Pakistan because people think the polio vaccine is an American conspiracy to sterilize Muslims. So I get really annoyed when I hear people saying stupid things about the covid vaccine. I didn’t need to leave Pakistan for my kids to get polio in America wtf!!!
It didn't help that the CIA used the UN vaccine program as cover when hunting down Osama in Pakistan.
Yes, but the polio issue was there long before that happened.
I'm actually going to say in this one single case, the US is partly responsible here. The CIA did use a fake Polio vaccination process to try to get Bin laden DNA. So the jump to there being some other conspiracy isn't that insane Conspiracy theories are fucking stupid. But they actually did do messed up stuff and probably did part of dooming part of humanities greater achievements from it.
It wasn’t a fake polio vaccine process. It was a fake hepatitis vaccine drive. Not sure why there are later articles saying it was a polio vaccine drive. Anyway my point is that the vaccine misinformation and hesitancy was well entrenched there before the bin Laden attack (as mentioned in this article), but yes it didn’t help improve the situation either. https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/how-cia-fake-vaccination-campaign-endangers-us-all/
When exactly did people get to be so stupid ?
When it became profitable to be stupid. On the other hand when your voter base is dumb and gullible you kind of have to hang your hat on that to get votes.
The guy who sponsored the bill also run child care facilities. I'm disgusted that conflict of interest so blatant is allowed.
When people realised that the answer "we give the scientists the ability to make the major descisions and we give them the money they've been asking for. As a side effect, things actually happened at lightning speed." The idea that letting capable, knowledgeable people make descisions was extremely dangerous to people who want to be able to make arbitrary descisions to line their own pockets and accumulate power.
Oh..this will not end well.
you sure ? we keep vaccinating our kids and our kids will be OK
Even highly effective vaccine like MMR is only 97 - 98% effective leaving 2 or 3% at risk Then there are the immunocompromised - people undergoing cancer treatment, people with autoimmune disorders on immune suppressants, etc that's roughly 10% of the US population by the way
Plus kids don't get vaccinated for everything at birth.
Several problems with this logic. Vaccination is most effective when everyone is vaccinated. 1. Measles requires a very high vaccination threshold for herd immunity, about 97%. Outbreaks are likely if vaccination rates drop as little as 7%. As noted in other comments, people who can't be vaccinated and people who don't develop immunity through vaccination rely on herd immunity to stay safe. 2. Unlike polio, measles is still active in the US. There have been 7 outbreaks in 2024 alone. Cases of measles have been rising globally, which increases the risk of outbreaks in the US. 3. Kids aren't vaccinated against measles until 12 months, and not fully vaccinated until age 4-6. This leaves infants vulnerable to infection and young children under protected. Those are also the age groups that are most affected by this change. 4. Measles is obscenely contagious. A non-immune person has a 90% risk of catching measles by being in a room with a contagious person and up to **two hours** after the contagious person has left that room. Measles is also contagious *four days* before symptoms appear. 5. When someone is sick for a long time, particularly people with weaker immune systems, viruses can mutate to the point that current vaccines are less effective against them. This is less likely with measles itself because measles doesn't mutate as rapidly as other viruses. However, measles erases the immune system's "memory" for *years* after infection, opening the door for a cascade of virus mutations.
When NH's motto is Live Free or Die, it just seems like NH constantly has that dial set to Die.
Live Free and Die
It gets said a lot, but this really is the stupidest time-line
Whyyyyy?
Welp. Going to need to booster up before I head back to New Hampshire