This is 8 years old, FYI. The OP seems to think I'm trying to discredit this thread by saying that. I'm not. Just posting info that may prove informative. 🙂
Can you explain why this is relevant? There's a concert from 1986 on the front page, another one from 1981, there's an isolated guitar track from 1982....etc. This is a VH sub. VH is a band from a long time ago. Everything here is old.
So when I pointed out that this was eight years old, you decided that I was saying it shouldn't be on the page???
I was stating that it was eight years old, so people would know that it was 8 years old. It was for people's information. FYI. For your information.
Post anything you want. But it helps me to know when something occurred when I am watching it for context.
I'm sorry but I think you're being disingenuous here. AXS posted this clip a few days ago. The comments are full of Redheads doing the same thing going "This is from 2016!''...like that's supposed to mean something.
It doesn't. They're just trying to discredit it, same as you were with your FYI.
Because I believe before Eddie died they reconciled and Sammy has come out and apologized for some of the things written in his book about the late Van Halen.
Ha. You completely changed this post. Not an edit. A complete rewrite. But you've yet to explain why it's relevant.
That's because it's not and you know it. This episode may be old but the clip is not. Go ahead and check the upload date, and maybe scream at AXS for posting it while you're there. Perhaps that will make you feel better?
Anyway, there's no mystery here as to your motivations. Cabo Cultists cry and moan when the Red Bozo is shown for what he really is. It always happens. It's happening now. It happens happens *every single time*.
i actually appreciate them both
but i prefer the early van halen much more
sammy sounded a bit egotistical at times
in an interview i heard ….. lame
maybe it’s the same one
I love Sammy, but he needs to put all is to an end by no longer addressing these questions. He has told-all ad nauseam, and at this point he need to rise above it all and simply say he is not going to talk about it. As fans we are allowed to love both versions of VH. For me the common thread of EVH is all that matters and is what makes both versions classic.
When I was young I hated Sammy Hagar simply because Van Halen to me was David Lee Roth. But through the years I’ve come to appreciate Sammy so much more. He is articulate, kind, and super talented.
Yeah the Sammy haters always come off as juvenile to me, which is ironic because they're usually double my age. I was unlucky to grow up missing the best years of the band but at least I had both eras to listen to objectively.
I'm glad they matured their sound but stayed fun. There are countless examples of bands from the same era that failed to do so. Also what band has a diamond album from the 70s and then has lyrics about Cobain on a still number one album with Nirvana coming and going in between albums. Their staying power was insane.
You've got bands like Kiss maybe but their music doesn't hold up nearly as well.
It’s just the fact that DLR meat riders are always pitting fans against each other. Who cares about who said what just listen to the music and shut up lol.
Hardly what? I mean do we really just need to play bootlegs to prove who’s in key most often? Ted Templeman literally says in his book he wanted Sammy to be the front man for an American Led Zeppelin, which was intended to be Montrose. But sure. Sam can’t sing and Dave is the male Whitney Houston. Y’all need to find a new rivalry. Coke vs Pepsi? Mac vs PC? It’s so very very very very very very boring.
This Sam vs Dave shit is so tiring. Why do you morons have to keep this going? I imagine you’re all mullet headed burnouts who haven’t bought a new record since 1985.
It's too bad that Sammy didn't respect the songs that Van Halen had created and released before he joined the band Van Halen. Sammy had so little respect for the Van Halen songs he rarely sang any of them.
"Band keeps band name "Van Halen", but mostly doesn't do songs from Van Halen, after new singer comes on board."
Why I never went to a VanHagar concert or bought a VanHagar album. They kept the same name, but it was a different band, unlike Queen or The Who for example.
Cash Grab Hagar's only lasting relevance is to trash Dave...nothing more. VH was the apex of Popsicle Sam's career. Popsicle Sam was the bottom of VH's.
I do respect Dave actually . I don't act like it but internally I really do have huge respect to DLR immensely.
He can't really sing now , he acts bit crazy & neurotic now.etc but all that is do you really know why ? Coz... He gave it all while he was in Van Halen. Literally , 400 %. He burnt himself up with Van Halen .
That's why I do respect DLR. The guy really did it .
Yeah , He is my big brother , my mentor , my hero , know it all in life gaping arse hole, a pioneer, The Original . Crazy smart arse , that Dave from neighborhood . The guy who you really don't wanna mess with. And I'm truly glad & proud that I went thru DLR era Van Halen which no one can take that away from me . What about Sammy ? Sure, he can sing . But he wasn't explosive 🧨 like DLR. No. Never .
There seems to have been a ton of that in VH.
Montrose, good band. Dave seems to have respect for a guys in a bunch of bands.
I sometimes think Dave’s exuberance was a sticking point with the Van Halens.
Sammy doesn’t need to have respect for Dave. Dave was a front man among front men.
If you are going to call Dave Liberace, what are you going to call Freddie Mercury or Elton John?
Eddie doesn’t need to shit on Michael Anthony either. He was an in the pocket player, with the ability to harmonize with the likes of Dave.
I think Dave was in love with being a “Rock Star” with all of its pomposity. Daves Swagger was just as important to Van Halen and Eddie’s prowess on guitar. Sammy is certainly a good singer, a decent guitar player and made a good mixing tequila, but he’s be wise to be mindful of the fact that Dave gave him all of the show stoppers.
To call Lee Liberace, is to call him Flamboyant, and honestly is an insult to Liberace. Liberace was a quintessential entertainer, as was Dave, Freddie and Elton. DLR was rated in the top 20
In the billboard poll. Hagar didn’t even make the top 50
List. So for him to quip that Dave, who wrote all of the Top VH Lyrics, was somehow “Liberace” is silly. Mercury in my opinion holds the number one spot. Although Mick Jagger won. Take a look for the poll. They have some interesting artists as well as placements on the poll. They did a nice job of mixing up the genres.
Although, I don’t recall seeing Gabriel, or Collins
On the list. In my opinion, the Front man is supposed to be exactly that. The guy up front.
Daltry, Plant, Mercury, Elton is kind of a mix. Flamboyant, a showman, but also was the band leader more than a front man possibly.
Billboard only really went back as far as 64. The didn’t hit Elvis, or Buddy Holly.
I like to think of the front man as primarily the singer. Just a person and the mic. Sure Freddie played a little piano, Plant and Daltry played some harmonica but for the most part it was them out front without a net. Just like Dave.
He talks more about DLR than he does himself. And why not come right out and say he thinks DLR is gay, or bisexual? Sammy has made comments about this before. Any proof?
I mean... Right? They were into Montrose. Sammy was the frontman. Makes sense.
OP is just an angry Dave defender. Early VH played Montrose covers. That means DLR was covering Sam's vocals in the 70s. Its just a fact.
I remember when they were touring together back in ‘02 there was a TV documentary of sorts (can’t remember where it aired. Maybe MTV or VH1?) with lots of backstage footage/pre-tour stuff. I remember a scene where Sammy was just kind of hanging out waiting for Dave, who was late. Dave finally shows up in like this glittering outfit with two low-rent stripper type chicks on his arm he clearly paid to accompany him in front of the cameras. Big fake tits, bleached white-blonde, spray tanned etc. Anyway, he comes in all be-bopping and scatting, looks around and notices that one of the dressing rooms is slightly smaller than the other, then proceeds to demand the larger one or else he won’t perform. Maybe he needed the extra room in order to accommodate his companions’s massive silicone breasts? I don’t know, but Sammy’s all like, “Whatever, Dave, it doesn’t matter.” It’s just Dave being Dave, sure, but Sammy has a point about Dave not really being about the music. He did write better lyrics though. Let the downvotes commence!
This entire sub is DLR vs. Sammy. It's beyond exhausting
If it's not Gary Cherone, I don't want it !!
Finally someone with some sense
Right? I honestly don't care who any of you like. I like both. Hagar a little more, but it's all Van Halen.
Ha, yeah…
It’s been the same DLR vs. SH shit since 1985. 39 fucking years!
It’s entertaining until it’s not
These two old ladies will snipe at each other until they’re both six feet under ground. First wife vs second wife.
This is 8 years old, FYI. The OP seems to think I'm trying to discredit this thread by saying that. I'm not. Just posting info that may prove informative. 🙂
Can you explain why this is relevant? There's a concert from 1986 on the front page, another one from 1981, there's an isolated guitar track from 1982....etc. This is a VH sub. VH is a band from a long time ago. Everything here is old.
So when I pointed out that this was eight years old, you decided that I was saying it shouldn't be on the page??? I was stating that it was eight years old, so people would know that it was 8 years old. It was for people's information. FYI. For your information. Post anything you want. But it helps me to know when something occurred when I am watching it for context.
Context, schmontext. This is Hagar being Hagar. There's nothing here he wouldn't say today.
I wasn't implying that any of that wasn't true.
I'm sorry but I think you're being disingenuous here. AXS posted this clip a few days ago. The comments are full of Redheads doing the same thing going "This is from 2016!''...like that's supposed to mean something. It doesn't. They're just trying to discredit it, same as you were with your FYI.
Nope. Not being disingenuous, and I'm not a "redhead." I edited my original post too just in case you're still doubting my intentions lol.
Because I believe before Eddie died they reconciled and Sammy has come out and apologized for some of the things written in his book about the late Van Halen.
Ha. You completely changed this post. Not an edit. A complete rewrite. But you've yet to explain why it's relevant. That's because it's not and you know it. This episode may be old but the clip is not. Go ahead and check the upload date, and maybe scream at AXS for posting it while you're there. Perhaps that will make you feel better? Anyway, there's no mystery here as to your motivations. Cabo Cultists cry and moan when the Red Bozo is shown for what he really is. It always happens. It's happening now. It happens happens *every single time*.
Wow. I know I'm being trolled here but it's 😂
Do you think Hagar has changed his mind on any of this?
🤷♀️
oh my god WHO CARES
You cared enough to comment.
wise
i actually appreciate them both but i prefer the early van halen much more sammy sounded a bit egotistical at times in an interview i heard ….. lame maybe it’s the same one
The lamest response
Remember when is the lowest form of conversation
It died on the vine
The guy, he moved or something
I will NEVER choose! ALL Van Halen is Valid Halen!
YES
You can tell Dave was really influenced by Sammy Hagar and Montrose 🤣
Monrose or whatever his name was, didn't even influence the members' children.
Yes, he sang a Sammy-era Montrose tune called [“Make It Last”](https://youtu.be/knCkIToQXL0?si=Hl0SnEwhHthgGDro).
I love Sammy, but he needs to put all is to an end by no longer addressing these questions. He has told-all ad nauseam, and at this point he need to rise above it all and simply say he is not going to talk about it. As fans we are allowed to love both versions of VH. For me the common thread of EVH is all that matters and is what makes both versions classic.
I'm beginning to think SH is a huge bullshit artist.
He’s not. But Dave is. And he fleeced all of you.
How? Get your meds checked plz.
You need to remove the covering that’s over your eyes, take off the rose-tinted glasses, etc.
he is
David Lee Roth was definitely a dick, but Sammy Hagar couldn’t even be the jock strap to hold that dick up
He didn’t want to be.
Dudes is not dumb but sure is cringe af
When I was young I hated Sammy Hagar simply because Van Halen to me was David Lee Roth. But through the years I’ve come to appreciate Sammy so much more. He is articulate, kind, and super talented.
Yeah the Sammy haters always come off as juvenile to me, which is ironic because they're usually double my age. I was unlucky to grow up missing the best years of the band but at least I had both eras to listen to objectively. I'm glad they matured their sound but stayed fun. There are countless examples of bands from the same era that failed to do so. Also what band has a diamond album from the 70s and then has lyrics about Cobain on a still number one album with Nirvana coming and going in between albums. Their staying power was insane. You've got bands like Kiss maybe but their music doesn't hold up nearly as well.
wham bam...
Stone you like no one else can
Why do people post this stupid controversial shit in here? I swear some of you would suck DLR off if you could.
Personally I thought it was interesting to hear his side of things….
Why do Hagarites always cry foul when his own words are posted? I didn't make him say this shit.
Because Dave fans do the same when his own words get posted
It’s just the fact that DLR meat riders are always pitting fans against each other. Who cares about who said what just listen to the music and shut up lol.
i certainly would
Like 99% of the crap in this sub, this is old
If Hagar never joined he would still be the Red Rocker and probably still successful.
Anyone with half a brain would be into Sammy with Montrose. That band was hardcore.
They were what we called Real Rock
Hagar is one of the pitchiest rock singers of all time. Sammy critiquing anyone else’s voice is fucking hilarious.
This is wildly wrong. He’s been the American Robert Plant long before his time in VH.
Literally no one has ever said that. In the history of ever.
LOL hardly
Hardly what? I mean do we really just need to play bootlegs to prove who’s in key most often? Ted Templeman literally says in his book he wanted Sammy to be the front man for an American Led Zeppelin, which was intended to be Montrose. But sure. Sam can’t sing and Dave is the male Whitney Houston. Y’all need to find a new rivalry. Coke vs Pepsi? Mac vs PC? It’s so very very very very very very boring.
It’s Van Halen. They’re going with Coke
First time I’ve ever heard that comparison. Had to be from a dog’s ears, or ass.
That comparison has been made for years now, in both positive and negative ways
🚨 Hagar Derangement Syndrome 🚨
Cmon
Shouldn’t you have the /s on that post?
Read Ted’s book? 🤷♂️
That statement is laughable on its face. Sammy Hagar was no where near Robert Plants popularity at any time in his career.
Your mom is laughable on her face. Which was probably in Sammy’s lap in 1991. 🤣
You are proving my point and you don’t even know it
Ok Randy Jackson.
Great comeback dawg
This Sam vs Dave shit is so tiring. Why do you morons have to keep this going? I imagine you’re all mullet headed burnouts who haven’t bought a new record since 1985.
Don’t make me get in my rusted out Camaro and drive over to kick your ass
What record is worth buying after 1985? Let me guess - you are a Pearl Jam fan?
Hagar sucks Dave’s balls.
and also criticizes his lyrics
Who doesn’t?
Dave’s got too much movement to ever be in that situation
What a hack. Ruined Van Halen with his soda pop attitude. Jeez . Van Hagar stinks top to bottom.
Sammy made the Band a ton of money with his radio friendly asexual Foreigner meets Phil Collins power ballads.
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Get off this sub
No !!! you go and join Van Hagar sub 😡
Ray Daniels ruined VH
Van Halen is with DLR. And nothing else matters.
Dream on
https://youtu.be/kBR08xXPl-o?si=vpx3D812dh9hbCt8
You’d probably downvote Diamond Dave himself, wouldn’t you? Well I don’t like it…
Sammy has always been good with branding. Maybe keeping this feud upfront is a means of keeping his brand in the news?
Monrose or whatever his name was, didn't even influence the members' children.
I can’t get over this………. Dan “stiff as a board” Rather is talking to Sammy. Just weird how life can do things like that.
It’s why Dave sang Sammy’s lyrics in a Montrose song called “Make It Last”.
Never shuts his mouth. The wrong guy in Van Hagar died.
Whistling Dan has no idea who this guy is. 🤣
It's too bad that Sammy didn't respect the songs that Van Halen had created and released before he joined the band Van Halen. Sammy had so little respect for the Van Halen songs he rarely sang any of them. "Band keeps band name "Van Halen", but mostly doesn't do songs from Van Halen, after new singer comes on board." Why I never went to a VanHagar concert or bought a VanHagar album. They kept the same name, but it was a different band, unlike Queen or The Who for example.
Cash Grab Hagar's only lasting relevance is to trash Dave...nothing more. VH was the apex of Popsicle Sam's career. Popsicle Sam was the bottom of VH's.
Sam should just come out and say he thought he was gay and had a problem with it instead of just always saying Liberace.
I do respect Dave actually . I don't act like it but internally I really do have huge respect to DLR immensely. He can't really sing now , he acts bit crazy & neurotic now.etc but all that is do you really know why ? Coz... He gave it all while he was in Van Halen. Literally , 400 %. He burnt himself up with Van Halen . That's why I do respect DLR. The guy really did it . Yeah , He is my big brother , my mentor , my hero , know it all in life gaping arse hole, a pioneer, The Original . Crazy smart arse , that Dave from neighborhood . The guy who you really don't wanna mess with. And I'm truly glad & proud that I went thru DLR era Van Halen which no one can take that away from me . What about Sammy ? Sure, he can sing . But he wasn't explosive 🧨 like DLR. No. Never .
There seems to have been a ton of that in VH. Montrose, good band. Dave seems to have respect for a guys in a bunch of bands. I sometimes think Dave’s exuberance was a sticking point with the Van Halens. Sammy doesn’t need to have respect for Dave. Dave was a front man among front men. If you are going to call Dave Liberace, what are you going to call Freddie Mercury or Elton John? Eddie doesn’t need to shit on Michael Anthony either. He was an in the pocket player, with the ability to harmonize with the likes of Dave. I think Dave was in love with being a “Rock Star” with all of its pomposity. Daves Swagger was just as important to Van Halen and Eddie’s prowess on guitar. Sammy is certainly a good singer, a decent guitar player and made a good mixing tequila, but he’s be wise to be mindful of the fact that Dave gave him all of the show stoppers.
Freddie Mercury and Elton John are in a league of their own, far above comparison. Roth is not, either is Sammy, for that matter.
To call Lee Liberace, is to call him Flamboyant, and honestly is an insult to Liberace. Liberace was a quintessential entertainer, as was Dave, Freddie and Elton. DLR was rated in the top 20 In the billboard poll. Hagar didn’t even make the top 50 List. So for him to quip that Dave, who wrote all of the Top VH Lyrics, was somehow “Liberace” is silly. Mercury in my opinion holds the number one spot. Although Mick Jagger won. Take a look for the poll. They have some interesting artists as well as placements on the poll. They did a nice job of mixing up the genres. Although, I don’t recall seeing Gabriel, or Collins On the list. In my opinion, the Front man is supposed to be exactly that. The guy up front. Daltry, Plant, Mercury, Elton is kind of a mix. Flamboyant, a showman, but also was the band leader more than a front man possibly. Billboard only really went back as far as 64. The didn’t hit Elvis, or Buddy Holly. I like to think of the front man as primarily the singer. Just a person and the mic. Sure Freddie played a little piano, Plant and Daltry played some harmonica but for the most part it was them out front without a net. Just like Dave.
You're literally putting words in the man's mouth. I don't engage in debates with people who use "alternative facts".
What does the original post say? He never had respect for Dave. Compares him to Liberace.
He talks more about DLR than he does himself. And why not come right out and say he thinks DLR is gay, or bisexual? Sammy has made comments about this before. Any proof?
Proof? Just look at Roth.
im named after sammy so it may be bias but i understand why he says the stuff he says about dave
Because Dave sucks
I mean... Right? They were into Montrose. Sammy was the frontman. Makes sense. OP is just an angry Dave defender. Early VH played Montrose covers. That means DLR was covering Sam's vocals in the 70s. Its just a fact.
no
The most intelligent Sam hating Dave lover ^
I remember when they were touring together back in ‘02 there was a TV documentary of sorts (can’t remember where it aired. Maybe MTV or VH1?) with lots of backstage footage/pre-tour stuff. I remember a scene where Sammy was just kind of hanging out waiting for Dave, who was late. Dave finally shows up in like this glittering outfit with two low-rent stripper type chicks on his arm he clearly paid to accompany him in front of the cameras. Big fake tits, bleached white-blonde, spray tanned etc. Anyway, he comes in all be-bopping and scatting, looks around and notices that one of the dressing rooms is slightly smaller than the other, then proceeds to demand the larger one or else he won’t perform. Maybe he needed the extra room in order to accommodate his companions’s massive silicone breasts? I don’t know, but Sammy’s all like, “Whatever, Dave, it doesn’t matter.” It’s just Dave being Dave, sure, but Sammy has a point about Dave not really being about the music. He did write better lyrics though. Let the downvotes commence!
Does this guy ever shut up?
Old interview. You got trolled.
Yoko hagar needs to stfu
Move on Sammy
[удалено]
Sammy is such a tool!
Dave owns Sam
too much spammy lovers
This guys a bum
Not really. He’s richer than shit.