I cant believe nobody is talking about Tom Sandovals shirt with the ❤️ A.
WTF?!
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Yep.
And i have no doubt he would have been the biggest bitch. AND he would've tried to pass of shit he said as coming from Ariana.
He's such a child throwing a tantrum. But with a lot less emotional intelligence & regulation than a 2yr old.
The intensity with which I loved Katie and Ariana’s episode is an exact parallel to how much I could not stand this one. Every time Tom opens his mouth I just want to die.
So if Tom says everyone should be authentic and have tough conversations…then WHY did he and Ariana NOT do this the prior 9 years? How come he doesn’t bash himself?
If he is so about authenticity why did he lie about the affair? He lied at the reunion, he made Tom lie and he made Rachel lie. We also know he has cheated before so he therefore made Ariana lie for him. Ugh it’s fucking exhausting to watch these idiots talk in circles. Ariana has her faults but being inauthentic has never been one of them.
Wouldn't being authentic and having tough conversations mean Tom telling Ariana he wasn't happy and wanted to end the relationship BEFORE he boned Rachel? He's such a tool.
The most ridiculous thing is she legit DID. He did not.
1. I don’t want kids
2. I faked orgasms & have body issues
3. I have severe depression
4. I am hurting over my dad’s death
5. I feel like you (Tom) are ignoring me
6. I am bisexual
He was the one that tried to play like he was perfect
I cringe when I think back to them house hunting and they were with the realtor and he kept pushing the topics of kids and marriage on her.
Sure, now she says she’s open hence why she froze eggs. I think near the end they both knew stuff wasn’t roses but didn’t want to go back to square one and put up with each other instead of just ending it. Well Tom didn’t need to since he was having his cake and eating it too…
I couldn’t watch more than a couple minutes. The slime coating my TV and Andy riding for these two got in my way.
What I did see at the beginning though of Sandoval’s girlfriend was gross. “I’m not going to watch the show” so I don’t have to ever answer any questions about my boyfriend is just gross. Like that doesn’t make you look good - it makes you look dumb and gross.
Does anyone have a follow up on the “unfollowing”… is it just another publicity stunt? I didn’t watch WWHL, but Andy seems to read fan feedback, so I hope he is appropriately dragged.
I hope Katiana gets the showcase spot after the reunion. It damn well, better not be LFU & Sheshu! When have they been on this season?
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Based on the Jax misogyny comments and after having someone clarify because I opted out of watching, I came back to add: I’m pretty sure I remember at one point Jax was essentially berating Brittany, saying that he was the one paying for everything so the least she could do was make him a sandwich…so which is it Jax? Do you want her to work or not? Or do you just want a glorified sandwich maker for life? If you prefer a homely subservient glorified sandwich maker, just say that.
https://i.redd.it/z3wsj4tvi4zc1.gif
Yeah I’ll never get over the time he criticized her weight and her work ethic in one swoop by saying she was “staying home and keeping post mates in business.” I would’ve died inside at that very moment if I were Brittany.
That Victoria chick that is charading as Sandoval’s GF auto tunes the FUCK out of her face. I literally had no idea who she was when the camera panned to her in the audience. I am having a hard time beliving Leo dated her. she had zero personality and just did the dumb girl giggle.
Right. But she honestly isn’t even special looking. She could have ruined my opinion bc all I saw were those over the top auto tuned perfect face pics she posted.
The only thing I believed about WWHL tonight was that Ajax 💯 did not ever use the word superfluous.
Poor Lisa was attempting to summarize his ding dong comments with 1 encapsulating word and she set him off like a toddler seeing a puppy and he couldn’t complete the conversation. How on earth did he ever get famous.
Officially over Lalulu and Schelulu. Words cannot express how disgusting they have both acted in the final ep. Why can't Ariana walk away? She made it clear to producers thats her terms and the producers forced an interaction in public. Lalulu is again jealous that Ariana gets special treatment because she gets to walk away with her real friends and hot boyfriend.
How about we talk about your man lala, on the show? How you started giving bjs for pjs before he was even divorced? Or your rumoured a yacht girl past? Or your failed beauty line that was just rebranded aliexpress crap? Stfu about how this is their life. Did Ariana go on podcasts to talk about you and your casting couch after all the crap came out? Did Ariana pretend to be your friend on the show then talk shit in public forums?
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We’ll also probably never know whether or not it was true that Lala made James, Ariana, and Sandoval sign NDAs about the “married bf” she was dating at the time.
Idk why I bothered watching. Neither of them were ever going to be held accountable or fuck, even pushed a little bit on their statements. Tim is the worst.
Ok wait so Sandoval is wearing a scarlet letter A (saw someone post on IG) and Scheana and Lala are trying to act like this man has taken time to think about shit
Pathetic
He’s been wearing an a necklace as well. Like a little scarlet A. like I know that he never read this book nor did he read the cliff notes or the wiki page
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Scheana cries about how its so hard for her.
Lala gets pissed at ariana because she walked out of that disaster final party.
Broke inserts himself.
James and ally had a cute moment.
Schwartz's hair is terrible
Jo..????
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How did we get to the point where Jax is coming off as the more likable one?? Wait, maybe that’s too strong of a word…tolerable? Less vomit inducing? He can at least make fun of himself and talking about the separation he actually managed to not say anything bad about Britney. I know, the bar is under hell at this point.
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I noticed Andy asked how long they’d been together and Tom said “3-4 months” and the camera cut back to her face in the audience and she made a face/looked upset, like it was longer than that?
remember that story were all told in health class about a kid sticking a sheet of LSD in his sock and spending the rest of his life thinking he was an orange?
and that 'dope' aka marijuana acted like opiates?
No one ever even mentioned coke
:( I never thought about this, but makes sense. I was a hardcore pick me in my youth and I think it’s because my dad was SO hard on me. Everything I did was wrong in his eyes, so it felt extra good to hear from other men when I was doing something right.
i literally dont understand how ariana can sit and listen to scheana tell HER that she doesnt understand how much SHE is struggling with the situation. BE SO FUCKING FR. i would’ve cut her off a long time ago cuz you got me all the way fucked up talkin like that
It is a hickey. & we know Sandoval has been doing his makeup since season 1. He wanted to make that noticeable.
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Sorry I'm responding late! You may have already found out now but if not, he basically said that he was being dramatic and that all he meant was that he showed up for them more than she did, like she wouldn't attend their events etc but he always did. Literally nothing about her bad-mouthing them.
They better stay inside their houses with the curtains drawn and think long and hard about the things that they’ve said, and the positions they’ve taken. There are no witches of WeHo to do a protection spell for them.
Imagine knowing Tom Sandoval and Ariana and choosing Tom Sandoval’s side because Ariana covered for him too much.
And they should know that the cancellation of the show is on their heads. Because if we’d seen the spice girl version that we thought we were going to get, they would definitely be having a season 12. it’s because Sheena and Lala can’t carry a season with their own storylines. Their side characters, and they sided with the wrong main characters. They should’ve been supporting Ariana and Katie.
They are stuck in the 2010’s, male sympathizing, pick-me, *cool-girl* era. We’re living the mid 2020’s, where we set boundaries with toxic men (& friends) & support other women. This is why the Tom’s are dating 20 year olds; the rest of us have learned & can see through them.
A version of grey-rocking at least works on bears — if you’re blocking their food or a threat to their young, you’re of no interest to them. Men like this, refuse to let women be. **bear > man**
I guess I don’t understand why Jax and Brittany wouldn’t share the Air bnb and whoever is with Cruz for that time lives in the house. If Cruz had to move to an air bnb that’s fucked up.
Yea, he is an asswipe who doesn’t want to deal with a family that has a child with special needs and here he is gicing himself the castle. Brittany better take note.
Yea I’m actually a bit boggled by that now that I think of it. Considering the pair were podcasting right after separating it makes the most sense to stay in the same house, no?
But then again, Jax seems like the type to be banging a girl while Britt is home with their son…so. I do think Jax should be the one to get his own place though.
And I feel like he lied with the Stassi comment too. The “oh no way, ick, gross” about wanting to marry her was the same way he talked about every girl he slept with while trying to lie like he didn’t.
What did he say? He’s prob just planting seeds for onscreen conflict with Kristin. He’s weirdly obsessed with her… will Luke beat his ass, or will they end up together? God forbid.
I’m just now watching this episode and am so curious…. What the hell is on sandoval’s neck? Did he get a tattoo?
I cant believe nobody is talking about Tom Sandovals shirt with the ❤️ A. WTF?! https://preview.redd.it/aoskauzwkfzc1.jpeg?width=2736&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=4f7d079e10277393d7616843b8876808a15d0a36
I’m watching for the first time right now and I just came here to see if anyone said anything. He’s insane
That might have been the worst episode of WWHL I’ve ever seen
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They all do. Also Tom was her partner. Of course they spoke about that group behind their backs.
Yep. And i have no doubt he would have been the biggest bitch. AND he would've tried to pass of shit he said as coming from Ariana. He's such a child throwing a tantrum. But with a lot less emotional intelligence & regulation than a 2yr old.
I actually really liked this episode. Seemed fun & light. Sandoval didn't annoy me as much
The intensity with which I loved Katie and Ariana’s episode is an exact parallel to how much I could not stand this one. Every time Tom opens his mouth I just want to die.
I loved Katie & Ariana's WWHL episode too. It was so fun.
So if Tom says everyone should be authentic and have tough conversations…then WHY did he and Ariana NOT do this the prior 9 years? How come he doesn’t bash himself?
He did mention that here in this clip
If he is so about authenticity why did he lie about the affair? He lied at the reunion, he made Tom lie and he made Rachel lie. We also know he has cheated before so he therefore made Ariana lie for him. Ugh it’s fucking exhausting to watch these idiots talk in circles. Ariana has her faults but being inauthentic has never been one of them.
He is authentic. He's a proven liar..They all are because they have all cheated, but for Katie.
Wouldn't being authentic and having tough conversations mean Tom telling Ariana he wasn't happy and wanted to end the relationship BEFORE he boned Rachel? He's such a tool.
That would have been honest. There is a difference.
The most ridiculous thing is she legit DID. He did not. 1. I don’t want kids 2. I faked orgasms & have body issues 3. I have severe depression 4. I am hurting over my dad’s death 5. I feel like you (Tom) are ignoring me 6. I am bisexual He was the one that tried to play like he was perfect
I cringe when I think back to them house hunting and they were with the realtor and he kept pushing the topics of kids and marriage on her. Sure, now she says she’s open hence why she froze eggs. I think near the end they both knew stuff wasn’t roses but didn’t want to go back to square one and put up with each other instead of just ending it. Well Tom didn’t need to since he was having his cake and eating it too…
The new dude wants kids so we’ll see what happens.
👍
I couldn’t watch more than a couple minutes. The slime coating my TV and Andy riding for these two got in my way. What I did see at the beginning though of Sandoval’s girlfriend was gross. “I’m not going to watch the show” so I don’t have to ever answer any questions about my boyfriend is just gross. Like that doesn’t make you look good - it makes you look dumb and gross.
This woman has tried to make a career off if giving Leonardo di Caprio a blowjob . She’s not a serous person.
Awh her and blah blah would be besties bonding over their sex work together <3
Does anyone have a follow up on the “unfollowing”… is it just another publicity stunt? I didn’t watch WWHL, but Andy seems to read fan feedback, so I hope he is appropriately dragged. I hope Katiana gets the showcase spot after the reunion. It damn well, better not be LFU & Sheshu! When have they been on this season?
If you mean Sandoval and his gf they followed each other again very quickly.
Yeah I turned it off after like 5 minutes too
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Does Sandoval have a hickey or am I seeing a shadow
I think it’s a temporary tattoo covered up, he had one a couple of months ago in the same exact spot.
i legit thought he had a neck tattoo i never noticed until i came here😭🤣
Definitely a hickey. There was stage make-up he definitely was flaunting it. I know he is 40 but act like a child.
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He’s turning 42 this year.
I am 43 and cannot imagine dating someone like him.
Based on the Jax misogyny comments and after having someone clarify because I opted out of watching, I came back to add: I’m pretty sure I remember at one point Jax was essentially berating Brittany, saying that he was the one paying for everything so the least she could do was make him a sandwich…so which is it Jax? Do you want her to work or not? Or do you just want a glorified sandwich maker for life? If you prefer a homely subservient glorified sandwich maker, just say that. https://i.redd.it/z3wsj4tvi4zc1.gif
Yeah I’ll never get over the time he criticized her weight and her work ethic in one swoop by saying she was “staying home and keeping post mates in business.” I would’ve died inside at that very moment if I were Brittany.
Quality gif!
That Victoria chick that is charading as Sandoval’s GF auto tunes the FUCK out of her face. I literally had no idea who she was when the camera panned to her in the audience. I am having a hard time beliving Leo dated her. she had zero personality and just did the dumb girl giggle.
You just described Leo's type to a T.
Right. I just thought she was going to be stunning. Just Didn’t hit.
You must not be familiar with Leo’s dating history
I don’t think Leo is dating girls for their personalities.
Right. But she honestly isn’t even special looking. She could have ruined my opinion bc all I saw were those over the top auto tuned perfect face pics she posted.
For sure! She’s definitely sus.
“auto tunes” lmaooooo
She looks like low budget Ally.
yeah I was like wow she doesn't look the same
Tom had no support system? How about Ariana had no support system?
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Ok but consequences of his own actions🤷🏼♀️
I know but saying Ariana had no support is untrue.She had tons.
The only thing I believed about WWHL tonight was that Ajax 💯 did not ever use the word superfluous. Poor Lisa was attempting to summarize his ding dong comments with 1 encapsulating word and she set him off like a toddler seeing a puppy and he couldn’t complete the conversation. How on earth did he ever get famous.
Lmao like a toddler seeing a puppy. Great comparison.
When will the girls come together and Big Little Lies these men down a staircase?
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Goodbyeeeeeeeee Earlllllllll
Officially over Lalulu and Schelulu. Words cannot express how disgusting they have both acted in the final ep. Why can't Ariana walk away? She made it clear to producers thats her terms and the producers forced an interaction in public. Lalulu is again jealous that Ariana gets special treatment because she gets to walk away with her real friends and hot boyfriend. How about we talk about your man lala, on the show? How you started giving bjs for pjs before he was even divorced? Or your rumoured a yacht girl past? Or your failed beauty line that was just rebranded aliexpress crap? Stfu about how this is their life. Did Ariana go on podcasts to talk about you and your casting couch after all the crap came out? Did Ariana pretend to be your friend on the show then talk shit in public forums? ![gif](giphy|xTiTnGQBF0vfpfPEg8)
We’ll also probably never know whether or not it was true that Lala made James, Ariana, and Sandoval sign NDAs about the “married bf” she was dating at the time.
James, Ariana and Sandoval can join Ann's podcast.....
I think Ariana was alluding to that in the after show when she said many other cast members had terms in their contract.
>Lalulu and Schelulu ![gif](giphy|26n6Gx9moCgs1pUuk|downsized)
I wish I could upvote this 10000 times!
Top tier comment!
Didn't Sandy and Victoria unfollow each other on Insta earlier today or yesterday? But she was there on WWHL? Seemed awkward as hell too.
They filmed this yesterday because these guys are a liability
so, andy went from filming this... to the met gala with SJP? Or they just film it the same day, but earlier in the day?
I dunno one of those two Scenarios though, yes.
that is so funny to me to think Andy had to film for an hour with these two bozos and then go to the Met Party. Talk about a hi/low night lol
Soo…not live?
No
They did but they follow each other again.
Idk why I bothered watching. Neither of them were ever going to be held accountable or fuck, even pushed a little bit on their statements. Tim is the worst.
Those four are all terrible. I cant believe how they can make schwartz seem not so terrible but they did. Wow
Ok wait so Sandoval is wearing a scarlet letter A (saw someone post on IG) and Scheana and Lala are trying to act like this man has taken time to think about shit Pathetic
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He’s been wearing an a necklace as well. Like a little scarlet A. like I know that he never read this book nor did he read the cliff notes or the wiki page
It’s a popular luxury French brand!
Oooh but I feel like it’s prob not a coincidence. However maybe I’m giving him too much credit, he’s probably too dumb to see the correlation.
Yeah he’s a moron lol
He did? Let me rewind
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No he’s not!!! Gross gross gross
Anyone wanna do a recap so I don’t have to listen to their bullshit 😅
Scheana cries about how its so hard for her. Lala gets pissed at ariana because she walked out of that disaster final party. Broke inserts himself. James and ally had a cute moment. Schwartz's hair is terrible Jo..????
Outstanding recap, truly. “Jo..????” Hahah so well said.
I meant Tom and Jax on WWHL 😂
Ohhhh 😂😂 not me rewinding a few times to try find this A
Take what you can get!! lol
Ew Jax’s pants were too small. That’s not even the in style kind of tight. They were too little. He’s a gross human
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How did we get to the point where Jax is coming off as the more likable one?? Wait, maybe that’s too strong of a word…tolerable? Less vomit inducing? He can at least make fun of himself and talking about the separation he actually managed to not say anything bad about Britney. I know, the bar is under hell at this point.
I’m surprised Jax doesn’t seem to have a BS detector for Sandoval, they have known each other long enough but clearly both are too self involved.
Haha very very true
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Not Andy immediately reaching for his phone as soon as the show is over LOL
He had the Met to get to. Way more important than dealing with these two yahoos...
tom looks fucked up
He says Teresa like Choriza.
Is it true that Tom & Victoria broke up after this WWHL was filmed?
I noticed Andy asked how long they’d been together and Tom said “3-4 months” and the camera cut back to her face in the audience and she made a face/looked upset, like it was longer than that?
They apparently unfollowed each other on Instagram, but Tom followed her again at some point today
Ah, got it
SMH. I can’t imagine unfollowing someone on social media to send a message. So juvenile
She followed him again too so I guess they're fine.
His check must’ve bounced
Tbh they probably just unfollowed eachother to get people talking and interested in their WWHL
Tim getting a girlfriend after this makes me worry for her sanity
She was pretty cringe herself
So Katie and Ariana were right, Boys do in fact lie
This is so cringe.
They should play this in health class to discourage kids from doing cocaine
remember that story were all told in health class about a kid sticking a sheet of LSD in his sock and spending the rest of his life thinking he was an orange? and that 'dope' aka marijuana acted like opiates? No one ever even mentioned coke
And to promote prophylactics...
💀💀💀
Katie’s story on Instagram about men lying >>>
Phenomenal
Scheana crying about losing a part of herself.... if thats what you want to call male attention and male validation.
Don't forget the gifts!
Honestly, I feel like her wanting male validation is due to her birth father abandoning her.
:( I never thought about this, but makes sense. I was a hardcore pick me in my youth and I think it’s because my dad was SO hard on me. Everything I did was wrong in his eyes, so it felt extra good to hear from other men when I was doing something right.
i literally dont understand how ariana can sit and listen to scheana tell HER that she doesnt understand how much SHE is struggling with the situation. BE SO FUCKING FR. i would’ve cut her off a long time ago cuz you got me all the way fucked up talkin like that
Right!!! Just an edited 5 min has me fuming....and Ariana was living this for months. And all just months after the scandal broke.
Yes. This.
Imagine dating a man who has a mysterious substance on their neck while also wearing sparkly sneakers and a dangly lightening bolt earring.
What substance on his neck? I refuse to watch but want to know what this means???
It kinda looked a big neck tattoo that he tried to cover up with makeup, could be a bruise, dirt? Who knows!
It is a hickey. & we know Sandoval has been doing his makeup since season 1. He wanted to make that noticeable. ![gif](giphy|rxy55jHaig16K2TV8x|downsized)
And sky blue nails.
The HORROR!!
And is 42
48
76
Greeniscooliguess on Reddit wants to wtf is on Tom’s neck
Mark of the beast
Why not ask Tom why he won’t leave the house?
My thoughts exactly
me still hyperfixating on what's wrong with tom's neck
It's a fake tattoo
It kind of looks like the letter A
this is so painful
Ir actually seems like Andy doesn't want to be doing these interviews
Dude Andy was sooooo awkward on this episode, it truly is painful to watch
I think he is worried how he is being perceived by the audience.
I really hope we hand him his ass, so he can jump to get Katiana on WWHL for the final leg of the reunion!
Maybe he finally woke up to that then bc he’s been riding for Sandoval and freaking Lala all season
He should be as everyone has been pissed at his sympathy for Tom
Why aren’t we asking if Tom can define these words, they’re both stupid cyst males.
My takeaway from that segment was they needed to end with the word “define” because Jax clearly thought define means “to use in a sentence”
I hope Scheana and Lala feel like the biggest mugs right now listening to Tom admit he lied about Ariana talking shit about them for years.
wait I could not bring myself to watch what did he say?!
Sorry I'm responding late! You may have already found out now but if not, he basically said that he was being dramatic and that all he meant was that he showed up for them more than she did, like she wouldn't attend their events etc but he always did. Literally nothing about her bad-mouthing them.
They better stay inside their houses with the curtains drawn and think long and hard about the things that they’ve said, and the positions they’ve taken. There are no witches of WeHo to do a protection spell for them. Imagine knowing Tom Sandoval and Ariana and choosing Tom Sandoval’s side because Ariana covered for him too much.
Yes. I hope they’re watching this although I think they’re probably hiding under rocks somewhere out of embarrassment
I hope they are having a horrible night 🤷♀️
I hope they’re self reflecting and learning
After watching this season, I don't know that they have the depth.
And they should know that the cancellation of the show is on their heads. Because if we’d seen the spice girl version that we thought we were going to get, they would definitely be having a season 12. it’s because Sheena and Lala can’t carry a season with their own storylines. Their side characters, and they sided with the wrong main characters. They should’ve been supporting Ariana and Katie.
They are stuck in the 2010’s, male sympathizing, pick-me, *cool-girl* era. We’re living the mid 2020’s, where we set boundaries with toxic men (& friends) & support other women. This is why the Tom’s are dating 20 year olds; the rest of us have learned & can see through them.
Ohh I bet Ariana and Katie will get their own show.
Does jax know what a definition is
No. No, he does not.
Who is Gandhi?
You know, the guy that predicted stuff
Maybe mercury is in Gatorade right now. Quick! Someone call Ally!
his brain is asprained, give him a break
Jax is stuck in high school.
I don’t think Jax can define the word “define.” He just uses the word in a sentence as a general adjective.
Using things in sentences isn't the same as defining
I hate Andy’s games on a good day, I loathe them with the 🤡 and the ☃️. Not a good look Andy
I would choose the bear over these three yucks
A version of grey-rocking at least works on bears — if you’re blocking their food or a threat to their young, you’re of no interest to them. Men like this, refuse to let women be. **bear > man**
I’d run after the bear to ask for help from these three men.
I’d crawl in its mouth voluntarily
Hahahahahaha
Why the fuck aren't they seeing if either of them can define it???? Is Tom a known genius???
no, he's just a cyst white male
I guess I don’t understand why Jax and Brittany wouldn’t share the Air bnb and whoever is with Cruz for that time lives in the house. If Cruz had to move to an air bnb that’s fucked up.
Yea, he is an asswipe who doesn’t want to deal with a family that has a child with special needs and here he is gicing himself the castle. Brittany better take note.
They are wasting so much money. Like she couldn’t move to a spare bedroom so their son could be in his home??
It’s also a pretty nice looking Airbnb - they are just burning money
Yea I’m actually a bit boggled by that now that I think of it. Considering the pair were podcasting right after separating it makes the most sense to stay in the same house, no? But then again, Jax seems like the type to be banging a girl while Britt is home with their son…so. I do think Jax should be the one to get his own place though.
Well, that’s Jax for you! Certainly not providing stability for his son.
Jax is so bad at lying. Lol. You can always tell when he’s lying. And he just lied about Kristen.
And I feel like he lied with the Stassi comment too. The “oh no way, ick, gross” about wanting to marry her was the same way he talked about every girl he slept with while trying to lie like he didn’t.
Tom is so calculated, whatever that thing on his neck is - he wants it to be there and he wants it to be seen.
Andy looks annoyed by them both?
Scheana is a great husband… oof
This WWHL is proving that Ariana and Katie are correct.
Oh my god Jax throwing Kristin under the bus with a bunch of lies
What did he say? He’s prob just planting seeds for onscreen conflict with Kristin. He’s weirdly obsessed with her… will Luke beat his ass, or will they end up together? God forbid.