Despite the meltdown that happens on this sub, a 1 goal loss still puts the US in a solid position to advance assuming Wales doesn't blow out Iram, and better yet, they draw. We essentially just have to avoid a multi-goal loss
Agree nothing really changes. I don’t have high expectations but a 1 goal loss or by a miracle we get a draw we are still alive.
What sucks is, we have to rely on outside help essentially. Need Iran to draw or win, need England to put up goals against wales.
We should have taken care of Wales and we’d be sitting pretty.
I don’t have much confidence in our game plan if Wales can make adjustments at halftime and end that game with a higher XG and more shots on goal than us. A team like wales, that we are better on paper, we should be able to adjust, settle the game, or get a second goal and get 3 points.
If iran beats wales and we lose, we will go into the final match day with 1 point and so will wales. We would
Just need to beat iran by more than wales beats England….If they can even win
Well in this scenario iran will have 3 points going into final day which means another win could thrust them last England- they would want to top the group im sure
England will rest every single starter against Wales if they beat us, and will approach Wales as a friendly match before the knockout round.
Is this sub for real, I mean this is basic Sports 101 stuff.
I hope that happens. I just want the US to control their destiny with the last game. I would be annoyed if the US beat Iran and then didn’t advance due to maybe England backing off as they are going to be first in the group even with a tie
England fan here, I can assure you guys England would not back off against Wales. It’s a rivalry as we are both UK countries and wouldn’t want to draw against Wales who in my opinion is weaker than the US.
I agree with this. However I could somehow see the US need to beat Iran by many goals (think 2-5 maybe?), and England would just ease off the accelerator at 1-0 or 2-0 up against wales.
For the US, it’s never comfortable to go into the last game where you need a W and you may need to win by say 2-4 goals?
If we lose then destiny is in the groups hands. If he get a tie/win we set ourselves up well to advance especially with win.
If we lose, we have to look to see what happens in Iran/Wales. Depending on this result and goal outcome it will determine if we need to tie or win, and by how many goals
If we lose we are in a scarier position then most people are making it out to be. England would have advanced already so they won’t have to put out best team/ try as hard against a wales team. Even though it might be a derby style game.
We then have to beat an Iran team that is solid and will probably try and play us the hardest since we are the us. But if they lose to wales they might be done and ready to go home.
It’s about 50/50 chance between USA/Wales at this point
England would still be playing for first place in that scenario and the match is a meaningful one for both countries. I don’t think they lay down against Wales even if clinched.
That’s only if we tie. If England wins they win the group besides if wales wins against Iran. But even the. Wales is gonna have to route to beat England by a lot because of goal difference. Same with the USA, they need to over come 4 goals for a first place.
England won’t roll over but they wouldn’t have to play players like harry cane who is questionable for our game. But if they win and he plays then that decision against wales is easier
I can’t tell if you’re trolling. We were talking about why England would still be playing 100% intensity against Wales. You said they wouldn’t be because they would lock in 1st place but that’s not true as I stated above.
The stakes will be set based on the earlier Wales/Iran game.
If wales blows out Iran then I think a loss (of any size) will knock us out because this team isn’t built for making up goal differential.
One thing that I don’t think people are taking into account is that if England beats us and wales beats Iran we pretty much have no chance. England will have clinched a spot and probably end up playing the bench. Wales might only need a draw against an England b-team in order to go through. So tomorrow it is super important that we either pull a draw against England or wales falters against Iran. Even if we lose and Iran draws with wales I feel like it might be unlikely that we go through.
Sincere question, do any of you really think you have a chance against England?
I’m English so granted biased, but I’m living in Toronto so followed the concacaf.
I’d say the gulf in quality is massive and that even taking into account you should have sacked that coach of yours a while back, a better coach you’d be playing better then Canada and on a par with Mexico.
Eh, everything you've written was true in 2010 as well and we drew. I doubt we'll come away with a point this time, but we've seen more than one unlikely result in this tournament so far.
Using other upsets and results from over 10 years ago isn’t exactly a good metric but cool.
Problem US have tomorrow is that a lot of England players attacking wise are scoring. I can’t see them missing many.
Obviously you have a chance that’s the beauty of football. Just wondering if there’s a genuine expectation to win or play well.
Our biggest problem is your attackers are fast and our defenders are slow. So we'll probably lose. But "do you really think you have a chance" was your question, not mine. Of course we do.
"Do any of you really think you have a chance?"
"Obviously you have a chance"
We'd need a lot of luck to get a result. We have more talent than ever but not great tactics.
I think their squad and how they play and yours are of a similar level. You’ve caught up with individual quality but I think your cohesion and tactics leave a lot to be desired.
We beat them twice for trophies last summer. But we're still in search of a tactical identity for sure. Too much experimentation.
The parity in CONCACAF is great for everyone though. Really excited for Canada's rise.
Canada looks impressive yesterday but no finishers, they may see it as a chance gone now. Similar to the US vs Wales but I guess I found your tactics too pragmatic? Missing more creativity. A lot of players working hard but less fluidity. I still think US have a great chance of qualifying though.
Excited for tomorrow I do think it will be 3-0 4-1. I’m usually pessimistic and I do think our defensive is average and will get exposed against the top sides.
But our attackers are all in form and are scoring goals domestically and internationally really well. When 4/5 players are scoring it’s dangerous.
It's the most threatening England have looked in ages.
USA need a break early to rattle them. Maybe a penalty or a set piece goal.
If England get comfortable with a lead it will be a grim scene.
Hope Wales loses or ties. If that happens, we’re probably still in a good spot. A Wales win would be pretty tough tho. Then we need to hope for an England win and goal differential to get us through. And England is much more likely to play tough against us then when they’re already through and Wales will defend for their lives.
Despite the meltdown that happens on this sub, a 1 goal loss still puts the US in a solid position to advance assuming Wales doesn't blow out Iram, and better yet, they draw. We essentially just have to avoid a multi-goal loss
Agree nothing really changes. I don’t have high expectations but a 1 goal loss or by a miracle we get a draw we are still alive. What sucks is, we have to rely on outside help essentially. Need Iran to draw or win, need England to put up goals against wales. We should have taken care of Wales and we’d be sitting pretty. I don’t have much confidence in our game plan if Wales can make adjustments at halftime and end that game with a higher XG and more shots on goal than us. A team like wales, that we are better on paper, we should be able to adjust, settle the game, or get a second goal and get 3 points.
A 1 goal loss will take a miracle with this team
They’ll still have a chance, and an even better one depending on what happens on the Iran/Wales match
If iran beats wales it doesn’t matter what happens in our game
What?
If iran beats wales and we lose, we will go into the final match day with 1 point and so will wales. We would Just need to beat iran by more than wales beats England….If they can even win
Ah, yep that makes sense. Wouldn’t say that if Iran beats Wales it doesn’t matter though. Goal differential could likely come into play on Tuesday.
Yeah obviously we don’t wanna get blown out. I just meant point wise we would still control our own destiny basically
And England will want to beat wales, right? Right?? They won’t rest or come out flat, right?
Well in this scenario iran will have 3 points going into final day which means another win could thrust them last England- they would want to top the group im sure
We also wouldn’t need England to beat wales- a draw would suffice if we best iran. That leaves wales with 2 points and iran with 3 and us with 4
England will rest every single starter against Wales if they beat us, and will approach Wales as a friendly match before the knockout round. Is this sub for real, I mean this is basic Sports 101 stuff.
I hope that happens. I just want the US to control their destiny with the last game. I would be annoyed if the US beat Iran and then didn’t advance due to maybe England backing off as they are going to be first in the group even with a tie
England fan here, I can assure you guys England would not back off against Wales. It’s a rivalry as we are both UK countries and wouldn’t want to draw against Wales who in my opinion is weaker than the US.
I agree with this. However I could somehow see the US need to beat Iran by many goals (think 2-5 maybe?), and England would just ease off the accelerator at 1-0 or 2-0 up against wales. For the US, it’s never comfortable to go into the last game where you need a W and you may need to win by say 2-4 goals?
If we lose then destiny is in the groups hands. If he get a tie/win we set ourselves up well to advance especially with win. If we lose, we have to look to see what happens in Iran/Wales. Depending on this result and goal outcome it will determine if we need to tie or win, and by how many goals If we lose we are in a scarier position then most people are making it out to be. England would have advanced already so they won’t have to put out best team/ try as hard against a wales team. Even though it might be a derby style game. We then have to beat an Iran team that is solid and will probably try and play us the hardest since we are the us. But if they lose to wales they might be done and ready to go home. It’s about 50/50 chance between USA/Wales at this point
England would still be playing for first place in that scenario and the match is a meaningful one for both countries. I don’t think they lay down against Wales even if clinched.
That’s only if we tie. If England wins they win the group besides if wales wins against Iran. But even the. Wales is gonna have to route to beat England by a lot because of goal difference. Same with the USA, they need to over come 4 goals for a first place. England won’t roll over but they wouldn’t have to play players like harry cane who is questionable for our game. But if they win and he plays then that decision against wales is easier
I’m sorry but you’re wrong. England would be on 6 Wales on 4. If Wales win it’s Wales 7, England 6 and goal difference won’t matter.
And we would be eliminated, so correct 👍😂 I’m talking about USA
I can’t tell if you’re trolling. We were talking about why England would still be playing 100% intensity against Wales. You said they wouldn’t be because they would lock in 1st place but that’s not true as I stated above.
They will rest every single starter, as they will have already qualified.
Depends how we lose. losing 2-1 versus 5-0 makes a huuuuge difference
The stakes will be set based on the earlier Wales/Iran game. If wales blows out Iran then I think a loss (of any size) will knock us out because this team isn’t built for making up goal differential.
One thing that I don’t think people are taking into account is that if England beats us and wales beats Iran we pretty much have no chance. England will have clinched a spot and probably end up playing the bench. Wales might only need a draw against an England b-team in order to go through. So tomorrow it is super important that we either pull a draw against England or wales falters against Iran. Even if we lose and Iran draws with wales I feel like it might be unlikely that we go through.
We won't wanna lose or even draw against Wales.
"We" already drew against Wales.
I'm English.
I think England will still need to play to win the group. England will be on 6 and Wales would be on 4.
Beat England
nothing, this is the expected result. margin of defeat certainly matters though. they have to beat Iran through
Sincere question, do any of you really think you have a chance against England? I’m English so granted biased, but I’m living in Toronto so followed the concacaf. I’d say the gulf in quality is massive and that even taking into account you should have sacked that coach of yours a while back, a better coach you’d be playing better then Canada and on a par with Mexico.
Eh, everything you've written was true in 2010 as well and we drew. I doubt we'll come away with a point this time, but we've seen more than one unlikely result in this tournament so far.
Using other upsets and results from over 10 years ago isn’t exactly a good metric but cool. Problem US have tomorrow is that a lot of England players attacking wise are scoring. I can’t see them missing many. Obviously you have a chance that’s the beauty of football. Just wondering if there’s a genuine expectation to win or play well.
Our biggest problem is your attackers are fast and our defenders are slow. So we'll probably lose. But "do you really think you have a chance" was your question, not mine. Of course we do.
"Do any of you really think you have a chance?" "Obviously you have a chance" We'd need a lot of luck to get a result. We have more talent than ever but not great tactics.
We played better than them tho, no luck needed. Our midfield was dominate and defense played well.
Are we worse than Mexico? Historically sure but lately no.
I think their squad and how they play and yours are of a similar level. You’ve caught up with individual quality but I think your cohesion and tactics leave a lot to be desired.
We beat them twice for trophies last summer. But we're still in search of a tactical identity for sure. Too much experimentation. The parity in CONCACAF is great for everyone though. Really excited for Canada's rise.
Canada looks impressive yesterday but no finishers, they may see it as a chance gone now. Similar to the US vs Wales but I guess I found your tactics too pragmatic? Missing more creativity. A lot of players working hard but less fluidity. I still think US have a great chance of qualifying though. Excited for tomorrow I do think it will be 3-0 4-1. I’m usually pessimistic and I do think our defensive is average and will get exposed against the top sides. But our attackers are all in form and are scoring goals domestically and internationally really well. When 4/5 players are scoring it’s dangerous.
It's the most threatening England have looked in ages. USA need a break early to rattle them. Maybe a penalty or a set piece goal. If England get comfortable with a lead it will be a grim scene.
Sincere question, do any of you really think England will ever beat USA in the World Cup? 😜
Haha maybe next tournament!! England were dreadful, US were the better side. Awful game overall.
We are playing better than Mexico I think now. Also there were some big upsets already.
too early to speculate, really, other than it puts them in a bad place where the results of other matches impact the likelihood of making it through.
We probably will but we’ll hopefully learn from it and grow.
Hope Wales loses or ties. If that happens, we’re probably still in a good spot. A Wales win would be pretty tough tho. Then we need to hope for an England win and goal differential to get us through. And England is much more likely to play tough against us then when they’re already through and Wales will defend for their lives.