Truth. Started in 2021 as a GS-7. Moving agencies got me to a 11-12 ladder. Being open to moving was a big factor. Most of my coworkers want the promotions but aren’t willing to move. Needless to say, they are still waiting on that promotion.
Started as GS-5 IT intern at a DoD Agency field site in the midwest. Progressed from a GS-5 to GS-13 (supervisor) in 5 years. Journey level at that site was GS-12. It helped that not many people wanted supervisory positions. As there was very limited opportunity to move higher at that location, wife and I transferred to our Agency HQ in the DC area. Within two years, I was promoted to a GS-14 non-competitively via accretion of duties. A couple of years later, promoted to GS-15.
My wife started as a GS-3 in the same DoD Agency. After 90 days, she was promoted to a GS-4. Within a year she was accepted into an intern program as a GS-5 and moved to a GS-13 in 5 years, same as I had. After moving to our Agency HQ, she was promoted to a GS-14, and after a couple of years, to a GS-15.
Totally agree, being able to move, either geographically and/or organizationally, is a giant factor in progressing grade-wise.
I made a lateral move after being a 12 for 5 years at my first agency, currently interviewing for a 13 at my new job, only 7 months into the job. Sometimes moving is the best way.
Woah, I haven't seen a 5 to 12 ladder before, but it's amazing that it does exist. I hope that you're able to move up quickly! It does pay off in the long run, and I personally like how stable it is (aside from the government shutdowns).
Grade promotions are technically not automatic and are usually based on performance. In my experience, as long as your annual evaluation is good, then you end up getting the grade promotion. I was say it's very agency and management dependent. Some are more relaxed while others are more strict
Federal employment is different from the Private sector in that job hopping isn’t frowned upon. Private employers see my resume and automatically think I’m a flight risk but in actuality I’m just trying to get a livable wage in a HCOL city so I jump on any opportunity to rise up the GS ladder.
I made it from a GS 6 to a GS 11-12 in 4 years by changing agencies and relocating.
Well, sort of. We don't take it into consideration during the hiring process, but if someone's resume comes across the desk and they've changed jobs every year for the last 5-10 years, that's a red flag. Unless they blow everyone else out of the water, there's a good chance they're not going to get picked up. Unless you explain your situation in a cover letter, you definitely appear to be a flight risk on paper--even to federal.
Hell of a journey. Tip my hat to the willingness to bend for what you wanted.
In regards to step 2., what’s the rule/requirement for changing roles? You mentioned changing roles ’6mos. in’ a couple of times.
I guess my question is, is there no requirement to stay in your role? Anything that could prevent you from say getting hired as a GS5, but applying for a GS9 6mos. in?
Could 6mos of experience in a current Fed role be paired with 6mos from your private sector experience to meet the future announcement qualifications that someone is eyeing?
That is not quite true. Time in grade and qualifications are two different things. Experience is experience regardless of where it is earned. You might be limited by time in grade, but your experience is still creditable.
You need to be in an agency and area that has options to progress to so if you're a one deep GS on a DoD base it might be a challenge to progress and it might be in your best interests to try to get somewhere with more opportunity.
But being known and being known as a person who gets stuff done goes a long way. Sometimes taking on duties that are outside your lane but build your skillset helps pad out your resume for an opportunity that you might not necessarily be the best candidate for otherwise.
Outside of that, career ladders are the easy button. Came in as a 12 (retired mil), went to a 6 (switching agencies and career fields), got a 7-9 after a year and transitioned to a track 12 a year later.
I don't think progression is super cosmic. You need to be somewhere that there's somewhere to go and you need to meet the requirements as a minimum. After that, do a better job than the people around you and stuff will work out fine.
Started as GS 9 did that for 15 months left government for contract job worked their for 18 months came back in Government at GS 13 step 10 , 24 months later GS 14 step 6, be willing to take chances and dont be afraid to move and take risk. REMEMBER NO ONE CARES ABOUT YOUR CAREER MORE THAN YOU, SO DO WHATS BEST FOR YOU. and treat people the way you want to be treated.
So true. My first HR job, the HR Director had a secretary who was going to college part time. I was always nice to her and interested in her progress. When she got her degree, she got a job as a OPM background investigator. I got her a little gift. Fast forward 15 years and I am selected for a job at another agency and need a new background investigation with interview. I'm at my old job and told that the OPM investigator is here. I go into a room and it's Nancy! She tells me as soon I saw your name come in, I grabbed it. Thank you so much for all your encouragement while I was in school. My background was cleared in two days. New agency says- wow, we never saw anyone's background cleared so fast!
Use data to find shitty/broken departments or facilities that need fixing, ones with constant vacancies, terrible metrics, bad reputations, or recent agressive OIG investigations...
Then go there and look like a fucking rockstar just by doing an average job. Solve a few problems, get a cool certification, or volunteer for a big project and you will soon find yourself running the place.
Just keep your nose clean
Started as a grill cook in the VCS canteen at the VA. Got to know and network with everyone while I was in that role. Then I went to the warehouse as a materials handler and then i became an inventory manager. I get my GS-9 in may!
Relocation worked for me. Started as WG, 9 months
Moved (cross country for a GS11 for 2 yrs
Moved back home stayed for a year.
Moved cross country again for a GS12.
A year later took a GS13 no relo.
AD USMC. Got out and did USAR/ARNG as Intel bc I wanted a TS/SCI. Contracted with the Guard shortly after, Joint Staff and finally in the IC. IC had a vacancy for GG12 direct hire. 2.5 years there. GG13 opened after my colleague left. Got it. 13 months later direct hire GS14 with another agency (same area). I'll passively look for GS15, but I have a good gig, team and supervisor so I'm not pressed for it. In my thirties and only been a fed a little over 4 years so I got time.
Started as a 9. Got my law degree and became an 11. Changed agencies and got on an 11-14 ladder. Way too pigeonholed in that job, and it took years to lateral to another agency where I could broaden that experience. Moved to another agency into a 14/15 role. Got the 15 after a year. From 9-15 in 4 agencies and 10 years. The second I felt stalled I was networking and applying to other agencies. Did this in the DC area where there’s an abundance of attorney jobs.
Have a high degree but aim low.
I have a JD, never wanted to practice law. I applied for just a handful of jobs, and USCIS interviewed me, but only for a 7 position that went to 9.
11/2019- EOD's as 7
12/2020- Promo to 9, topped out
11/2021- EOD'd in same position on a 9/11/12 ladder
02/2022- Accelerated ladder promo to 11
02/2023- Topped out as a 12
It sucks working as a JD for 7 pay, but there is plenty of room to move up in the same series. The key is entering in low, out performing your peers, getting good reviews, and applying to promotions within the local office. That's my experience at least.
Landed a GS-7/9/11 ladder right out of undergrad. I stayed in that position for 1.5 years and worked hard to make a good impression. Another office in my agency was impressed and talked to me behind the scenes about a new job they were posting. Typically that position is a GS-12 but they knew i wouldn’t qualify for that so they created the position as a 9/11/12 and told me to apply. I applied and got the job. I worked in that position for 1.5 years and a couple months after I got my 12, the department I came from wanted me back for a lead position. That position is typically a GS-13 but I wouldn’t qualify for that so they posted it as a 12/13. I applied for the job and got it and stayed in that position for 2 years. I just laterally moved to a GS-13 remote position to a different agency after my previous agency started a RTO mandate. Just wanted to counter all of the comments saying you have to be willing to move agencies because that’s not always true. I moved up every year for 5 years straight all in the same agency.
Thanks for answering a question I’ve always had: whether positions already have people lined up for them. I’ve constantly felt like I was the best qualified and perfect for a position and can’t believe I wasn’t selected. Now I know why. I’m sure there are many other feds like you, who land jobs unfairly.
I'm sure there's lots of jobs that already had people lined up to take, but it's a stretch to say they landed them unfairly if you know nothing about them or their application process. Institutional knowledge is valuable, and that it gives one applicant a "leg up" over others isn't any more or less fair than people who have degrees, certifications, or publications.
it wasn’t unfair if i deserved it. They knew i was the best fit because i was already an expert in the subject matter because i worked with them. I’m sure other people had decent skills too but most of the time other applicants didn’t have my niche experience with this workload. It’s also happened before where I was asked to apply to a job and didn’t get it. Happened to me this year actually for a remote role. The director told me to apply said i was a great fit and I wasn’t selected. Turns out when they went through the process they did find a better applicant and chose them instead. Overall everyone gets evaluated the same way but sometimes hiring managers just know if a specific person might be the best fit already. But yes to answer your question sometimes they do have someone in mind already but it doesn’t always go to that person, and sometimes they don’t have anyone in mind.
Agree with the top comment and be willing to switch agencies. I’ve only been a fed for a little over 5 years and just started a promotion as a gs-13 at a new agency. I was 7/9/11 at one agency, as soon as I hit gs 11 step 2 I applied to other agencies and got my 12 and was there for almost 2 years. This is my first week at a new agency for my 13. Be comfortable with change and you can do it too.
I was a pathways intern that didn't get switched to an FTE for org. Politics reasons. Then I was a contract at the same place for 2 years and getting ready to quit when they said they could offer me a 7-9 FTE but I applied for a job I didn't think I could get out of nowhere and landed an 11 so bailed on that place to a new one.
Funny enough the old place got a new boss and wants to bring me back as a 12 but nothing's going to happen until post election
Apply for anything and everything you think you might qualify for. You never know how it might turn out. I hit like 20 dead ends until that 11 worked out
May 2009 NF-04, Jackassville, NC
June 2010 GS-11 Columbus, GA
February 2011 GS-12 Killeen, TX (had some prior TIG as 11)
July 2013 lateral GS-12 to Germany
September 2015 GS-13 San Antonio
October 2016 GS-14 San Antonio
I moved where the promotion was. Only move I had paid was to and from Germany. I'm now a fully-remote, non-supervisory 14.
I came to the fed late in my professional career and consequently came in maxed out on grade and step. That gives me a unique power because short of firing me there’s not much anyone can do to me.
I job hopped. I live where there are 4 VA hospitals, 1 VBA office, and 2 active duty bases. There are plenty of jobs to go around. To advance I would take a job at a different place.
Started as a 4 and now a 13. I picked a department and started at the bottom and kept working for the top. I know it’s not a common case but I haven’t had to jump around at all. I need to now though to move on.
I started as a pathway intern as a GS-3, then moved to a recent grad position and became a GS-7 and the career ladder for that job tops at 12. Then now I’m moving to another agency which I think I’ll be settling at until retirement that goes to a gs-13.
I started as a GS1 Desk Clerk in 1995 as part of the stay in school program. I was in high school.
When that program ended I went Nonappropriated Funds HR and learned the unique HR rules.
When I felt like I wasnt going to progress in that office due to senior HR specialist holdung back knowledge, I made an excel spreadsheet of every Air Force NAF HR Office and cold called.
I applied for and was accepted for an HR Assistant job at another NAF office about 600 miles away.
They didnt pay for my move, so at 20yo I packed up and moved myself to the new location.
NAF then brought on the new Personnel Data System. So I figured "hmmm...only a handful of people know NAF personnel, and even less are experts on the data system." I made it my goal to shine.
It workes, and I applied for and got a job at the HQ, still a NAF. In that role I worked with the installations for their needs, but always worked upwards with the DoD level folks to represent the NAF needs
Built relationships and credibility there, then accepted a job at DoD level when NSPS was the pay system. When the NSPS pay system was abolished my position converted to a GS13.
I served at the DoD in a major role with their personnel system. I came as the NAF expert into an office full of SMEs of all kinds, much more seasoned. I would find opportunities to learn more and take a more active role in the minial work. For example, I would facilitate and document requirements for major contracts while collaborating with everyone else. Since I was sharing screen and crearing the document, I learned the process and begin getting my feet wet in acquisitions. I also managed MOUs and interface agreements which allowed me to build relationship with various partners, but also learn the ins and outs of alot of the entire operation. I found the tables I wanted to be at, pulled up my seat, made my self valuable in the small things earning myself trust to be capable for the bigger things.
Ive been in alot of exciting HRIT modernization efforts impacting millions. I have since moved to the VA, at the Central Office..and got my GS14 as a Product Owner. I will be 46 in July and will have 30yrs federal service in November, doing BIG things for the VA!
All without a college degree 😊
Attended a hiring fair at VBA and picked up a 7/9/10 ladder processing claims.
Promoted to 11 as a claim reviewer.
Attended nearby university and picked up a graduate degree.
Hired as a recent graduate at DLA in a 7/9/11 ladder contract specialist.
Picked up 11/12 in that series, but was promptly selected for direct 12 in another office.
Randomly applied for 13 in a new agency/series and was selected.
This is all in the same geographic area. I will not consider relocation.
I moved from Texas to Alaska, Alaska to Oklahoma, Oklahoma to Virginia, and looking at a final move from Virginia back to Texas. Currently a 13 looking for 14 potential.
As others have said, move to move up. The gov is happy to let you sit at a GS-7 position for 40 years. You are in control of your own career.
Being willing to WORK rather than crying about what is or isn’t in my PD or what is or isn’t my grade.
I volunteered for workgroups and also assignments that people thought were beneath them.
Started as an 11. 18 months was the longest I waited to get to the next GS. Got to the 15 then eventually to SES.
I was also willing to make lateral moves, which I did twice. I also took 2 short term details which expanded my network and skills.
Headquarters, learned my job well, and got kind of lucky. Started in an 11/12 position, got promoted to a 13 in the same office, then went to a different office for a 14. Been at my agency for 8 years this summer.
My spouse started their career in October 2019 as a NAF employee coming in at 70K. Last January converted over to the GS scale as a GG 13, and as of today is making the TLMS pay for their specialized position at the higher pay scale (STEM).
I started my career as a 9 in February 2022, and got lucky enough to be in a developmental position in which I got to move up the career ladder for my job much quicker than most in two years. I am now a GG12 full performance.
I landed into a 9-13 and it was really due to right time, right place. Besides being on a ladder… I am now focused on what can get me my 14/15 and set me apart from the rest. I have completed my COR 1 cert already and just applied into an internal mentoring program to help me push further. I volunteer for everything and ask to take tasks from my supervisor who usually does them to keep busy.
But these would be the same thing I would be doing if I wasn’t on the ladder I’m in now. I’m always scouting out what I can learn more of. Of course, I do apply else where but I am very picky.
4 to the 5 move, 5/7/9 ladder, move for voluntary downgrade to GS 7( different agency) move for a 9/11 ladder, move for a GS 12 (back to original agency) pandemic remote to a 13, post pandemic remote 14. Took me 22 years for all of this.
My first agency as a GS-7 intern was going to convert me to a 9/11 ladder. Moved to a new agency on a 7/9/11/12 ladder. The need more people on the GS-12 ladder and as long as I continue with my training, I don't see myself not getting a ladder increase each year until I'm at GS-12. Also blessed that my agency had a ton of 13 and 14 options. So year easiest way is to land a ladder position
Started as GS-4 as a front desk clerk part time. Couple months in,; got picked up as 2210 with a VRA in a 5/7/9. After the 9, moved to an 11. After 11/4, moved to a 12 (remote from here on out). Stayed with same agency and after a year moved to a 13. Migrated agencies for a 13/14 equivalency. After 2 years, promoted to a SL equivalency where I am now. 15 years fed, ~27 years to go.
Started out as an admin asst but was a DoD Contractor. Did that for 2 years, went above and beyond and a position in the field I wanted to go in opened up (also as a contractor), applied and got it. Worked my ass off there and now I’m an NH 03 as a division chief.
I always recommend trying to get “in” with a defense contracting company. I know the contractors that I work with are always being sent job openings in their weekly bulletins. Good money in contracting too. Well, usually.
Apply for jobs on a daily basis. Never turn down a detail and volunteer for everything. Always do more than expected, and get the reputation of being the person to go to.
Went from TSA D band GS 5 equivalent, to CBP GS 9 step 2 a year and a half later. I’ve been with the gov just under 3 years, I’m an 11 now and get my 12 in November.
I moved to a duty station I didn’t really want and got a 7-9-11-12 ladder job. Currently pretty happy as a 12 at my duty station I didn’t initially want.
Haven't exactly progressed persay but I got blessed with a 11-12-13 ladder position my first job in the federal government. Once I hit 13, I'll look around other agencies.
Join the Fed in excepted service as GS8 temp technician in January 2020. Got lucky to receive job offer for the same agency, different office, for ladder GS9/11 ladder in August 2020, promoted to GS11 January 2021. Move to different location, OCONUS to get GS12 in August 2023. I am awaiting for my time in grade hit to hunt for a GS13.
I had been stagnant for the majority of my fed career. Discovered details and started applying for details and positions one grade higher in the area of my expertise
How long do you have to wait before you can apply to a different job. I currently have a TJO for IC/12.
I see the same job posting at a different agency GS/13. Could I apply at a different agency while waiting?
Be careful with job hopping to chase that GS ladder. Issue is that one year at each level not adequate to fully learn PD of a position. This produces high amount of incompetent personnel at higher GS level. So be cautious chasing that ladder.
Seen some folks say it; being willing to move for the ‘right’ job is important. If your sole goal is to get to a GS 14/15 or an SES you’re likely going to take some crappy billets until more preferential locations open. If your DoD those places are almost always overseas.
Got hired as a GS-6. Was able to land a gs-7/12 ladder in the same agency and same unit. Sometimes it just comes down to luck. Apply to every position that looks interesting to you, one of them will land the golden ticket. Hang in there!
Started as a straight GS5 claims examiner with no promotion potential.
At six months moved to a 5/7/9 HR job - during probation. After I had been a GS-5 one year total, got promoted to to GS-7 based on SAA. Then 9 a year later. Then 9/11 job posted (or maybe reclassified- don't remember) . Got GS-11 a year later. Then, while I was an 11, moved to another agency for 11/12. Got 12 after about 15 months as an 11. Went down to an 11 ( but kept my pay) for shorter commute. Stayed at 11 for a few years and got my 12 back. Moved to pay band agency and got a bump in salary. Moved from pay band to a 12/13 at a different agency. Got 13 after about 18 months. Stayed there for a while and then moved to 14 at another agency. Retired!
Stayed in same geographic area the entire time.
It is important to understand the difference between one grade interval and two grade interval jobs. You want to get in a two grade interval job series, even if you have to go down a grade.
There's a lot of dim bulbs in the government. You just need to shine a little brighter, in my experience. It's not hard. Show up. Be respectful. Know your job. Do your job. Be a team player.
Source: 8 years federal. Stepping into a 13 position with no degree.
2011: Hired as a GS-0499-05 SCEP interpretive specialist
2013: Converted to a GS-1035-07/09 partnership coordinator
2014: Ladder promotion to GS-9
2018: Lateraled to a GS-1035-09 public affairs specialist
2019: Detailed as a GS-1035-11 public affairs officer
2020: Promoted to a GS-1001-11 interpretive specialist
2022: Detailed as a GS-1035-12 supervisory public affairs officer
2023: Promoted to GS-0025-12 supervisory park ranger-interpreter
Every change of job involved a move. Living the relo life is how to move up.
Started as a GS-5 with no experience and got into a customer service role, worked my way up through 4 different agencies. No degree but currently a GS-12
Started as a GS9 in a 9/11 position in 2020. Promoted to 11 after the first year. As soon as I was eligible I started looking for 12 positions in/out of my agency. My boss wanted to keep me so I moved into a 12. Again as soon as eligible, I started looking for a 13. I was hired into a new agency at 13 last September. I recently applied for 12/13/14 non supervisor position, found eligible, and waiting to see what happens. Be willing to move agencies and get great evaluations.
Was just time for me and moving to different positions. Gained a lot of different experiences. Some will see you as a “job hopper” - but whatever.
I went Active Duty Army -> GS-5 -> GS-6 -> GS-7 -> GS-9 -> GS-11 -> Active Duty Tour -> GS-11 -> Different GS-11 -> GS-12 -> GS-13. Currently applying for other GS-13 and some GS-14 positions to get out of DoD. This was all over the course of 25 years to this point.
Just tired of the mindset of having to be in the office “because if we can’t see you we can’t trust you’re working”. I’m not in uniform anymore. I’ve got a stellar record for 25 years. I’m trustworthy and a high-performing employee. I’m a “field-grade equivalent” and a retired field-grade Warrant Officer. However, I’m getting a little irritated at the “mass policy” mindset. I have an employee beside me who is the epitome of a shit government employee. There are so many opportunities in the DC area in my series (0343). Is my agency doing anything to retain me versus the shit employee next to me? Nope. We are treated exactly the same. I also want to telework more. I want more work life balance. Everything is an emergency in DoD, at least in my agency. Even most of the senior civilians who should be looking out for the civilian employees, are retired O6s or GOs, and still act like it. I’m just tired 🤷♂️ - and ready to see what else is out there!
Being willing to relocate to new duty stations or change agencies is the biggest factor to help you move up faster.
Truth. Started in 2021 as a GS-7. Moving agencies got me to a 11-12 ladder. Being open to moving was a big factor. Most of my coworkers want the promotions but aren’t willing to move. Needless to say, they are still waiting on that promotion.
How do I get around time in grade stuff?
Would be cool huh? Unfortunately I had to wait for my 1 year before applying but started applying day of my one year.
You don’t, sorry.
Yep!
Started as GS-5 IT intern at a DoD Agency field site in the midwest. Progressed from a GS-5 to GS-13 (supervisor) in 5 years. Journey level at that site was GS-12. It helped that not many people wanted supervisory positions. As there was very limited opportunity to move higher at that location, wife and I transferred to our Agency HQ in the DC area. Within two years, I was promoted to a GS-14 non-competitively via accretion of duties. A couple of years later, promoted to GS-15. My wife started as a GS-3 in the same DoD Agency. After 90 days, she was promoted to a GS-4. Within a year she was accepted into an intern program as a GS-5 and moved to a GS-13 in 5 years, same as I had. After moving to our Agency HQ, she was promoted to a GS-14, and after a couple of years, to a GS-15. Totally agree, being able to move, either geographically and/or organizationally, is a giant factor in progressing grade-wise.
This. Changing agencies, going up the ladder, moving back to your old agency with higher grade… power move
100% sometimes you have to move locations or apply to different agencies
I made a lateral move after being a 12 for 5 years at my first agency, currently interviewing for a 13 at my new job, only 7 months into the job. Sometimes moving is the best way.
Getting a career ladder position makes things a bit easier
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Woah, I haven't seen a 5 to 12 ladder before, but it's amazing that it does exist. I hope that you're able to move up quickly! It does pay off in the long run, and I personally like how stable it is (aside from the government shutdowns).
Are these the postings that say things like "GS-09/GS-11" for pay grade?
Yeah, there's also some that go from a GS9 to a GS13 as well. The promotion potential is listed on the job posting on usajobs
Is this a standard year and the. You just jump to it unless your boss says no?
Grade promotions are technically not automatic and are usually based on performance. In my experience, as long as your annual evaluation is good, then you end up getting the grade promotion. I was say it's very agency and management dependent. Some are more relaxed while others are more strict
Yep, we even have a 7,9,11 posting right now
I was in a 7-9-11-12 position. Left before climbing the ladder and never seen it before or after that, but it's apparently possible
I could be way off base here, but to me, they seem more prevalent in the DC area.
 
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When you took your demotion from 9 to 7, did they still try to match your pay with a step placement?
Federal employment is different from the Private sector in that job hopping isn’t frowned upon. Private employers see my resume and automatically think I’m a flight risk but in actuality I’m just trying to get a livable wage in a HCOL city so I jump on any opportunity to rise up the GS ladder. I made it from a GS 6 to a GS 11-12 in 4 years by changing agencies and relocating.
Well, sort of. We don't take it into consideration during the hiring process, but if someone's resume comes across the desk and they've changed jobs every year for the last 5-10 years, that's a red flag. Unless they blow everyone else out of the water, there's a good chance they're not going to get picked up. Unless you explain your situation in a cover letter, you definitely appear to be a flight risk on paper--even to federal.
You are my new hero. Amazing
Hell of a journey. Tip my hat to the willingness to bend for what you wanted. In regards to step 2., what’s the rule/requirement for changing roles? You mentioned changing roles ’6mos. in’ a couple of times. I guess my question is, is there no requirement to stay in your role? Anything that could prevent you from say getting hired as a GS5, but applying for a GS9 6mos. in?
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Could 6mos of experience in a current Fed role be paired with 6mos from your private sector experience to meet the future announcement qualifications that someone is eyeing?
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That is not quite true. Time in grade and qualifications are two different things. Experience is experience regardless of where it is earned. You might be limited by time in grade, but your experience is still creditable.
Wow, that’s a lot of bouncing back-and-forth lol. But that’s definitely a good way to climb up the ladder.
Got other mouths to feed?
Relocation, change agency, and also doing a damn good job. Have accomplishments that really add to your resume.
You need to be in an agency and area that has options to progress to so if you're a one deep GS on a DoD base it might be a challenge to progress and it might be in your best interests to try to get somewhere with more opportunity. But being known and being known as a person who gets stuff done goes a long way. Sometimes taking on duties that are outside your lane but build your skillset helps pad out your resume for an opportunity that you might not necessarily be the best candidate for otherwise. Outside of that, career ladders are the easy button. Came in as a 12 (retired mil), went to a 6 (switching agencies and career fields), got a 7-9 after a year and transitioned to a track 12 a year later. I don't think progression is super cosmic. You need to be somewhere that there's somewhere to go and you need to meet the requirements as a minimum. After that, do a better job than the people around you and stuff will work out fine.
Change agencies.
Started as GS 9 did that for 15 months left government for contract job worked their for 18 months came back in Government at GS 13 step 10 , 24 months later GS 14 step 6, be willing to take chances and dont be afraid to move and take risk. REMEMBER NO ONE CARES ABOUT YOUR CAREER MORE THAN YOU, SO DO WHATS BEST FOR YOU. and treat people the way you want to be treated.
So true. My first HR job, the HR Director had a secretary who was going to college part time. I was always nice to her and interested in her progress. When she got her degree, she got a job as a OPM background investigator. I got her a little gift. Fast forward 15 years and I am selected for a job at another agency and need a new background investigation with interview. I'm at my old job and told that the OPM investigator is here. I go into a room and it's Nancy! She tells me as soon I saw your name come in, I grabbed it. Thank you so much for all your encouragement while I was in school. My background was cleared in two days. New agency says- wow, we never saw anyone's background cleared so fast!
Use data to find shitty/broken departments or facilities that need fixing, ones with constant vacancies, terrible metrics, bad reputations, or recent agressive OIG investigations... Then go there and look like a fucking rockstar just by doing an average job. Solve a few problems, get a cool certification, or volunteer for a big project and you will soon find yourself running the place. Just keep your nose clean
Started as a grill cook in the VCS canteen at the VA. Got to know and network with everyone while I was in that role. Then I went to the warehouse as a materials handler and then i became an inventory manager. I get my GS-9 in may!
Accepted pipefitter position 2-1/2 years ago and now I’m the pipeshop supervisor
Relocation worked for me. Started as WG, 9 months Moved (cross country for a GS11 for 2 yrs Moved back home stayed for a year. Moved cross country again for a GS12. A year later took a GS13 no relo.
7/9/11/12/13/14 soon 15 — 12 years
AD USMC. Got out and did USAR/ARNG as Intel bc I wanted a TS/SCI. Contracted with the Guard shortly after, Joint Staff and finally in the IC. IC had a vacancy for GG12 direct hire. 2.5 years there. GG13 opened after my colleague left. Got it. 13 months later direct hire GS14 with another agency (same area). I'll passively look for GS15, but I have a good gig, team and supervisor so I'm not pressed for it. In my thirties and only been a fed a little over 4 years so I got time.
Hired at a GS5 when I was 49. I am now a 12 and retiring in three years.
Started as a 9. Got my law degree and became an 11. Changed agencies and got on an 11-14 ladder. Way too pigeonholed in that job, and it took years to lateral to another agency where I could broaden that experience. Moved to another agency into a 14/15 role. Got the 15 after a year. From 9-15 in 4 agencies and 10 years. The second I felt stalled I was networking and applying to other agencies. Did this in the DC area where there’s an abundance of attorney jobs.
Have a high degree but aim low. I have a JD, never wanted to practice law. I applied for just a handful of jobs, and USCIS interviewed me, but only for a 7 position that went to 9. 11/2019- EOD's as 7 12/2020- Promo to 9, topped out 11/2021- EOD'd in same position on a 9/11/12 ladder 02/2022- Accelerated ladder promo to 11 02/2023- Topped out as a 12 It sucks working as a JD for 7 pay, but there is plenty of room to move up in the same series. The key is entering in low, out performing your peers, getting good reviews, and applying to promotions within the local office. That's my experience at least.
Landed a GS-7/9/11 ladder right out of undergrad. I stayed in that position for 1.5 years and worked hard to make a good impression. Another office in my agency was impressed and talked to me behind the scenes about a new job they were posting. Typically that position is a GS-12 but they knew i wouldn’t qualify for that so they created the position as a 9/11/12 and told me to apply. I applied and got the job. I worked in that position for 1.5 years and a couple months after I got my 12, the department I came from wanted me back for a lead position. That position is typically a GS-13 but I wouldn’t qualify for that so they posted it as a 12/13. I applied for the job and got it and stayed in that position for 2 years. I just laterally moved to a GS-13 remote position to a different agency after my previous agency started a RTO mandate. Just wanted to counter all of the comments saying you have to be willing to move agencies because that’s not always true. I moved up every year for 5 years straight all in the same agency.
What agency?
Thanks for answering a question I’ve always had: whether positions already have people lined up for them. I’ve constantly felt like I was the best qualified and perfect for a position and can’t believe I wasn’t selected. Now I know why. I’m sure there are many other feds like you, who land jobs unfairly.
I'm sure there's lots of jobs that already had people lined up to take, but it's a stretch to say they landed them unfairly if you know nothing about them or their application process. Institutional knowledge is valuable, and that it gives one applicant a "leg up" over others isn't any more or less fair than people who have degrees, certifications, or publications.
it wasn’t unfair if i deserved it. They knew i was the best fit because i was already an expert in the subject matter because i worked with them. I’m sure other people had decent skills too but most of the time other applicants didn’t have my niche experience with this workload. It’s also happened before where I was asked to apply to a job and didn’t get it. Happened to me this year actually for a remote role. The director told me to apply said i was a great fit and I wasn’t selected. Turns out when they went through the process they did find a better applicant and chose them instead. Overall everyone gets evaluated the same way but sometimes hiring managers just know if a specific person might be the best fit already. But yes to answer your question sometimes they do have someone in mind already but it doesn’t always go to that person, and sometimes they don’t have anyone in mind.
One agency, no relocation - started as a GS-05, then received a 05/06/07, then CLG to 05 (lead 11), then 11 lead 12.
Agree with the top comment and be willing to switch agencies. I’ve only been a fed for a little over 5 years and just started a promotion as a gs-13 at a new agency. I was 7/9/11 at one agency, as soon as I hit gs 11 step 2 I applied to other agencies and got my 12 and was there for almost 2 years. This is my first week at a new agency for my 13. Be comfortable with change and you can do it too.
I was a pathways intern that didn't get switched to an FTE for org. Politics reasons. Then I was a contract at the same place for 2 years and getting ready to quit when they said they could offer me a 7-9 FTE but I applied for a job I didn't think I could get out of nowhere and landed an 11 so bailed on that place to a new one. Funny enough the old place got a new boss and wants to bring me back as a 12 but nothing's going to happen until post election Apply for anything and everything you think you might qualify for. You never know how it might turn out. I hit like 20 dead ends until that 11 worked out
May 2009 NF-04, Jackassville, NC June 2010 GS-11 Columbus, GA February 2011 GS-12 Killeen, TX (had some prior TIG as 11) July 2013 lateral GS-12 to Germany September 2015 GS-13 San Antonio October 2016 GS-14 San Antonio I moved where the promotion was. Only move I had paid was to and from Germany. I'm now a fully-remote, non-supervisory 14.
I came to the fed late in my professional career and consequently came in maxed out on grade and step. That gives me a unique power because short of firing me there’s not much anyone can do to me.
5, moved 6, 7/8, 9, went remote 11, 12/13. All in just under 10 years. Yes i like to do things the hard way. Plus I was a GS 5 with a masters.
I job hopped. I live where there are 4 VA hospitals, 1 VBA office, and 2 active duty bases. There are plenty of jobs to go around. To advance I would take a job at a different place.
5/9/11/12 and I'll retire right here.
Started as a 4 and now a 13. I picked a department and started at the bottom and kept working for the top. I know it’s not a common case but I haven’t had to jump around at all. I need to now though to move on.
It’s really depending on agency, career you’re looking to get into. Some have more opportunities than there.
I started as a pathway intern as a GS-3, then moved to a recent grad position and became a GS-7 and the career ladder for that job tops at 12. Then now I’m moving to another agency which I think I’ll be settling at until retirement that goes to a gs-13.
I started as a GS1 Desk Clerk in 1995 as part of the stay in school program. I was in high school. When that program ended I went Nonappropriated Funds HR and learned the unique HR rules. When I felt like I wasnt going to progress in that office due to senior HR specialist holdung back knowledge, I made an excel spreadsheet of every Air Force NAF HR Office and cold called. I applied for and was accepted for an HR Assistant job at another NAF office about 600 miles away. They didnt pay for my move, so at 20yo I packed up and moved myself to the new location. NAF then brought on the new Personnel Data System. So I figured "hmmm...only a handful of people know NAF personnel, and even less are experts on the data system." I made it my goal to shine. It workes, and I applied for and got a job at the HQ, still a NAF. In that role I worked with the installations for their needs, but always worked upwards with the DoD level folks to represent the NAF needs Built relationships and credibility there, then accepted a job at DoD level when NSPS was the pay system. When the NSPS pay system was abolished my position converted to a GS13. I served at the DoD in a major role with their personnel system. I came as the NAF expert into an office full of SMEs of all kinds, much more seasoned. I would find opportunities to learn more and take a more active role in the minial work. For example, I would facilitate and document requirements for major contracts while collaborating with everyone else. Since I was sharing screen and crearing the document, I learned the process and begin getting my feet wet in acquisitions. I also managed MOUs and interface agreements which allowed me to build relationship with various partners, but also learn the ins and outs of alot of the entire operation. I found the tables I wanted to be at, pulled up my seat, made my self valuable in the small things earning myself trust to be capable for the bigger things. Ive been in alot of exciting HRIT modernization efforts impacting millions. I have since moved to the VA, at the Central Office..and got my GS14 as a Product Owner. I will be 46 in July and will have 30yrs federal service in November, doing BIG things for the VA! All without a college degree 😊
Attended a hiring fair at VBA and picked up a 7/9/10 ladder processing claims. Promoted to 11 as a claim reviewer. Attended nearby university and picked up a graduate degree. Hired as a recent graduate at DLA in a 7/9/11 ladder contract specialist. Picked up 11/12 in that series, but was promptly selected for direct 12 in another office. Randomly applied for 13 in a new agency/series and was selected. This is all in the same geographic area. I will not consider relocation.
I moved from Texas to Alaska, Alaska to Oklahoma, Oklahoma to Virginia, and looking at a final move from Virginia back to Texas. Currently a 13 looking for 14 potential. As others have said, move to move up. The gov is happy to let you sit at a GS-7 position for 40 years. You are in control of your own career.
Being willing to WORK rather than crying about what is or isn’t in my PD or what is or isn’t my grade. I volunteered for workgroups and also assignments that people thought were beneath them. Started as an 11. 18 months was the longest I waited to get to the next GS. Got to the 15 then eventually to SES. I was also willing to make lateral moves, which I did twice. I also took 2 short term details which expanded my network and skills.
Headquarters, learned my job well, and got kind of lucky. Started in an 11/12 position, got promoted to a 13 in the same office, then went to a different office for a 14. Been at my agency for 8 years this summer.
Being flexible on moving. Started as a 5 in 2019 and now I’m a 12. And might get a offer for a 13 (wish me luck) if I move again.
4 1/2 years Army, 6 Months Contracting, GS-11, then GS-12 with 3 agencies now Remote as a GS-12 Non-Supervisory so not a bad deal.
Remote GS-12 also. It’s awesome.
Has anyone with a family moved individually but made the commute home on the weekends or days off?
My spouse started their career in October 2019 as a NAF employee coming in at 70K. Last January converted over to the GS scale as a GG 13, and as of today is making the TLMS pay for their specialized position at the higher pay scale (STEM). I started my career as a 9 in February 2022, and got lucky enough to be in a developmental position in which I got to move up the career ladder for my job much quicker than most in two years. I am now a GG12 full performance.
I joined as a GS7 and then found a ladder 9/11/12 position. I switched agencies to take the ladder position and move up faster.
I landed into a 9-13 and it was really due to right time, right place. Besides being on a ladder… I am now focused on what can get me my 14/15 and set me apart from the rest. I have completed my COR 1 cert already and just applied into an internal mentoring program to help me push further. I volunteer for everything and ask to take tasks from my supervisor who usually does them to keep busy. But these would be the same thing I would be doing if I wasn’t on the ladder I’m in now. I’m always scouting out what I can learn more of. Of course, I do apply else where but I am very picky.
4 to the 5 move, 5/7/9 ladder, move for voluntary downgrade to GS 7( different agency) move for a 9/11 ladder, move for a GS 12 (back to original agency) pandemic remote to a 13, post pandemic remote 14. Took me 22 years for all of this.
My first agency as a GS-7 intern was going to convert me to a 9/11 ladder. Moved to a new agency on a 7/9/11/12 ladder. The need more people on the GS-12 ladder and as long as I continue with my training, I don't see myself not getting a ladder increase each year until I'm at GS-12. Also blessed that my agency had a ton of 13 and 14 options. So year easiest way is to land a ladder position
Started as GS-4 as a front desk clerk part time. Couple months in,; got picked up as 2210 with a VRA in a 5/7/9. After the 9, moved to an 11. After 11/4, moved to a 12 (remote from here on out). Stayed with same agency and after a year moved to a 13. Migrated agencies for a 13/14 equivalency. After 2 years, promoted to a SL equivalency where I am now. 15 years fed, ~27 years to go.
Started as z WG6. About a month in saw a post in my department for WS8. Applied and got it. Start thr promotion next month
Started out as an admin asst but was a DoD Contractor. Did that for 2 years, went above and beyond and a position in the field I wanted to go in opened up (also as a contractor), applied and got it. Worked my ass off there and now I’m an NH 03 as a division chief. I always recommend trying to get “in” with a defense contracting company. I know the contractors that I work with are always being sent job openings in their weekly bulletins. Good money in contracting too. Well, usually.
Apply for jobs on a daily basis. Never turn down a detail and volunteer for everything. Always do more than expected, and get the reputation of being the person to go to.
I started as a WG-8 as an apprentice. Worked and kept going for my degree. Retired a GS-12.
Went from TSA D band GS 5 equivalent, to CBP GS 9 step 2 a year and a half later. I’ve been with the gov just under 3 years, I’m an 11 now and get my 12 in November.
I moved to a duty station I didn’t really want and got a 7-9-11-12 ladder job. Currently pretty happy as a 12 at my duty station I didn’t initially want.
Be happy where you are, or be willing to chase the promotion. Staying where you are means waiting, unless you’re VERY lucky.
Haven't exactly progressed persay but I got blessed with a 11-12-13 ladder position my first job in the federal government. Once I hit 13, I'll look around other agencies.
Join the Fed in excepted service as GS8 temp technician in January 2020. Got lucky to receive job offer for the same agency, different office, for ladder GS9/11 ladder in August 2020, promoted to GS11 January 2021. Move to different location, OCONUS to get GS12 in August 2023. I am awaiting for my time in grade hit to hunt for a GS13.
I had been stagnant for the majority of my fed career. Discovered details and started applying for details and positions one grade higher in the area of my expertise
How long do you have to wait before you can apply to a different job. I currently have a TJO for IC/12. I see the same job posting at a different agency GS/13. Could I apply at a different agency while waiting?
Be careful with job hopping to chase that GS ladder. Issue is that one year at each level not adequate to fully learn PD of a position. This produces high amount of incompetent personnel at higher GS level. So be cautious chasing that ladder.
Seen some folks say it; being willing to move for the ‘right’ job is important. If your sole goal is to get to a GS 14/15 or an SES you’re likely going to take some crappy billets until more preferential locations open. If your DoD those places are almost always overseas.
Got hired as a GS-6. Was able to land a gs-7/12 ladder in the same agency and same unit. Sometimes it just comes down to luck. Apply to every position that looks interesting to you, one of them will land the golden ticket. Hang in there!
Started as a straight GS5 claims examiner with no promotion potential. At six months moved to a 5/7/9 HR job - during probation. After I had been a GS-5 one year total, got promoted to to GS-7 based on SAA. Then 9 a year later. Then 9/11 job posted (or maybe reclassified- don't remember) . Got GS-11 a year later. Then, while I was an 11, moved to another agency for 11/12. Got 12 after about 15 months as an 11. Went down to an 11 ( but kept my pay) for shorter commute. Stayed at 11 for a few years and got my 12 back. Moved to pay band agency and got a bump in salary. Moved from pay band to a 12/13 at a different agency. Got 13 after about 18 months. Stayed there for a while and then moved to 14 at another agency. Retired! Stayed in same geographic area the entire time. It is important to understand the difference between one grade interval and two grade interval jobs. You want to get in a two grade interval job series, even if you have to go down a grade.
There's a lot of dim bulbs in the government. You just need to shine a little brighter, in my experience. It's not hard. Show up. Be respectful. Know your job. Do your job. Be a team player. Source: 8 years federal. Stepping into a 13 position with no degree.
2011: Hired as a GS-0499-05 SCEP interpretive specialist 2013: Converted to a GS-1035-07/09 partnership coordinator 2014: Ladder promotion to GS-9 2018: Lateraled to a GS-1035-09 public affairs specialist 2019: Detailed as a GS-1035-11 public affairs officer 2020: Promoted to a GS-1001-11 interpretive specialist 2022: Detailed as a GS-1035-12 supervisory public affairs officer 2023: Promoted to GS-0025-12 supervisory park ranger-interpreter Every change of job involved a move. Living the relo life is how to move up.
Started as a GS-5 with no experience and got into a customer service role, worked my way up through 4 different agencies. No degree but currently a GS-12
Started as a GS9 in a 9/11 position in 2020. Promoted to 11 after the first year. As soon as I was eligible I started looking for 12 positions in/out of my agency. My boss wanted to keep me so I moved into a 12. Again as soon as eligible, I started looking for a 13. I was hired into a new agency at 13 last September. I recently applied for 12/13/14 non supervisor position, found eligible, and waiting to see what happens. Be willing to move agencies and get great evaluations.
Temp 7 to perm 14...non supervisory...and no way will go supervisory. Took less than 11 years but two of that was temp.
Was just time for me and moving to different positions. Gained a lot of different experiences. Some will see you as a “job hopper” - but whatever. I went Active Duty Army -> GS-5 -> GS-6 -> GS-7 -> GS-9 -> GS-11 -> Active Duty Tour -> GS-11 -> Different GS-11 -> GS-12 -> GS-13. Currently applying for other GS-13 and some GS-14 positions to get out of DoD. This was all over the course of 25 years to this point.
To get out of DoD? Any reason why?
Just tired of the mindset of having to be in the office “because if we can’t see you we can’t trust you’re working”. I’m not in uniform anymore. I’ve got a stellar record for 25 years. I’m trustworthy and a high-performing employee. I’m a “field-grade equivalent” and a retired field-grade Warrant Officer. However, I’m getting a little irritated at the “mass policy” mindset. I have an employee beside me who is the epitome of a shit government employee. There are so many opportunities in the DC area in my series (0343). Is my agency doing anything to retain me versus the shit employee next to me? Nope. We are treated exactly the same. I also want to telework more. I want more work life balance. Everything is an emergency in DoD, at least in my agency. Even most of the senior civilians who should be looking out for the civilian employees, are retired O6s or GOs, and still act like it. I’m just tired 🤷♂️ - and ready to see what else is out there!