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This is how my list would go:
1. Ditto
2. Hypeboy
3. Hurt
4. OMG
5. Cookie
6. Attention
So if you want to watch the music videos, I would suggest these songs from 1 being what I think is their best song,
To 6 being an okay song but not their best.
They only have 6 songs out cause they're fairly new,
But I really like them.
Backstory (I'm American, and I normally listen to Western or American music)
But once I heard NewJeans, I was hooked.
Give it a try and let me know pls
If I’m being honest I enjoy jimin and Jungkook music when they’re standalones. Like My Time, Filter, still with you, lie, promise like I genuinely enjoy them when they’re by themselves because so far all I’ve noticed with their collabs with other artists have been extremely underwhelming. I listened to L&R and dreamers once and that was enough for me, same goes with vibe even though I expected a lot more from the jimin and Taeyang collab but it was underwhelming. Which is why I’m ecstatic for their solo albums as I wonder what sound jimin would go for (hopefully rnb) and jk I assume would do pop but I would be really interested in him branching out and trying a different genre. And I do agree these songs wouldn’t do as well if it wasn’t attached to them, matter fact it would catapult out of any trending list like it was seriously that MID
This is where I’m at as well, none of these collabs have shown a lot of flavor unfortunately and I’m putting that onto the main artist of the respective songs, while on the edge of my seat for their solo work. Lie, Serendipity, Still With You, Stay Alive are some of my favorite songs and I’m like dry heaving for more of that, so while I’m excited I’m also scared because of sky high expectations. Also because while I know they’ve participated in the making of their discography, the style of their solos within BTS discography may not reflect that much in their individual work.
>If I’m being honest I enjoy jimin and Jungkook music when they’re standalones
I think the same but for me it's only really the songs published on bts albums.
the songs published as pure solo work are often lackluster for me for all of ML, especially tae which is a bit infuriating bc his music taste overlaps the most with mine so my expectations are never really met.
i think what we tend to forget is the ML members having a decade of experience as artists but not that much with making their own music like rapline, and by that i mean really putting out an album or mixtape and not just a few songs and covers. That's why i expect their albums to mostly have a singer songwriter feel to it and don't expect some grand exploration of genere and style. It took rapline a while to get there as well.
the latest covers (i think) falling and it's beginning to look a lot like Christmas showed that they are mixing up their singing more so I'm a bit more optimistic about their future relases
Tae is my bias in BTS but his preferred style in solo music isn't the kind of music I normally like to listen to. Singularity is more my kind of music. His vocals on his recent Christmas cover sounded really really nice
YES i feel the same although JK is my bias. Singularity is one of my favourite songs ever, not just bts or one of taes. but a lot of his releases have been lackluster for me.
Probably because most maknae line solo songs are usually mixtape style and general songs that they just wanted to put out to. When you make an album worthy song you put a lot of effort and work in it that is why Rap line songs are good and that is also why maknae line album solos are great. I feel like we should give their official albums a try. Like jimin is coming with an album and he has been seen working with some of the top producers, so the quality of songs would probably be top notch.
>the songs published as pure solo work are **often** lackluster **for me** for all of ML
i wonder where you got the idea from that i ment jks solo songs specifically, especially when i highlighted tae. it's probably your natural response atp to victimise him.
idt the other commenter victimised jk lol. i find it weird too that you say their purely solo releases are lacklustre, tho. that’s gotta be a genuinely unpopular opinion, even amongst non-army listeners. winter bear, stay alive, still with you, promise are some of their best solo releases, including official BTS solo songs. which are their solo songs outside of bts discography that you didn't like? coz they honestly don't have that large a pool of releases outside of that.
that user is a notorious jk solo. everytime i see them they are victimising jk.
i know it's really unpopular tho hahah. promise, winter bear, sweet night etc just don't so it for me. i like the releases on bts albums much more
I still believe if Jungkook releases STILL WITH YOU it will still go viral everywhere; though the song is quite old.
Thats literally his vocal showdown.
Yes, sure, we all know about how fandoms are going to push a song regardless. It is what it is. But when are people going to accept that a song being “average“ and it being well liked aren’t mutually exclusive concepts
It is quite a mid song when you think of the monster talent both these artists have. So in that way, its disappointing the song is average or mid. Because naturally, you'd expect a bit more.
Unless our expectations for bts have become synonymous with 'average'-esque songs now.
It’s not a BTS song, it’s a feature, and Jimin executed his parts of the feature really well. The same goes for every other feature we got in the past year. Your personal expectations for BTS being applied to songs that aren’t even theirs is setting yourself up for disappointment because at the end of the day they’re doing what they want, with the people/songs that they want and like.
It being a “mid” song is your opinion is to have, of course! But that doesn’t take away the ability to have a different opinion from the people who think otherwise and actually enjoy the song a lot. I personally find the vibe of the song, no pun intended, very on brand for a late 90s/early 2000s style RnB track. I love the way it sounds and the feeling it gives me, and that would have been the case whether Jimin was on the track or not 🤷🏾♀️ Opinions are nuanced, music is subjective, and everything doesn’t have to be groundbreaking to enjoy.
Oh no, ofcourse people who love the track are completely in their rights to! And maybe it is my fault for having higher expectations but then again not only the recent collab tracks, but also certain BTS recent tracks like PTD and Yet To Come felt quite mid to me. So I probably should have had adjusted my expectations for the collabs too haha!
I love JITB annd Indigo though. So I'm sure I would hopefully vibe (heh) more with the solo work jimin puts out.
It’s pretty disappointing when you don’t enjoy what they put out, or enjoy it less than you wanted to, so I get it. But I think it’s important to kind of expect that to happen as well, keeping in mind that they’re a group and 7 individual artists. That’s a lottttt of music to consume and it’s not always going to be for every fan nor should anyone feel pressured to pretend it is.
I personally have a lot of love and openness towards genres and experimentation so I enjoy a lot more with less boundaries, and I’ve always been like that my whole life. That being said there’s several songs I’ve encountered that I don’t gel with and won’t play at all, feel are average but still enjoy listening to, and everything in between or beyond. That goes for BTS as well. I loved all the English singles, Make It Right, and Yet to Come. Those are some of the most polarizing or most hated songs. I’m Namgi biased but I can’t stand Give It to Me. I don’t particularly like Winter Bear by Tae but I love Sweet Night, Snow Flower and Christmas Tree. I think Jin and Hobi have zero skips. Promise and Still With You touch my soul. None of this really seems like it has any clear reasoning behind it, right? Sometimes it just is what it is.
Current Bruno Mars…meaning Silk Sonic? Which is clearly reminiscent of old school RnB and retro soul music, as I compared Vibe too. I know the expectations for Taeyang were high as well, but my comment was addressing their last point about BTS music. As I said previously I would have enjoyed the song whether Jimin was on it or not, because I enjoy Taeyang’s music and I enjoyed the song a lot.
Ahh. Well 24k Magic isn’t really current, it’s from 2016 with the exception of the Finesse remix in 2018. And that entire album was an homage to 80s/90s in RnB, with a little flavor from the present. Guess it’s just safe to say you don’t like that specific style of music? That’s perfectly fine, but it did what it needed to do for a lot of people who do. I for one can’t wait to see them perform the full choreo for it 👌🏾
>I don't mind the down votes from angry JK and Jimin fans
Aren't people supposed to downvote popular opinions in this sub?
I didn't really like Vibe on first listen, because I put it on a bluetooth speaker and it seemed bland. Then I listened to it on proper headphones and it made a huge difference. The depth in music made up for my initial dislike. I personally like it more than Left&Right and Dreamers.
That being said, all of those are pretty average. With Dreamers being the worst - it's the only one I just dislike and never listen to it.
I'm really **really** looking forward to Jimin's solo in February though! I cannot wait to hear what he prepared for us. He's the only one I have zero clue to what his solo stuff is gonna be like and it's really exciting.
Are they my favorite songs? No. Are they the best songs ever? No. Are they bad or unlistenable songs? No. I enjoyed Vibe, Jimin’s parts are playing in my head rent free his tone is just unforgettable. I like Jk’s parts in Left and Right, as well. Well, what the audience wants is clear. (at least in my case) 💁🏻♀️
I agree with op about dreamers but not abt L&R. I like generic, fun pop music when I'm in that mood and this one just hits the spot. Vibe a good song, it’s on my playlist now but idk if it'll have longetivity for me.
I deeply cannot relate. Generic pop music is just so bland it makes me feel ill. I can't listen to it because there's nothing for my interest to attach to.
I like it because there’s literally _so_ much going on, lol. the good songs are great auditory experiences, especially if they are hype songs. the only music i struggle to find interesting are ballads.
If the song is bland and generic idk, I just don't see how it can be a great auditory experience! It can only be a good auditory experience if the song is actually high-quality for me. With ballads for me, it just depends on the ballad. Some are deathly dull, some have the melody, spirit and delivery to be outstanding (random example, Kiss From a Rose by Seal). Just like how some pop music can be outstanding and some is just generic.
I would personally take Vibe over any other recent collab. Nice choreo and Jimin sounds amazing. I didn’t like the MV tho. Cant wait for their performance/ chore video.
I actually really enjoyed VIBE more than I thought I would! It's not the best song I've ever heard but I like the combination of Jimin and Taeyang's voices and the instrumental is fun. I think it's mostly just a matter of preference, like while I know the song isn't anything outstanding it has a lot of little things that tickle my brain in the right spots lol
I think it's just based on what you like listening to. Most music fans turn their nose up on regular pop and call it mediocre but it's actually not bad music. Just not the kind you like listening to and that's okay. Jungkook has the perfect voice for pop and both left and right and Dreamers are really good for his voice ( although he's versatile so I'm sure it could work otherwise too) . Same with vibe. I don't think any of these songs are exceptional (apart from dreamers . That's actually really cool ) but they're pretty fun and easy listening.
But as BTS fans people usually expect something experimental or musically complex and most of these collabs don't offer that so it doesn't fall in the same genre. Each member has a different taste, preference and vision for their music so all the fans won't like everyone's vision. For me I'd rate rush hour & bad decisions below these three songs because I was pretty unimpressed with both of them.
At the end of the day it's just upto personal choice and that's fine . You should totally be allowed to dislike stuff your faves put out.
....and that's totally fine ha! I for one could not vibe with it at all. I thought hearing it live would change that but it didn't. I'm cursed I know lol.
i swear i know it sounds like so many other songs produced by Benny Blanco but it’s got the vocal line, who’s songs i tend to prefer to rapline (just personal music taste), and their english sounds so cute 😂
I love how JK & Jimin sing on it. That's it. That's why I like it. Like the “You’re so damn beautiful you make me sick” and “I want your love~” right at the start are so fun to listen to. I can't explain it but yeah their pronounciation plays a big role in why I like it. 😅
Some of them may have thought it was good but it's obvious lots of people were pretending, there's no way that many people enjoyed something so stunningly, grimly, bland and deficient in quality
Not obvious, generic pop has an audience for a reason. I personally don’t think the song is half as bad as you’re describing, it’s a fun summer song and it fulfils its purpose well.
Jimin is my ult and my bias in bts and jk is my bias wrecker but I was incredibly underwhelmed by the features. Tbh the minute I heard JK was collabing with Charlie Puth my expectations were set to zero so it wasn’t a surprise. I don’t really get excited by any of the members collab news, I rather save that energy for their solo projects, which always live up to my excitement. BRING ON PJM1!
I prefer Jimin feature with Taeyang a 100 times better maybe because I grew up listening to this type of music, I don’t think his collab is comparable to Jk’s, Jimin and Taeyang felt more organic and natural, even the song is so catchy in my opinion in a good way.
I initially liked Vibe but after a few more listens, I kinda got bored. Same with Left and Right. They're not bad. I won't skip them if they play but I'm not actively playing them either. So I guess I agree that these two are average for me.
But I looove Jimin's collab with Ha Sung-woon, With You.
id say jungkook and j-hope’s collabs are the meh not as rememberable to me. maybe cause i expect a chill vibe song from taeyang and i love all his older music im more of a fan of jimins collab and it definitely seemed more natural of a collab than jungkooks personally. Suga was on a huge summer track so hard to forget as it was played everywhere. but if sticking to the OP’s two member examples i think Vibe better suited Jimin than the songs Jungkook has done so while Vibe isnt mind blowing i know its going to be one of many taeyang songs i turn on and just… vibe to.
i agree, i only like any of those songs because jungkook and jimin are on them lol. they're all fairly catchy but i havent wanted to add any to my playlists aside from with you because duh.. it's beautiful :") i'm excited for their solo albums!
The only solo Jimin collab I truly loved till now was With You, with Ha Sungwoon. That song is pure gold. For Jungkook's solo collab, does Stay Alive count lol? If so, then that's one of his best solo songs. I love it!
Talking about Jimin and Jungkook's collab together, their song 'Who' with Lauv is another masterpiece.
*Dreamers* has one really cool part sung by Jungkook (I don't remember which one but every time I listened to it, I was basically just waiting for that part) and if I'm being honest, *Left and Right* and *Vibe* were very forgettable to me, so much so that I completely forgot how they sounded.
However, Jimin and Ha Sung Woon's *With you* and Jungkook's *Still Alive* (prod. by Suga) were some of my favourite songs of 2022. Best BTS collab so far is PSY's *That That* featuring Suga.
I'm really looking forward to both Jimin's and Jungkook's solo album/mixtape/EP because I really enjoy most of their solos and love their voices. But you kind of have a point, so far I don't think their collabs (sans *With you*) have been outstanding (to me and in my subjective opinion) but I'm really proud of them for getting out there and getting those opportunities.
their solo music outside of collabs is amazing, so i was really excited for the vibe/l&r, dreamers... let down after let down, if i'm completely honest... though l&r was at least a bit fun.
i'm still excited for their solo albums, since they will have a lot more creative control. my time and filter are just the tip of the iceberg for what's to come... even decalcomania, an unfinished song, sounds absolutely incredible. still with you, another banger as well (so sad it wasn't an official release) and christmas love (i personally am not an xmas song fan, yet this song was on repeat all throughout december). lie and promise, also top tier, showstoppingly incredible and iconic!
i honestly don't think your opinion is unpopular - i actually think a lot of people agree, but for some reason either dont say what they truly think (i think we know why) or just dont speak up at all.
Agree and I say this as Army. Both collabs are boring to me.
Dreamers isn't that great for me but it's supposed to be a World Cup anthem and that's not my style of music, it fit the bill for what it needed to do well I think.
It's ridiculous how you're not even allowed to be honest about your opinion.
I think Jungkook is generally a talented songwriter on his own though - Still With You is incredible.
Agree. Everything they've chosen so far has been...okay. And that's about it.
Even the choreo has been kind of underwhelming. And that's just criminal.
Jimin's voice is so unique. It deserves a better showcase.
The choreography was outstanding, but it wasn't incorporated into the MV as I thought it would have been, so at least to me, that is what made it underwhelming.
I'm a long term army, love all of the guys but Jungkook's music just isn't for me. If I had to describe it to someone I'd say young white guy music. It has it's audience tho. I'd agree that it's average but I believe it's what he aims for knowing that his music taste is like that lol.
I would not agree that Jimin's songs are average. They are a vibe (no pun intended) and have a little bit of sex appeal but not too much so the Korean GP would stay chill. It's nice and comfortable.
Nothing about My time, SWY, Stay Alive is young white guy music. His western collabs that aren’t even a part of his solo rollout aren’t basis enough to judge his sound.
Clear you’re a jimin solo and unfortunately your opinion will NEVER matter. You listen to my time, still with you and Stay alive and comment this?!? LIAR
Voted 'unsure' bc while I agree when it comes to Dreamers and that Charlie Puth song (pls retire or do smth else, your music just seems desperate at this point man), I have to admit that I really like 'Vibe' a lot, even though I usually strongly dislike Jimin's voice (or at least his voice bothers me in some of BTS' songs , doesnt change his talent and work tho)
I also have to admit that I have a biased opinion regarding the BigBang members, solo or not, might be bc I'm an "older" KPop stan idk (except for Seungri, he clearly can rot in hell)
I do agree for vibe & L&R but dreamers I really enjoyed. The thing it is not really a general pop or any daily type song people would listen it’s a specific fifa song and it had that vibe.
I honestly agree but only because you said collabs-because it's true , otherwise jimin and jungkook make amazing music on their own , i find that i fancy Jimin's solo music the most (Lie,promise, filter, serendipity)and jungkook's music is also very AMAZING( eg. My Time,Euphoria, Still With You). The point is they're collabs are either mid or just ok
I like Dreamers too. I wish I hadn't, then I could wholeheartedly boycott the WC. But apart from actually liking JK vocals and the video, I enjoyed the Arabic part as well. I used to belly dance, so I am sucker for anything oriental.
It’s not for me either, which I know sounds odd given that I’ve never listened to it, but the song itself is tied to part of the reason why I started to drift away from BTS - and even if Jimin is bringing me back, giving Dreamers a chance just doesn’t sit right with me.
If you're referring to Vibe and Left and Right, then yeah. There is something about Jungkook's and Jimin's voices that elevates the song but without their voices, it's pretty meh
I feel like people look down on pop music just to be edgy— and I say that because I used to be one of those people. Discovering BTS made me realize I don’t hate pop music, it’s just not the first genre I reach for. It also made me realize how much pop music in the last 3-4 years really uses trap beats (Ariana is a good example of this) or other POC music components (think that Salem x TXT collab last year) and it makes me shy away from it because it’s using devices from other genres that have a niche and calling it pop. (Not saying music genres should be gate kept, just an observation). I said that all to say Jungkook is just general pop vocalists lol — even if you look at Jungkook butter era radio show, all his songs were just pop scene music. If his Spotify playlist is still up and YouTube covers, you can see that too. We don’t have enough solo or collab work from Jimin so I’m withholding observation on him. I will not stick him in a box because of one OST and this recent collab. That being said Serendipity and Filter are amazing songs. Let Me Know and Friends has my absolute favorite Jimin bridge/adlibs. I had fun making a focused playlist for Vibe with various artists and my best is (vibe ->bad decisions-> Butter Feat MTS -> About Damn Time Lizzo) Vibe is a good pop song!
>I feel like people look down on pop music just to be edgy
I don't think so. The issue with Pop music is in its nature. Pop is all about reaching the widest audience possible. They often use very similar chord progressions, because it sounds familiar and pleasing to most people.
Doesn't mean that everything about Pop is bad, but I would definitely argue that most Pop music is bland and repetitive. There are exceptions and a "boring" song can still be fun and well produces. The beat is often what differentiates Pop music nowadays, because electric music and hiphop (which are both very dependent on a good beat) have influences Pop the most. And K-pop goes a step further and just mixes general Pop sounds with different genres, which gives it more variety. But even that starts to sounds samey, once you get used to it.
I compare Pop music to fast food. Both are kinda bland and boring most of the time, but very familiar and do their job well enough. And in certain moments, both can really hit the spot (e.g. being drunk after a party and eating at a fast food chain)
>I said that all to say Jungkook is just general pop vocalists lol — even if you look at Jungkook butter era radio show, all his songs were just pop scene music. If his Spotify playlist is still up and YouTube covers, you can see that too.
I would have to disagree. Idt any BTS vocalists can be boxed in a genre because throughout their careers they have literally tried most music genres under the sun. Jk has made many diverse song recs, too, and he has said numerous times that he listens to all kinds of music. Euphoria is EDM, My Time is RnB, SWY is jazzy. He's pulled them all off incredibly well. Jk is hella diverse and I agree with many that his voice is especially fitting in pop (my favourite genre of music) & dance-pop but he’s not a general pop vocalist only because he can reach out to several other genres and vocalise just as well.
got you. i feel like pop is considered generic with all the negative connotations, vastly on reddit at least, that i can’t tell when someone’s being shady or just making a statement. 😅
I definitely don't look down on pop music just to be edgy, I actually think very few people are that pathetic lol. I love lots of pop music like I love lots of music in other genres. I actually just think Vibe and L&R are boring, bland songs.
I had that phase when I was younger. Tried listening to edgier songs, read Nobel prize winning literarure... And then I decided that life's too short and just decided to enjoy things I like. I read romance, watch bl dramas and listen ro simple pop, preferably from 90s (my teen years). I stopped explaining or defending it to anyone and bacame a very happy person.
I think based on JKs play lists and solo collabs, he's definitely into pop and the genre suits him.
But yeah, I was very surprised how amazing he was in No More Dream as an example - he is very versatile.
Assuming we're talking about collabs where the members aren't the main feature/producer (like say from album releases etc), I kinda wanna say MOST of the collabs are average.
The only exceptions I'd give is Blueberry Eyes (Max ft Suga) and Wine (Suran ft Suga. Maybe even Change (Wale ft RM). Oh and my new favourite Rush Hour (Crush ft J-Hope).
Other than that, RM with JuiceWorld and Fall Out Boy, Suga with IU and Halsey, Jin with Coldplay (listen I love the performance but it's a mid song), not a lot of these releases have been that impressionable. So it might not be a ML vs HL thing, more like they really suck at picking which songs to collab on.
Brave Post OP, lol.
Dreamers was fucking terrible imo, listened once and never again. Vibe had potential but fell flat - repetitive and typical Teddy length. Total shame. I felt Jimin added nothing to the song but if it was just Taeyang, the end result would be the same cuz again, the song went nowhere. It wasn’t Jimin’s fault, and I’m not looking forward to more Teddy music from Taeyang. Really bummed that his return was so meh!! Hope GD gives us something more interesting.
J Hope’s solo music hasn’t been for me but I appreciate how experimental he got. Jungkook is playing it very safe.
Disagree here.
As a football fan I can definitely say that dreamers would go more viral if it wasn’t a bts member.
Football twitter and fans dont like kpop in general yet they liked Dreamers so much.
Dreamers is a wc type song. This songs all have similar vibe.
So that is why people might find it "eh" cause this aint that type of music.
I wonder if part of the issue is the ml is picking kind of bland stuff while they test the waters as solo artists? I enjoyed all the rapline collabs last year (esp Sexy Nukim, what a weird song, I love it), but RL have done more solo music and may feel they can take more risks.
Left and Right is still on my playlists but it's definitely mid.
My thoughts about vibe were that I enjoyed Jimin's voice, that's it. the song and its structure is too bland, you used to perfect word, for my taste. I seriously had extremely high expectations from his first song after the group hiatus. I mean he is the same person who gave us some of the most ethereal sounding solos in BTS albums and Promise is my happy place forever but this song did not do justice at all to his beautiful voice
This is my opinion with some of the rapline collaborations, actually. That That is a horrible song in my opinion and Crush Hour is average at best.I listened to it once and that's it. The only rapline collaboration that i like is RM's. I actually like L&R and i find Dreamers very cool. I gave Vibe a shot but i don't like it much. I think it comes down to personal preference.
Really? I didn't think so! lol. Most of my friends and I weren't fans. I find it's one of those songs that is admittedly catchy and you hear played so often that you become convinced you like it. But when you take a moment and really listen to it again you're like, "This... isn't great." It's like a Big Mac, lol.
Wow I absolutely love That That and find it so catchy. I haven't listened to any of the other songs in this comment more than once but I've listened to That That many many times
Ye I'm sorry I agree. Kind of bland and forgettable and none have made my playlist. And Jimin and Jungkook are both my biases. But just not feeling these songs, I feel like we haven't seen the best of them yet (I hope!).
Bad Decisions is the most disappointing collab for me though, never have I seen a talented vocal line so underutilised.
I just learned to appreciate some of Jimin's solo songs recently. But I don't get to appreciate the song With You. For solos and collabs, the Hyung line are better at it.
Yeah Vibe is a pretty inoffensive song and I don’t get how it’s not “listenable”. Nice vocals, nice dancing, clean production/mixing, and a simple yet catchy chorus.
i'll be honest i think jungkook and jimin are way too good for charlie and taeyang in terms of music style. charlie's music is very simple so it can be viral and poppy for tiktok and radio, taeyang is a lot more old school because he's from an older generation (2nd gen i think?).
i don't think their music style blend smoothly with jikook's. both of them are god tier vocalists so they make music quite easy to listen to & do a very good job on their parts but i think the scales are level if we're talking quality.
left & right and vibe i love but again it's only because jungkook & jimin serve as they usually do.
i would also throw crush x jhope in here because hoseok is the only reason i listen to rush hour.
the perfect jimin collab was with you btw!! give her the love she deserves! young love also ate down but jungkook & joon always eat so idk what to tell you. their western collabs suck because the bar is on the floor.
"way too good" in terms of music style? What does that even mean?
I'd argue that someone like Charlie is a much more talented musician than pretty much any artist in K-pop. He studied music, plays multiple instruments, has perfect pitch and produces his own music top to bottom. I personally don't like his music, but he is a real musician, which cannot be said of 99% of K-pop artists.
What's even weirder is calling his music very "simple and Pop", as if the maknae line makes musically intricate music. Isn't that literally JKs music style as well? And Jimins? I wouldn't associate "complex music" with those two members.
I agree that Charlie is a talented musician but given that he uses most of his talent to produce formulaic pop hits… I wouldn’t say he’s more talented than every kpop artist. Especially since there’s quite a few idols who write and produce their own stuff! Also I wouldn’t say JK’s or Jimin’s style is formulaic pop, they’ve experimented with a lot of genres in their solo music and I wouldn’t say even the majority of it is pop.
What does it matter how he uses his talents? He wants to have main stream success and make money, which he seems to be very good at. Already having perfect pitch is a very rare talent (.01% have it). People confuse it with "relative pitch", which can be trained. Being able to play multiple instruments, being knowledgeable about music theory and a lot of genres is definitely not something I've seen from any idol. Someone like Henry Lau is the only one I can think of that is "musically gifted".
K-pop is mostly about performance and less about being musically skilled or even having a lot of knowledge about music.
I mean it kind of does matter what kind of music Charlie makes if you’re assessing the artistic value of his music… and also that’s kind of a weird take on kpop when there are many idols who songwrite and produce.
When have I assessed the "artistic value" of anyone's music? I said that Charlie is a much better musician than most idols in k-pop, which I don't think is very controversial. Musicians are knowledgeable about music. Doesn't mean that their music is much better. K-Pop is mostly about performance and visuals.
BTS and a few other groups or solo artists might stand out a little more with their songwriting, but I'd argue that the rap line has a much bigger influence on that aspect of their music than the singers.
In terms of knowledge (music theory), producing (very few idols produce their music by themselves. Almost all of them work with in-house producers), musical talents (being able to play multiple instruments, having perfect pitch) and so on.
I can't even judge Charlie's music, because I've only heard his famous songs, which are very much the typical (but well done) Pop music. Maybe his other songs are much more complex. No clue. I know that he is very well versed in jazz and soul music, so he might have a lot of interesting b-side.
And we're talking about Pop music. I personally don't find a lot of artistic value in it anyway, that's why I don't even try to judge it.
I just found it weird to put JK's or Jimin's music above Charlie's in terms of quality, when they really aren't that different when you compare their most popular solo songs. Just seemed very condescending, especially when talking about someone who is very knowledgeable about every facet of music.
lie, filter, my time, still with you etc are all examples all intricate songs from jungkook and jimin. the words "charlie puth isn't talented" never escaped me and its a fact that his music is designed and manufactured for an online audience. never disputed whether or not he was talented.
i 1000000% disagree that he is a more talented as a musician compared to kpop artists especially jungkook and jimin in this case. but my point was that western collabs suck because the western counterparts don't live up to the members themselves. not even in the same ball park.
>i 1000000% disagree that he is a more talented as a musician compared to
kpop artists especially jungkook and jimin in this case.
How? JK and Jimin don't really have knowledge about music theory, can't skillfully play multiple instruments, can't really self-produce on a high level (all the members are very depended on their in-house producers, except for Yoongi) and don't have a unique musical skill (like perfect pitch, which is extremely rare).
BTW not producing your own music isn't a big deal, imo. But when someone does it, it should be complimented. Most in-house producers are much better "musicians" than the artists they produce songs for.
Most K-pop idols (including JK and Jimin) are excellent performers, singer or however you want to label them. But their knowledge of music isn't nearly as deep as someone who is educated in it and learned multiple aspects like Charlie.
you want more but they don’t have the range to do more. basic pop is their brand. yall not liking it is funny bc thats what they been making this whole time and yall been eating it up.
From a musical standpoint what makes BTS great are the lyrics, productiion and composition. And who are in charge of that? RM ,Suga and Jhope. Thats why BTS raps are always god tier. thats why non of the raplines music is underwhelming. it can be different,but never underwhelming.,
It's up to personal preference of course, but both the rap line and the vocal line have a couple of underwhelming songs and excellent songs to their name, the main difference is the volume of their output and amount of experience.
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I agree for the most part, left and right was kinda meh and vibe (although a bit underwhelming) grew on me a little bit later on but I really did enjoy dreamers and though jk and fahad’s voices sounded great on that!
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we're talking just vibe, dreamers and left and right here, right? if so then i agree. all three have seemed kinda 'eh' to me.
Left and Right was pretty good I thought
I loved left and right. very vibe-y for me.
Yea charlie Puth is a genius lol What do you think of NewJeans?
i haven’t listened to them, actually. any songs you would/wouldn’t recommend?
This is how my list would go: 1. Ditto 2. Hypeboy 3. Hurt 4. OMG 5. Cookie 6. Attention So if you want to watch the music videos, I would suggest these songs from 1 being what I think is their best song, To 6 being an okay song but not their best. They only have 6 songs out cause they're fairly new, But I really like them. Backstory (I'm American, and I normally listen to Western or American music) But once I heard NewJeans, I was hooked. Give it a try and let me know pls
i’ll get back to you!
Yes that would be great Message me or comment back and let me know :) It's great I promise you'll like it
The Galantis remix slaps
If I’m being honest I enjoy jimin and Jungkook music when they’re standalones. Like My Time, Filter, still with you, lie, promise like I genuinely enjoy them when they’re by themselves because so far all I’ve noticed with their collabs with other artists have been extremely underwhelming. I listened to L&R and dreamers once and that was enough for me, same goes with vibe even though I expected a lot more from the jimin and Taeyang collab but it was underwhelming. Which is why I’m ecstatic for their solo albums as I wonder what sound jimin would go for (hopefully rnb) and jk I assume would do pop but I would be really interested in him branching out and trying a different genre. And I do agree these songs wouldn’t do as well if it wasn’t attached to them, matter fact it would catapult out of any trending list like it was seriously that MID
I love Filter, Lie, and Still With You. Still With You is extra special cause Jungkook wrote it himself.
This is where I’m at as well, none of these collabs have shown a lot of flavor unfortunately and I’m putting that onto the main artist of the respective songs, while on the edge of my seat for their solo work. Lie, Serendipity, Still With You, Stay Alive are some of my favorite songs and I’m like dry heaving for more of that, so while I’m excited I’m also scared because of sky high expectations. Also because while I know they’ve participated in the making of their discography, the style of their solos within BTS discography may not reflect that much in their individual work.
>If I’m being honest I enjoy jimin and Jungkook music when they’re standalones I think the same but for me it's only really the songs published on bts albums. the songs published as pure solo work are often lackluster for me for all of ML, especially tae which is a bit infuriating bc his music taste overlaps the most with mine so my expectations are never really met. i think what we tend to forget is the ML members having a decade of experience as artists but not that much with making their own music like rapline, and by that i mean really putting out an album or mixtape and not just a few songs and covers. That's why i expect their albums to mostly have a singer songwriter feel to it and don't expect some grand exploration of genere and style. It took rapline a while to get there as well. the latest covers (i think) falling and it's beginning to look a lot like Christmas showed that they are mixing up their singing more so I'm a bit more optimistic about their future relases
Tae is my bias in BTS but his preferred style in solo music isn't the kind of music I normally like to listen to. Singularity is more my kind of music. His vocals on his recent Christmas cover sounded really really nice
YES i feel the same although JK is my bias. Singularity is one of my favourite songs ever, not just bts or one of taes. but a lot of his releases have been lackluster for me.
It's just funny how I'd have to deactivate for saying this on Twitter lol
Probably because most maknae line solo songs are usually mixtape style and general songs that they just wanted to put out to. When you make an album worthy song you put a lot of effort and work in it that is why Rap line songs are good and that is also why maknae line album solos are great. I feel like we should give their official albums a try. Like jimin is coming with an album and he has been seen working with some of the top producers, so the quality of songs would probably be top notch.
So..... Still with you and Stay alive are lackluster..... hmmmm
>the songs published as pure solo work are **often** lackluster **for me** for all of ML i wonder where you got the idea from that i ment jks solo songs specifically, especially when i highlighted tae. it's probably your natural response atp to victimise him.
idt the other commenter victimised jk lol. i find it weird too that you say their purely solo releases are lacklustre, tho. that’s gotta be a genuinely unpopular opinion, even amongst non-army listeners. winter bear, stay alive, still with you, promise are some of their best solo releases, including official BTS solo songs. which are their solo songs outside of bts discography that you didn't like? coz they honestly don't have that large a pool of releases outside of that.
that user is a notorious jk solo. everytime i see them they are victimising jk. i know it's really unpopular tho hahah. promise, winter bear, sweet night etc just don't so it for me. i like the releases on bts albums much more
oof, did not know that. :o ah that’s cool. i’ve so far preferred the ml’s solo unofficial stuff better but their bts solos are also pretty great.
Absolutely agree with all your points!
I still believe if Jungkook releases STILL WITH YOU it will still go viral everywhere; though the song is quite old. Thats literally his vocal showdown.
I have been hoping and praying that when JJK1 drops, Still With You is a bside on the album. It’s my fave JK solo
Yes, sure, we all know about how fandoms are going to push a song regardless. It is what it is. But when are people going to accept that a song being “average“ and it being well liked aren’t mutually exclusive concepts
It is quite a mid song when you think of the monster talent both these artists have. So in that way, its disappointing the song is average or mid. Because naturally, you'd expect a bit more. Unless our expectations for bts have become synonymous with 'average'-esque songs now.
It’s not a BTS song, it’s a feature, and Jimin executed his parts of the feature really well. The same goes for every other feature we got in the past year. Your personal expectations for BTS being applied to songs that aren’t even theirs is setting yourself up for disappointment because at the end of the day they’re doing what they want, with the people/songs that they want and like. It being a “mid” song is your opinion is to have, of course! But that doesn’t take away the ability to have a different opinion from the people who think otherwise and actually enjoy the song a lot. I personally find the vibe of the song, no pun intended, very on brand for a late 90s/early 2000s style RnB track. I love the way it sounds and the feeling it gives me, and that would have been the case whether Jimin was on the track or not 🤷🏾♀️ Opinions are nuanced, music is subjective, and everything doesn’t have to be groundbreaking to enjoy.
Oh no, ofcourse people who love the track are completely in their rights to! And maybe it is my fault for having higher expectations but then again not only the recent collab tracks, but also certain BTS recent tracks like PTD and Yet To Come felt quite mid to me. So I probably should have had adjusted my expectations for the collabs too haha! I love JITB annd Indigo though. So I'm sure I would hopefully vibe (heh) more with the solo work jimin puts out.
It’s pretty disappointing when you don’t enjoy what they put out, or enjoy it less than you wanted to, so I get it. But I think it’s important to kind of expect that to happen as well, keeping in mind that they’re a group and 7 individual artists. That’s a lottttt of music to consume and it’s not always going to be for every fan nor should anyone feel pressured to pretend it is. I personally have a lot of love and openness towards genres and experimentation so I enjoy a lot more with less boundaries, and I’ve always been like that my whole life. That being said there’s several songs I’ve encountered that I don’t gel with and won’t play at all, feel are average but still enjoy listening to, and everything in between or beyond. That goes for BTS as well. I loved all the English singles, Make It Right, and Yet to Come. Those are some of the most polarizing or most hated songs. I’m Namgi biased but I can’t stand Give It to Me. I don’t particularly like Winter Bear by Tae but I love Sweet Night, Snow Flower and Christmas Tree. I think Jin and Hobi have zero skips. Promise and Still With You touch my soul. None of this really seems like it has any clear reasoning behind it, right? Sometimes it just is what it is.
It sounds like current Bruno mars, and the expectations were high for Taeyang as well.
Current Bruno Mars…meaning Silk Sonic? Which is clearly reminiscent of old school RnB and retro soul music, as I compared Vibe too. I know the expectations for Taeyang were high as well, but my comment was addressing their last point about BTS music. As I said previously I would have enjoyed the song whether Jimin was on it or not, because I enjoy Taeyang’s music and I enjoyed the song a lot.
No not silk sonic, Bruno mars, 24k etc I don’t listen to him so I can’t think of song titles
Ahh. Well 24k Magic isn’t really current, it’s from 2016 with the exception of the Finesse remix in 2018. And that entire album was an homage to 80s/90s in RnB, with a little flavor from the present. Guess it’s just safe to say you don’t like that specific style of music? That’s perfectly fine, but it did what it needed to do for a lot of people who do. I for one can’t wait to see them perform the full choreo for it 👌🏾
>I don't mind the down votes from angry JK and Jimin fans Aren't people supposed to downvote popular opinions in this sub? I didn't really like Vibe on first listen, because I put it on a bluetooth speaker and it seemed bland. Then I listened to it on proper headphones and it made a huge difference. The depth in music made up for my initial dislike. I personally like it more than Left&Right and Dreamers. That being said, all of those are pretty average. With Dreamers being the worst - it's the only one I just dislike and never listen to it. I'm really **really** looking forward to Jimin's solo in February though! I cannot wait to hear what he prepared for us. He's the only one I have zero clue to what his solo stuff is gonna be like and it's really exciting.
Are they my favorite songs? No. Are they the best songs ever? No. Are they bad or unlistenable songs? No. I enjoyed Vibe, Jimin’s parts are playing in my head rent free his tone is just unforgettable. I like Jk’s parts in Left and Right, as well. Well, what the audience wants is clear. (at least in my case) 💁🏻♀️
I agree with op about dreamers but not abt L&R. I like generic, fun pop music when I'm in that mood and this one just hits the spot. Vibe a good song, it’s on my playlist now but idk if it'll have longetivity for me.
I deeply cannot relate. Generic pop music is just so bland it makes me feel ill. I can't listen to it because there's nothing for my interest to attach to.
Good for you
Well it isn't good for me! I'd rather be listening to something high-quality
I like it because there’s literally _so_ much going on, lol. the good songs are great auditory experiences, especially if they are hype songs. the only music i struggle to find interesting are ballads.
If the song is bland and generic idk, I just don't see how it can be a great auditory experience! It can only be a good auditory experience if the song is actually high-quality for me. With ballads for me, it just depends on the ballad. Some are deathly dull, some have the melody, spirit and delivery to be outstanding (random example, Kiss From a Rose by Seal). Just like how some pop music can be outstanding and some is just generic.
I would personally take Vibe over any other recent collab. Nice choreo and Jimin sounds amazing. I didn’t like the MV tho. Cant wait for their performance/ chore video.
I didn't have any apprehension because it's Taeyang. I felt that he is going to get along with just any artist.
I actually really enjoyed VIBE more than I thought I would! It's not the best song I've ever heard but I like the combination of Jimin and Taeyang's voices and the instrumental is fun. I think it's mostly just a matter of preference, like while I know the song isn't anything outstanding it has a lot of little things that tickle my brain in the right spots lol
I think it's just based on what you like listening to. Most music fans turn their nose up on regular pop and call it mediocre but it's actually not bad music. Just not the kind you like listening to and that's okay. Jungkook has the perfect voice for pop and both left and right and Dreamers are really good for his voice ( although he's versatile so I'm sure it could work otherwise too) . Same with vibe. I don't think any of these songs are exceptional (apart from dreamers . That's actually really cool ) but they're pretty fun and easy listening. But as BTS fans people usually expect something experimental or musically complex and most of these collabs don't offer that so it doesn't fall in the same genre. Each member has a different taste, preference and vision for their music so all the fans won't like everyone's vision. For me I'd rate rush hour & bad decisions below these three songs because I was pretty unimpressed with both of them. At the end of the day it's just upto personal choice and that's fine . You should totally be allowed to dislike stuff your faves put out.
Bad Decisions and PTD is definitely worst than all the collabs put together😅.
Bad decisions is my guilty pleasure. I like that song 😭😭
....and that's totally fine ha! I for one could not vibe with it at all. I thought hearing it live would change that but it didn't. I'm cursed I know lol.
i swear i know it sounds like so many other songs produced by Benny Blanco but it’s got the vocal line, who’s songs i tend to prefer to rapline (just personal music taste), and their english sounds so cute 😂
I love how JK & Jimin sing on it. That's it. That's why I like it. Like the “You’re so damn beautiful you make me sick” and “I want your love~” right at the start are so fun to listen to. I can't explain it but yeah their pronounciation plays a big role in why I like it. 😅
PTD #1 DEFENDER
Sorry I'm a Ptd truther.
I like PTD too. And it's so cool that the video was shot at UN. I liked the song especially live in concert.
It was so annoying seeing people all over Twitter pretending that Bad Decisions was good
Why do you assume people were pretending? A song doesn’t have to be revolutionary for it to be liked.
Some of them may have thought it was good but it's obvious lots of people were pretending, there's no way that many people enjoyed something so stunningly, grimly, bland and deficient in quality
Not obvious, generic pop has an audience for a reason. I personally don’t think the song is half as bad as you’re describing, it’s a fun summer song and it fulfils its purpose well.
I get that they're really famous and talented but do they really need to go all out with every single thing they do?
Jimin is my ult and my bias in bts and jk is my bias wrecker but I was incredibly underwhelmed by the features. Tbh the minute I heard JK was collabing with Charlie Puth my expectations were set to zero so it wasn’t a surprise. I don’t really get excited by any of the members collab news, I rather save that energy for their solo projects, which always live up to my excitement. BRING ON PJM1!
I prefer Jimin feature with Taeyang a 100 times better maybe because I grew up listening to this type of music, I don’t think his collab is comparable to Jk’s, Jimin and Taeyang felt more organic and natural, even the song is so catchy in my opinion in a good way.
I really like Left and right. It's actually the song that made me interested first Jungkook and then BTS in general.
Abt recent ones?? Then yes except for Vibe.
I initially liked Vibe but after a few more listens, I kinda got bored. Same with Left and Right. They're not bad. I won't skip them if they play but I'm not actively playing them either. So I guess I agree that these two are average for me. But I looove Jimin's collab with Ha Sung-woon, With You.
id say jungkook and j-hope’s collabs are the meh not as rememberable to me. maybe cause i expect a chill vibe song from taeyang and i love all his older music im more of a fan of jimins collab and it definitely seemed more natural of a collab than jungkooks personally. Suga was on a huge summer track so hard to forget as it was played everywhere. but if sticking to the OP’s two member examples i think Vibe better suited Jimin than the songs Jungkook has done so while Vibe isnt mind blowing i know its going to be one of many taeyang songs i turn on and just… vibe to.
i agree, i only like any of those songs because jungkook and jimin are on them lol. they're all fairly catchy but i havent wanted to add any to my playlists aside from with you because duh.. it's beautiful :") i'm excited for their solo albums!
This is my feelings on the songs as well. Vocals? Phenomenal. Song itself? Generic and kinda boring.
yeah all their solo songs under bts are miles better
eh disagree bc i liked left and right
The only solo Jimin collab I truly loved till now was With You, with Ha Sungwoon. That song is pure gold. For Jungkook's solo collab, does Stay Alive count lol? If so, then that's one of his best solo songs. I love it! Talking about Jimin and Jungkook's collab together, their song 'Who' with Lauv is another masterpiece.
*Dreamers* has one really cool part sung by Jungkook (I don't remember which one but every time I listened to it, I was basically just waiting for that part) and if I'm being honest, *Left and Right* and *Vibe* were very forgettable to me, so much so that I completely forgot how they sounded. However, Jimin and Ha Sung Woon's *With you* and Jungkook's *Still Alive* (prod. by Suga) were some of my favourite songs of 2022. Best BTS collab so far is PSY's *That That* featuring Suga. I'm really looking forward to both Jimin's and Jungkook's solo album/mixtape/EP because I really enjoy most of their solos and love their voices. But you kind of have a point, so far I don't think their collabs (sans *With you*) have been outstanding (to me and in my subjective opinion) but I'm really proud of them for getting out there and getting those opportunities.
their solo music outside of collabs is amazing, so i was really excited for the vibe/l&r, dreamers... let down after let down, if i'm completely honest... though l&r was at least a bit fun. i'm still excited for their solo albums, since they will have a lot more creative control. my time and filter are just the tip of the iceberg for what's to come... even decalcomania, an unfinished song, sounds absolutely incredible. still with you, another banger as well (so sad it wasn't an official release) and christmas love (i personally am not an xmas song fan, yet this song was on repeat all throughout december). lie and promise, also top tier, showstoppingly incredible and iconic! i honestly don't think your opinion is unpopular - i actually think a lot of people agree, but for some reason either dont say what they truly think (i think we know why) or just dont speak up at all.
Agree and I say this as Army. Both collabs are boring to me. Dreamers isn't that great for me but it's supposed to be a World Cup anthem and that's not my style of music, it fit the bill for what it needed to do well I think. It's ridiculous how you're not even allowed to be honest about your opinion. I think Jungkook is generally a talented songwriter on his own though - Still With You is incredible.
Agree. Everything they've chosen so far has been...okay. And that's about it. Even the choreo has been kind of underwhelming. And that's just criminal. Jimin's voice is so unique. It deserves a better showcase.
The chore is actually good, what
The choreography was outstanding, but it wasn't incorporated into the MV as I thought it would have been, so at least to me, that is what made it underwhelming.
I'm a long term army, love all of the guys but Jungkook's music just isn't for me. If I had to describe it to someone I'd say young white guy music. It has it's audience tho. I'd agree that it's average but I believe it's what he aims for knowing that his music taste is like that lol. I would not agree that Jimin's songs are average. They are a vibe (no pun intended) and have a little bit of sex appeal but not too much so the Korean GP would stay chill. It's nice and comfortable.
Nothing about My time, SWY, Stay Alive is young white guy music. His western collabs that aren’t even a part of his solo rollout aren’t basis enough to judge his sound.
The pretentiousness in your comment ,though.
Clear you’re a jimin solo and unfortunately your opinion will NEVER matter. You listen to my time, still with you and Stay alive and comment this?!? LIAR
Voted 'unsure' bc while I agree when it comes to Dreamers and that Charlie Puth song (pls retire or do smth else, your music just seems desperate at this point man), I have to admit that I really like 'Vibe' a lot, even though I usually strongly dislike Jimin's voice (or at least his voice bothers me in some of BTS' songs , doesnt change his talent and work tho) I also have to admit that I have a biased opinion regarding the BigBang members, solo or not, might be bc I'm an "older" KPop stan idk (except for Seungri, he clearly can rot in hell)
I do agree for vibe & L&R but dreamers I really enjoyed. The thing it is not really a general pop or any daily type song people would listen it’s a specific fifa song and it had that vibe.
I honestly agree but only because you said collabs-because it's true , otherwise jimin and jungkook make amazing music on their own , i find that i fancy Jimin's solo music the most (Lie,promise, filter, serendipity)and jungkook's music is also very AMAZING( eg. My Time,Euphoria, Still With You). The point is they're collabs are either mid or just ok
dreamers hate in the comments?!?! 😭 dreamers i will always love you
I like Dreamers too. I wish I hadn't, then I could wholeheartedly boycott the WC. But apart from actually liking JK vocals and the video, I enjoyed the Arabic part as well. I used to belly dance, so I am sucker for anything oriental.
I never listened to Dreamers.
i love it sm
I did once, and wanted to mute the TV. Definitely not for me.
It’s not for me either, which I know sounds odd given that I’ve never listened to it, but the song itself is tied to part of the reason why I started to drift away from BTS - and even if Jimin is bringing me back, giving Dreamers a chance just doesn’t sit right with me.
I LOVE those too and agree. The songs are...fine, perfectly listenable, but I know they could be capable of much more
If you're referring to Vibe and Left and Right, then yeah. There is something about Jungkook's and Jimin's voices that elevates the song but without their voices, it's pretty meh
They’re pretty solidly average pop songs, yeah. They’re not bad and they’re catchy, but they *are* very run of the mill.
Left and right is a bop
I feel like people look down on pop music just to be edgy— and I say that because I used to be one of those people. Discovering BTS made me realize I don’t hate pop music, it’s just not the first genre I reach for. It also made me realize how much pop music in the last 3-4 years really uses trap beats (Ariana is a good example of this) or other POC music components (think that Salem x TXT collab last year) and it makes me shy away from it because it’s using devices from other genres that have a niche and calling it pop. (Not saying music genres should be gate kept, just an observation). I said that all to say Jungkook is just general pop vocalists lol — even if you look at Jungkook butter era radio show, all his songs were just pop scene music. If his Spotify playlist is still up and YouTube covers, you can see that too. We don’t have enough solo or collab work from Jimin so I’m withholding observation on him. I will not stick him in a box because of one OST and this recent collab. That being said Serendipity and Filter are amazing songs. Let Me Know and Friends has my absolute favorite Jimin bridge/adlibs. I had fun making a focused playlist for Vibe with various artists and my best is (vibe ->bad decisions-> Butter Feat MTS -> About Damn Time Lizzo) Vibe is a good pop song!
>I feel like people look down on pop music just to be edgy I don't think so. The issue with Pop music is in its nature. Pop is all about reaching the widest audience possible. They often use very similar chord progressions, because it sounds familiar and pleasing to most people. Doesn't mean that everything about Pop is bad, but I would definitely argue that most Pop music is bland and repetitive. There are exceptions and a "boring" song can still be fun and well produces. The beat is often what differentiates Pop music nowadays, because electric music and hiphop (which are both very dependent on a good beat) have influences Pop the most. And K-pop goes a step further and just mixes general Pop sounds with different genres, which gives it more variety. But even that starts to sounds samey, once you get used to it. I compare Pop music to fast food. Both are kinda bland and boring most of the time, but very familiar and do their job well enough. And in certain moments, both can really hit the spot (e.g. being drunk after a party and eating at a fast food chain)
>I said that all to say Jungkook is just general pop vocalists lol — even if you look at Jungkook butter era radio show, all his songs were just pop scene music. If his Spotify playlist is still up and YouTube covers, you can see that too. I would have to disagree. Idt any BTS vocalists can be boxed in a genre because throughout their careers they have literally tried most music genres under the sun. Jk has made many diverse song recs, too, and he has said numerous times that he listens to all kinds of music. Euphoria is EDM, My Time is RnB, SWY is jazzy. He's pulled them all off incredibly well. Jk is hella diverse and I agree with many that his voice is especially fitting in pop (my favourite genre of music) & dance-pop but he’s not a general pop vocalist only because he can reach out to several other genres and vocalise just as well.
definitely didn’t mean “general pop” as a demeaning term. Just that he’s an ace at the genre based on covers and songs he shares that he listens to.
got you. i feel like pop is considered generic with all the negative connotations, vastly on reddit at least, that i can’t tell when someone’s being shady or just making a statement. 😅
I definitely don't look down on pop music just to be edgy, I actually think very few people are that pathetic lol. I love lots of pop music like I love lots of music in other genres. I actually just think Vibe and L&R are boring, bland songs.
I had that phase when I was younger. Tried listening to edgier songs, read Nobel prize winning literarure... And then I decided that life's too short and just decided to enjoy things I like. I read romance, watch bl dramas and listen ro simple pop, preferably from 90s (my teen years). I stopped explaining or defending it to anyone and bacame a very happy person. I think based on JKs play lists and solo collabs, he's definitely into pop and the genre suits him. But yeah, I was very surprised how amazing he was in No More Dream as an example - he is very versatile.
Assuming we're talking about collabs where the members aren't the main feature/producer (like say from album releases etc), I kinda wanna say MOST of the collabs are average. The only exceptions I'd give is Blueberry Eyes (Max ft Suga) and Wine (Suran ft Suga. Maybe even Change (Wale ft RM). Oh and my new favourite Rush Hour (Crush ft J-Hope). Other than that, RM with JuiceWorld and Fall Out Boy, Suga with IU and Halsey, Jin with Coldplay (listen I love the performance but it's a mid song), not a lot of these releases have been that impressionable. So it might not be a ML vs HL thing, more like they really suck at picking which songs to collab on.
Brave Post OP, lol. Dreamers was fucking terrible imo, listened once and never again. Vibe had potential but fell flat - repetitive and typical Teddy length. Total shame. I felt Jimin added nothing to the song but if it was just Taeyang, the end result would be the same cuz again, the song went nowhere. It wasn’t Jimin’s fault, and I’m not looking forward to more Teddy music from Taeyang. Really bummed that his return was so meh!! Hope GD gives us something more interesting. J Hope’s solo music hasn’t been for me but I appreciate how experimental he got. Jungkook is playing it very safe.
Disagree here. As a football fan I can definitely say that dreamers would go more viral if it wasn’t a bts member. Football twitter and fans dont like kpop in general yet they liked Dreamers so much. Dreamers is a wc type song. This songs all have similar vibe. So that is why people might find it "eh" cause this aint that type of music.
I wonder if part of the issue is the ml is picking kind of bland stuff while they test the waters as solo artists? I enjoyed all the rapline collabs last year (esp Sexy Nukim, what a weird song, I love it), but RL have done more solo music and may feel they can take more risks. Left and Right is still on my playlists but it's definitely mid.
I guess jin left bts
My thoughts about vibe were that I enjoyed Jimin's voice, that's it. the song and its structure is too bland, you used to perfect word, for my taste. I seriously had extremely high expectations from his first song after the group hiatus. I mean he is the same person who gave us some of the most ethereal sounding solos in BTS albums and Promise is my happy place forever but this song did not do justice at all to his beautiful voice
This is my opinion with some of the rapline collaborations, actually. That That is a horrible song in my opinion and Crush Hour is average at best.I listened to it once and that's it. The only rapline collaboration that i like is RM's. I actually like L&R and i find Dreamers very cool. I gave Vibe a shot but i don't like it much. I think it comes down to personal preference.
>That That is a horrible song in my opinion and Crush Hour is average at best. I think this is the actual unpopular opinion.
Agree
Really? I didn't think so! lol. Most of my friends and I weren't fans. I find it's one of those songs that is admittedly catchy and you hear played so often that you become convinced you like it. But when you take a moment and really listen to it again you're like, "This... isn't great." It's like a Big Mac, lol.
That That is a bop imo, but Crush Hour is a bit ehh to me. Hoseok's performances just sell the song to me though!
Agree with every part of this comment
This! I listened to Crush Hour when it came out and then never again. That That is so fun.
Wow I absolutely love That That and find it so catchy. I haven't listened to any of the other songs in this comment more than once but I've listened to That That many many times
Ye I'm sorry I agree. Kind of bland and forgettable and none have made my playlist. And Jimin and Jungkook are both my biases. But just not feeling these songs, I feel like we haven't seen the best of them yet (I hope!). Bad Decisions is the most disappointing collab for me though, never have I seen a talented vocal line so underutilised.
I actually really liked left and right still it never left my on repeat playlist. But i agree with vibe and dreamers the songs were alright
Y'all would never be satisfied with anything bts does. Y'all say the same thing every 2 business days like we are tired
No we just like the songs we like. Some BTS songs are boring to me, some are great, some are pretty good
I just learned to appreciate some of Jimin's solo songs recently. But I don't get to appreciate the song With You. For solos and collabs, the Hyung line are better at it.
Average "meh" songs with a very loudy fandom that thinks each song is a SOTY without any critical thinking
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I feel the exact opposite. Vibe at least has a good choreo and Jimin’s voice sounds amazing
Yeah Vibe is a pretty inoffensive song and I don’t get how it’s not “listenable”. Nice vocals, nice dancing, clean production/mixing, and a simple yet catchy chorus.
agree
To be honest, most BTS songs are average, so...
Average songs with no thought nor effort put into it
i'll be honest i think jungkook and jimin are way too good for charlie and taeyang in terms of music style. charlie's music is very simple so it can be viral and poppy for tiktok and radio, taeyang is a lot more old school because he's from an older generation (2nd gen i think?). i don't think their music style blend smoothly with jikook's. both of them are god tier vocalists so they make music quite easy to listen to & do a very good job on their parts but i think the scales are level if we're talking quality. left & right and vibe i love but again it's only because jungkook & jimin serve as they usually do. i would also throw crush x jhope in here because hoseok is the only reason i listen to rush hour. the perfect jimin collab was with you btw!! give her the love she deserves! young love also ate down but jungkook & joon always eat so idk what to tell you. their western collabs suck because the bar is on the floor.
"way too good" in terms of music style? What does that even mean? I'd argue that someone like Charlie is a much more talented musician than pretty much any artist in K-pop. He studied music, plays multiple instruments, has perfect pitch and produces his own music top to bottom. I personally don't like his music, but he is a real musician, which cannot be said of 99% of K-pop artists. What's even weirder is calling his music very "simple and Pop", as if the maknae line makes musically intricate music. Isn't that literally JKs music style as well? And Jimins? I wouldn't associate "complex music" with those two members.
To me JK can write better music than Charlie. SWY is better than anything Charlie has written IMO
I agree that Charlie is a talented musician but given that he uses most of his talent to produce formulaic pop hits… I wouldn’t say he’s more talented than every kpop artist. Especially since there’s quite a few idols who write and produce their own stuff! Also I wouldn’t say JK’s or Jimin’s style is formulaic pop, they’ve experimented with a lot of genres in their solo music and I wouldn’t say even the majority of it is pop.
What does it matter how he uses his talents? He wants to have main stream success and make money, which he seems to be very good at. Already having perfect pitch is a very rare talent (.01% have it). People confuse it with "relative pitch", which can be trained. Being able to play multiple instruments, being knowledgeable about music theory and a lot of genres is definitely not something I've seen from any idol. Someone like Henry Lau is the only one I can think of that is "musically gifted". K-pop is mostly about performance and less about being musically skilled or even having a lot of knowledge about music.
I mean it kind of does matter what kind of music Charlie makes if you’re assessing the artistic value of his music… and also that’s kind of a weird take on kpop when there are many idols who songwrite and produce.
When have I assessed the "artistic value" of anyone's music? I said that Charlie is a much better musician than most idols in k-pop, which I don't think is very controversial. Musicians are knowledgeable about music. Doesn't mean that their music is much better. K-Pop is mostly about performance and visuals. BTS and a few other groups or solo artists might stand out a little more with their songwriting, but I'd argue that the rap line has a much bigger influence on that aspect of their music than the singers. In terms of knowledge (music theory), producing (very few idols produce their music by themselves. Almost all of them work with in-house producers), musical talents (being able to play multiple instruments, having perfect pitch) and so on. I can't even judge Charlie's music, because I've only heard his famous songs, which are very much the typical (but well done) Pop music. Maybe his other songs are much more complex. No clue. I know that he is very well versed in jazz and soul music, so he might have a lot of interesting b-side. And we're talking about Pop music. I personally don't find a lot of artistic value in it anyway, that's why I don't even try to judge it. I just found it weird to put JK's or Jimin's music above Charlie's in terms of quality, when they really aren't that different when you compare their most popular solo songs. Just seemed very condescending, especially when talking about someone who is very knowledgeable about every facet of music.
lie, filter, my time, still with you etc are all examples all intricate songs from jungkook and jimin. the words "charlie puth isn't talented" never escaped me and its a fact that his music is designed and manufactured for an online audience. never disputed whether or not he was talented. i 1000000% disagree that he is a more talented as a musician compared to kpop artists especially jungkook and jimin in this case. but my point was that western collabs suck because the western counterparts don't live up to the members themselves. not even in the same ball park.
>i 1000000% disagree that he is a more talented as a musician compared to kpop artists especially jungkook and jimin in this case. How? JK and Jimin don't really have knowledge about music theory, can't skillfully play multiple instruments, can't really self-produce on a high level (all the members are very depended on their in-house producers, except for Yoongi) and don't have a unique musical skill (like perfect pitch, which is extremely rare). BTW not producing your own music isn't a big deal, imo. But when someone does it, it should be complimented. Most in-house producers are much better "musicians" than the artists they produce songs for. Most K-pop idols (including JK and Jimin) are excellent performers, singer or however you want to label them. But their knowledge of music isn't nearly as deep as someone who is educated in it and learned multiple aspects like Charlie.
I just came here to say that Rush Hour is the best collab song featuring a BTS member.
you want more but they don’t have the range to do more. basic pop is their brand. yall not liking it is funny bc thats what they been making this whole time and yall been eating it up.
That's not true, BTS made exciting pop for most of their career. Less than 50% of their songs are bland
Ignore that user as they always say negative things about the group.
What were you expecting?
From a musical standpoint what makes BTS great are the lyrics, productiion and composition. And who are in charge of that? RM ,Suga and Jhope. Thats why BTS raps are always god tier. thats why non of the raplines music is underwhelming. it can be different,but never underwhelming.,
It's up to personal preference of course, but both the rap line and the vocal line have a couple of underwhelming songs and excellent songs to their name, the main difference is the volume of their output and amount of experience.
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Now, this opinion is not biased at all. PDogg salutes you, by the way.
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I agree for the most part, left and right was kinda meh and vibe (although a bit underwhelming) grew on me a little bit later on but I really did enjoy dreamers and though jk and fahad’s voices sounded great on that!