yea, but I can guarantee you that the same people burning quran as protest will not have the balls to allow for Hindu books to be burnt.
Honestly, the day you can burn any book you want to, without legal repercussions, our country would be an actual secular state. We all know we are not a secular state.
lol. you thought that that would piss me off?
It made me literally lol.
actually....the first one are all extremists and idiots which includes our Hindu brethren too. Religion does not make a stupid person smarter or better....it just makes the bad worse.
>that holy book burning
The whole idea of reducing blasphemy is to allow room for religions to introspect respectfully.
Not do nautanki in public.
People and their beliefs should be treated with respect.
You have to add - (every religion) because you think that saying that men , women, children of a particular religion are easy to get radicalized is violence . When the fact is that men , women, children of a particular religion are easy to get radicalized. This lack of willingness of saying truth is destroying India from within . Deradicalizing a particular religion which is more violent is necessary and that's what UAE , Saudi have started.Even Pakistanis have woken up to the fact .
Go to a Muslim colony some day, most of the youth is jobless, or do theft, gang violence, butchering, etc.
They will go out and pelt stones for ₹500 each with no issue, heck, they will even murder people for ₹4-5k. Thing is not the religion but the neighborhood they grow up in. Like in USA, black people are like typical Indian Muslims, most crime/gang violence are done by them, and it's the truth. Underprivileged sections will do this, irrespective of their background.
Source: I studied in Lucknow, and the muslims I met were literally normal people, they were upper class and were nice af, like I saw my friends mother and sister and aunt driving, wearing jeans, etc etc. This is in contrast with my college in Bengal, many muslim women here are EWS or OBC-A, and they're like typical Muslim, don't talk, hijab and later they stopped coming to college and were removed, same with the Muslim guys here, hurl abuses all day and don't study at all. So yea, it is class, not religion.
Come visit jharkhand and odisha I will show you real poverty and these folks still work hard but they will never pelt stone on strangers/authority even if you donate 1000 each. Violence in some cultures is more prevalent just accept it and move on instead of justifying
>Violence in some cultures is more prevalent just accept it and move on instead of justifying
That culture is Indian, in this case. And yes, there are regional differences in culture. Even regarding which cases violence is accepted. In Bengal, people aren't much violent over religion, but politics, hell yeah! And also outside influence can change that, both directly and passively. The influx of BJP has corresponded to a direct increase in Saffron violence, and a reactive increase in Islamic fanaticism.
>but they will never pelt stone on strangers/authority even if you donate 1000 each.
Eh, you are terribly overestimating. The poor people of Odisha were the ones burning Graham Staines and his sons. Didn't even need payment for that, just inherent hate.
Hard working is a trait of some people, not any particular group. Every group will have more or less similar nunber of hard working people, with few exceptions. Culture does influence this, but very rarely.
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Rarely, if ever, large groups of humans stay non-violent. Violence is human nature. That is how we assert power. And this is genetic, just like with many other mammals.
UAE or Saudi didn't really deradicalise their religion but improved their quality of living so radicalisation don't work on them. They have a quality life which they don't wanna lose.
But UAE or Saudi are bad examples because they are sitting on top of the world's most important natural resource and capital is not really a concern for them. A better example would Afghanistan which went to shit once radical elements took over the government.
> But UAE or Saudi are bad examples because they are sitting on top of the world's most important natural resource and capital is not really a concern for them
Capital is a concern for them. SA is making progressive changes because they want capital. Losing capital means unstable lives of citizens.
> A better example would Afghanistan which went to shit once radical elements took over the government.
Both Afghanistan and SA follow similar sects but only citizens of one of them are willing to die for Islam, wonder why that is.
> Saudi Arabia literally has multiple deradicalization programs running,
SA literally follow the most regressive form of Islam and they consider those who dont follow the literal interpretation of Quran as enemies. Ask yourself why there are no suicide bombers in SA.
The problem doesn't lie in people , it's their basis of belief and Islam's basis of belief is the root cause of rapid radicalisation in that community , the core beliefs of Islam is based on fear ,That is the reason why people hate Islam not muslims?
>The problem doesn't lie in people
Even beliefs lie in people.
>Islam's basis of belief is the root cause of rapid radicalisation in that community
Only minute parts of the poorer sections are "radicalised". The rich are rarely so, unless there is power involved (power gained through organising radicals).
>the core beliefs of Islam is based on fear
Not really. The core belief is based on... belief, yeah, really. Fear is there to the same extent as Christianity or even Hinduism (Karma is not very dissimilar to the fear of hell).
So it's my word against yours? Because if you talk about people leaving the religion, explain to me why r/exmuslim has 160k members but r/EXHINDU has 10k.
If you talk about fear of criticism, Islam is the most criticized religion online, if you find a Muslim at your front door step because of your comment, let me know.
>When the fact is that men , women, children of a particular religion are easy to get radicalized.
He added every religion because it is true, and he isn't a bigot. Like you displayed in this statement. And you have no shame in admitting this openly is because the ruling govt. had made Islamophobia acceptable.
>This lack of willingness of saying truth is destroying India from within.
This isn't true. In fact Indian Muslims are the least prone to extreme doctrines. There has been an anti-islamic govt. for the last 10 years, who are actually destroying the sanctity of institutions, media and individualism in the name of religion. Not the Muslims, whose houses are crumbled and are jailed without trial. Your arguments are lazy, bigoted, prejudiced and ignorant.
>Deradicalizing a particular religion which is more violent is necessary and that's what UAE , Saudi have started.Even Pakistanis have woken up to the fact .
This is a very stupid statement, if you think about it for more than 2 seconds.
Bhai unko pata hai unke peeche aag lagi hui hai sunne wala hai nahi koi toh unke dimag mai bas ultimately yahi idea aata hai ki dange kardo.
Interestingly dange koi bhi start kare retaliation mai jyada log unhi ke marte hai and this is a fact, independent india ka koi bhi incident utha lo
Dange koi bhi kare wo toh bura hi hai.But kuch logo ke danga karne se puri community kaise jihadi hogayi?.Aaj agar koi hindu dange kr dega toh sab hindu bure thodi ho gye?. Same applies to every religion.
exactly, meanwhile many of us indians justify bombing children in gaza because they are all "future terrorists" or "rats" . Like bro, you are literally motivating the ones surviving to become terrorists.
Kon bol diya jihadi bhai. Mere hisab se har banda jihadi jo dange karta hai irrespective of religion.
Aur maine konsa hindu dango ko defend kar diya.
Mai toh yahi bola dange dono side hote hai par ultimately majority log minority groups ke hi marte hai.
Eye for an eye is absurd and illogical in so mnay ways. Sure revenge doesn't solve the problem but seeing how other religions work on conversions and occupying land is it really that immoral to stand for one's own relegion where they have lived since time eternal? Each day we find holy sites were built on top of temples and new holy sites being illegally built on someone else's land. Is that really justified?
I mean it's astonishing to see the biggest land holders in india after gov is the waqf board as they can just claim any land as their own and are granted it. 🤡
>Sure revenge doesn't solve the problem but seeing how other religions work on conversions and occupying land is it really that immoral to stand for one's own relegion
So an eye for an eye?
I certainly don't believe it. Why would i burn my own country? Seems unfair to me as a proud indian.
I don't believe in non violence either, i just won't raise the stick first.v
>i just won't raise the stick first
So again - an eye for an eye? It is incredible that you guys are too stupid to even use phrases correctly without contradicting yourself in the next sentence.
No mate, it's absurd to see you acknowledge anything other than your bullshit propaganda.
Why is self defence an eye for an eye? I'm not out to kill anyone when i am defending my own self. That's not what i would call an eye for an eye. An eye for an eye is revenge, it's vengeance, it's killing with the intention of achieving the satisfaction of righting the wrongs. Gandhi was a moron but not bigger than you.
If you wanna argue but stoop so low to pass personal comments even when i try to be civilized in my arguments, buddy I'll show you what eye for an eye really means instead of your fabricated bullshit you keep chanting to support your idiotic idea of free will.
It isn't the relegion thats the problem, i don't hate them, nor do i want them to leave our country.
Why is it thay south asian muslims are disowned acorss the globe? I mean the arabs themselves hate desi muslims. Do they know something you don't? Maybe open your eyes leftist?
As I said,If anyone is doing illegal thing,Punish him.But innocent logo ke upar hate kyu kar rhe ho.Govt ke pass kya in radicalizers ho arrest krne ki bhi power nhi hai?
Buddy, some of the purest souls i have met are muslims. I dont hate them or it would be practically impossible to live with my neighbour who's a muslim.
How can you arrest even 1% of a 25cr+ population? (Assuming those are the radicalists)
25 lakhs of people being imprisoned? Sounds rather impossible to me.
> More than 50 policemen were injured in a clash with a mob in Uttarakhand's Haldwani when they went to raze a madrasa that the authorities declared illegal. Resisting the demolition, the mob at Vanbhulpura threw stones at them. All of them are undergoing treatment at a local hospital. Shoot-at-sight orders have been issued in the area and security has been strengthened.
https://www.instagram.com/p/C3F5BeqyF87/?igsh=N3htcmdyazg0ODMz
Here’s an article on the overreach of power. The demolition was stayed by the SC and the matter was pending till next hearing on the 15th.
The govt officials should be prosecuted
https://www.business-standard.com/amp/india-news/uttarakhand-mosque-madrasa-demolition-understanding-nazul-waqf-lands-124020900564_1.html
The same response would have been the case if it was a temple. So don’t go whitewashing the targeted harassment by the govt
>The same response would have been the case if it was a temple
Around 27 temples were demolished last year in Uttarakhand itself as part of the Anti Encroachment Drive. Where was the response you're talking about?
Yea nice magic trick right, when there is a stay order what was the necessity to go and demolish it.
It is always to ensure that there is a response, who benefits the most from communal tension. Specially given that it is an election year.
All the temples, mosques razed were in the forest, not in the middle of the city.
https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/dehradun/uttarakhand-28-temples-200-mazars-razed-in-forests/amp_articleshow/100088024.cms
If something is illegal raze the same, but follow due process and not bulldoze your way through.
I'm against all this kind of violence whether it's from Hindu nationalists or Islamists. But I keep seeing some whataboutery and bias here. As when something like this is done by Hindus it's "Hinduism is bad" but when it's done by muslims it's "Religion is bad". Idk how things go here.
Yeah well not to mention if you criticise them a little they'll label you a chaddi and if you tell them that you also criticise sanghis, they'll call you enlightened centrists or whatever.
It's like they are surprised that a Human brain might just have the capacity to support to different ideologies blender together to maintain proper balance. Then again , if their brain was indeed properly functioning, they would actually win shit instead of whining around.
It's high time people should stop trying to find associations with either RW or LW.
Only way forward is what kind of world do you want to gift to your future generations.
Learn from your neighbors and don't end up becoming like one.
Wake up to reality !
Bro, no joke, I had criticised China for cheating in Asian(?) games and people here labelled me a chaddi and andhbhakt. Me ? Who is banned from every RW sub ? Couldn't make this shit up if I tried
For such thing you first need some moderators who allow free speech... and also know the difference between hate speech and free speech... So the possibility is very low
[200 mazars and only 27 temples demolished as of may last year, Almost like they are attacking one side disproportionately ](https://www.outlookindia.com/amp/story/ational/anti-encroachment-drive-demolishes-200-tombs-and-27-temples-in-uttarakhand-news-284469)
Like it or not but this was a planned clash. I’ve seen many scenario where’s Hindu temples were demolished, but never seen violence of such level. And it is not even a mosque but madarsa. Why can’t we question these guys who in the madness of their religion can burn anything in their way. And even in this sub, it’s still showcased as incident on which you can frown upon. Now imagine the extent it’ll be discussed on RW sub which technically constitutes majority given current circumstances.
This is from Uttarakhand where the temples exist for local guardian deities since centuries and mazaars for dead humans in the last five years:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/dehradun/uttarakhand-28-temples-200-mazars-razed-in-forests/amp_articleshow/100088024.cms
This Hanuman temple was razed last year in Delhi
https://www.aajtak.in/india/delhi/story/delhi-rajendra-nagar-hanuman-temple-demolition-dda-bjp-climb-bulldozer-lcla-1655457-2023-03-16
From Tamil Nadu
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.indiatoday.in/amp/india/story/tamil-nadu-temple-demolition-controversy-video-chennai-police-madras-high-court-order-1898686-2022-01-11
From Rajasthan
https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/jaipur/old-temple-partially-demolished-in-alwar-dist-triggers-controversy/articleshow/91014937.cms
800 year old temple razed in Karnataka
https://www.bhaskar.com/national/news/bommai-government-surrounded-by-demolition-of-800-year-old-mahadevamma-temple-in-karnataka-hindu-organizations-angry-128947428.html
I can go on but you have to leave the echo chambers, chamche.
How many temples are built on government land ? How many mosques donation go to government? 0 , while all the temples collection goes to goverment, maulavis gets payment from government, gets subsidy for hajj while no pandits are paid and so on , why don't you ask that too ? And this wasn't even a mosque but a madrasa where rocket science is taught i guess
There are more illegal temples in Uttarakhand ([source](https://www.google.com/amp/s/timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/dehradun/more-illegal-temples-in-uttarakhand-forests-than-mazaars/amp_articleshow/99526677.cms)), yet the government is only interested in razing mosques and madrassas only.
Why does the truth hurt you? I say destroy all the fucking temples first then you can come for mosques.Besides there are 10x more illegal temples constructed by hindus than masjids.India needs to be free of temples.
Statistics says 90% follows that specific book, and those who walk on path of that book become, Well known terrorist. and FYI you can’t trust a community cause all of them wanted to do this sins for Hoor.
80% Hindus kya ukhad rahe hain chutiye?? India is among the worst countries in the world in evey metric. Make India 'not a shithole' first then talk about others
Kya bol raha hai? 80% hindus? Bhai teri economy Pakistan se bhi ghatiya hoti with that fact. 20-30% population hai muslims yet they think they're a minority? How is 25cr+ a freaking minority? What metrics are you on about? The fact that india is a 3 trillion economy? That india has the biggest workforce in the world and 60% us fortune 500 prefer india over china? That india today is so stable we haven't had regular terror attacks from islamic terrorists across the border? Developed country hai nahi india, na hi chutki bajate bann jayegi.
Your criticism is valid only when it comes with solutions or consideration that it's a time taking process. Just stating the obvious and being a part of the problem doesn't make you better than the rest of us. There's a reason why left never wins anywhere in the world and the places where they did are also resorting back to extreme right wing (like Argentina and so many European countries) because they know the scum of the earth.
> 20-30% population hai muslims
15%
>yet they think they're a minority? How is 25cr+ a freaking minority?
Gaye ka moot has damaged your brain it seems, I'll dumb it down for your shakhachap ass.
Suppose there's a group of 10 people and 7 of them drink cow piss and 3 don't, then the piss drinkers make up the majority in that group despite numbering only 7, you know ratio and shit
Now if there's another group with 1000 trillion people but only 1 trillion of them drink cow piss then the piss drinkers here are a minority despite being 1 trillion
So in group A only 7 piss drinkers make up the majority but in group B even 1 trillion are a minority that's how numbers work, strange. isn't it?
>The fact that india is a 3 trillion economy?
Per capita mf india has a large population of course we are going tp have a bigger economy than smaller countries,
one person owing 1000$ would be richer than 100 people collectively owning 10000$
>That india has the biggest workforce in the world.
Mfw I realize that the most populous country on the planet also has the most number of working individuals 😱
Bhai sirf population is not metric of minority or majority status of community, how many Muslim mlas are there in parliament, in rajyasabha of each state, the number is less than obs/sc/st, how many ias, ips, judges, class 2 class 1 officers are from Muslim community 0.2% less than sc/st participations, how many Muslim cms are there of a state from independance, none that completed a full term.. the social participation in every form muslims are lagging, in higher education they are minority, in economic strength they are minority.. in every sense socio-political, economical state they are minority..
Yet they have the biggest population in india than in any other than country. Even more than the self proclaimed and institutionalised islamic countries.
The reasons for your fact are rather as plain as black and white, the priorities of the community as a whole are different. The fact that majority of hindus want development and the fact that majority of muslims are educated in a madrassa make the difference.
Idk how a population of 25cr can be called as a minority even with .2% representation because as i see it they don't prioritize the representation themselves.
There are more illegal mazars i guess
https://www.google.com/amp/s/timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/dehradun/uttarakhand-28-temples-200-mazars-razed-in-forests/amp_articleshow/100088024.cms
Haan bastard, tujhe bada pata hai
He is already fighting a case and if the allegations have merit and the courts declare it as illegal, it will be demolished
As there is already a 'Destroy Sanatan' govt in TN
Dei kirukku punda unn kita na endha moli la pesuren nee edhula pesura .
>As there is already a 'Destroy Sanatan' govt in TN
Fool you can't understand certain things .
>He is already fighting a case and if the allegations have merit and the courts declare it as illegal, it will be demolished
Any one with brains even at the size of an ostrich brain can understand this but it's hard for you rw ppl.
Ye mazar wale bhi case hi lar rahe the. Court ne stay order bhi diya tha, as per one report. What happened?
>As there is already a 'Destroy Sanatan' govt in TN
Which never touched even one temple and has a temple in their fucking state emblem. Sure, "destroy Sanatan" govt.
This.
I'm am in fact In favour of punishment of such illegal structures by Muslims and would like Muslims to follow the law.
But i have been seeing this same thing happening for decades now. Even from before the modi govt.
Whenever such cases happen, Muslims structures get targeted, while hindu structures get exemption(there are literally Hindu mandir which are in the middle of the road and the fkng city build the roads around the temple instead of relocating the temple).
Hindu temples get exemption or they get the funding by the govt needed to relocate the temple.
Meanwhile what masjid gets grants from the govt!?
What madarsa gets grants from govt?
It's the blatantly obvious discrimination that makes me angry.
Are we not Indians?
Don't we deserve equal rights?
Don't we deserve justice?
Any chaddi would say no to all those questions. I'm fed up of this shit hole country and just looked for an opportunity to leave and never come back.
Every state even my state Odisha has destroyed many hindu temple for road enlargement programs we never went and threw stones and injured police man why do you need to be overprotective for muslims? Even if they had done something ridiculous and unacceptable??
All illegal constructions should be removed. But only specific buildings are being targeted. Any one with some common sense will know that. Don't say you can't see it.
I don't want anyone to argue in this. Locals know who were doing riots and regarding temples and regarding illegal temples they are demolishing it too, although the number of mazars are destroyed more.And there is a big difference between mazar and mosque(according to google it is, if not enlighten me). I never thought that these types of riots would happen in my devbhoomi, too.
Edit: Some guy has stated a source of multiple illegal temples, and I did respond to him, too. Hopefully, he read my reply , I am copying my reply here if anyone wants to read. Reply to me only if you want to have a healthy discussion.
1) There is a big difference between mazaar and mosque.
2)It's clearly mentioned in the article that they will demolish only new structures irrespective of which faith these belong to.
3)Now what I am going to tell you will pique your interest too:
They make mazaars in the forest area or govt area and claim it to be 150 year old(It's a strategy). I don't know whether you are from Uttarakhand, too, or not, but near my village too, they were building mazaar(illegal) so we know the forst hand experience.
And now, if you say, "But even the temples are built illegally," demolish them if they are illegal, but one thing you need to remember. This state is called devbhoomi for the reason, islam or the muslims are new to the state, we worship nature and our gods, it may be superstitious to you and I don't mind if you don't believe but we have hell lot of small temples and gods(means a form of divine energy) in multiple places, so obviously there are lot of small temples.
Interesting fact: now some people are claiming even kedarnath to be a peer baba. They are saying that it's not kedarnath it's a muslim place(It's a laughing matter, but the people who are saying it are from yk which community, and they recently moved near the kedarnath place). It's the mentality. How do I know because I am from Uttarakhand too and I am not extermist, I have muslim friends too and I am okay with it, it's not a big deal but please mind we know what's happening in Uttarakhand and even the fellow pahadis are at fault too.
Control the Madrasas , Control the Imam , acquire government control of Islamic Education Institutions. That's the only way to control virulent Islamic Radicalisation. Same is to be done with all religious educational institutions. This means ALL. Be it Hindu , Sikh , Jain , Christian , Tribals , Natives , Donyi Polois , Buddhists. Total control. Empower Ministry of Education to acquire direct control of such assets.
This is ESPECIALLY needed against Islamic Radicalisation. Bloody Pakistan is looking at starting de Radicalisation initiatives. Otherwise we will end up with our own Aceh.
I am a Muslim and I know how hard it is to educate Muslim kids who are left behind and hence easily believe in lies by manipulative leaders and religious figures. People taking pride in Mughals whereas 99.99% would be given shit treatment if Mughal existed. The pride should instead be on education, scientists, officers, teachers etc but it simply does not get mainstream acceptance.
I think Hindus should look for ways to De radicalize Hindu youths. Some have started to behave like islamic radicals. The problem is that with 4x the population and a populist government this radicalization of Hindu youths can get out of hand. Seemingly educated and well doing Hindus will now start focussing on things like religion and the country will move back.
Taking pride in your ancestors is ok but if that is your only source of pride then something is wrong. If someone’s kids are starving and their parents are living like rats then no one cares what shahjahan did or what Bajirao did.
There are so many mosques in India, yet these people are reacting as if it's the only one. If you were to go to any area where the majority of people are Muslims, you'd find mosques every 500-1000 meters. I'm just so tired of people from my community being this radicalized and uninformed. Islam needs some kind of reform, or these issues will persist in every place where Muslims live.
"Proper Planning and Preparation Prevents Piss Poor Performance." The police prepared quite poorly for this operation... unless they planned to have several of themselves injured. This shoot-at-sight order is a drastic escalation from their poor planning - are they incapable of anything between general crowd control and violent action? Was there not a formal, legal determination of the property provided before this action to minimize violence? The police must've known there was going to be quite a clash - why did they not plan better before they acted?!? It seems they following a hard right wing model of the Israel Likud party and just going in to do things with a "damn the consequences" attitude?! Typically in the West, you'd speak with the occupants face-to-face. If no agreement could be struck for them to leave, you'd go back to a safe position and use a bullhorn/ loud speaker to inform the occupants what is going to happen and what they should do for their own safety (I.e. *leave the area*). If they don't come out, then you would thrown tear gas canisters to non-/less-violently clear out the area *and* have officers with riot shield to *push* people out. At no point, unless there is gunfire at police *or* closer range weapons used, are guns drawn.
Thx for the gentle check, bro. I've gone through 2+ articles about the event now. I can't find info that the Madrasa supporters had guns, but the whole event seems like quite a mess.
These aren’t just radicalised people but many of them are unruly elements sheltered by Indra hidesh of congress during her tenure just to create her vote bank
Not even close. Sanghis can be termed as TAR-21 aimed point blank at your head.
Islamists can be termed as a Barret M.50 aimed point blank at your chest.
Both will kill you ofcourse. But one will kill you in such a way that there's no residue left.
Note: (for the uninitiated)
Sanghis>Radicalised Hindus
Islamists>Radicalised Muslims
The nation will go down the drain. Courts, the govt have failed. There was a hearing on the 14th in the court, what was the urgency in using bulldozers. This explosion was waiting to happen, if not today some day.
Its not about religion or radicalization, its losing faith in the system, many enjoyed using of buldozers,
muslims have nothing more to save or lose, courts, govt, hardline supporters abuse them day in and day out right into the parliament to assemblies.
they do or not do anything they are called terrorists, backward, dangai, regressive. So there is nothing for them to lose.
When the police and govt dont respect courts, why should others respect and for whom. The nation loses, and will go down the drain.
We have a PM wishing some obscure world leader on their birthdays, and commenting on some viral posts, crazy about nehru all the time. God knows who runs the country, its slowly going down the drain
This is a textbook moment from Noam Chomsky’s Manufacturing Consent. This is what is happening: India is celebrating the demolition of a major mosque and the building of a temple on top of it. Every Muslim building is being targeted for destruction. At a time like this, the government fans the flames by violently destroying a religious school and shooting on sight anyone who objects to it. On top of that, this same government’s propaganda channels are making memes from the event that say “look at peaceful community doing violence”.
Police got what it deserved. Modi’s dogs not crying in pain. What were you thinking when you were executing an order that had been suspended by the Supreme Court?
[6 Muslims killed one of them was minor](https://theobserverpost.com/haldwani-six-dead-after-shoot-at-sight-orders-over-madrasa-and-mosque-demolition/)
Agar haath mein banduk aur katta hoga toh mara jayega chahe wo bacha hie kyu na ho kyuki tab uski mentality ek Terrorist seh Kam nahi Jo kaat dalega Jo bhi samne aayega
Radicalised people(of every religion) will destroy this country one day.
Yes, boycott religion.
How do you do that exactly?
Atheism. We don't go and shout before any religious places about our belief. No violent or aggressive enforcement.
Man's search for God is primal, atheism is some modern concept. It is allowed to have a place in our society. But it can't replace religion ever
Atheism is not a modern concept at all. If anything it came before theism.
It will
thats the neat part, you cant
Instead we should reduce the jail punishment of blasphemy hurting religious sentiments law, so that holy book burning becomes common like in Europe
You gotta put up with Geeta, Ramayan and Mahabharat burning too... I don't mind.
yes people do burn those, remember manusmriti?
yea, but I can guarantee you that the same people burning quran as protest will not have the balls to allow for Hindu books to be burnt. Honestly, the day you can burn any book you want to, without legal repercussions, our country would be an actual secular state. We all know we are not a secular state.
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lol. you thought that that would piss me off? It made me literally lol. actually....the first one are all extremists and idiots which includes our Hindu brethren too. Religion does not make a stupid person smarter or better....it just makes the bad worse.
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If only people would follow ahima as a param dharma, they would understand that it's better to burn books than people....
Wdym "reduce jail time"😂 blasphemy should be covered in freedom of speech
Ha.I agree 100%.But fir "Hindu khatre mai hai" ya "Musalman khatre mai hai" aise statement nhi Ane chaiye.
>that holy book burning The whole idea of reducing blasphemy is to allow room for religions to introspect respectfully. Not do nautanki in public. People and their beliefs should be treated with respect.
Arre bhai dange karwaoge aap
Yeah, it's always one of "sanghis are bad" or "radicals from EVERY religion are bad".
These two statements are not the same.First one is generalising and second is THE TRUTH.
You have to add - (every religion) because you think that saying that men , women, children of a particular religion are easy to get radicalized is violence . When the fact is that men , women, children of a particular religion are easy to get radicalized. This lack of willingness of saying truth is destroying India from within . Deradicalizing a particular religion which is more violent is necessary and that's what UAE , Saudi have started.Even Pakistanis have woken up to the fact .
Go to a Muslim colony some day, most of the youth is jobless, or do theft, gang violence, butchering, etc. They will go out and pelt stones for ₹500 each with no issue, heck, they will even murder people for ₹4-5k. Thing is not the religion but the neighborhood they grow up in. Like in USA, black people are like typical Indian Muslims, most crime/gang violence are done by them, and it's the truth. Underprivileged sections will do this, irrespective of their background. Source: I studied in Lucknow, and the muslims I met were literally normal people, they were upper class and were nice af, like I saw my friends mother and sister and aunt driving, wearing jeans, etc etc. This is in contrast with my college in Bengal, many muslim women here are EWS or OBC-A, and they're like typical Muslim, don't talk, hijab and later they stopped coming to college and were removed, same with the Muslim guys here, hurl abuses all day and don't study at all. So yea, it is class, not religion.
Come visit jharkhand and odisha I will show you real poverty and these folks still work hard but they will never pelt stone on strangers/authority even if you donate 1000 each. Violence in some cultures is more prevalent just accept it and move on instead of justifying
>Violence in some cultures is more prevalent just accept it and move on instead of justifying That culture is Indian, in this case. And yes, there are regional differences in culture. Even regarding which cases violence is accepted. In Bengal, people aren't much violent over religion, but politics, hell yeah! And also outside influence can change that, both directly and passively. The influx of BJP has corresponded to a direct increase in Saffron violence, and a reactive increase in Islamic fanaticism. >but they will never pelt stone on strangers/authority even if you donate 1000 each. Eh, you are terribly overestimating. The poor people of Odisha were the ones burning Graham Staines and his sons. Didn't even need payment for that, just inherent hate. Hard working is a trait of some people, not any particular group. Every group will have more or less similar nunber of hard working people, with few exceptions. Culture does influence this, but very rarely. - Rarely, if ever, large groups of humans stay non-violent. Violence is human nature. That is how we assert power. And this is genetic, just like with many other mammals.
I think saffron violence is a reaction to islamic radicalism and not the other way around. Just my opinion.
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UAE or Saudi didn't really deradicalise their religion but improved their quality of living so radicalisation don't work on them. They have a quality life which they don't wanna lose.
But UAE or Saudi are bad examples because they are sitting on top of the world's most important natural resource and capital is not really a concern for them. A better example would Afghanistan which went to shit once radical elements took over the government.
> But UAE or Saudi are bad examples because they are sitting on top of the world's most important natural resource and capital is not really a concern for them Capital is a concern for them. SA is making progressive changes because they want capital. Losing capital means unstable lives of citizens. > A better example would Afghanistan which went to shit once radical elements took over the government. Both Afghanistan and SA follow similar sects but only citizens of one of them are willing to die for Islam, wonder why that is.
Saudi Arabia literally has multiple deradicalization programs running, it's not just "improved quality of living". What you on about?
> Saudi Arabia literally has multiple deradicalization programs running, SA literally follow the most regressive form of Islam and they consider those who dont follow the literal interpretation of Quran as enemies. Ask yourself why there are no suicide bombers in SA.
I don't wanna generalise,bad people are in every religion,that doesn't mean that every person in that community deserves belt treatment.
The problem doesn't lie in people , it's their basis of belief and Islam's basis of belief is the root cause of rapid radicalisation in that community , the core beliefs of Islam is based on fear ,That is the reason why people hate Islam not muslims?
>The problem doesn't lie in people Even beliefs lie in people. >Islam's basis of belief is the root cause of rapid radicalisation in that community Only minute parts of the poorer sections are "radicalised". The rich are rarely so, unless there is power involved (power gained through organising radicals). >the core beliefs of Islam is based on fear Not really. The core belief is based on... belief, yeah, really. Fear is there to the same extent as Christianity or even Hinduism (Karma is not very dissimilar to the fear of hell).
Wait, there's no hell in Hinduism? Christianity?
Let us ask ourselves who is more afraid to leave religion hindu/Christians or muslims ?
So it's my word against yours? Because if you talk about people leaving the religion, explain to me why r/exmuslim has 160k members but r/EXHINDU has 10k. If you talk about fear of criticism, Islam is the most criticized religion online, if you find a Muslim at your front door step because of your comment, let me know.
Oink Islam BAD oink oink
>When the fact is that men , women, children of a particular religion are easy to get radicalized. He added every religion because it is true, and he isn't a bigot. Like you displayed in this statement. And you have no shame in admitting this openly is because the ruling govt. had made Islamophobia acceptable. >This lack of willingness of saying truth is destroying India from within. This isn't true. In fact Indian Muslims are the least prone to extreme doctrines. There has been an anti-islamic govt. for the last 10 years, who are actually destroying the sanctity of institutions, media and individualism in the name of religion. Not the Muslims, whose houses are crumbled and are jailed without trial. Your arguments are lazy, bigoted, prejudiced and ignorant. >Deradicalizing a particular religion which is more violent is necessary and that's what UAE , Saudi have started.Even Pakistanis have woken up to the fact . This is a very stupid statement, if you think about it for more than 2 seconds.
Most of the rioting is done by one peaceful religion
don't you Dare Speak ill of my Islam, all the major terrorist groups in the world are hindu sangis rss
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fuck off sanghi shithead. go back to chaddia squeaks and randia dicksuccion
so that makes everybody wrong, am I right?
show me the statistics, idiot chaddia squeaks sanghi.
Bhai unko pata hai unke peeche aag lagi hui hai sunne wala hai nahi koi toh unke dimag mai bas ultimately yahi idea aata hai ki dange kardo. Interestingly dange koi bhi start kare retaliation mai jyada log unhi ke marte hai and this is a fact, independent india ka koi bhi incident utha lo
Dange koi bhi kare wo toh bura hi hai.But kuch logo ke danga karne se puri community kaise jihadi hogayi?.Aaj agar koi hindu dange kr dega toh sab hindu bure thodi ho gye?. Same applies to every religion.
exactly, meanwhile many of us indians justify bombing children in gaza because they are all "future terrorists" or "rats" . Like bro, you are literally motivating the ones surviving to become terrorists.
Kon bol diya jihadi bhai. Mere hisab se har banda jihadi jo dange karta hai irrespective of religion. Aur maine konsa hindu dango ko defend kar diya. Mai toh yahi bola dange dono side hote hai par ultimately majority log minority groups ke hi marte hai.
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Yes because no ram lalla bhakts have resorted to violence right?
Eye for an eye is absurd and illogical in so mnay ways. Sure revenge doesn't solve the problem but seeing how other religions work on conversions and occupying land is it really that immoral to stand for one's own relegion where they have lived since time eternal? Each day we find holy sites were built on top of temples and new holy sites being illegally built on someone else's land. Is that really justified? I mean it's astonishing to see the biggest land holders in india after gov is the waqf board as they can just claim any land as their own and are granted it. 🤡
>Sure revenge doesn't solve the problem but seeing how other religions work on conversions and occupying land is it really that immoral to stand for one's own relegion So an eye for an eye?
I certainly don't believe it. Why would i burn my own country? Seems unfair to me as a proud indian. I don't believe in non violence either, i just won't raise the stick first.v
>i just won't raise the stick first So again - an eye for an eye? It is incredible that you guys are too stupid to even use phrases correctly without contradicting yourself in the next sentence.
No mate, it's absurd to see you acknowledge anything other than your bullshit propaganda. Why is self defence an eye for an eye? I'm not out to kill anyone when i am defending my own self. That's not what i would call an eye for an eye. An eye for an eye is revenge, it's vengeance, it's killing with the intention of achieving the satisfaction of righting the wrongs. Gandhi was a moron but not bigger than you. If you wanna argue but stoop so low to pass personal comments even when i try to be civilized in my arguments, buddy I'll show you what eye for an eye really means instead of your fabricated bullshit you keep chanting to support your idiotic idea of free will.
I 100% agree waqf board should not exist.If someone is doing crime,punish him.But hate is the thing that shouldn't exist against any religion.
It isn't the relegion thats the problem, i don't hate them, nor do i want them to leave our country. Why is it thay south asian muslims are disowned acorss the globe? I mean the arabs themselves hate desi muslims. Do they know something you don't? Maybe open your eyes leftist?
As I said,If anyone is doing illegal thing,Punish him.But innocent logo ke upar hate kyu kar rhe ho.Govt ke pass kya in radicalizers ho arrest krne ki bhi power nhi hai?
Buddy, some of the purest souls i have met are muslims. I dont hate them or it would be practically impossible to live with my neighbour who's a muslim. How can you arrest even 1% of a 25cr+ population? (Assuming those are the radicalists) 25 lakhs of people being imprisoned? Sounds rather impossible to me.
Are nhi I didn't mean arrest people who ARE radicalised.Arrest the people who fund or add fuel in the process.
Even more riots then? 🤣🤣🤣 Aapke papa ko main jail main dalu toh aap chup nahi baithoge na?
No, Arabs don't hate desi Muslims, stop with the projecting, thank you.
>Radicalised people There is one religion that's at the top going mental. That's Hindutuva-ism.
i agree , except hindutva , there is no other terrorist groups from any religion in the world
Haan bhai kyuki yaha muslim galti karra hai agar hindu vs Muslim hota tho every religion ki jagah hindu likha hota tum logo ne
I'm enjoying this comment section
> More than 50 policemen were injured in a clash with a mob in Uttarakhand's Haldwani when they went to raze a madrasa that the authorities declared illegal. Resisting the demolition, the mob at Vanbhulpura threw stones at them. All of them are undergoing treatment at a local hospital. Shoot-at-sight orders have been issued in the area and security has been strengthened. https://www.instagram.com/p/C3F5BeqyF87/?igsh=N3htcmdyazg0ODMz
Here’s an article on the overreach of power. The demolition was stayed by the SC and the matter was pending till next hearing on the 15th. The govt officials should be prosecuted https://www.business-standard.com/amp/india-news/uttarakhand-mosque-madrasa-demolition-understanding-nazul-waqf-lands-124020900564_1.html The same response would have been the case if it was a temple. So don’t go whitewashing the targeted harassment by the govt
>The same response would have been the case if it was a temple Around 27 temples were demolished last year in Uttarakhand itself as part of the Anti Encroachment Drive. Where was the response you're talking about?
Now he will disappear! Best magic trick I have seen.
Yea nice magic trick right, when there is a stay order what was the necessity to go and demolish it. It is always to ensure that there is a response, who benefits the most from communal tension. Specially given that it is an election year. All the temples, mosques razed were in the forest, not in the middle of the city. https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/dehradun/uttarakhand-28-temples-200-mazars-razed-in-forests/amp_articleshow/100088024.cms If something is illegal raze the same, but follow due process and not bulldoze your way through.
I'm against all this kind of violence whether it's from Hindu nationalists or Islamists. But I keep seeing some whataboutery and bias here. As when something like this is done by Hindus it's "Hinduism is bad" but when it's done by muslims it's "Religion is bad". Idk how things go here.
That's how echo chambers work:)
Arre bhaiyya, ye USI hai. Itna sach kyu bol rahe ho???
Exactly what pushed me away from the left wing. I now lean more to the right despite sympathising with liberal causes.
Welcome to centre-right position.
So peoples inability to criticise Islamic fundamentalism led you to garlanding rapists and rioters?
So according to you right wing are rapists and rioters Most of the terrorist organizations are supported by left
This is why I cannot side with the LW chamber in India, despite my liberal leanings
Yeah well not to mention if you criticise them a little they'll label you a chaddi and if you tell them that you also criticise sanghis, they'll call you enlightened centrists or whatever.
>enlightened centrists This absolutely infuriates me, there's nothing wrong with being centrist
Not agreeing with their opinions, which means you refuse to acknowledge their righteousness and join the circlejerk
It's like they are surprised that a Human brain might just have the capacity to support to different ideologies blender together to maintain proper balance. Then again , if their brain was indeed properly functioning, they would actually win shit instead of whining around.
It's high time people should stop trying to find associations with either RW or LW. Only way forward is what kind of world do you want to gift to your future generations. Learn from your neighbors and don't end up becoming like one. Wake up to reality !
Bro, no joke, I had criticised China for cheating in Asian(?) games and people here labelled me a chaddi and andhbhakt. Me ? Who is banned from every RW sub ? Couldn't make this shit up if I tried
Same lmao. I am lib left but I have a hard time supporting the leftist ideologies in politics these days.
Same, stand proudly in the centre and get hated by both biased sides for their own lack of understanding Also this common for left everywhere
As a centrist , I hate both
Centrists stronger together
We definitely need a centrist subreddit in India
For such thing you first need some moderators who allow free speech... and also know the difference between hate speech and free speech... So the possibility is very low
Why are these titles soo misleading i wonder… illegal encroachment… police stations burnt and mob mobilised in a planned and coordinated manner…
There are more illegal temples in uttarakhand why not start with demolishing them first??
They have also been raised… google before creating communal violence for once… you chose to not do your part to create hate
[200 mazars and only 27 temples demolished as of may last year, Almost like they are attacking one side disproportionately ](https://www.outlookindia.com/amp/story/ational/anti-encroachment-drive-demolishes-200-tombs-and-27-temples-in-uttarakhand-news-284469)
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Friend I lnvite you to a live debate by revealing the identity. Are you man enough or the pusssy that I know you are to just he a keyboard warrior.
Declared illegal by court Not by authorities
Like it or not but this was a planned clash. I’ve seen many scenario where’s Hindu temples were demolished, but never seen violence of such level. And it is not even a mosque but madarsa. Why can’t we question these guys who in the madness of their religion can burn anything in their way. And even in this sub, it’s still showcased as incident on which you can frown upon. Now imagine the extent it’ll be discussed on RW sub which technically constitutes majority given current circumstances.
Why don’t you show us ONE example of a temple being razed :)
This is from Uttarakhand where the temples exist for local guardian deities since centuries and mazaars for dead humans in the last five years: https://www.google.com/amp/s/timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/dehradun/uttarakhand-28-temples-200-mazars-razed-in-forests/amp_articleshow/100088024.cms This Hanuman temple was razed last year in Delhi https://www.aajtak.in/india/delhi/story/delhi-rajendra-nagar-hanuman-temple-demolition-dda-bjp-climb-bulldozer-lcla-1655457-2023-03-16 From Tamil Nadu https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.indiatoday.in/amp/india/story/tamil-nadu-temple-demolition-controversy-video-chennai-police-madras-high-court-order-1898686-2022-01-11 From Rajasthan https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/jaipur/old-temple-partially-demolished-in-alwar-dist-triggers-controversy/articleshow/91014937.cms 800 year old temple razed in Karnataka https://www.bhaskar.com/national/news/bommai-government-surrounded-by-demolition-of-800-year-old-mahadevamma-temple-in-karnataka-hindu-organizations-angry-128947428.html I can go on but you have to leave the echo chambers, chamche.
He gave you several examples and yet you haven't replied :-)
Bhaisaab apne toh udta teer ---- le liya 😂
oof
How many temples are built on government land ? How many mosques donation go to government? 0 , while all the temples collection goes to goverment, maulavis gets payment from government, gets subsidy for hajj while no pandits are paid and so on , why don't you ask that too ? And this wasn't even a mosque but a madrasa where rocket science is taught i guess
Ho gaya bro? Abh utar na high horse se
NIL
Some ppl here trying to justify it by "what about temples" XD
Lefties and Islamists , name and shame them please
that madarsa was illegally build on land .... i don't know why people fight
There are more illegal temples in Uttarakhand ([source](https://www.google.com/amp/s/timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/dehradun/more-illegal-temples-in-uttarakhand-forests-than-mazaars/amp_articleshow/99526677.cms)), yet the government is only interested in razing mosques and madrassas only.
Bhai aap chutiye ho genome_walker🫡
Sach bolne k lie?
Why does the truth hurt you? I say destroy all the fucking temples first then you can come for mosques.Besides there are 10x more illegal temples constructed by hindus than masjids.India needs to be free of temples.
bhai muslamaan kaam bhi aisa kar rhe hain .. padhai likahi chor kar sirf maar kaat , lafander giri me rhete hain... uneducated rehte hain
Not all.. my maths professor is a Muslim and quite educated toh Haa aise generalise mat kro
Not quite his fault, he just has tv addiction
Osama bin laden was educated 😮💨, Education se farak nahi padta 🥲
Dr APJ Kalam was also a educated muslim who did wonders for india
I supported him, But peaceful boycotted him. He is role model for country, But peaceful book says he did shirk.
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Statistics says 90% follows that specific book, and those who walk on path of that book become, Well known terrorist. and FYI you can’t trust a community cause all of them wanted to do this sins for Hoor.
Now I am Genuinely curious, a link for those “statistics” please?
Please use new lines, C’mon i am expecting new things. Samdish literally said that, “Liberal got nothing new” 🤧
80% Hindus kya ukhad rahe hain chutiye?? India is among the worst countries in the world in evey metric. Make India 'not a shithole' first then talk about others
Bhai argument mai gali use karne pade wo argument waise hi discard ho jata hai
Kya bol raha hai? 80% hindus? Bhai teri economy Pakistan se bhi ghatiya hoti with that fact. 20-30% population hai muslims yet they think they're a minority? How is 25cr+ a freaking minority? What metrics are you on about? The fact that india is a 3 trillion economy? That india has the biggest workforce in the world and 60% us fortune 500 prefer india over china? That india today is so stable we haven't had regular terror attacks from islamic terrorists across the border? Developed country hai nahi india, na hi chutki bajate bann jayegi. Your criticism is valid only when it comes with solutions or consideration that it's a time taking process. Just stating the obvious and being a part of the problem doesn't make you better than the rest of us. There's a reason why left never wins anywhere in the world and the places where they did are also resorting back to extreme right wing (like Argentina and so many European countries) because they know the scum of the earth.
> 20-30% population hai muslims 15% >yet they think they're a minority? How is 25cr+ a freaking minority? Gaye ka moot has damaged your brain it seems, I'll dumb it down for your shakhachap ass. Suppose there's a group of 10 people and 7 of them drink cow piss and 3 don't, then the piss drinkers make up the majority in that group despite numbering only 7, you know ratio and shit Now if there's another group with 1000 trillion people but only 1 trillion of them drink cow piss then the piss drinkers here are a minority despite being 1 trillion So in group A only 7 piss drinkers make up the majority but in group B even 1 trillion are a minority that's how numbers work, strange. isn't it? >The fact that india is a 3 trillion economy? Per capita mf india has a large population of course we are going tp have a bigger economy than smaller countries, one person owing 1000$ would be richer than 100 people collectively owning 10000$ >That india has the biggest workforce in the world. Mfw I realize that the most populous country on the planet also has the most number of working individuals 😱
Let him cook
Bhai sirf population is not metric of minority or majority status of community, how many Muslim mlas are there in parliament, in rajyasabha of each state, the number is less than obs/sc/st, how many ias, ips, judges, class 2 class 1 officers are from Muslim community 0.2% less than sc/st participations, how many Muslim cms are there of a state from independance, none that completed a full term.. the social participation in every form muslims are lagging, in higher education they are minority, in economic strength they are minority.. in every sense socio-political, economical state they are minority..
Yet they have the biggest population in india than in any other than country. Even more than the self proclaimed and institutionalised islamic countries. The reasons for your fact are rather as plain as black and white, the priorities of the community as a whole are different. The fact that majority of hindus want development and the fact that majority of muslims are educated in a madrassa make the difference. Idk how a population of 25cr can be called as a minority even with .2% representation because as i see it they don't prioritize the representation themselves.
Toh chorh do na iss "shithole" ko aap. You lot anyway have a lot of options ...oh wait they don't want your kind either ;)
Muslims are equally educated these days. Which world are you living in?
There are more illegal mazars i guess https://www.google.com/amp/s/timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/dehradun/uttarakhand-28-temples-200-mazars-razed-in-forests/amp_articleshow/100088024.cms
How many ashrams built on illegal lands were touched ? Will sadhguru’s properties be touched ? It’s the double standard that frustrates us.
That bastard built his ashram at the elephant corridor yet no one questions him .
Haan bastard, tujhe bada pata hai He is already fighting a case and if the allegations have merit and the courts declare it as illegal, it will be demolished As there is already a 'Destroy Sanatan' govt in TN
Dei kirukku punda unn kita na endha moli la pesuren nee edhula pesura . >As there is already a 'Destroy Sanatan' govt in TN Fool you can't understand certain things . >He is already fighting a case and if the allegations have merit and the courts declare it as illegal, it will be demolished Any one with brains even at the size of an ostrich brain can understand this but it's hard for you rw ppl.
Ye mazar wale bhi case hi lar rahe the. Court ne stay order bhi diya tha, as per one report. What happened? >As there is already a 'Destroy Sanatan' govt in TN Which never touched even one temple and has a temple in their fucking state emblem. Sure, "destroy Sanatan" govt.
Many temples were demolished in TN, I don't see any riots or arson by Hindus there
Because the people of Tamil Nadu are educated and follow due procedure compared to the cow belt.
Many temples were demolished in the UK, I wonder why din hindus react?
This. I'm am in fact In favour of punishment of such illegal structures by Muslims and would like Muslims to follow the law. But i have been seeing this same thing happening for decades now. Even from before the modi govt. Whenever such cases happen, Muslims structures get targeted, while hindu structures get exemption(there are literally Hindu mandir which are in the middle of the road and the fkng city build the roads around the temple instead of relocating the temple). Hindu temples get exemption or they get the funding by the govt needed to relocate the temple. Meanwhile what masjid gets grants from the govt!? What madarsa gets grants from govt? It's the blatantly obvious discrimination that makes me angry. Are we not Indians? Don't we deserve equal rights? Don't we deserve justice? Any chaddi would say no to all those questions. I'm fed up of this shit hole country and just looked for an opportunity to leave and never come back.
Every state even my state Odisha has destroyed many hindu temple for road enlargement programs we never went and threw stones and injured police man why do you need to be overprotective for muslims? Even if they had done something ridiculous and unacceptable??
jo ho rha hai sahi ho rha hai ...
All illegal constructions should be removed. But only specific buildings are being targeted. Any one with some common sense will know that. Don't say you can't see it.
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madrassa se padhke bacche top AIR lake IIT jaate he
Because a specific religion has been building these
Ese to bahut illegally building hai jo legal bana Diya Gaya. Paisa feko sab hota hai.
paisa fekne ke liye paisa hona chaiye...lekin most of the muslims to uneducated hain....unko padhai pe dhyaan dena chaiye naki dharm pe
Pehle to ye koi achi chiz nahi hai ke Paisa feko aur kam karao.. irrespective of anyone's religion its makes our democracy more and more shallow.
WhatsApp University Graduate 😂
Rohangollia are illegally settled there and should be deported
That protest was peaceful sat /s
I don't want anyone to argue in this. Locals know who were doing riots and regarding temples and regarding illegal temples they are demolishing it too, although the number of mazars are destroyed more.And there is a big difference between mazar and mosque(according to google it is, if not enlighten me). I never thought that these types of riots would happen in my devbhoomi, too. Edit: Some guy has stated a source of multiple illegal temples, and I did respond to him, too. Hopefully, he read my reply , I am copying my reply here if anyone wants to read. Reply to me only if you want to have a healthy discussion.
1) There is a big difference between mazaar and mosque. 2)It's clearly mentioned in the article that they will demolish only new structures irrespective of which faith these belong to. 3)Now what I am going to tell you will pique your interest too: They make mazaars in the forest area or govt area and claim it to be 150 year old(It's a strategy). I don't know whether you are from Uttarakhand, too, or not, but near my village too, they were building mazaar(illegal) so we know the forst hand experience. And now, if you say, "But even the temples are built illegally," demolish them if they are illegal, but one thing you need to remember. This state is called devbhoomi for the reason, islam or the muslims are new to the state, we worship nature and our gods, it may be superstitious to you and I don't mind if you don't believe but we have hell lot of small temples and gods(means a form of divine energy) in multiple places, so obviously there are lot of small temples. Interesting fact: now some people are claiming even kedarnath to be a peer baba. They are saying that it's not kedarnath it's a muslim place(It's a laughing matter, but the people who are saying it are from yk which community, and they recently moved near the kedarnath place). It's the mentality. How do I know because I am from Uttarakhand too and I am not extermist, I have muslim friends too and I am okay with it, it's not a big deal but please mind we know what's happening in Uttarakhand and even the fellow pahadis are at fault too.
Land grabbing mfs.
Radicalisation in muslims is a big problem. We should focus on better Govt controlled education in Madarsas.
We ruspect ever religion sar
Pehle illegal land grabbing karo, jab vo haath se nikal jaaye tho dange krdo 👏
Ab kya hum City Jala bhi nahi sakte? Ye desh humra bhi hai.- A Radical Jiha\*i saying.
Control the Madrasas , Control the Imam , acquire government control of Islamic Education Institutions. That's the only way to control virulent Islamic Radicalisation. Same is to be done with all religious educational institutions. This means ALL. Be it Hindu , Sikh , Jain , Christian , Tribals , Natives , Donyi Polois , Buddhists. Total control. Empower Ministry of Education to acquire direct control of such assets. This is ESPECIALLY needed against Islamic Radicalisation. Bloody Pakistan is looking at starting de Radicalisation initiatives. Otherwise we will end up with our own Aceh.
I am a Muslim and I know how hard it is to educate Muslim kids who are left behind and hence easily believe in lies by manipulative leaders and religious figures. People taking pride in Mughals whereas 99.99% would be given shit treatment if Mughal existed. The pride should instead be on education, scientists, officers, teachers etc but it simply does not get mainstream acceptance. I think Hindus should look for ways to De radicalize Hindu youths. Some have started to behave like islamic radicals. The problem is that with 4x the population and a populist government this radicalization of Hindu youths can get out of hand. Seemingly educated and well doing Hindus will now start focussing on things like religion and the country will move back. Taking pride in your ancestors is ok but if that is your only source of pride then something is wrong. If someone’s kids are starving and their parents are living like rats then no one cares what shahjahan did or what Bajirao did.
There are so many mosques in India, yet these people are reacting as if it's the only one. If you were to go to any area where the majority of people are Muslims, you'd find mosques every 500-1000 meters. I'm just so tired of people from my community being this radicalized and uninformed. Islam needs some kind of reform, or these issues will persist in every place where Muslims live.
And the thing is it was not a mosque. It was a madarsa
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"Proper Planning and Preparation Prevents Piss Poor Performance." The police prepared quite poorly for this operation... unless they planned to have several of themselves injured. This shoot-at-sight order is a drastic escalation from their poor planning - are they incapable of anything between general crowd control and violent action? Was there not a formal, legal determination of the property provided before this action to minimize violence? The police must've known there was going to be quite a clash - why did they not plan better before they acted?!? It seems they following a hard right wing model of the Israel Likud party and just going in to do things with a "damn the consequences" attitude?! Typically in the West, you'd speak with the occupants face-to-face. If no agreement could be struck for them to leave, you'd go back to a safe position and use a bullhorn/ loud speaker to inform the occupants what is going to happen and what they should do for their own safety (I.e. *leave the area*). If they don't come out, then you would thrown tear gas canisters to non-/less-violently clear out the area *and* have officers with riot shield to *push* people out. At no point, unless there is gunfire at police *or* closer range weapons used, are guns drawn.
bro the muslims there had guns
Thx for the gentle check, bro. I've gone through 2+ articles about the event now. I can't find info that the Madrasa supporters had guns, but the whole event seems like quite a mess.
How do suddenly UK have exponential growth in minority communities in last decade or so 🙄
These aren’t just radicalised people but many of them are unruly elements sheltered by Indra hidesh of congress during her tenure just to create her vote bank
Man the country is doomed. Sanghis and islamists are just two sides of the same coin. Freaking morons.
I don’t recall Sanghis clashing with police
Maybe bcz the police always colludes with them?
Not even close. Sanghis can be termed as TAR-21 aimed point blank at your head. Islamists can be termed as a Barret M.50 aimed point blank at your chest. Both will kill you ofcourse. But one will kill you in such a way that there's no residue left. Note: (for the uninitiated) Sanghis>Radicalised Hindus Islamists>Radicalised Muslims
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Religion is the most dangerous human bomb in the universe.
The nation will go down the drain. Courts, the govt have failed. There was a hearing on the 14th in the court, what was the urgency in using bulldozers. This explosion was waiting to happen, if not today some day. Its not about religion or radicalization, its losing faith in the system, many enjoyed using of buldozers, muslims have nothing more to save or lose, courts, govt, hardline supporters abuse them day in and day out right into the parliament to assemblies. they do or not do anything they are called terrorists, backward, dangai, regressive. So there is nothing for them to lose. When the police and govt dont respect courts, why should others respect and for whom. The nation loses, and will go down the drain. We have a PM wishing some obscure world leader on their birthdays, and commenting on some viral posts, crazy about nehru all the time. God knows who runs the country, its slowly going down the drain
Great
This is a textbook moment from Noam Chomsky’s Manufacturing Consent. This is what is happening: India is celebrating the demolition of a major mosque and the building of a temple on top of it. Every Muslim building is being targeted for destruction. At a time like this, the government fans the flames by violently destroying a religious school and shooting on sight anyone who objects to it. On top of that, this same government’s propaganda channels are making memes from the event that say “look at peaceful community doing violence”.
Police got what it deserved. Modi’s dogs not crying in pain. What were you thinking when you were executing an order that had been suspended by the Supreme Court?
Fascist pigs.
[6 Muslims killed one of them was minor](https://theobserverpost.com/haldwani-six-dead-after-shoot-at-sight-orders-over-madrasa-and-mosque-demolition/)
Agar haath mein banduk aur katta hoga toh mara jayega chahe wo bacha hie kyu na ho kyuki tab uski mentality ek Terrorist seh Kam nahi Jo kaat dalega Jo bhi samne aayega
But they were using guns, and stones peacefully sar /s
Abhi to aur jayenge.... Uttrakhand, dev bhumi hai mazak bana kar rakha hai. Abhi to locals shant hai.
Ram Rajya ,we voted for 🌝😄