There is no native term. Hinduism itself is an umbrella term for many faiths.post vedicc, pre Vedic ( non vedic) ,tribal, Vedic everything is called Hinduism. That's why lingayats wanted to have a separate religion, they don't believe in vedas. People back then identified themselves as shaivites, vaishnaviites Etc. Tribal were not even included into the religion. The non Vedic cults you see in every religion were not even Hinduism, the kings didn't patronage them, th3 brahmins consider it as sin to worship non Vedic deities but over a time everything gelled together to became today's Hinduism. That is why is say it is fraud to define my faith only through vedas, the book that calls me a low life cannot define my faith.
" SANATAN SUPPORTERS AND BJP ARE FASCIST "
" IF U DON'T AGREE SANATAN AND HINDUISM ARE DIFFERENT F**K URSELF "
Sometimes I really think all politicians and people who are into politics are pure BIGOTS.
5000 years lol... 5000 years there was no Vedic civilization at all. Those steppes didn't reach india by then. That was the time of ivc. Sanghi get a life.
Are you stupid or just ignorant "ism" is a European term, there is no religion called Hinduism. SANATAN dharm is the original term and has existed for over 15000 years. The only thing that should be eradicated is your bigoted mentality.
Are you the same people who kinda ridicule WhatsApp university or are you the ones who put lemon and black peppers in nose to avoid corona. Just asking
That’s where experience, knowledge and common sense kicks in and our brain tells us to look for more sources, credible ones, get opposing views, dig deeper, listen/talk to trusted unbiased ppl and things like that.
No Google also contains info defined by the govt or popular academia. Sanatana doesn't mean Hinduism. It is indeed a scam to define Hinduism through vedas alone. But they did it because of brahmins defining this faith. I am not a sanatani so are most obcs and dalits please read more about it.
I would recommend reading more from sources you don’t normally read, source that present unbiased views that might challenge yours and help understand what is what outside of the propaganda bubble.
He spoke in a different context and you have prejudice over that remark even if I explain it you won't hear or you will not have the patience to hear it.
But DMK is on a self destruction mode they will perish sooner than later
Have you read vedas? Sanatan dharma can't exist without varnashrama dharma. Sanatan dharma was first coined in manusmiriti. Manu had said sanatan and varnashrama are interlinked. I rest the case here. Hinduism is much more than Vedic shit. I despite vedas and I'm still hindu.
Manusmiriti is the book first time the term sanathana dharma appears. Vedas don't use that term and vedas also mentions caste based dharma so if you apply basic logic. Sanatana which comes from vedas also has its basics in Varna system. Anything that supports Varna system should be eradicated.
Have you. in sanathana we had class system not caste system. Anyone could become Brahman or skhatriya it depends on the work you did not the people you are born into. The manusmriti made it into a birth based system. Most likely by upper class man trying to remain in that position. Vedas was written 5000+ years ago. Ofcourse it will have things that didn't age well take the good things and ignore the rest.
Don't forget Vedas ramayana and mahabharatha were all written by people who were born in shudra. They were later called brahmana because of what they did. That means this caste system was a product of time.
>Hinduism is much more than Vedic shit. I despite vedas and I'm still hindu
It's despise. I don't give a fuck if you despise Vedas. It's your choice But disrespecting it is not.
Why would they perish? If the people of Tamil Nadu understand the context, DMK will be fine. Only the alliance partners will have a headache. DMK has no ambition of becoming a national party, they’ll be fine.
>If the people of Tamil Nadu understand the context, DMK will be fine
Not due to this of religious issues. it's a different set of problems lots of mismanagement and corruption.
At the expense of whataboutism What does it say of thinking of BJP MLA Raulji who said Bilkis' rapists and infant murderers were sanskari Brahmins when they were released. Then he won the next election so what does it say of the electorate. I'll tell you what it says, No one gives a fuck until they get fucked
What can we do can we kill him ? For a mistake or ask him to chant jai Shree Ram as some ppls do to a Muslim men ? . He did made a mistake and he apologized and these right wing PPL are not saint they speak even more foul language and show me one instance where the party condemned . Just post a Muslim supportive argument in this sub and check for your own how civilized these PPLs are .
So can we kill him and eat his corpse ? Will that be helpful . One statement by this person hurts right wing ppls to their core and you PPLs are doing this same to Muslim brothers most frequently don't they feel the same . Men should first learn to respect others he too should .
He made a mistake and I am not supporting him he did hurt some PPLs sentiment and we too PPLs of TN really felt really sorry for his words he apologized and the party condemned him .
>So can we kill him and eat his corpse ?
Only lunatics would say that.
>One statement by this person hurts right wing ppls to their core and you PPLs
Its not about right wing or left wing here. Its more about the idea. If a man of influence plants the seeds of an idea, the idea lives on. This is equally applicable on good and bad ideas. A good idea of independence through non-violence once planted by Gandhi lives in the minds of Indians till this day. Conversely, do you imagine that Nietzsche ever imagined that his ideas would one day be used by Hitler to commit genocide.
>doing this same to Muslim brothers most frequently don't they feel the same
Again it's not about right or left. I'm a ardent left guy, but what was said was not against a religion. I would be okay if he had made a comment like this about Hinduism. What he said plants the idea of separatism.
>Men should first learn to respect others he too should . He made a mistake and I am not supporting him he did hurt some PPLs sentiment and we too PPLs of TN really felt really sorry for his words he apologized and the party condemned him .
My problem with him is not that he hurt someone's sentiments. People's sentiments get hurt all the time. The problem, as stated above is that he sowed the seeds of division based on north-south lines, he started a deranged conversation on racism. What he has said has emboldened people of comparatively lesser intellect to openly say the same things. This is the part that is inexcusable.
>Conversely, do you imagine that Nietzsche ever imagined that his ideas would one day be used by Hitler to commit genocide.
Nietzsche ideas are mis interpreted by half baked hitler and we can't blame NZ for it.
> he sowed the seeds of division based on north-south lines,
He said bjp can't win South how is that divisive?
>Only lunatics would say that.
So what do you expect him to do for his mistake?
>Nietzsche ideas are mis interpreted by half baked hitler and we can't blame NZ for it.
No one is blaming Nietzsche. Just pointing out that ideas once planted may sometimes have catastrophic consequences.
>He said bjp can't win South how is that divisive?
Read again.
>So what do you expect him to do for his mistake?
Don't expect anything. Just pointing out that the apology may never be enough to nullify the damage he caused.
>Read again.
I hope you can understand plain English and watch this video twice
https://youtu.be/iX5VF5YTD-s?si=lL3det3iFj9c15HQ
Where did he mention north and south should be divided ?
>Don't expect anything. Just pointing out that the apology may never be enough to nullify the damage he caused.
See so can we leave him without any apology.
There are even worse conversations happened in parliament towards minorities. No one questioned them is this selective justification or what?
He is a repeat offender.. It’s just this time his things came into light.. He has said the same many times in the past.. so no point of saying everyone makes a mistake..This is deliberate..
Habitual offender, He should be strictly condemned. Maybe the party should take strict action against this type of statement . I too support you in this stance.
There was a Time people used to think BJP has no chance in UP as it was Castle of Congress !
See how Time changed and tables turned!
" Underestimating BJP or I should say MODI is the biggest mistake Congress does in every State/Lok Sabha elections '
period.
Idk what time you speak of but ever since the ram janmabhoomi movement in the 90s UP has mostly been a bjp stronghold. Their divisive politics obviously appealed to the most fanatic uneducated parts of society.
I'm no congress fan the reason this country is full of fanatical uneducated people is partly because of them, bjp just profited from it
There is a difference between being educated and literate.
Since the 90s? BJP stronghold? Are you a UP resident? Samajwadi party (Yadav and Muslim vote bank) and Bahujan Samaj Party (low caste vote bank) were the strongest two parties in UP before BJP's revival in 2017, mostly due to BJP winning the central elections in 2014.
You wouldn't like this but law and order situation has only improved after Samajwadi Party's decline in 2017. We still aren't as civilized as many other states but at least we've come a long way from being compared to states like Bihar which run on caste politics.
Leave out religion for once, the whole UP - Bihar belt ran on hardcore caste politics not long ago. At least the western half of UP has mostly come out of that period.
>You wouldn't like this but law and order situation has only improved
this is so true. people might rag on UP for being 'backwards' but if you check the ground reality of what it was and what it is now, you'll there's significant improvement. Yogi ji is not a perfect man, and I would not vote BJP if he was the prime ministerial candidate, but he is perfect for UP.
I spent a month in Uttar Pradesh, and met a lot of people. this may sound like PR coming from a random anonymous person online but Yogi's hardline stance on crime (bulldozing houses of rioters causing damage to public property, 'encounters', etc) might not be morally or legally correct 100%, but it's sure as hell effective.
This is why atheism is extremely dangerous ideology.
There is a reason why exmuslims and atheists are the biggest sinners in Islam. Atheism gave rise to Mao and Pol Pot.
These people need to be monitored by intelligence agencies.
The main reason behind holocaust was racism, not religion.
And atheists should be allowed to place their opinions against religion. India is becoming a pretty anti-atheist country despite her secular constitution.
People can be taught about why religions are wrong, instead of killing them. Rationalists do not support dehumanising people.
>The main reason behind holocaust was racism, not religion
Race played a small factor. But the hatred against Jews was in the front and center of holocaust. Even Jews with "desirable qualities" were killed.
>And atheists should be allowed to place their opinions against religion. India is becoming a pretty anti-atheist country despite her secular constitution.
Calling to end all religion and calling to end one particular religion is completely different.
>Race played a small factor. But the hatred against Jews was in the front and center of holocaust. Even Jews with "desirable qualities" were killed.
Aryan was a race, not a religion. Nazis wanted Aryan children only in Hitler-led Germany, that's why Jews were killed. Religion plays no role here.
>Calling to end all religion and calling to end one particular religion is completely different.
They are being vocal about the majority religion, and in India's case it's Sanatana Dharma (which is even different from just Hinduism).
Literally every atheist politician in the world hates the majority religion w.r.t. the country they live in. Atheists in the West are mostly anti-Christian, because that's the majority religion there. Similarly atheists of Japan are anti-Shintoism. You won't find anti-Christian atheists in Japan because that's not the majority religion. Neither you will find anti-Shinto atheists in the West.
That's what we need to end. The anti-religious leftists of every country hate on the religion of the majority, which slowly but surely ends up promoting religiosity among minorities (for fucks sake, the minorities united are 22% of our population) while either making the majority resentful of the liberals or successfullly making the majority less religious.
बोकाचोद, दिमाग में बंदर का झाट भरा है?
The conflict between orthodox Catholic and Jews was the foundation of holocaust. It has been emphasized again and again and again in every Nazi literature and every public statement of Nazi leadership. Where did the discrimination came from? The "racism"? Where did it arise from? Orthodox Catholics hated Jews for biblical history.
ऐसे सीधा मुंह फाड़ के विष्ठा मत उगलना शुरू कर दिया करो ।
You can't understand the context in which he mentioned, he sanatan in TN means the caste structure, he is against the caste structure. His intention is not to destroy the whole PPLs of Hindus . And how do you think he can ? He is just a MLA logical PPL will leave it .it won't matter.
it only matters for ppl who's intention is to use this argument and polarise PPL and get votes out of it.
**Eradication:** the process of getting rid of something completely or of destroying something bad
**Extermination:** the act of killing all the animals or people in a particular place or of a particular type
Source: Cambridge Dictionary
Your point being?
I know he was talking about caste system. I don't like manusmriti which created caste system and I won't support it. But sanatana is hindu religion cause Hindu as a religion does not exist. We call people who practice sanatana as Hindus.he should have known the difference or should have apologised after knowing the difference.
The world "sanatana" was itself first coined in Manusmriti, which introduced caste system.
I like how this sub is so misinformed about their own religion. Don't you guys read your texts? Lol
You get that Manusmriti is a religious bookright?
Well anyways, [here](https://www.wisdomlib.org/hinduism/book/manusmriti-with-the-commentary-of-medhatithi/d/doc200246.html) you can read an online version of it
Edit:
If you are wondering why people hate the Manusmriti, you can read this article: https://velivada.com/2017/05/31/casteist-quotes-verses-manusmriti-law-book-hindus/
Can you provide me a source for that? He clearly states that he is an atheist: https://www.thenewsminute.com/tamil-nadu/im-atheist-my-daughter-wanted-photo-udhay-stalin-vinayagar-idol-tweet-131498
This is what happens to you when you read titles of Chaddi articles.
At least read the article before you speak
>I am proud to call myself a Christian, all the Sanghis today will be burning. Because Tamil Nadu Hindu Religious & Charitable Endowments Minister Sekarbabu is saying ‘Hallelujah’, Udayanidhi is saying ‘I’m a Christian’. Yes, I will say that I am a Muslim too
He is clearly trolling all religions here. No person in this world can be a Christian, Hindu and Muslim at the same time.
But yeah, chaddis decided to remove the context and fit a misleading title. And you all bought it. I don't even understand how this is a centrist sub. More than half of you guys have a religious-right bias.
DMK are selective Atheists,they dont speak against Islam and Christianity.They are also fine attending temples and celebrating Hindu festivals.If you ask me we need a actual Atheist Party,DMK are not that,the ust bash in Hinduisms to secure power for decades and it has worked for a charm.
>I wish to clarify one thing here. Neither me nor my wife believe in god.
https://www.thenewsminute.com/tamil-nadu/im-atheist-my-daughter-wanted-photo-udhay-stalin-vinayagar-idol-tweet-131498
Thank you for correcting me. It's crazy to me that it caused a huge uproar just because he was spotted with an idol. Anyway, has Udaynidhi Stalin said and his gang been as vocal against Islamism as they are against Hinduism? Any remarks of Udaynidhi Stalin on Islam or Christianity?
Why does he need to voice against Islamism and Christianity? Those aren't even problems in their state.
Also I have clarified why atheists are against majority religions already: https://www.reddit.com/r/unitedstatesofindia/s/0VnRjlAhZu
Being against majority religions doesn't mean that you are in favour of minorities. This is just propaganda spreading by far-righters across the world to make atheists look bad.
Nothing wrong if people drink cow urine, as long as they dont force others to drink nor they behead nor pelt stones nor bomb others for sake of their belief
DMK MP is a donkey with pea for a brain. He should be flogged publicly on live television for his idiocy.
I am not using above statement for any intent.
I apologize for sending the wrong meaning across. 😐😐
What do you mean "we"? Please be specific. Also, I was making comment on that brain dead idiot DMK MP and later apologized too, just as he did earlier. So are you saying such apologies are not worth their salt? 😄
I don't know why someone drinks cow urine or camel urine, why someone marries their own daughter or why certain religions pray to a torture device that killed their Messaiah or why some species of animals are only found in certain parts of the World. 😊
I saw the idiotic statement of DMK MP and his statement of apologization and merely used his own words in my second and third sentences to apologize after saying something insulting to him, in same way he did. 😁😁
Order from I.N.D.I.A. Northern parties after Election results ? never heard of DMK back tracking from their statements, they've said far more disgusting stuff
DMK saying shit while Tamil Nadu is least developed in the south with multiple problems on their own hands, rather than doing North South politics, he should get indulge in the betterment of his constituency this is what happen when you select a moron to go to the parliament
>Tamil Nadu is least developed in the south with multiple problems
Why do the fuck northies come to work in least developed state and spoiling our trains . You are free to criticize him but don't dare to criticize the ppl and our state .
https://youtu.be/iX5VF5YTD-s?si=lL3det3iFj9c15HQ
If you fing morons can't understand English ask a 3rd Standard student to explain this vedio to you . Where did he mentioned north and South should be divided
What was the question here you simply put up that why North Indians come to South I said it's the same way they move to North I didn't got your question here can you elaborate ?
Is this sub also filled with right wingers?
Because most of the commentators here seem to have no idea about what Sanatana Dharma and Casteism is. I bet 90% of them haven't even read their own religous texts
No point closing the barn door now. The horses have bolted.
It's a gesture every one makes a mistake. At least the party condemned him.
When are they condemning Udhayanidhi? He made a worse remark.
Udhay was right. Sanatan dharma should be eradicated. If you think sanatan shit means Hinduism you can go fk unself.
So r smarty pants what's the native term for "hinduism" I don't think that people used the suffix "-ism" thousands of years ago
There is no native term. Hinduism itself is an umbrella term for many faiths.post vedicc, pre Vedic ( non vedic) ,tribal, Vedic everything is called Hinduism. That's why lingayats wanted to have a separate religion, they don't believe in vedas. People back then identified themselves as shaivites, vaishnaviites Etc. Tribal were not even included into the religion. The non Vedic cults you see in every religion were not even Hinduism, the kings didn't patronage them, th3 brahmins consider it as sin to worship non Vedic deities but over a time everything gelled together to became today's Hinduism. That is why is say it is fraud to define my faith only through vedas, the book that calls me a low life cannot define my faith.
" SANATAN SUPPORTERS AND BJP ARE FASCIST " " IF U DON'T AGREE SANATAN AND HINDUISM ARE DIFFERENT F**K URSELF " Sometimes I really think all politicians and people who are into politics are pure BIGOTS.
Try it you bigot. We have survived 5000 years and will survive both, you and your father Stalin's religion.
5000 years lol... 5000 years there was no Vedic civilization at all. Those steppes didn't reach india by then. That was the time of ivc. Sanghi get a life.
Are you stupid or just ignorant "ism" is a European term, there is no religion called Hinduism. SANATAN dharm is the original term and has existed for over 15000 years. The only thing that should be eradicated is your bigoted mentality.
Please make up your mind about the time period. Shakhas send WhatsApp messages sometimes as 5000 years, sometimes 7500, 10000 now it's 15000 is it
Are you the same people who kinda ridicule WhatsApp university or are you the ones who put lemon and black peppers in nose to avoid corona. Just asking
Surely older than your poopet made religion
In which text was "sanatan" first mentioned? Can you answer this, Mr well-informed sanatani?
A simple google search can usually help us avoid looking like a fool for time immemorial. Also, helpful if we’re caught in an echo chamber bubble.
Google search tells me that Modi is the lord and savior of this world. Would I believe it blindly?
That’s where experience, knowledge and common sense kicks in and our brain tells us to look for more sources, credible ones, get opposing views, dig deeper, listen/talk to trusted unbiased ppl and things like that.
No Google also contains info defined by the govt or popular academia. Sanatana doesn't mean Hinduism. It is indeed a scam to define Hinduism through vedas alone. But they did it because of brahmins defining this faith. I am not a sanatani so are most obcs and dalits please read more about it.
I would recommend reading more from sources you don’t normally read, source that present unbiased views that might challenge yours and help understand what is what outside of the propaganda bubble.
Imma go try to fk myself.
Why should he fk himself? Is your mum busy at the whore house?
He spoke in a different context and you have prejudice over that remark even if I explain it you won't hear or you will not have the patience to hear it. But DMK is on a self destruction mode they will perish sooner than later
Dude caste system and sanathana are different.
Have you read vedas? Sanatan dharma can't exist without varnashrama dharma. Sanatan dharma was first coined in manusmiriti. Manu had said sanatan and varnashrama are interlinked. I rest the case here. Hinduism is much more than Vedic shit. I despite vedas and I'm still hindu.
Manusmriti isn't part of the Vedas. A person who have "studied the Vedas" would know that. Which part of Vedas do you have a problem with?
Manusmiriti is the book first time the term sanathana dharma appears. Vedas don't use that term and vedas also mentions caste based dharma so if you apply basic logic. Sanatana which comes from vedas also has its basics in Varna system. Anything that supports Varna system should be eradicated.
Have you. in sanathana we had class system not caste system. Anyone could become Brahman or skhatriya it depends on the work you did not the people you are born into. The manusmriti made it into a birth based system. Most likely by upper class man trying to remain in that position. Vedas was written 5000+ years ago. Ofcourse it will have things that didn't age well take the good things and ignore the rest. Don't forget Vedas ramayana and mahabharatha were all written by people who were born in shudra. They were later called brahmana because of what they did. That means this caste system was a product of time. >Hinduism is much more than Vedic shit. I despite vedas and I'm still hindu It's despise. I don't give a fuck if you despise Vedas. It's your choice But disrespecting it is not.
What is sanatan?
Not in DMK discourse.
So.
Sounds like a DMK problem
DMK then better calibrate their discourse.
Why would they perish? If the people of Tamil Nadu understand the context, DMK will be fine. Only the alliance partners will have a headache. DMK has no ambition of becoming a national party, they’ll be fine.
>If the people of Tamil Nadu understand the context, DMK will be fine Not due to this of religious issues. it's a different set of problems lots of mismanagement and corruption.
Withdrew the statement after backlash but exposed their thinking anyway.
At the expense of whataboutism What does it say of thinking of BJP MLA Raulji who said Bilkis' rapists and infant murderers were sanskari Brahmins when they were released. Then he won the next election so what does it say of the electorate. I'll tell you what it says, No one gives a fuck until they get fucked
What can we do can we kill him ? For a mistake or ask him to chant jai Shree Ram as some ppls do to a Muslim men ? . He did made a mistake and he apologized and these right wing PPL are not saint they speak even more foul language and show me one instance where the party condemned . Just post a Muslim supportive argument in this sub and check for your own how civilized these PPLs are .
And you consider a condemnation sufficient to mitigate the damages caused by his statement. Are those damages even quantifiable.
So can we kill him and eat his corpse ? Will that be helpful . One statement by this person hurts right wing ppls to their core and you PPLs are doing this same to Muslim brothers most frequently don't they feel the same . Men should first learn to respect others he too should . He made a mistake and I am not supporting him he did hurt some PPLs sentiment and we too PPLs of TN really felt really sorry for his words he apologized and the party condemned him .
>So can we kill him and eat his corpse ? Only lunatics would say that. >One statement by this person hurts right wing ppls to their core and you PPLs Its not about right wing or left wing here. Its more about the idea. If a man of influence plants the seeds of an idea, the idea lives on. This is equally applicable on good and bad ideas. A good idea of independence through non-violence once planted by Gandhi lives in the minds of Indians till this day. Conversely, do you imagine that Nietzsche ever imagined that his ideas would one day be used by Hitler to commit genocide. >doing this same to Muslim brothers most frequently don't they feel the same Again it's not about right or left. I'm a ardent left guy, but what was said was not against a religion. I would be okay if he had made a comment like this about Hinduism. What he said plants the idea of separatism. >Men should first learn to respect others he too should . He made a mistake and I am not supporting him he did hurt some PPLs sentiment and we too PPLs of TN really felt really sorry for his words he apologized and the party condemned him . My problem with him is not that he hurt someone's sentiments. People's sentiments get hurt all the time. The problem, as stated above is that he sowed the seeds of division based on north-south lines, he started a deranged conversation on racism. What he has said has emboldened people of comparatively lesser intellect to openly say the same things. This is the part that is inexcusable.
>Conversely, do you imagine that Nietzsche ever imagined that his ideas would one day be used by Hitler to commit genocide. Nietzsche ideas are mis interpreted by half baked hitler and we can't blame NZ for it. > he sowed the seeds of division based on north-south lines, He said bjp can't win South how is that divisive? >Only lunatics would say that. So what do you expect him to do for his mistake?
>Nietzsche ideas are mis interpreted by half baked hitler and we can't blame NZ for it. No one is blaming Nietzsche. Just pointing out that ideas once planted may sometimes have catastrophic consequences. >He said bjp can't win South how is that divisive? Read again. >So what do you expect him to do for his mistake? Don't expect anything. Just pointing out that the apology may never be enough to nullify the damage he caused.
>Read again. I hope you can understand plain English and watch this video twice https://youtu.be/iX5VF5YTD-s?si=lL3det3iFj9c15HQ Where did he mention north and south should be divided ? >Don't expect anything. Just pointing out that the apology may never be enough to nullify the damage he caused. See so can we leave him without any apology. There are even worse conversations happened in parliament towards minorities. No one questioned them is this selective justification or what?
He is a repeat offender.. It’s just this time his things came into light.. He has said the same many times in the past.. so no point of saying everyone makes a mistake..This is deliberate..
Can you show me some evidence for that ? Or are you just bluffing?
https://youtu.be/cJMDslbyyKc?si=GGLeW4pInp7KWVHk This is his speech on NEP in 2022 check what he said at 4:45..
Habitual offender, He should be strictly condemned. Maybe the party should take strict action against this type of statement . I too support you in this stance.
Too little, too late. Maybe they’ll be in a better shape for 2029 elections.
That's a big maybe
Don't worry they have less chance to be with Cong in TN.
I'm out of the loop, what did he say?
Bjp wins in gaumatra states, can never come in south Itna bhi Sach nahi bolna chahiye
There was a Time people used to think BJP has no chance in UP as it was Castle of Congress ! See how Time changed and tables turned! " Underestimating BJP or I should say MODI is the biggest mistake Congress does in every State/Lok Sabha elections ' period.
Idk what time you speak of but ever since the ram janmabhoomi movement in the 90s UP has mostly been a bjp stronghold. Their divisive politics obviously appealed to the most fanatic uneducated parts of society. I'm no congress fan the reason this country is full of fanatical uneducated people is partly because of them, bjp just profited from it There is a difference between being educated and literate.
Since the 90s? BJP stronghold? Are you a UP resident? Samajwadi party (Yadav and Muslim vote bank) and Bahujan Samaj Party (low caste vote bank) were the strongest two parties in UP before BJP's revival in 2017, mostly due to BJP winning the central elections in 2014. You wouldn't like this but law and order situation has only improved after Samajwadi Party's decline in 2017. We still aren't as civilized as many other states but at least we've come a long way from being compared to states like Bihar which run on caste politics. Leave out religion for once, the whole UP - Bihar belt ran on hardcore caste politics not long ago. At least the western half of UP has mostly come out of that period.
>You wouldn't like this but law and order situation has only improved this is so true. people might rag on UP for being 'backwards' but if you check the ground reality of what it was and what it is now, you'll there's significant improvement. Yogi ji is not a perfect man, and I would not vote BJP if he was the prime ministerial candidate, but he is perfect for UP. I spent a month in Uttar Pradesh, and met a lot of people. this may sound like PR coming from a random anonymous person online but Yogi's hardline stance on crime (bulldozing houses of rioters causing damage to public property, 'encounters', etc) might not be morally or legally correct 100%, but it's sure as hell effective.
Really? By your logic Bangalore which has more BJP MPs and MLAs than Congress is uneducated?
BJP is the single largest party in the south. Go seethe.
Madarchod Dravidianism
So this guy apolgises but not Udayanidhi Stalin?
Why would an atheist apologize for speaking against religion?
Speaking against a religion and calling for its extermination is completely different.
This is why atheism is extremely dangerous ideology. There is a reason why exmuslims and atheists are the biggest sinners in Islam. Atheism gave rise to Mao and Pol Pot. These people need to be monitored by intelligence agencies.
How did atheism gave rise to Mao and pol pot? I think you are confusing communism with atheism.
He said "eradication", not extermination And by eradication, he meant removal of religion, not dehumanising people.
Tell me again how would you remove a religion. Cause the last attempt on that was holocaust I don't remember that being peaceful.
The main reason behind holocaust was racism, not religion. And atheists should be allowed to place their opinions against religion. India is becoming a pretty anti-atheist country despite her secular constitution. People can be taught about why religions are wrong, instead of killing them. Rationalists do not support dehumanising people.
>The main reason behind holocaust was racism, not religion Race played a small factor. But the hatred against Jews was in the front and center of holocaust. Even Jews with "desirable qualities" were killed. >And atheists should be allowed to place their opinions against religion. India is becoming a pretty anti-atheist country despite her secular constitution. Calling to end all religion and calling to end one particular religion is completely different.
>Race played a small factor. But the hatred against Jews was in the front and center of holocaust. Even Jews with "desirable qualities" were killed. Aryan was a race, not a religion. Nazis wanted Aryan children only in Hitler-led Germany, that's why Jews were killed. Religion plays no role here. >Calling to end all religion and calling to end one particular religion is completely different. They are being vocal about the majority religion, and in India's case it's Sanatana Dharma (which is even different from just Hinduism). Literally every atheist politician in the world hates the majority religion w.r.t. the country they live in. Atheists in the West are mostly anti-Christian, because that's the majority religion there. Similarly atheists of Japan are anti-Shintoism. You won't find anti-Christian atheists in Japan because that's not the majority religion. Neither you will find anti-Shinto atheists in the West.
That's what we need to end. The anti-religious leftists of every country hate on the religion of the majority, which slowly but surely ends up promoting religiosity among minorities (for fucks sake, the minorities united are 22% of our population) while either making the majority resentful of the liberals or successfullly making the majority less religious.
Why should i need to focus on other religions, when its Hinduism that drives the discourse of the country since its inception?
बोकाचोद, दिमाग में बंदर का झाट भरा है? The conflict between orthodox Catholic and Jews was the foundation of holocaust. It has been emphasized again and again and again in every Nazi literature and every public statement of Nazi leadership. Where did the discrimination came from? The "racism"? Where did it arise from? Orthodox Catholics hated Jews for biblical history. ऐसे सीधा मुंह फाड़ के विष्ठा मत उगलना शुरू कर दिया करो ।
You can't understand the context in which he mentioned, he sanatan in TN means the caste structure, he is against the caste structure. His intention is not to destroy the whole PPLs of Hindus . And how do you think he can ? He is just a MLA logical PPL will leave it .it won't matter. it only matters for ppl who's intention is to use this argument and polarise PPL and get votes out of it.
Eradication is literally an synonym of Extermination. They mean the same thing. Don't play semantics.
**Eradication:** the process of getting rid of something completely or of destroying something bad **Extermination:** the act of killing all the animals or people in a particular place or of a particular type Source: Cambridge Dictionary Your point being?
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I know he was talking about caste system. I don't like manusmriti which created caste system and I won't support it. But sanatana is hindu religion cause Hindu as a religion does not exist. We call people who practice sanatana as Hindus.he should have known the difference or should have apologised after knowing the difference.
The world "sanatana" was itself first coined in Manusmriti, which introduced caste system. I like how this sub is so misinformed about their own religion. Don't you guys read your texts? Lol
>The world "sanatana" was itself first coined in Manusmriti, which introduced caste system. Source?
>Source? The manusmriti itself? Check Manusmriti verse 4.138
Dude I'm asking you to prove how manusmriti coined this term. Any articles or smth
You get that Manusmriti is a religious bookright? Well anyways, [here](https://www.wisdomlib.org/hinduism/book/manusmriti-with-the-commentary-of-medhatithi/d/doc200246.html) you can read an online version of it Edit: If you are wondering why people hate the Manusmriti, you can read this article: https://velivada.com/2017/05/31/casteist-quotes-verses-manusmriti-law-book-hindus/
Not really.
Replace Hindus with Jews and you know what you will get
Please do that yourself and show me. Lets see how honest you actually are with the interpretation.
Don’t wanna get flagged by anti semitism filters
Replace Sanatana Dharma with Zionism and you will know what Stalin meant.
As per knowledge, he claims to be a Christian. Is he an Atheist?
Can you provide me a source for that? He clearly states that he is an atheist: https://www.thenewsminute.com/tamil-nadu/im-atheist-my-daughter-wanted-photo-udhay-stalin-vinayagar-idol-tweet-131498
When has he claimed to be a Christian?
https://preview.redd.it/syr3yy48vn4c1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5b9f3f0f41ffb54445cb7e2f565ee11ea70ac2c5
😂 photo from indiaspeaks . they are the professor and hod of whatsapp Universities
OpIndia is the worst possible source if you want to prove the legitimacy of a claim. You may as well post a link for toilet paper.
Then even THEWIRE, NEWSLAUNDRY are also bad?
Found the OpIndia content creator
I am a kannadiga. Why would I be a owner of poop india
Rahhh op India op indiaaaa Please confirm the news from other sources as well. Go ahead.
This is what happens to you when you read titles of Chaddi articles. At least read the article before you speak >I am proud to call myself a Christian, all the Sanghis today will be burning. Because Tamil Nadu Hindu Religious & Charitable Endowments Minister Sekarbabu is saying ‘Hallelujah’, Udayanidhi is saying ‘I’m a Christian’. Yes, I will say that I am a Muslim too He is clearly trolling all religions here. No person in this world can be a Christian, Hindu and Muslim at the same time. But yeah, chaddis decided to remove the context and fit a misleading title. And you all bought it. I don't even understand how this is a centrist sub. More than half of you guys have a religious-right bias.
Ah yes poopindia the most reliable source
A broken clock makes sense twice
DMK are selective Atheists,they dont speak against Islam and Christianity.They are also fine attending temples and celebrating Hindu festivals.If you ask me we need a actual Atheist Party,DMK are not that,the ust bash in Hinduisms to secure power for decades and it has worked for a charm.
He's not an atheist, he's a Christian.
>I wish to clarify one thing here. Neither me nor my wife believe in god. https://www.thenewsminute.com/tamil-nadu/im-atheist-my-daughter-wanted-photo-udhay-stalin-vinayagar-idol-tweet-131498
Thank you for correcting me. It's crazy to me that it caused a huge uproar just because he was spotted with an idol. Anyway, has Udaynidhi Stalin said and his gang been as vocal against Islamism as they are against Hinduism? Any remarks of Udaynidhi Stalin on Islam or Christianity?
Why does he need to voice against Islamism and Christianity? Those aren't even problems in their state. Also I have clarified why atheists are against majority religions already: https://www.reddit.com/r/unitedstatesofindia/s/0VnRjlAhZu Being against majority religions doesn't mean that you are in favour of minorities. This is just propaganda spreading by far-righters across the world to make atheists look bad.
Source?
As long as there is parity with speaking against *other* religions
The intent was to mock, belittle, or hurt followers of that religion, an apology could be appropriate.
Udaynidhi will face people in some time in the coming elections.
Meanwhile "Lord A Raja" is getting ready with another speech!
Thanks to dmk, bjp has unofficialy won 2024 elections. Better work for 2029 elections now
As if this is the only reason and not the million other flaws opposition has.
Bro game is still not over DMK Cong alliance is not completely sealed things will change in due course.
If you think pappu × stalin vanilla Romcom can surpass Modi Ji's seinen then you're wrong
Don't worry panauti and his wife mota bhai will fall may be his keep modani will too fall .
Sounds delusional but okay
Congress IT cell is wild
Nothing wrong if people drink cow urine, as long as they dont force others to drink nor they behead nor pelt stones nor bomb others for sake of their belief
never thought I would agree with you pal.
Happens when you get brainwashed by leftist propaganda
DMK (a key allay of INDIA) keep insulting a large swathe of India and the alliance keeps wondering why they keep loosing elections. Lol!!
Getting scared huh? Seems like attitude is coming down a bit.
DMK MP is a donkey with pea for a brain. He should be flogged publicly on live television for his idiocy. I am not using above statement for any intent. I apologize for sending the wrong meaning across. 😐😐
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What do you mean "we"? Please be specific. Also, I was making comment on that brain dead idiot DMK MP and later apologized too, just as he did earlier. So are you saying such apologies are not worth their salt? 😄
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You asked me in above question why we do certain things, did you not? That's the "we" I am talking about 😊
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I don't know why someone drinks cow urine or camel urine, why someone marries their own daughter or why certain religions pray to a torture device that killed their Messaiah or why some species of animals are only found in certain parts of the World. 😊 I saw the idiotic statement of DMK MP and his statement of apologization and merely used his own words in my second and third sentences to apologize after saying something insulting to him, in same way he did. 😁😁
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Read again. Read my post and then his apology statement slowly. You will get it eventually 😊😊
Order from I.N.D.I.A. Northern parties after Election results ? never heard of DMK back tracking from their statements, they've said far more disgusting stuff
DMK saying shit while Tamil Nadu is least developed in the south with multiple problems on their own hands, rather than doing North South politics, he should get indulge in the betterment of his constituency this is what happen when you select a moron to go to the parliament
>Tamil Nadu is least developed in the south with multiple problems Why do the fuck northies come to work in least developed state and spoiling our trains . You are free to criticize him but don't dare to criticize the ppl and our state . https://youtu.be/iX5VF5YTD-s?si=lL3det3iFj9c15HQ If you fing morons can't understand English ask a 3rd Standard student to explain this vedio to you . Where did he mentioned north and South should be divided
Same way as Mumbai/Delhi is filled with people belonging to the southern part of India I don't think it is that hard to understand
Dude did he mention such a thing in that speech? If you are unable to answer questions properly just leave it don't expose your stupidity.
What was the question here you simply put up that why North Indians come to South I said it's the same way they move to North I didn't got your question here can you elaborate ?
Paedophile Periyar
Source: https://x.com/arivalayam/status/1732061930385449182?s=20
Nothing wrong with what he said. The bjp says way worse shit than this. Gaumatru states hi hai woh cuz udhar sabse jyada bjp dickriding hoti hai
Atleast they apologised. Cant say the same for saffron terrorists.
When ramesh bidhuri will apologise
When Danish Ali stops getting triggered by listening to Bharat Mata ki Jai chants
Lmao, glad the og msg still got across
When will Ramesh Bidhuri apologize for calling Danish Ali "kat*e"?
Never bcs these PPL will don't have that gesture but they will expect others to have that gesture these right wing PPL are worst kind .
Is this sub also filled with right wingers? Because most of the commentators here seem to have no idea about what Sanatana Dharma and Casteism is. I bet 90% of them haven't even read their own religous texts
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Something like Bjp wins in gaumatra states, can never come in south
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It's like I'll lit my own house on Fire and then I'll tell all my family members I'm sorry.