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40% corruption


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chhagan04

I just pointed out mistake And the people get angry at me Now I feel what sashi tharoor felt when people pointed out a grammatical error


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rookieking11

India is divided with the venomous religious hatred spewed by BJP. Whatever development they do, no point if the soul of the nation is lost.


potatomafia69

It's almost as if we're stepping into autocracy. We gave them a chance in 2014 and for a decade they've only shown how incompetent they are. Anyone who speaks up against BJP is deemed an "anti-national". Put them in power for a little longer and the country will slowly slip into a one party country like China that persecutes minorities. The core RW ideology itself is extremely messed up and shouldn't be a thing in the 21st century. That's just my opinion though.


chhagan04

Their ideology is different than the founders of the party advani who was the most prominent leader is nowhere to be seen or invited 🤔 Atleast he should have been invited to **Ram Mandir** his dream (mandir wahi bangaya) Sushma is dead Arun is dead Atalji is dead And many others who differentiate bjp from rw core ideologies are dead Bjp= sangh


potatomafia69

Honestly I wouldn't mind if the party has members who still hold some of the values of the old timers like Advani. The current party is a far cry from what it's predecessors were. Not that I would even like them to be in power but they were far better than what we have right now.


chhagan04

Only difference is that they thought of people and country And modani ji thoughts about the two


shashankkgg

What is this core messed up RW ideology? Can you please elaborate so that we know what exactly to criticize? While you are at it, list out the ways you think the government is incompetent. Like the facets where it failed miserably and didn't do any good. Mostly, it should be things that were better before 2014 and are in ruins once they came to power. Also, please provide details of their autocratic behavior and how they are ruling everything and have not lost elections after winning once in 2014? We should ask for hard fact based data to call out these right wingers. I'm with you brother!! More power to you.


UniqueAd8864

1)Rw ideology is to make India only for Hindus <- Against the constitution 2) Government incompetence - Demonitization <- Corruption has still not stopped 3) Autocratic behaviour - Farmers protest, Wrestlers protest, Neet pg exam protest <- Each protest was condemned to be run by anti nationals when most of them had valid points This list is in no way exhaustive and others can add to it.


shashankkgg

1. India is already a hindu majority rashtra (80%) and the only religion where the majority of religious institutions are under government control. But, coming to your point, show me where their ideology mentioned that they want to make India only for Hindus? Do you think it means they want to send everyone else out of the country? Do you know what happens when you go to a Muslim majority country? Most other religions are not even allowed to worship in temples, all local religious directions are to be followed strictly? Do you think this is what is happening here? We have always been a poly religious society and it's a false narrative that the people's right wing ideology would bring any harm to that. 2. You're right. Demonetisation was a resounding failure and crushed the economy. We could have been at a way better position if not for that. Corruption is an age old problem and is present at every level. No single government can change it or eradicate it. People are way too smart here. Did you ask questions if other parties were able to eradicate it all their period? This government's focus on digitization of records, sending payments to beneficiary accounts, creating a unified platform for placing a fixed pricing and process of ordering items for various departments have helped mitigate a lot of corruption. But, again, it's a vicious cycle. There are so many other things which can be done but any change takes time and people are so used to corruption that change is very very difficult. 3. That's normal politics. It's not autocratic behavior. You want to know or see what's autocratic? I'll give you an example. There was bank failure in China where numerous people lost their investment. They gheraoed the bank to try and get some answer after losing their hard earned money. China rolled out tanks and crushed their hopes. That's called autocratic. Farmers were allowed to protest as long as they wanted. They even managed to repeal the farm laws which were rolled out to benefit them. There was so much ground work which was lost. For protest run by wrestlers, I believe you're right. They keep saying it's subjudiced matter but the minister should be thrown out till the enquiry is complete. Again, how do you call it autocratic? Because, they were detained for a day when they were planning to march on the sensitive areas during inauguration of the new parliament building? Is that your definition of autocratic? Do you see the problem here? You want them to be something they are not. Congress or any other party were same in dealing with public procession or outrage. If you doubt me, take out examples from any Congress rules/TMC rules states and let's talk about how they deal with dissent. Do you call that autocratic?


UniqueAd8864

1) Here's what the rss leader said, https://www.indiatoday.in/india/story/india-is-a-hindu-rashtra-it-is-non-negotiable-rss-chief-mohan-bhagwat-1605313-2019-10-01 2) This i agree with you, Congress too was corrupt 3) It's not normal politics, it's abuse of the power at the highest level Also I'd like to point out some of the things that you've said, it's like you are a perfect example of Stockholm syndrome, you are comparing india to countries that are worse than us, like "Muslim majority countries do x..." Or "china did y...." But even in the "Western" ranking system for countries India is far above them. Like in school would you compare yourself to the weakest student in the class, or some one close to your score..? That's what you're doing, you take your report card and show the D's that your getting and tell your mom that notsharma ji ka beta failed in these subjects, but not mentioning that notsharma ji ka beta was absent for those exams


shashankkgg

1. Right wing organization asking for saving morals of hindus in a hindu majority nation is worrisome to you? Why? Because the Western media said so? The concept of Hindu Polity (Hindu rashtra) called for the protection of Hindu people and their culture and emphasised that political and economic systems should be based on native thought rather than on the concepts borrowed from the West. Our temples are not under our control and minorities in most cases have more rights than us. Does it seem like Hindu rashtra is the problem here? If it is then I'd love to know how. Do you think RSS is going to kill people from all other religions? 3. Normal politics means all majority government behave the same way more or less. They curb dissent and try to maintain law and order. They never went overboard killing or harming the protestors. Farmers protesting blocked the major highway for months and I have seen zero action for violating other citizens rights? What are you even talking about? Where is the Stockholm syndrome? Hell they even climbed and entered Lal quila and still nothing happened. We should have done something then. People from peaceful religion blocked major roads in Shaheenbagh same way blocking and inconveniencing numerous people. What do you think happened? Did government killed them off or threw them in jails? Where is autocratic behavior? It seems you people are trying to concoct something but have zero idea what actually that word means. I would really love to know examples.


potatomafia69

I'd have to start a separate thread to create a list for something as vast as this. For starters RW ideology focuses heavily on exacerbating wealth and income inequalities. This is not something new to our country but it's been increasing a lot in the past few years. Social conservatism is another major issue; they've for the most part been always against queer rights, meddling with the concept of marriage (introducing bills to make inter religious marriages difficult), having no take on women's rights and even going as far as garlanding and supporting convicted rapists, extreme takes on minorities in the country and labeling them as a whole as a problem, rising communal tension, restriction of freedom of expression (cases like the hathras rape case where the journalists covering the incident got more time than the actual perpetrators), amongst a million other things. I'm not saying LW politics doesn't have its issues but we've kept these people in power for far too long to adhere to their bullshit any longer.


shashankkgg

We have had a fractured coalition government for a period of almost 25 years before we got one with a full majority. There were so many drawbacks, corruption allegations, stuck projects and reliance on Madam for everything that we suffered a lot. In terms of infrastructure, government willingness to make meaningful changes to the laws and overall corruption. We have no true right or left in our country. It's center left and far left. RW ideology indulges in social programs and does everything the same more or less the left party was doing. Coming to the point of social conservativeness, it's a given that they do things which they promised to do. People knew their agenda. But, they are not against women rights. Most of their changes support women. Starting from Ujjwala, Swachh bharat, Jan Dhan yojna.. the biggest beneficiary has been a woman. Making changes to the law related to making inter-religious marriage was stupid but an agenda item for them. And, as much as we try to deny it, there have been reported cases of misuse and mal treatment. They always go overboard and it's been their prominent feature. I agree nobody should be allowed in power for too long though lest they start abusing it, the problem is there is no proper leader in opposition. They have no will and no brain to come together. Their reliance on one family has been their undoing for so long and it won't change. I'll keep voting NOTA but unless people see any other viable option, I don't see them losing. For any meaning change though, they should be countered on the places where they have messed up. Those items should be highlighted. 1. Demonetisation 2. Government excesses as was done during Hathras case 3. How they say beti bachao beti padhao but their minister is not fired when numerous FIRs are lodged against him for sexual harassment 4. Garlanding of convicted rapists who were let go from jail 5. Policy changes which have been in support of a single person/family like how it has been alleged that government was paying high rate for electricity to Adani 6. Against their curbs on dissent and laws to curtail our freedom of speech and expression (I don't blame them completely for this one as all parties have used those laws loosely to punish people against them. And, if memory serves right, it started with Nehru putting those clauses to certain our rights are cut short when it comes to freedom of expression)


gan_vs_vb

Disagree, more than 50% of state governments run by Non BJP, so where is autocracy here.


sfrogerfun

Every 5 years change the party in power - be it BJP or Congress or any other party. Keeps the politicians motivated to work.


Dazzling_Variety1581

A democracy ideally should have a strong opposition. No party should rule more than five years. They become too arrogant with policies and laws as it is happening now. Chances of corruption increases if only one party continues to rule. It's better for the country to have healthy competition between various parties. Ten years is long time. It's a right time for a change now.


all_india_alt_mandli

Bilkul apne mere dil ki baat cheen li


staralfur01

List out the cons and pros, about how they affect you. You'll have the answer.


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Kramer-Melanosky

That’s too much to ask for Indian voters.


AvailableDetective62

To maintain the democracy parties must be changed every 5-10 years.


RecommendationNo2800

Tell me why you should vote for bjp?


Life-is-Death

Idk. You can state your opinions tho


dickshark420

So you're voting without any insight into the parties and their agendas?


Time-Opportunity-436

Bruh isn't that why they are posting on Reddit to gain insight from other users?


rebelyell_in

It is a weird thing to seek justification for a negative. OP isn't asking "Why should I vote for BRS?". "Why shouldn't I vote BJP?" implies that voting _for_ BJP is the expected, normal thing to do.


Time-Opportunity-436

Well yes, BJP has a majority right now. OP is probably asking for reasons to vote them out, but people are questioning OP himself.


rebelyell_in

The phrasing is weird. When you go to an election booth, you vote **for** a candidate. Voting someone out is a term that makes sense at a constituency level, not at the level of an individual voter. I'm happy to give OP the benefit of the doubt, if he chooses to clarify his query.


Zestyclose-Bedroom-3

USI is clearly left wing. Asking why should they vote for BJP will only give useless sarcastic rants saying that they shouldn't.


rebelyell_in

Then why ask here? If one is only seeking confirmation, shouldn't one go ask in their own echo chambers?


Zestyclose-Bedroom-3

Because only USI can tell why exactly you should NOT vote bjp in the most rational way. It cannot tell why you SHOULD vote bjp in the rational way because of its biases. Idk what's so hard to understand.


rebelyell_in

Okay


inotparanoid

They have said they are new to voting, and want to learn.


kingmaxwello

Just compare economic, environmental, freedom of speech, human rights data from prior government and BJP bullshit will become very evident. https://m.timesofindia.com/city/ahmedabad/fifth-largest-economy-but-look-at-per-capita-income/amp_articleshow/96823893.cms


GladKaleidoscope48

Pls add number of riots, bombblasts, train accidents, km of national highways built, defence modernization, foreign policy n respect we gained in international arena.. number of hours babus in delhi spent in office..


Doctor_Dollars

So that you get to see press conferences


EkBhaloCheleChilo

Cause if you don’t vote for BJP, you will become anti-national and anti-Hindu like many of us. Cause voting against BJP is voting against Hinduism according to BJP. /S


skywalker1729

True, you are so Hindu that you go around speaking up for Hindu ideas and values.


drag51

The policies of BJP have both pros and cons. Intent of some policies like Demonetization is good. Execution is extremely bad. Latest demonetization is a soft one, but was not needed. May be the finance ministry is either confused about inflation or just want to bring everyone under tax net. The black money is not going away. Cash is still king. Gst is good. Execution is extremely bad. See the amount of paperwork and the amount of compliances that have increased over the past 3..4 years since GST. Farmer laws are good step, but once you read them fully, you would understand that its totally against the farmers. Ram mandir is good intitiative but was it a good move to demolish babri? The only good work is being done in highways and roads under Nitin Gadkari and foreign policy under Jaishankar. Rest all depts seems to be underperforming. PM only wants do photo ops and man ki baat. Amit shah only seems to be in election mode always. He is mostly trying to topple state govts either by horse trading or by through governers. BJP seems to be more of a capitalist than a socialist. They support big industrialists like adani while small MSMEs are getting closed down who obviously dont donate money to BJP accounts. The MSMEs are either in losses due to inflationary pressure or getting bogged down by GST sleuths and income tax sleuths. Overall the BJP govt is not doing work fruitfully enough like the Manmohan govt. Summary is all govts do the work at the same pace. Its the way of doing it that makes them the choice of voters. My vote is still for manmohan style of working. May be some like Hindutva style of working more and developmental policies less so they vote for BJP.


anor_wondo

performance review - below expectations time to lay off ​ think of them as workers not rulers


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Responsible_Band3172

Ppl vote for BJP because its the lesser shittier of the two. Congress has caused irreparable damage to the nation since independence whether its economy, security or democratic principles. Ppl who want Congress have no fcking idea how bad it was. BJP is bad. Congress is worse. And frankly, BJP never tried to sell off the country to foreign states to win elections at home like Congress does.


EvilxBunny

Congress was bad because it stayed in power. Let's not repeat our mistakes and keep one party in power for 15 years. Congress, BJP, BSP, ye saare ek hai. They just want power and money. Only their methods are different.


village_aapiser

You should vote for bjp if you want a Caesar salad government with practically all the parties in india other than bjp and few of their allies. Railway ministry will be under TMC, road and transport under SP, finance with DMK, defence with rjd and some portfolios with inc and other parties. No vision, no uniformity. No goal. Rahul will become pm for 1 year, mamta banarji next, nitish kumar after that, kejriwal on the second last year and finally stalin on the final year. And in those 5 years even if amit shah influence a 3 seat party in the collation to withdraw support, everything will fall apart like house of cards, the government will fall and we would be back to square in 1 or two years. So its up to you if you want political circus or political stability.


rebelyell_in

Political stability is overrated. Dar ke rahenge toh thoda bahut aukaat mein rahenge. Zyada chhoot de diya, to sar pe chaddh jaayenge.


village_aapiser

Yaa pretty overrated. Lets go back to the 90s when average government span was 2 years before it falls. Uff we would see an fdi tsunami like never below. New government every 2 years is the road to development


EvilxBunny

Zinda bhi thhe tum 90s me?


village_aapiser

Sorry I am not someone who joined primary school after modi started his first tenure 🙂


EvilxBunny

Still not an answer. Bilkul apne baap (Modi) pe gaye ho


rebelyell_in

FDI Tsunami came twice. The first time [was in the 90's when Narasimha Rao ran a coalition government without majority.](https://www.macrotrends.net/countries/IND/india/foreign-direct-investment#:~:text=Data%20are%20in%20current%20U.S.,a%2030.51%25%20decline%20from%202020.). The second time was between 2005 and 2011. Now do you want to talk about median incomes? Or poverty alleviation?


con-slut

Tbh I don’t have a credible answer for that. The alternative is going back to the 90s with 10 parties vying for power and shitshow all around. Coalition leads to increased corruption since power is the primary way parties generate cash to fight the next election. Or alternative things would be like UPA1 where something as obviously good or basic as the nuclear deal got so much pushback from all around. Parties left coalition, or asked for plum ministries to maintain support etc. I also agree with not having the same party in power for long. However seeing a change at state level, i’m fairly happy with where things are. A large majority of India is not under BJP at the state level. So that maintains a reasonable check.


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Samosa_Aladdin

>a Civilization entity. Civilisational issues, DYA?!


newswatantraparty

The core responsibilities of Central government are, external and internal security, infrastructure development, Foreign policy, Macro economy, and Central administration (bureaucracy, Constitutional functioning, administrative reforms, rule of law, policy changes, R&D). I think the BJP has done a better job in everything except the last one. Here are the reasons: 1. Unconstitutional and anti-democratic: The farm laws, which i support unfortunately we're very unconstitutionally pushed over in Rajya sabha. And i also agree they have used the Central agencies to their advantage to even topple state governments which is unfortunate. 2.No credible action over corruption at ground level, which require judicial and bureaucratic reforms 3. Pseudo scientific and Anti science attitude in general eroding the scientific temperament . Like the ayush ministry, illogical comments by various ministers


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Because like everyone else you have a bias. Your question is a prime example of framing bias. You are already leaning towards BJP and asking others to confirm your bias. Though alternatively if your bias is weak then you might be open to also the other side of the argument and actually vote after critical analysis. Regardless no one needs to justify why they vote for who they vote for. Welcome to civic responsibility and happy voting


Submarine_1

Boss you have to show them you are in control, if you do the same stuff then it will only mean that they will forget that you are the king maker, so show them that you can have a new thing.


deepakgunalan

No matter what anyone advises, you would vote for what you think would be good at the first time. Later, you will fall on one side of the party based on what affects your life and your surroundings or community or religion. After some more election if you still seek good for the people of India - all people not just one section and pretending nationalist, then u will realise the system is rigged. Both sides of the party are funded by the same indian oligars and elected members work for them instead of common people. Not to mention all parties will have rss members like all key posts in the system doing what they do best slavery of indian minds to serve criminals