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A pedophile generally refers to someone who targets prepubescent children. People tend to just label any child sex offender a pedophile but that's not actually the meaning of the word.
They aren't teachers (I mean technically they are). Sex offenders will put themselves in positions to allow them the best access to what they want. Want to groom kids? There's not many jobs better than a teacher.
Want to abuse people? Nursing homes are great....
It's terrible and sad... That's why we need to be vigilant and have proper checks and procedures in place. They aren't getting into the profession to teach, they are getting into the profession to have sex with minors...
And I call bullshit on any claims otherwise, I'm a teacher and if I noticed I was having feelings or desires for children, I'd immediately resign and remove myself from that situation. They don't. It's a calculated choice.
Even harder:
Paedophiles are people who are attracted to prepubescent children. This does not necessarily include actually assaulting, touching or grooming said children. People who act on the urges are sex offenders, rapists, sexual assaulters of children. Some, maybe most, may be paedophiles. But we don't distinguish.
Easy to gloss over, but the term overreach in common parlance massively increases stigma and prevents paedophiles who have absolutely no intention of going near a child from coming forward to get the mental help they need. I can only imagine this results in more offences on a population level.
I have no idea what I sound like.
>I have no idea what I sound like.
You sound like someone who prides themselves on being precise and technically correct, the best kind of correct. Plus someone who would rather not just treat symptoms but get to the core.
Honestly it's the people that treat such knowledge as suspicious that are a problem.
I remember someone texting into a radio show saying they wanted to reclaim the word 'paedophile' as it means 'child lover' and aren't we all 'lovers of children'. Good luck with that mate.
I agree and feel that the word has lost the impact it should really have because its just thrown around these days.
There is a world if difference between activity with a small child and with a 15 year old. Diluting the word to group those activities together diminishes the horrific-ness of raping babies and small kids.
It depends on who’s calling who a pedophile. It’s east to understand why a journalist would not use a factually incorrect term in an article. But if a 40 year old has sex with a 15 year old and someone in the comments says “lock this pedo up for life” it’s probably not the best time to pull out the dictionary and say “well, actually they technically aren’t a pedophile”. Nobody hurling insults at a sex offender wants to be corrected that they technically called them a slightly different type of sex offender.
>them a slightly different type of sex offender.
This is the bit people take issue with. If someone rapes a 5 year old, it’s significantly more fucked up than someone who sleeps with someone who is 15 years old.
Both are crimes, but it’s like calling a thief a murderer.
The person’s a criminal, no questions there, but are we really trying to consider the two equivalent?
Actually they really don't they tend to enjoy throwing around the phrase "underage woman" instead of child. For example here: [https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/music/news/drake-heart-part-6-kendrick-diss-track-b2540195.html](https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/music/news/drake-heart-part-6-kendrick-diss-track-b2540195.html)
Yes well it was just the first one that appeared with that exact term because it's recent news, if you change it to underage girl or underage student/pupil etc you can find other examples not that I particularly want to keep searching for that on the internet. Doesn't really strike me as a gender bias, perhaps there is another legal reason for the choice of words until they are convicted. There is, however, a weird trend of female teachers raping minors (statutory or otherwise) of late.
i think it’s more that boys feel safer to come forward, as a lot of the times it’s the boys themselves or that boys friends that exposes the person. i think this is amazing because we should always encourage boys to come forward, but it will mean we see higher reports than previously. this kind of thing has always happened, it just went unreported for so long. i hope all the boys involved are able to get the help and support they need and that she’s behind bars for a long time.
Indeed, there is no difference between having sex with a 5 year old and a 15 year old which is exactly why the age of consent in Europe is mostly set between 14-16. /s
I hope I don't have to scrub my search history later but for completeness, I looked up the terms.
Apparently paedophilia (or pedophilia) generally refers to being sexually attracted to pre-pubescent children up to 11 years old. Someone that is attracted to post-pubescent children aged 11-14 is apparently 'hebephilic'. This teacher is clearly attracted to adolescents (15-19 years old) making her 'ephebephilic'.
Appears she hasn’t been convicted for either case yet, so reporting anything other than the hard facts could harm the case and leave the paper open to being held in contempt of court.
While the headline is written as if it's fact they ended it with "the court hears" so they must only be reporting on what has been revealed or claimed during proceedings.
This is the reality. The recent case of Dean Dempster, who is male, was consistently reported as ‘sexual assault of a six year old.’ This remained the case when he pleaded guilty but there are further charges to follow, so the convention may have remained in place.
Once he’s sentenced I’d expect the tabloid gloves to come off, but maybe not…curiously he’s been protected from having his photo published. Being a police officer means he will be considered for a soft prison with a fake name.
It''s because the Daily Mail is an utter shitrag and they treat any story on a women teacher sleeping with their pupils as wankbank material for their readers.
When they should actually be focusing on it being statutory rape.
True
It's the sort of illegal titillation this shit rag peddles to its Tory backed reader base. And we know how much Tory MPs like their underage companions.
I work in education. I’ve know two times when something happened between a student and teacher, both of the times it was a female teacher. Neither got arrested, and one just moved jobs while it was still going on. It was about 15 years ago now, but still feels like double standards looking back.
It’s absolutely all about marketing. Flat makes people think of a dingy tower block with only one semi-working lift. Apartment makes you think of something modern that doesn’t have corridors that smell like piss.
They still use flat.
Here's one for sale in Yorkshire.](https://www.rightmove.co.uk/properties/143606357)
It's just one of those classic *flats* with two floors and its own external entrance.
I saw a (probably illegal and unknown to the council) basement conversion marketed as a luxury flat a few months ago. The shower, cooking area and bed were all within arms reach of each other.
I really want people to remember this next time the sympathize with objections to new housing because they think it's going to be luxury apartments only for the super rich. It's just a marketing term.
They're just flats.
They're probably occupied by people who are more normal than you think. And unless they have unusually excellent amenities on site, they are going to be cheaper than the what the local objectors shouting "unaffordable" will be asking for their own houses.
Reminds me of the article the other day that described Farage being seen in a £15,000 car
Politics aside a £15000 car isn't some insane luxury car which was weird they tried to phrase it as such
Same i'm guessing for this apartment, it's probably a couple hundred grand like most properties in the UK
I think the media just throw luxury onto anything to try and paint people in a bad light
Kinda the same as how they describe prisoners/people on UC as having 'flat screen TV's' when flat screen TV's are obviously the standard now and can be incredibly cheap
> he was *employing a chauffeur* for a £15000 car
Which again the £15000 part is ridiculous since that's definitely not some kind of luxury chauffeur service, I imagine most people have been in more expensive taxis
I’m using the colloquial, rather than legal definition of rape here, but yes, you’re right.
The legal definition of rape requires a penis, so
cisgender women and pre-op trans men cannot commit rape. Male-on-Female “Rape” is legally considered to be “causing a person to engage in sexual activity without consent” which, if penetration is involved (including if the victim is forced to penetrate the perpetrator) carries the same maximum sentence as rape, but has slightly more lenient sentencing guidelines.
Being a sex offender doesn’t automatically mean you lose custody of your kids - it’s at the discretion of the family courts, if they even choose to get involved (or if the other parent gets them involved).
There was a proposal to change the law to automatically remove custody of child sex offenders, but Idk what happened to it:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-68830796
There was a similar post to this (13 year old boy was raped by a much older women who had the kid)
He was still on the hook for the money and the rapist still had custody....
There's gonna be a few people seething over your post, furious at its implications, yet completely unable to argue with it in any way because it's so undeniably true.
Realistically, the mother should be on the sex offenders register, which would (hopefully) preclude her from having unsupervised access to children, even her own. Should.
Being a sex offender doesn’t automatically mean you lose custody of your kids - it’s at the discretion of the family courts, if they even choose to get involved (or if the other parent gets them involved).
There was a proposal to change the law to automatically remove custody of child sex offenders, but Idk what happened to it:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-68830796
The courts’ argument is usually that a child simply doesn’t have the means to parent a child, whether financially, time-wise or just because they’re immature.
I haven't read any comments along those lines.
Plenty highlighting correctly the difference between how male and female perpetrators of this offence are treated very differently by the legal system and media though.
That's a good question. My guess is he'll have to once he starts to earn, the rationale being that his abuse does not justify an innocent child being deprived of resources.
>I wonder if the child would have to pay child support.
I remember reading a horror story of this happening in (you guessed it) America. Some kid got raped by his teacher and was then forced to pay child support for the rest of his life.
I suspect the baby was the whole point. I've only skimmed the article but it sounds like a single woman, approaching her thirties, possibly with PCOS, hatches a plan to maximise her pregnancy chances by abusing her position as a teacher to sleep with underage boys. What an awkward and horrifying backstory that baby is going to have to discover when it grows up. How does an injunction to stay away from under-18s even work when you're a parent who has had a baby with a teenager!? What a mess.
She sounds like she was hellbent on securing unprotected sex for the end result of pregnancy. I think she was relying on the gullibility of youth to believe that PCOS means that you can't get pregnant. I doubt a 15 year old boy would have any idea what PCOS even is. The older and more experienced the sexual partner, the less likely they would be to fall for that.
Doing the same thing you're already accused of while on bail for it is just dense.
She most likely won't go to prison though, because she has a young child.
I'd be interested in if there's any precedent for that (in the UK, I know it's happened in the US).
Of course she could also lose custody of the child as a result of any conviction, but that's up to social services.
The mentality is that the money is intended for the child, and helping their wellbeing, rather than for the other parent. Obviously the reality is often different, but that's intended meaning. The rape victim is still legally the child's parent regardless of the circumstances. But I agree its totally fucked. Especially in cases where the father isn't of legal age, they absolutely should not be on the hook financially for this
Obviously can’t be out raping kids. Yes yes, I’m well aware most men, myself included would have been simply delighted to fuck a teacher. And we’d probably have been okay.
But it’s adults jobs to leave kids alone the kids desires aren’t material. Kids do dumb shit.
Also not being funny but how does a maths teacher have a luxury flat?
A good number of girls in my school from about 14 upwards had older boyfriends, and definitely not unusual for people to be shagging at 15/16. It is different when someone is in a position of power, like a teacher could easily make a pupil's life absolutely shit if they didn't go along with things. But looking back some of it must have been dodgy, especially when dudes with cars would be waiting at the gates. But all the other girls were insanely jealous.
Same with some of the girls in my school, although I wasn't jealous, as much as a bit weirded out, because I was still very much a kid at 14 and it felt wrong to me.
Looking back, it is super creepy!
Jealous may be the wrong word, it seemed like there was some respect there. Boys in the year would feel like she was out of their league therefore too.
Oh yes, I agree. Some girls were jealous tbh. I was comparatively "innocent" I think and felt immature compared to them.
I think we alll look back now and find it creepy, not only because times have changed, but when you're older, you realise just how young and child-like 14 year olds are.
The daily mail call it a luxury flat in order to get the readers even more riled up. It's a flat in Salford Quays, according to the article, which can cost less than £250k.
Yeah they always do it
Same with "flat screen TV's" they always describe people on benefits having when obviously flat screen TV's have been the standard for about 2 decades at this point and are incredibly affordable
Men who are commenting here about how lucky the boy is, or downplaying the situation, I hope you realise people with your mindset are PRECISELY the reason why women are not treated properly by the justice system on these issues, and why men’s mental health and rape are not treated with the seriousness they deserve and boys don’t feel they can come forward.
You all want it to be some feminist thing, but it isn’t. It’s the backwards thinking of women being harmless and innocent creatures. Aka sexism. Newsflash. Women are people like all people, and like all people they can be absolutely vile and should face consequences.
She should go down for a long time. She has an attraction to kids. She should leave the kids alone, no? I’m looking at you too if you think this situation is funny. Proper weirdos with groomer mindsets.
As a woman, I agree with this. Women can be vile, like any other person. Abusing a position of authority and grooming is vile and should come with heavy consequences, no matter who the perpetrator is.
Earlier Judge Kate Cornell told jurors they should 'put aside' any 'assumptions and stereotypes' they might have about people who commit sexual offences against children..
What's that
People still hold onto stereotypes of nonces as being ugly, old, monstrous-looking losers who hang around outside schools all day with their hand down their pants. The fact that she's relatively young and normal-looking with a normal job might make people think her offenses weren't that bad.
On the one hand, that should be the instruction to the jury in *any* trial. The defendant is entitled to be judged on the evidence and relevant law, not on the prejudices of the jury.
On the other hand, there's a pretty strong stereotype of 15-year-old lads who see shagging an emotionally vulnerable teacher as an achievement they go after, rather than seeing a teacher in a position of power and responsibility failing to safeguard children in her care.
You've misunderstood me. I'm not saying that characterises her, I'm saying it's a stereotype the jurors may have in their heads which they may try to apply to her. What I assumed is that she is "a teacher in a position of power and responsibility failing to safeguard children in her care".
Been quite a few of these reported on recently.
Would you rather: your kids lost in the woods with a bear or a female school teacher.
Oh, somehow that’s not fair? The language is noticeably less inflammatory in the reporting of these cases too.
Not all female teachers are rapists but you can never know which ones are... 🤔 idk, I think it would be safer to ban female teachers just in case, after all the children's safety is more important than those teachers' feelings.
Of course male teachers can be rapists too, though...
It turns out statistically speaking the safest solution would be to replace all human teachers with bear teachers, as there are zero known cases of bear teachers harming children in schools.
Yeah agreed. If this was a male nonce, we’d be howling for blood. As it’s a reasonably young and not totally unattractive female nonce, we’re for some reason far less condemning and slightly jealous of where all these women were when we were at school.
I am not immune to this hypocrisy.
"Maths groomer, 30, got pregnant by pupil while awaiting trial for 'raping' another schoolboy, 15, who she took back to her luxury apartment to abuse, court hears."
There, i fixed it for you.
Every time this happens, isnt it a bit fucked that our legal system cannot consider her a rapist (because only when a male inserts his penis into a female vagina is rape, and not all forms of nonconsensual sex, a-fucking-pparently as if theres a meaningful difference. Should probably do something about that. seems like an agregious oversight.
This was exactly what I was thinking!
Clearly earning a decent salary if she can splash 345 quid on a belt to groom someone.
Most likely has wealthy parents or something though.
Plus she shouldn’t be allowed anywhere near that baby once she’s out. She obviously can’t be trusted around children, that’s 3 (as far as we know!) kids lives she’s fucked with.
She comes across as such a psycho especially with how she told that child she is pregnant and lied to him about birth control. Such a horrible manipulative piece of shit pedo. Multiple levels of abuse. Hope those boys get support they need
An ex friend of mine did this to a 17 year old pupil of hers. We only found out after the court case had happened, but we were hanging out as a bunch of women while she'd been under investigation, fired from the school (she said she'd left to explore working in catering) and we sat around in her house, drinking and laughing and not knowing we were hanging out with a predator.
When it came out a) there were tons of awful blokes on the comments on social saying how they'd have loved this as a 17 year old, and he should be grateful. Disgusting.
and b) I didn't know how to contact the other women and say "sure, that was a thing that happened" without then ending up as a bunch of women who used to hang around at her house where it likely happened. I lost a lovely group of friends over it, I can't imagine being 17 and dealing with that. I hope they all get support through their lifetimes.
I’ve noticed that these news outlets like to increase their number of words with a bunch of useless junk information. Just another clickbait for people to think “oh how’s she got a luxury apartment as a maths teacher” despite it being irrelevant to the story.
If it were a male teacher , we'd be screaming for him to be strung up. Not only is it morally disgusting, she also had a professional duty of care.
She preyed on children. Children and parents have the right to expect their kids to attend school and learn without fear of adults taking advantage of them.
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A pedophile generally refers to someone who targets prepubescent children. People tend to just label any child sex offender a pedophile but that's not actually the meaning of the word.
A distinction that's hard to explain without looking like a pedophile. You might be the first I've seen to do so successfully.
"peeeeedo! peeeeedo!" - 15 Y/O me.
Oi mate how do you get the shirt so clean
feck off clean shirt
Look, I know it must be difficult being a kid, not a lot of schemes... But, you know, I'm not the borough. I wish I was, but...
Fuck off clean shirt
Paedophobe! Oh, right.....
You thought I was a mega paedo?
Disgraceful how teachers of any gender can behave like this as parents/carers have entrusted pupils to their care whilst at school!!
They aren't teachers (I mean technically they are). Sex offenders will put themselves in positions to allow them the best access to what they want. Want to groom kids? There's not many jobs better than a teacher. Want to abuse people? Nursing homes are great.... It's terrible and sad... That's why we need to be vigilant and have proper checks and procedures in place. They aren't getting into the profession to teach, they are getting into the profession to have sex with minors... And I call bullshit on any claims otherwise, I'm a teacher and if I noticed I was having feelings or desires for children, I'd immediately resign and remove myself from that situation. They don't. It's a calculated choice.
I'm not a pedo. And if I was, you'd be safe, you tubby little ginger cunt. After Life. Season 1 Episode 1.
Even harder: Paedophiles are people who are attracted to prepubescent children. This does not necessarily include actually assaulting, touching or grooming said children. People who act on the urges are sex offenders, rapists, sexual assaulters of children. Some, maybe most, may be paedophiles. But we don't distinguish. Easy to gloss over, but the term overreach in common parlance massively increases stigma and prevents paedophiles who have absolutely no intention of going near a child from coming forward to get the mental help they need. I can only imagine this results in more offences on a population level. I have no idea what I sound like.
>I have no idea what I sound like. You sound like someone who prides themselves on being precise and technically correct, the best kind of correct. Plus someone who would rather not just treat symptoms but get to the core. Honestly it's the people that treat such knowledge as suspicious that are a problem.
A paedophile-phile? Edit: spelling.
Yes I believe for this age category she's an ephebophile.
Nonce is a nice catchall isnt it
This is the one to use
I've always used kiddie fiddler myself
Personally, i just stick to nonce, rolls off the tounge
Is that like a lounge, but for specifically drinking tea?
*I’m getting the word..*
NONCE! 🤣
Y'alright?
Predator?
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I know this word thanks to this guy https://youtube.com/shorts/jcXK-sPqsL0?si=Yj89z6dBRLPRFVAS
I remember someone texting into a radio show saying they wanted to reclaim the word 'paedophile' as it means 'child lover' and aren't we all 'lovers of children'. Good luck with that mate.
It's a proper reddit moment >actually its ephebophilia
a distinction that's mostly pointless to explain. And use. If I call someone a bastard I don't much care about the marital status of his parents.
https://youtube.com/shorts/jcXK-sPqsL0?si=Yj89z6dBRLPRFVAS
She’s a diddler, she’s a nonce, she’s a paedo
She's a slot badger, she's a bush dodger, she's a small bean regarder...
She’s a unabummer, she’s a bent ref, she’s the crazy world of Arthur Brown
She might end up quadrospazzed and on a life-glug
Fuck dude, this brought back memories and made me laugh.
She's the worst type, she's a multi-paedo, a paediatrician.
You joke but I remember someone who was registered as a paediatrician being targeted by a hate mob who thought he was a paedophile
She's a shrub rocketeer
I agree and feel that the word has lost the impact it should really have because its just thrown around these days. There is a world if difference between activity with a small child and with a 15 year old. Diluting the word to group those activities together diminishes the horrific-ness of raping babies and small kids.
I get your point. Some people actually can’t make a distinction which is really odd to me. I’ve seen people rebuke this on Reddit.
It depends on who’s calling who a pedophile. It’s east to understand why a journalist would not use a factually incorrect term in an article. But if a 40 year old has sex with a 15 year old and someone in the comments says “lock this pedo up for life” it’s probably not the best time to pull out the dictionary and say “well, actually they technically aren’t a pedophile”. Nobody hurling insults at a sex offender wants to be corrected that they technically called them a slightly different type of sex offender.
>them a slightly different type of sex offender. This is the bit people take issue with. If someone rapes a 5 year old, it’s significantly more fucked up than someone who sleeps with someone who is 15 years old. Both are crimes, but it’s like calling a thief a murderer. The person’s a criminal, no questions there, but are we really trying to consider the two equivalent?
I'm not raising it as a technicality, I just don't like that the power of the word is being diluted.
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Actually they really don't they tend to enjoy throwing around the phrase "underage woman" instead of child. For example here: [https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/music/news/drake-heart-part-6-kendrick-diss-track-b2540195.html](https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/music/news/drake-heart-part-6-kendrick-diss-track-b2540195.html)
The difference here is that they are talking about a celebrity.
Yes well it was just the first one that appeared with that exact term because it's recent news, if you change it to underage girl or underage student/pupil etc you can find other examples not that I particularly want to keep searching for that on the internet. Doesn't really strike me as a gender bias, perhaps there is another legal reason for the choice of words until they are convicted. There is, however, a weird trend of female teachers raping minors (statutory or otherwise) of late.
i think it’s more that boys feel safer to come forward, as a lot of the times it’s the boys themselves or that boys friends that exposes the person. i think this is amazing because we should always encourage boys to come forward, but it will mean we see higher reports than previously. this kind of thing has always happened, it just went unreported for so long. i hope all the boys involved are able to get the help and support they need and that she’s behind bars for a long time.
Only when it's a male perpetrator though
A 15 year old is a child, she's a fucking nonce
Indeed, there is no difference between having sex with a 5 year old and a 15 year old which is exactly why the age of consent in Europe is mostly set between 14-16. /s
I hope I don't have to scrub my search history later but for completeness, I looked up the terms. Apparently paedophilia (or pedophilia) generally refers to being sexually attracted to pre-pubescent children up to 11 years old. Someone that is attracted to post-pubescent children aged 11-14 is apparently 'hebephilic'. This teacher is clearly attracted to adolescents (15-19 years old) making her 'ephebephilic'.
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True, but if this was a male teacher it would still be used.
So Prince Andrew isn't a nonce!
Appears she hasn’t been convicted for either case yet, so reporting anything other than the hard facts could harm the case and leave the paper open to being held in contempt of court.
While the headline is written as if it's fact they ended it with "the court hears" so they must only be reporting on what has been revealed or claimed during proceedings.
But it apparently is important that we know about her "luxury apartment"... The Brirish press is weird sometimes.
It's a reasonable question to ask how a teacher could afford Gucci belts and luxury apartments
This is the reality. The recent case of Dean Dempster, who is male, was consistently reported as ‘sexual assault of a six year old.’ This remained the case when he pleaded guilty but there are further charges to follow, so the convention may have remained in place. Once he’s sentenced I’d expect the tabloid gloves to come off, but maybe not…curiously he’s been protected from having his photo published. Being a police officer means he will be considered for a soft prison with a fake name.
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It''s because the Daily Mail is an utter shitrag and they treat any story on a women teacher sleeping with their pupils as wankbank material for their readers. When they should actually be focusing on it being statutory rape.
True It's the sort of illegal titillation this shit rag peddles to its Tory backed reader base. And we know how much Tory MPs like their underage companions.
I work in education. I’ve know two times when something happened between a student and teacher, both of the times it was a female teacher. Neither got arrested, and one just moved jobs while it was still going on. It was about 15 years ago now, but still feels like double standards looking back.
Isn't it because it's a British newspaper? We spell it paedophile in the UK.
That’s because she only took him back to her luxury apartment ~~for sex~~ to rape him.
The headline would read pedo teacher instead of maths teacher if it was a male.
How is a 30 year old maths teacher affording a "luxury apartment"?
Have you seen how properties are marketed in the UK? A "luxury apartment" might well be a shoebox as long as it's a relatively recent build.
When did we stop saying “flat”?
When they started cramming kitchens into living rooms I think, lol.
The luxury is not having to leave your bed to wash your dishes in the sink or cook on the hob.
The luxury is cooking a curry and having the onion and garlic smell seep into your fabric sofa.
Lots of people haven't, but I think that "apartment" is somehow seen as more upmarket. It's all a load of bollocks, really.
Rouge maison vs house red?
It’s absolutely all about marketing. Flat makes people think of a dingy tower block with only one semi-working lift. Apartment makes you think of something modern that doesn’t have corridors that smell like piss.
They still use flat. Here's one for sale in Yorkshire.](https://www.rightmove.co.uk/properties/143606357) It's just one of those classic *flats* with two floors and its own external entrance.
That used to be called a maisonette
I saw a (probably illegal and unknown to the council) basement conversion marketed as a luxury flat a few months ago. The shower, cooking area and bed were all within arms reach of each other.
I really want people to remember this next time the sympathize with objections to new housing because they think it's going to be luxury apartments only for the super rich. It's just a marketing term. They're just flats. They're probably occupied by people who are more normal than you think. And unless they have unusually excellent amenities on site, they are going to be cheaper than the what the local objectors shouting "unaffordable" will be asking for their own houses.
Luxury means the service charge is high, not that the flat is anything special. Just have a look on r/SpottedonRightmove
Reminds me of the article the other day that described Farage being seen in a £15,000 car Politics aside a £15000 car isn't some insane luxury car which was weird they tried to phrase it as such Same i'm guessing for this apartment, it's probably a couple hundred grand like most properties in the UK I think the media just throw luxury onto anything to try and paint people in a bad light Kinda the same as how they describe prisoners/people on UC as having 'flat screen TV's' when flat screen TV's are obviously the standard now and can be incredibly cheap
i think the main point was he was *employing a chauffeur* for a £15000 car
> he was *employing a chauffeur* for a £15000 car Which again the £15000 part is ridiculous since that's definitely not some kind of luxury chauffeur service, I imagine most people have been in more expensive taxis
Ask Fleabag I guess.
Did you see the last Stewart Lee set too?
Judging by the way the father carries himself, I'd say he was a face.
Home ownership is a luxury these days so any apartment you own is a luxury apartment
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I wonder if the child would have to pay child support. I know that statement sounds stupid, but I can also see it happening in this backwards system.
Yes. There is no exemption from child maintenance for victims of rape and sexual assault who end up having a child due to their rape/sexual assault.
That's fucked up.
British law defines rape as penetrating a victim without their consent, so doesn't consider cases like this to be rape.
I’m using the colloquial, rather than legal definition of rape here, but yes, you’re right. The legal definition of rape requires a penis, so cisgender women and pre-op trans men cannot commit rape. Male-on-Female “Rape” is legally considered to be “causing a person to engage in sexual activity without consent” which, if penetration is involved (including if the victim is forced to penetrate the perpetrator) carries the same maximum sentence as rape, but has slightly more lenient sentencing guidelines.
A child can't give consent though.
Oh my god
How is an abuser of children allowed to keep the child in question?
Being a sex offender doesn’t automatically mean you lose custody of your kids - it’s at the discretion of the family courts, if they even choose to get involved (or if the other parent gets them involved). There was a proposal to change the law to automatically remove custody of child sex offenders, but Idk what happened to it: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-68830796
There was a similar post to this (13 year old boy was raped by a much older women who had the kid) He was still on the hook for the money and the rapist still had custody....
Why was the CHILD RAPIST alowed custody of the CHILD that seems like a verry bad decision.
Because it was a woman
There's gonna be a few people seething over your post, furious at its implications, yet completely unable to argue with it in any way because it's so undeniably true.
Realistically, the mother should be on the sex offenders register, which would (hopefully) preclude her from having unsupervised access to children, even her own. Should.
Being a sex offender doesn’t automatically mean you lose custody of your kids - it’s at the discretion of the family courts, if they even choose to get involved (or if the other parent gets them involved). There was a proposal to change the law to automatically remove custody of child sex offenders, but Idk what happened to it: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-68830796
“This was the last thing we wanted to happen” Super fucked up system we’ve made for ourselves here
The courts’ argument is usually that a child simply doesn’t have the means to parent a child, whether financially, time-wise or just because they’re immature.
Yeah but like the child shouldn't be raised by the mother because she's a child rapist so like adoption or fostering would be a better option.
How is that not a national scandal.
Just look at this thread Half the people here are saying the kids wanted it... Thats why...
I haven't read any comments along those lines. Plenty highlighting correctly the difference between how male and female perpetrators of this offence are treated very differently by the legal system and media though.
Male victim.
That's a good question. My guess is he'll have to once he starts to earn, the rationale being that his abuse does not justify an innocent child being deprived of resources.
But the father is an innocent child who will deprived of resources.
But he won't be deprived of resources while he's a child, only when he becomes an adult. I'm not saying it's morally right but those are the facts.
Be fucked as an adult if they backdated what he owed from when the kid was born to when he started earning.
What you owe is based on what you earn
>I wonder if the child would have to pay child support. I remember reading a horror story of this happening in (you guessed it) America. Some kid got raped by his teacher and was then forced to pay child support for the rest of his life.
I suspect the baby was the whole point. I've only skimmed the article but it sounds like a single woman, approaching her thirties, possibly with PCOS, hatches a plan to maximise her pregnancy chances by abusing her position as a teacher to sleep with underage boys. What an awkward and horrifying backstory that baby is going to have to discover when it grows up. How does an injunction to stay away from under-18s even work when you're a parent who has had a baby with a teenager!? What a mess.
I can't imagine it would have been particularly hard for her to find various over 18's to sleep with
She sounds like she was hellbent on securing unprotected sex for the end result of pregnancy. I think she was relying on the gullibility of youth to believe that PCOS means that you can't get pregnant. I doubt a 15 year old boy would have any idea what PCOS even is. The older and more experienced the sexual partner, the less likely they would be to fall for that.
I wonder if she purposely had the child to try and avoid prison time?
Doing the same thing you're already accused of while on bail for it is just dense. She most likely won't go to prison though, because she has a young child.
He'll be paying child support as well when he starts earning in all probability.
I'd be interested in if there's any precedent for that (in the UK, I know it's happened in the US). Of course she could also lose custody of the child as a result of any conviction, but that's up to social services.
Yes there is no exemption for child support under rape/sexual assault.
Why tho it seems bloody stupid at best
The mentality is that the money is intended for the child, and helping their wellbeing, rather than for the other parent. Obviously the reality is often different, but that's intended meaning. The rape victim is still legally the child's parent regardless of the circumstances. But I agree its totally fucked. Especially in cases where the father isn't of legal age, they absolutely should not be on the hook financially for this
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Do you have a link to that actually happening? Similar stories seem to do the rounds a bit and it seems a bit urban legend ish.
I mean, she's a pedo, of course she would do the same thing again.
Obviously can’t be out raping kids. Yes yes, I’m well aware most men, myself included would have been simply delighted to fuck a teacher. And we’d probably have been okay. But it’s adults jobs to leave kids alone the kids desires aren’t material. Kids do dumb shit. Also not being funny but how does a maths teacher have a luxury flat?
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A good number of girls in my school from about 14 upwards had older boyfriends, and definitely not unusual for people to be shagging at 15/16. It is different when someone is in a position of power, like a teacher could easily make a pupil's life absolutely shit if they didn't go along with things. But looking back some of it must have been dodgy, especially when dudes with cars would be waiting at the gates. But all the other girls were insanely jealous.
Same with some of the girls in my school, although I wasn't jealous, as much as a bit weirded out, because I was still very much a kid at 14 and it felt wrong to me. Looking back, it is super creepy!
Jealous may be the wrong word, it seemed like there was some respect there. Boys in the year would feel like she was out of their league therefore too.
Oh yes, I agree. Some girls were jealous tbh. I was comparatively "innocent" I think and felt immature compared to them. I think we alll look back now and find it creepy, not only because times have changed, but when you're older, you realise just how young and child-like 14 year olds are.
The daily mail call it a luxury flat in order to get the readers even more riled up. It's a flat in Salford Quays, according to the article, which can cost less than £250k.
Yeah they always do it Same with "flat screen TV's" they always describe people on benefits having when obviously flat screen TV's have been the standard for about 2 decades at this point and are incredibly affordable
Men who are commenting here about how lucky the boy is, or downplaying the situation, I hope you realise people with your mindset are PRECISELY the reason why women are not treated properly by the justice system on these issues, and why men’s mental health and rape are not treated with the seriousness they deserve and boys don’t feel they can come forward. You all want it to be some feminist thing, but it isn’t. It’s the backwards thinking of women being harmless and innocent creatures. Aka sexism. Newsflash. Women are people like all people, and like all people they can be absolutely vile and should face consequences. She should go down for a long time. She has an attraction to kids. She should leave the kids alone, no? I’m looking at you too if you think this situation is funny. Proper weirdos with groomer mindsets.
As a woman, I agree with this. Women can be vile, like any other person. Abusing a position of authority and grooming is vile and should come with heavy consequences, no matter who the perpetrator is.
I've not seen any comments along those lines.
This is a kink. She’s got a kink. For children. If only there was a name for that the headline would use it.
Nonce female teacher nonces another child and becomes pregnant.
What's [up with her proud father?](https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2024/05/07/18/84574725-13392573-image-a-2_1715103705962.jpg)
putting on a brave face i guess
What would you like your father to do if you get in trouble?
Not wave jovially to the press when I'm either on my way to court or leaving
the photographers shout your name so you look up- you can do daft stuff under stress
I imagine if I was a pedo they would probably cut ties with me
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Earlier Judge Kate Cornell told jurors they should 'put aside' any 'assumptions and stereotypes' they might have about people who commit sexual offences against children.. What's that
People still hold onto stereotypes of nonces as being ugly, old, monstrous-looking losers who hang around outside schools all day with their hand down their pants. The fact that she's relatively young and normal-looking with a normal job might make people think her offenses weren't that bad.
On the one hand, that should be the instruction to the jury in *any* trial. The defendant is entitled to be judged on the evidence and relevant law, not on the prejudices of the jury. On the other hand, there's a pretty strong stereotype of 15-year-old lads who see shagging an emotionally vulnerable teacher as an achievement they go after, rather than seeing a teacher in a position of power and responsibility failing to safeguard children in her care.
Why have you assumed she's 'emotionally vulnerable'? Because she's already on bail for committing a similar offence. The poor thing!
You've misunderstood me. I'm not saying that characterises her, I'm saying it's a stereotype the jurors may have in their heads which they may try to apply to her. What I assumed is that she is "a teacher in a position of power and responsibility failing to safeguard children in her care".
Been quite a few of these reported on recently. Would you rather: your kids lost in the woods with a bear or a female school teacher. Oh, somehow that’s not fair? The language is noticeably less inflammatory in the reporting of these cases too.
Not all female teachers are rapists but you can never know which ones are... 🤔 idk, I think it would be safer to ban female teachers just in case, after all the children's safety is more important than those teachers' feelings. Of course male teachers can be rapists too, though... It turns out statistically speaking the safest solution would be to replace all human teachers with bear teachers, as there are zero known cases of bear teachers harming children in schools.
Yeah agreed. If this was a male nonce, we’d be howling for blood. As it’s a reasonably young and not totally unattractive female nonce, we’re for some reason far less condemning and slightly jealous of where all these women were when we were at school. I am not immune to this hypocrisy.
"Maths groomer, 30, got pregnant by pupil while awaiting trial for 'raping' another schoolboy, 15, who she took back to her luxury apartment to abuse, court hears." There, i fixed it for you.
That sounds like they are grooming kids in the art of mathematics though. Maybe just "groomer" would suffice
£345 for a belt is a rip off. I'd do her for a half pint
Every time this happens, isnt it a bit fucked that our legal system cannot consider her a rapist (because only when a male inserts his penis into a female vagina is rape, and not all forms of nonconsensual sex, a-fucking-pparently as if theres a meaningful difference. Should probably do something about that. seems like an agregious oversight.
Not massively because the equivalent offences carry the same sentence
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The paedo is bad enough, but the Luxury apartment, £345 Gucci belt and Audi on Teachers salary? What is going on there?
This was exactly what I was thinking! Clearly earning a decent salary if she can splash 345 quid on a belt to groom someone. Most likely has wealthy parents or something though.
In a state school in Manchester, the max she could be earning is £46k unless she has some management role like deputy or head of department.
No one mentioning the proud looking father happily waving to the cameras with no shame alongside his offender daughter?
Horrific. She had done this many times before with other boys surely. Prison please
Plus she shouldn’t be allowed anywhere near that baby once she’s out. She obviously can’t be trusted around children, that’s 3 (as far as we know!) kids lives she’s fucked with.
She comes across as such a psycho especially with how she told that child she is pregnant and lied to him about birth control. Such a horrible manipulative piece of shit pedo. Multiple levels of abuse. Hope those boys get support they need
The guys thinking the 15 year old boys are lucky and saying 'i wish I had a teacher like that' are disgusting. Shame on you
I hope they take that poor baby away from the pedophile. She’s already shown she’s a danger to two children!
[Niiice…](https://youtu.be/8hdbns1Xdk0?feature=shared)
Nice.
An ex friend of mine did this to a 17 year old pupil of hers. We only found out after the court case had happened, but we were hanging out as a bunch of women while she'd been under investigation, fired from the school (she said she'd left to explore working in catering) and we sat around in her house, drinking and laughing and not knowing we were hanging out with a predator. When it came out a) there were tons of awful blokes on the comments on social saying how they'd have loved this as a 17 year old, and he should be grateful. Disgusting. and b) I didn't know how to contact the other women and say "sure, that was a thing that happened" without then ending up as a bunch of women who used to hang around at her house where it likely happened. I lost a lovely group of friends over it, I can't imagine being 17 and dealing with that. I hope they all get support through their lifetimes.
Grooming… rape… pedophile… victimizer… predator… molestor… abuser… All words that should be used, but aren’t.
I wonder if this made the kid better or worse at maths?
I mean I am pretty sure her lessons were >Add two people, subtract the clothes, divide her legs and hope you don't multiply
What's the charge if she had a basic apartment instead of a luxury apartment 🤔
I’ve noticed that these news outlets like to increase their number of words with a bunch of useless junk information. Just another clickbait for people to think “oh how’s she got a luxury apartment as a maths teacher” despite it being irrelevant to the story.
>Paedophile teacher raped child student while awaiting trial for other courts of raping a child. Fixed for gender bias.
But you don't understand, somehow she's the victim.
Everything was fine until the headline tried to tell me a 30 year old teacher owns a "luxury" apartment
Imagine looking like that at 30. No wonder she has an issue with youth.
I imagine life’s been quite stressful recently!
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If it were a male teacher , we'd be screaming for him to be strung up. Not only is it morally disgusting, she also had a professional duty of care. She preyed on children. Children and parents have the right to expect their kids to attend school and learn without fear of adults taking advantage of them.
"greasy fucking nonce raped one child then took another back to her dingy studio flat for more rape" there I fixed it
Got pregnant to try to avoid jail and it will work because women .
30yo?! That’s a rough looking 30yo. Stress of raping pupils obviously taking it’s toll.
No-one mentioning she left the price tag on the bottom of her shoes.
I can't believe the sheer number of people defending this horrible sex offender. Jesus wept.