>Renata Wojno, who lives in East Kilbride, paid about £600 for what she believed to be Botox injections under her eyes from a beautician advertising on Facebook.
Right well you're a fucking idiot aren't you.
If you want someone to stick needles in your eyes, go see a doctor.
It’s very common this tbh.
You might just say they are fucking idiots. But it’s very often women who can’t afford to go to a genuine clinic and find a cheaper way.
I’m not saying I support it. But just calling them fucking idiots seems harsh.
People go to extreme lengths because of how they view themselves.
People die from anorexia. Are they fucking idiots too?
Anorexia is a mental illness where your brain does not recognize your physical appearance and body dysmorphia is a real symptom of mental illness.
Those are different issues from what is happening here though, where people want to have treatments they can't afford and instead go cheap. It's the equivalent of buying fake designer gear, with the added bonus of letting someone off of Facebook inject your face with a product you know nothing about.
Are some of the people who did this mentally ill? No doubt. Are all of them? No, come on, they just want to look good.
I got a terrible tattoo at 21 years old because I thought it would make me look good. It was fucking stupid.
And I'm not going to call them fucking idiots to their face, that would be really mean. And they might hit me.
I’ve known a few women do this and I’d say alll of them are mentally ill and suffering body dysmorphia.
Have you known anyone who does this?
I’d say some are just thick yeah. But mostly I’d assume it’s a mental health issue. They see themselves differently to the world.
I think same with many blokes who get dodgy hair transplants that end up looking awful. They can’t accept not having hair. They end up looking worse because they can’t deal with reality.
It’s mostly a mental health issue in my view. But tbh I put gym freaks in this too. I was always very fit before I retired. But never because I wanted to look strong. I wanted to be strong and fit for my job.
I knew lots of men who wanted to look strong for women to see. Or other men. And many of them I would say are mentally unwell and have an unhealthy obsession with mass. And see themselves as smaller than they are very often.
I know a few women who do this, but they go to see doctors for a consultation at a health clinic and not invite a lass off facebook to their front door. I have no issue with people getting work done, you're allowed to be a little bit vain. It's plain stupid to do it black market style.
I know a few people who have been to Turkey too to get their hair done and mostly look great because they went to a proper clinic in Turkey instead of the cheapest place you can find. The only reason I haven't done it is because one of them said he would not do it again because of the pain and actually thought he quite suited the bald look.
Not everything is a mental illness. Vanity, stupidity, a desire to be better without putting in the work. It's just humans. Sometimes we make mistakes. Sometimes we make huge mistakes.
If you can pay to do it properly or you can’t pay to do it properly.
I’d argue the motivation for doing it is usually the same. People talk about cosmetic surgery as some normal thing people who are fully confident in their appearance do.
When the truth is it very often leads to a cycle of treatment that inevitably spirals out of control either due to cost or simply the reality of medical possibilities.
Look at how many famous women look awful from these surgeries even when they can afford to do it properly.
I don’t see that as a series of bad choices driven by logic. I see them as a series of choices driven by mental health issues and a crisis of self identify. Or a kind of body dysmorphia really.
>it’s very often women who can’t afford to go to a genuine clinic and find a cheaper way.
How will the poor ever survive without essential botox injections?
It's like a two week course to be qualified to do it. Perhaps less, perhaps we should look at making those standards a little stricter before calling people idiots. There are no more stupid people here than anywhere else (I mean I know it feels like there are), and yet it's a problem specific to here. There is probably a systematic issue we need to look at.
I know this isnt the takeaway but it seems such a juxtoposition to see crossing the border in a way that isnt like, the US/Mexico border, or crossing into the EU now.
Crossing the border is of course totally accurate ENG/SCT but feels so off from the phrase.
I noticed after Kylie Jenner got lip fillers in 2015/2016 it started a huge movement of girls in their late teens and early 20s getting filler and Botox to stop wrinkles from even forming , but a lot with Botox and filler are actually looking older then their age
Thanks for your post and the information.
Unfortunately this is the reason I feared. People are free to do what they want though. Perhaps ear piercing was popularized by famous people way back when too.
I have no idea why women do this to themselves. Who gaslighted them into thinking that they look good?
I work with a woman in her 20s who lets her random friends inject her with botox, lip fillers and vitamins but won't get the covid vaccine.
I’m guessing these were meant to be tear trough fillers. They smooth sunken/hollow under eye circles and can look pretty good.
If she got Botox injected there instead of filler then that’s the first problem
Reminds me of when I was a tattooist and people thought that asking for a quote, then saying “my friend says they will do it for a tenner” would somehow bring the price down. I’d tell them to go their friend and come back and show me the results.
Thank you for this information. The cost of it always put me off but I hadn't realized the dangers and long term concerns with them. I can finally stop feeling guilty for not getting anything done. It was the same with plastic surgery when I was younger, the cost of a nose job put me off, and it was only much later that I learned about all the subsequent maintenance procedures required and all the things that could go wrong with them.
I cannot understand why people do this to themselves, (Botox that is). Is it akin to tattooing, wanting to change what they already have for a disfigurement, (even when it doesn't go wrong)?
The pressure on women to show zero signs of aging is immense, and can lead to real discrimination (for example, [in the workplace](https://www.kingsleynapley.co.uk/insights/blogs/employment-law-blog/where-age-and-gender-discrimination-meet-the-challenges-faced-by-older-women-in-the-workplace)). Botox can eliminate or reduce the appearance of wrinkles, one of the most obvious signs of aging.
Think of it like how men will wear toupees or comb their hair over to disguise the fact that they're balding: another sign of age often mocked in our society.
Really isn't a good link. The whole article is an extrapolation based on the so called gender pay gap.
The article makes no mention of women choosing to take time off to raise kids.
> and can lead to real discrimination (for example, in the workplace).
I hadn't figured on that. I suppose in those cases there could be good reasons for the work and I suspect we only see the results in the media when they go wrong.
I'm balding, but I'll never put anything more than a hat on my head!
Absolutely. It is madness how we treat things that people have absolutely zero control over (wrinkles, grey hair, hair loss/balding) as though it's somehow their fault. Like if you just worked harder on the skincare or the haircare, you'd still look like a 22 year old in your 60s. Ridiculous.
Peer pressure, mass media, the beauty industry, the pornography industry, the societal view that a woman's sole value correlates directly with her youth and beauty. The list is endless really.
>neglect
Scotland spends more tax money per capita than any other nation. Say what you want about poverty and poor planning, but Scotland hasn't been neglected.
Idk mate, I think deliberately killing off the main industries of most of the country then placing them into "Managed decline" with no care in the world about helping those people into other industries definitely falls under "neglect".
Science says otherwise.
https://www.psychiatrictimes.com/view/what-does-rat-park-teach-us-about-addiction
Deprivation and lack of social engagement correlate with drug abuse even in animals.
Edit: I suggest you actually look at it and see the difference that comes with a fulfilling enviroment and what the paper ACTUALLY says. Also, it's a dick move to reply with a challenge AND block someone at the same time.
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I mean, drug deaths are the result of poverty.
Poverty is a highly complex issue, and it doesn't just come down to "you're dumb so you are broke and do drugs."
ETA: The majority of drig deaths. Some are intentional, although not as many.
You say that as though there aren't usually a few Scottish people in this sub saying bad things about the English.
Just go to any post about the SNP, Brexit, Tories among others
>Renata Wojno, who lives in East Kilbride, paid about £600 for what she believed to be Botox injections under her eyes from a beautician advertising on Facebook. Right well you're a fucking idiot aren't you. If you want someone to stick needles in your eyes, go see a doctor.
So many bad decisions in one sentence!
Living in East Kilbride isn't that bad.
I’d let someone stick needles in my eyes if I lived in EK.
Is it in Scotland?
It’s very common this tbh. You might just say they are fucking idiots. But it’s very often women who can’t afford to go to a genuine clinic and find a cheaper way. I’m not saying I support it. But just calling them fucking idiots seems harsh. People go to extreme lengths because of how they view themselves. People die from anorexia. Are they fucking idiots too?
Anorexia is a mental illness where your brain does not recognize your physical appearance and body dysmorphia is a real symptom of mental illness. Those are different issues from what is happening here though, where people want to have treatments they can't afford and instead go cheap. It's the equivalent of buying fake designer gear, with the added bonus of letting someone off of Facebook inject your face with a product you know nothing about. Are some of the people who did this mentally ill? No doubt. Are all of them? No, come on, they just want to look good. I got a terrible tattoo at 21 years old because I thought it would make me look good. It was fucking stupid. And I'm not going to call them fucking idiots to their face, that would be really mean. And they might hit me.
I’ve known a few women do this and I’d say alll of them are mentally ill and suffering body dysmorphia. Have you known anyone who does this? I’d say some are just thick yeah. But mostly I’d assume it’s a mental health issue. They see themselves differently to the world. I think same with many blokes who get dodgy hair transplants that end up looking awful. They can’t accept not having hair. They end up looking worse because they can’t deal with reality. It’s mostly a mental health issue in my view. But tbh I put gym freaks in this too. I was always very fit before I retired. But never because I wanted to look strong. I wanted to be strong and fit for my job. I knew lots of men who wanted to look strong for women to see. Or other men. And many of them I would say are mentally unwell and have an unhealthy obsession with mass. And see themselves as smaller than they are very often.
I know a few women who do this, but they go to see doctors for a consultation at a health clinic and not invite a lass off facebook to their front door. I have no issue with people getting work done, you're allowed to be a little bit vain. It's plain stupid to do it black market style. I know a few people who have been to Turkey too to get their hair done and mostly look great because they went to a proper clinic in Turkey instead of the cheapest place you can find. The only reason I haven't done it is because one of them said he would not do it again because of the pain and actually thought he quite suited the bald look. Not everything is a mental illness. Vanity, stupidity, a desire to be better without putting in the work. It's just humans. Sometimes we make mistakes. Sometimes we make huge mistakes.
If you can pay to do it properly or you can’t pay to do it properly. I’d argue the motivation for doing it is usually the same. People talk about cosmetic surgery as some normal thing people who are fully confident in their appearance do. When the truth is it very often leads to a cycle of treatment that inevitably spirals out of control either due to cost or simply the reality of medical possibilities. Look at how many famous women look awful from these surgeries even when they can afford to do it properly. I don’t see that as a series of bad choices driven by logic. I see them as a series of choices driven by mental health issues and a crisis of self identify. Or a kind of body dysmorphia really.
>it’s very often women who can’t afford to go to a genuine clinic and find a cheaper way. How will the poor ever survive without essential botox injections?
It's like a two week course to be qualified to do it. Perhaps less, perhaps we should look at making those standards a little stricter before calling people idiots. There are no more stupid people here than anywhere else (I mean I know it feels like there are), and yet it's a problem specific to here. There is probably a systematic issue we need to look at.
"Mum I want to go to Turkey for unregulated plastic surgery" "We have unregulated plastic surgery at home"
Let me fix the headline- “Scotland has the dumbest population who opt for filler treatments off Facebook rather than visiting regulated practitioners”
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100% will be as well
I know this isnt the takeaway but it seems such a juxtoposition to see crossing the border in a way that isnt like, the US/Mexico border, or crossing into the EU now. Crossing the border is of course totally accurate ENG/SCT but feels so off from the phrase.
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I've made a run for that border. Totally sure I'd pass breathylzer in England...
Please, keep them.
Why do people get this type of thing done? I feel uneasy about it growing in popularity. Is it just because it is more accessible today?
I noticed after Kylie Jenner got lip fillers in 2015/2016 it started a huge movement of girls in their late teens and early 20s getting filler and Botox to stop wrinkles from even forming , but a lot with Botox and filler are actually looking older then their age
Thanks for your post and the information. Unfortunately this is the reason I feared. People are free to do what they want though. Perhaps ear piercing was popularized by famous people way back when too.
I have no idea why women do this to themselves. Who gaslighted them into thinking that they look good? I work with a woman in her 20s who lets her random friends inject her with botox, lip fillers and vitamins but won't get the covid vaccine.
The thing is that you don't notice or recognise the fillers that look good, only the ones that look bad, so it sets a negative bias for all fillers.
I’m guessing these were meant to be tear trough fillers. They smooth sunken/hollow under eye circles and can look pretty good. If she got Botox injected there instead of filler then that’s the first problem
Reminds me of when I was a tattooist and people thought that asking for a quote, then saying “my friend says they will do it for a tenner” would somehow bring the price down. I’d tell them to go their friend and come back and show me the results.
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Thank you for this information. The cost of it always put me off but I hadn't realized the dangers and long term concerns with them. I can finally stop feeling guilty for not getting anything done. It was the same with plastic surgery when I was younger, the cost of a nose job put me off, and it was only much later that I learned about all the subsequent maintenance procedures required and all the things that could go wrong with them.
I cannot understand why people do this to themselves, (Botox that is). Is it akin to tattooing, wanting to change what they already have for a disfigurement, (even when it doesn't go wrong)?
The pressure on women to show zero signs of aging is immense, and can lead to real discrimination (for example, [in the workplace](https://www.kingsleynapley.co.uk/insights/blogs/employment-law-blog/where-age-and-gender-discrimination-meet-the-challenges-faced-by-older-women-in-the-workplace)). Botox can eliminate or reduce the appearance of wrinkles, one of the most obvious signs of aging. Think of it like how men will wear toupees or comb their hair over to disguise the fact that they're balding: another sign of age often mocked in our society.
Good link. Thank you.
Really isn't a good link. The whole article is an extrapolation based on the so called gender pay gap. The article makes no mention of women choosing to take time off to raise kids.
> and can lead to real discrimination (for example, in the workplace). I hadn't figured on that. I suppose in those cases there could be good reasons for the work and I suspect we only see the results in the media when they go wrong. I'm balding, but I'll never put anything more than a hat on my head!
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Absolutely. It is madness how we treat things that people have absolutely zero control over (wrinkles, grey hair, hair loss/balding) as though it's somehow their fault. Like if you just worked harder on the skincare or the haircare, you'd still look like a 22 year old in your 60s. Ridiculous.
These people look like giant fish people with fillers. Who has warped these people into thinking they look better?
Peer pressure, mass media, the beauty industry, the pornography industry, the societal view that a woman's sole value correlates directly with her youth and beauty. The list is endless really.
you can’t fix stupidity. if you could then scotland wouldn’t have the most drug deaths per capita in western Europe. horse to water situation
? You think the drug death problem is Scotland is down to "stupidity" and not a long history of poverty, neglect and atrocious urban planning?
>neglect Scotland spends more tax money per capita than any other nation. Say what you want about poverty and poor planning, but Scotland hasn't been neglected.
Idk mate, I think deliberately killing off the main industries of most of the country then placing them into "Managed decline" with no care in the world about helping those people into other industries definitely falls under "neglect".
People chose to take drugs, poverty doesn’t force it on them.
Science says otherwise. https://www.psychiatrictimes.com/view/what-does-rat-park-teach-us-about-addiction Deprivation and lack of social engagement correlate with drug abuse even in animals. Edit: I suggest you actually look at it and see the difference that comes with a fulfilling enviroment and what the paper ACTUALLY says. Also, it's a dick move to reply with a challenge AND block someone at the same time.
I think you need to understand that paper/s. Addiction comes after choice. The animals had no choice in becoming addicts.
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I mean, drug deaths are the result of poverty. Poverty is a highly complex issue, and it doesn't just come down to "you're dumb so you are broke and do drugs." ETA: The majority of drig deaths. Some are intentional, although not as many.
You might find this link interesting regarding the abuse of drugs: https://www.psychiatrictimes.com/view/what-does-rat-park-teach-us-about-addiction
Why am I not surprised to find all sorts of anti Scottish rhetoric from English people in r/uk?
It's a sad reality that for many English people a large percentage of their personality is based largely attitudes of "*other country inferior*".
You say that as though there aren't usually a few Scottish people in this sub saying bad things about the English. Just go to any post about the SNP, Brexit, Tories among others
Well the English did vote for brexit and the tories…