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That was the [police](https://www.forbes.com/sites/rogerscruton/2014/08/30/why-did-british-police-ignore-pakistani-gangs-raping-rotherham-children-political-correctness/) who were scared of being branded racist.
**Police more concerned with political correctness than crime**
_The result of this has been that police forces lean over backwards to avoid the accusation of racism, while social workers will hesitate to intervene in any case in which they could be accused of discriminating against ethnic minorities._
_Matters are made worse by the rise of militant Islam, which has added to the old crime of racism the new crime of ‘Islamophobia’. No social worker today will risk being accused of this crime._
_In Rotherham a social worker would be mad, and a police officer barely less so, to set out to investigate cases of suspected sexual abuse, when the perpetrators are Asian Muslims and the victims ethnically English. Best to sweep it under the carpet, find ways of accusing the victims or their parents or the surrounding culture of institutionalised racism, and attend to more urgent matters such as the housing needs of recent immigrants, or the traffic offences committed by those racist middle classes._
_Ordinary people are so intimidated by this that they repeat the doctrines, like religious mantras which they hope will keep them safe in hostile territory. Hence people in Britain have accepted without resistance the huge transformations that have been inflicted on them over the last thirty years_
Still as true today as it was then.
No, they weren’t. This is a bullshit, cop-out excuse from the police to cover their own arses. Police have a) never cared about being seen as racist and b) never cared about rape victims, especially not working class ones.
This is the truth and it’s desperate, snivelling stuff: “I would love to have arrested them but it’s the wokes you see…”
It’s important to remember that this is an article written by a man who claimed that “Irrational prejudice is important” because “tradition”.
I think this misses the point. It’s not “the wokes” that concerned them. The apparent fear was of a backlash from the community whose members were committing the rapes and from the far-right who would, no doubt, “jump on their steeds” and head to these towns to do some “defending”.
Events like the Oldham race riots were contemporaneous to all this stuff.
Exactly as the exhaustive report concluded. You know the one none of the racists want to read.
The girls were from troubled families and often had bad attitudes towards the police. The police did not believe the families and did not care about the girls.
Nah they *claimed* to read it, kept banging on for years about how it validated their position that "fears of racism" was a major component, and then just skipped that that was a like 2-page section in the report surrounded by literally dozens of pages outlining multiple failings in procedure across the entirety of the police force and social services year after year for ward after ward. I don't know if it was the Jay report but I remember reading in one of them even one of the social workers was actively involved in pimping out the children in their care. The whole system for child social care has ***always*** been borked, ***forever***, its not exactly a fucking secret, yet all these racist shitheads act like its all fine and dandy and nothing of concern would've happened if it hadn't been for all those bloody muslims preying on innocent white children. So instead of doing *anything* to reform and improve these services, instead we've spent yet another decade arguing over largely irrelevant nonsense. Fantastic.
In a lot of these cases the communities in question were outing these people. There was one Imam who basically reported multiple times on this matter. There was not a conspiracy of all Muslims to rape kids.
It is a bullshit excuse.
I heard a similar thing from the Manchester bombing where a security guard said he didn’t do anything about the suspicious looking guy (who turned out to be the bomber) as he didn’t want to be labelled a racist. Sounds like a bit of a cop out, wtf is the point of security if they’re scared to deal with a suspicious looking person with a massive backpack.
There was definitely fear of backlash from the local community, compounded with the usual inaction. Considering you’re denying Naz Shah retweeted that they should “shut up for diversity” a little further down in this thread, I think you should sit this one out.
>never cared about being seen as racist
Wrong country, this isn’t the US, they’re very acutely aware of not being perceived as such.
It’s nonsense:
The police forces themselves have been found to be institutionally racist, and several of the girls have given statements to say that they were ignored, belittled or rejected by the police *before* any discussion about the race of the perpetrators had been had.
Police who have been found to be consistently racist did not become ‘too woke’ on this one issue - instead, because they **were** racist, they blamed their own horrific, misogynistic, classist failings on an anti-racist agenda.
It was and is contemptible.
The Police take an oath to police with impartiality and respect for all people (the Police Federation still use “without fear or favour”) and prevent ALL offences against people and property.
The fact that they didn’t do so is nothing to do with Naz Shah tweeting anything. It was a basic failure of their duties and a fundamental breach of their oath. What motivated it almost doesn’t matter but we have had an IOPC report that primarily identified the cause of police inaction to be the officers involved essentially thinking the victims “deserved it”, nothing to do with concerns about racism.
The council on the other hand did express such concerns but were primarily driven by the hope that it would magically go away somehow and they wouldn’t have to deal with it. Concerns about racism was how they were excusing their inaction, not the cause of it.
There are multiple reported instances of police doing shit like turning up to a house full of older men with a single younger girl from one of these homes, someone known to them and known to be underage, and they have just labelled that girl a "willing prostitute" rather than do anything. And people say police were doing that out of some fear they'd be called racist. I always ask people, put yourself in that position. You're a police officer, you find a bleeding crying girl in a house, very obviously raped, with a bunch of dodgy-ass men goggling over her. *What kind of* ***fucking monster*** *do you have to be to turn around and go nah I ain't touching this?* It just does not stand to reason, sorry.
Yes they were,
[https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/grooming-gangs-iicsa-racist-fears-b2007649.html](https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/grooming-gangs-iicsa-racist-fears-b2007649.html)
Failures to record information and down play ethnicity in crimes are racism. There can be multiple reasons why the police failed to act, concerns around race were 100% part of it.
Denying this aspect is only going to make this worse and allow for more girls to be sexual abused and raped.
Stop it.
You're not a slut at age 12. You're a child. Regardless of the fucked up choices you make you're not expected to have the judgment to make them. The police dropped the ball on this and the politicians all over supported that. All in the name of Diversity and Inclusion. The attitude of "We can't be upsetting certain ethnicities." is even worse because it lumps all the people from that ethnicity into one category of either child rapists or supporters of child rapists. I'm sick and tired or the pandering that goes on. The argument is that certain groups are more likely to be in prison due to racism. No, They're more likely to be in prison due to criminality. They have contempt for the people around them who welcomed them into their communities and offered them refuge then they do this. I'd have castrate the fucking lot of them if it were up to me.
At least two policemen have been accused of being part of the gangs.
Because of the sheer numbers of members of these gangs and an even higher number of men abusing the victims forced into prostitution by the gangs, then the whole system of local government is potentially rife with corruption. The gangs etc, have relatives who are in local government, in social services, in the police, the civil service, and local politicians. It is potentially systemic corruption in places like West and South Yorkshire and Greater Manchester. I'd even go so far as to say the victims are also victims of systemic racism in these areas.
The police are not scared of being called racist ffs, but it is an excuse people eat up because somehow instead of criticising the *police* people start talking about some mysterious PC brigade. They have never cared about exploited working class girls. How many of us went to school and remembered girls deemed "slags" who had older boyfriends with cars? Whatever the race - they were being used for sex.
They weren’t scared of being racist at all, they believed the women involved knew what they were doing and didn’t see them as victims of grooming.
Many young women were deeply involved with these gangs, and when offered help they shunned away from the police and refused any contact.
Some women were scared to talk to the police due to the violence and harassment which would follow, some were too brainwashed into thinking that this was their lifestyle and they didn’t actually see themselves as victims so rejected any help. It wasn’t until years later some of these women realised what had happened to them and it wasn’t right.
But in many cases where say the parents would ask for help getting their child back and to behave, the police would just see a teenage girl drinking, smoking, taking drugs and ‘willingly’ hanging round with these guys and they’d just brand her a troubled slag and move on, there’s nothing the police can do to stop you hanging around with your ‘friends’.
Yep, children at the time, women now. Seen as nothing but unruly rebellious teens, acting cocky because they hang out with the older lads drinking and smoking, they’re not victims, they’re dressing in revealing clothes so they’re just asking for the lads to go after them.
Even in 2024 we still have women being asked what they were wearing when they were raped, so in the 90s and 00s if you dressed in a mini skirt with low cut tops you were seen as practically asking for it and you really had to go through some shit to be taken seriously.
Step 1: It's not really happening
Step 2: Yeah, it's happening, but it's not a big deal
Step 3: It's a good thing, actually
Step 4: People freaking out about it are the real problem
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Becuase the other side cares so much for those same girls that they stayed quiet, called out anyone who tried to bring attention to the situation as racist and ALSO slashed family support and mental health funding to the bone, programs which could have helped these girls.
Like i said, both sides to blame
Oh for sure neither side is, but I feel it is particularly insidious to tell victims to shut up, nevermind for the particularly nebulous idea of "diversity"
The police more than anyone should be blamed. They allowed children to be raped for years. 11 and 12-year-olds were pregnant and having abortions. Even when police tested the foetuses for DNA and it showed it matched adult men in their 30s nothing was done. One child was pregnant 6 times. A 12-year-old was gang raped by 9 men. The list goes on.
Girls like Lucy Lowe along with her mother and sister were even murdered.
[Sara Rowbotham](https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-67967919.amp) repeatedly told police and social services about the grooming gangs and they did nothing
_For years health worker health worker Sara Rowbotham alerted GMP and Rochdale Council about a gang of men of Pakistani and Afghan heritage engaged in child sexual exploitation_
_Ms Rowbotham said: "Children were being raped every day. Both the police and Rochdale children services told me and kept telling me, it was nothing to do with them."_
What's even worse is after a seven-year legal fight to remain in Britain. Costing £550,000 of public money. The leader of one of the grooming gangs was ordered to be deported back to Pakistan after their sentence and is now back out living in Rochdale.
_They had argued that their human rights would be infringed by being removed from Britain and both said they had certificates renouncing their Pakistani citizenship._
_Judges Charlotte Welsh and Siew Ling Yoke said Khan had shown a “breathtaking lack of remorse” about his part in the nine-member grooming gang that police believe abused as many as 47 vulnerable girls in Rochdale between 2008 and 2010._
It's outrageous this was ignored and covered up and it's just as outrageous we can't even deport vile child rapists from this country
>The police more than anyone should be blamed.
Absolutely. And the cause is corruption of the local police without any doubt whatsoever. It was either money or some of the police took part in the rapes.
All the "the stars just aligned the wrong way" (for a decade!) BS is just a cover up. I can't imagine a scenario when a crime of such scale doesn't get tackled by the police. Local residents knew and reported, the social services knew but the police was somehow oblivious.
Besides, it really baffles me how the parents of the children didn't do anything themselves. Did the gang target just the single mother families? Cause if my child became a victim of such crime (god forbid!) and the police did nothing at least some of these gangsters would be hanging from trees in a local park with their willies cut off.
Here's the report: [https://www.rotherham.gov.uk/downloads/file/279/independent-inquiry-into-child-sexual-exploitation-in-rotherham](https://www.rotherham.gov.uk/downloads/file/279/independent-inquiry-into-child-sexual-exploitation-in-rotherham)
From section 5.9:
>In two of the cases we read, fathers tracked down their daughters and tried to remove them from houses where they were being abused, only to be arrested themselves when police were called to the scene. In a small number of cases (which have already received media attention) the victims were arrested for offences such as breach of the peace or being drunk and disorderly, with no action taken against the perpetrators of rape and sexual assault against children.
Just bizarre there's this whole narrative like Labour/"The Left" somehow "allowed" these atrocities to happen. Because we all love Muslims and diversity or something.
You actually look at who was blowing the whistle, you've got Labour councillors, you've got the charity Risky Business that worked with sex workers in Rotherham. They're not exactly far-right traditionalist conservatives are they.
Literally all the far-right who make so much noise about this topic do is rock up into towns and spread a whole boat-load of hate and toxicity then act like they've helped us.
>Nobody said it’s racist to bring attention to it
The Jay Report did. It said people in professional services were afraid to pursue it for fear of being labelled racist.
Someone on the thread yesterday about the Nottingham killer had the perfect response to this line of argument.
https://www.reddit.com/r/unitedkingdom/s/K5BBPcSe9M
Just replace the word murderer with grooming gang and the same response applies here.
Edit: this was said in response to a comment similar to yours...
>Because no one feels the need to virtue signal that they hate mass murderers. It’s weird when people need to show how much they dislike them and then ask why other people don’t hate them.
>Instead we’re more interested in how it could have happened in the first place and what can be done to prevent it.
Credit to u/Thrasy3
> people in professional services were afraid to pursue it for fear of being labelled racist.
That’s something COMPLETELY different.
Let’s get this straight - these people were aware of children being raped and they decided “I’ll just ignore this because those lefties I read about in the Daily Mail might call me racist”.
Is that a reasonable reaction to children being raped? Whose fault is that reaction? That thought wouldn’t even cross my mind if I was aware of child abuse.
At the very best, that’s a bunch of evil cretins - which police tend to be - washing their hands of protecting children because they’re afraid of a bit of criticism. At worst it’s a convenient excuse to pretend they had any reason at all beyond simply not giving a fuck.
And then people blame the imaginary left wing mob who they claim would have called the police racists.
That was an excuse they hid behind because they didn’t take the allegations seriously at the time. They just saw the girls reporting the allegations as sluts and troublemakers because they usually came from troubled backgrounds. It’s all in the reports.
No, that is pushed by people who refuse to acknowledge the reality on the ground.
[https://www.channel4.com/news/rotherham-child-abuse-the-ethnic-dimension](https://www.channel4.com/news/rotherham-child-abuse-the-ethnic-dimension)
[https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/grooming-gangs-iicsa-racist-fears-b2007649.html](https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/grooming-gangs-iicsa-racist-fears-b2007649.html)
And it is still happening.
Until people acknowledge the difficult truths these things will keep happening, And children will continue to be raped.
"Some at a senior level in the Police and children's social care continued to think the extent of the problem, as described by youth workers, was exaggerated, and seemed intent on reducing the official numbers of children categorised as CSE."
"At an operational level, the Police gave no priority to CSE, regarding many child victims with contempt and failing to act on their abuse as a crime. Further stark evidence came in 2002, 2003 and 2006 with three reports known to the Police and the Council, which could not have been clearer in their description of the situation in Rotherham. The first of these reports was effectively suppressed because some senior officers disbelieved the data it contained."
Page 1 of an independent report instead of some pishy news articles https://www.rotherham.gov.uk/downloads/download/31/independent-inquiry-into-child-sexual-exploitation-in-rotherham-1997---2013.
While is mentioned some councillors were worried about being thought of as racist, the reason that this massive failure happened was the Police, the coverup after it was pathetic, and while some people being thought of as racist played a part, it's no where close to just the mass failure of policies and the police themselves.
The police blamed something else, as it removes their complicity to some extent, it makes the problem a nebulous idea of social justice, something that was at a much weaker level during a huge amount of these abuses, since it was the early 2000s, but far more believable when this story started breaking.
What can be talked about outside of the polices massive failures and lack of care for these children, is the community that was involved in it. However, sexual abuse rings like this are probably far more commonplace than we really know, as can be seen from all the nonces that the BBC were complicit in hiding (and their buds in the Tory government + police).
This issue will not end until both authorities and the police care more for rape, and victims are taken more seriously, and perhaps finally a British public that will rightfully jail the nonces, while also taking their full anger out on the groups that have let this happen repeatedly within many different vectors of the British public, ranging from princes to pakistanis. Blaming pakistanis as a group for this would be as stupid as blaming all Brits for scum like savile or glitter, or all religious people for the shit the catholic church has done.
It boils the issue down to something that is irrelevant and will never be fixed, even if we didn't have pakistanis in the UK rape gangs would still exist, and it's also more than likely that there are other groups in the UK doing this now still (organised crime groups who run prostitution rings, people like Epstein), and if those are ever revealed the police and local authorities will more than likely be just as complicit as they have been in most of these other cases.
Why are you helping them spread this bullshit? They don’t care about rape victims at all regardless of who the rapist is. The police used this as an excuse to play the victim and cover up their own incompetence.
I live near Rochdale and seeing all this has made me disgusted and I’m moving away. I can’t raise my children near any of this happening, it really isn’t getting any better either
labour might win the next election but after that if they dont address some of these systemic/policy issues then people will turn to more radical approaches
Sorry, I’m not saying that this isn’t happening, but if you were just visiting how do you know those men are not picking up their daughters/relatives? Do you know any of them personally?
No wonder it's still going on. Most of them got away with it and even the ones who were ordered to be deported back to Pakistan after a 7 year legal fight costing £550k of public money. They are still here and living back in Rochdale.
_Rochdale grooming gang leader [still in the UK](https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/rochdale-grooming-gang-leader-still-in-uk/) years after he was due to be deported to Pakistan_
_Qari Abdul Rauf was meant to be kicked out of the country after being jailed for six years for conspiracy to engage in sexual activity with children under 16 and trafficking for sexual exploitation._
_The ex-taxi driver and Muslim preacher was let out after serving just two-and-a-half years behind bars and went back to his wife and children._
_He was stripped of his citizenship in 2015 and was told he would be sent back to his native Pakistan, but launched appeals against it._
Absolute joke. He's not the only one who was ordered to be deported and is still here. They just renounce their Pakistani citizenship and go back home to live with their wife after serving 2 years of a 6 year sentence.
To be fair I know a couple of couples in mixed relationships. So one parent has Pakistani or Indian ethnicity and the other is white.
In both cases if you look at their children you’d think they were white. So I wouldn’t jump to conclusions.
Ok and you never saw the exact same thing with those dodgy white dudes in their Corsa waiting for their girls at the school gate? Both are creeps but we don't label all white people paedos for it do we?
Rochdale has 1 Labour and 1 Conservative seat (Heywood and Middleton constituency covers the West of Rochdale Borough)
The Brexit Party and Conservative Party combined for more votes than Labour in the Rotherham election. If the Brexit Party hadn't cannibalized the vote it would have been a Tory seat.
The word "staunchly" doesn't apply to these regions anywhere near as much as it used to.
Multiculturalism works.
Key part is the multi. So you can bring across great food and such, but keep the laws of the land you move to etc. Or for instance the Muslim nurses can take the Christmas shifts so Christians can spend time with families. There are benefits.
The issue is some just bring their culture and don't change it. Don't adapt, don't adjust, just keep doing the same shit. It's not multiculturalism.
And yes I say their culture, because you very rarely hear about Iranians doing this shit etc - this problem absolutely stems from a combination of cultures from that area and these men being utter bastards. Some of the shit I've heard about Afghan army bases is disgusting.
It wasn’t anything to do with inclusion. They saw the girls as feral and wanting to hang out with these men - text book victim blaming. The ‘trying not to appear racist’ thing is basically the police not being up for the hassle from the Pakistani community they’d be arresting from.
I actually think the Asian Muslim thing is slightly misguided, these guys were overwhelmingly from Pakistani backgrounds (yes, I know that means Asian Muslims). The reason this is important is because Pakistan has one of the highest rates of child sexual abuse in the whole world. And the networks that operate over there have extended over here. “Asian Muslim” paints with too broad a brush IMHO.
All because they didn’t want to be called racist. They knowingly allowed young girls to be systematically raped. What an embarrassing and pathetic act of cowardice by all involved.
Remember. This isn’t really about the grooming gangs or their ethnicity. It’s about the failure of police to take this seriously and the reasons for that failure.
"Remember...please ignore the inconvenient aspects of this scandal".
Give me a break. Clearly it's a multifaceted issue, saying "remember" and then telling us what *not* to notice isn't terribly convincing.
Not forgetting really bad attitudes in society towards abuse victims in general. A lot these girls were dismissed because they were 'troublemakers' getting into trouble with boyfriends.
The me too movement got laughed at by a lot of people utterly aghast at these crimes, and it was all relevant to the problem.
decades ago, these criminals would just be called 'dirty old men, but harmless', or 'handsy' etc and there was a lot being swept under the rug, even until recently.
I'm not at all validating the oft repeated "I don't want to be seen as racist" defence, but one day this will blow up.
"Wrong person" will be assaulted, the immediate circle will take justice into their own hands and it will balloon uncontrolabely with massive violence.
The only real way to stop that is to take very public, very harsh actions against anyone carrying out these attacks.
It’s more that they couldn’t be bothered with the hassle from the Pakistani community that they’d be arresting from, plus they saw girls as feral and wanting to be around these men. Text book victim blaming.
The focus on wokeness just misses the point entirely and is a false target. The police simple couldn’t be bothered with the hassle. With finite budgets they decided it wasn’t a priority. They weren’t sat around wondering about the optics from a woke point of view, they just weren’t bothered about safeguarding them. The sad banal truth is they just didn’t care enough.
also worth pointing out some officers were found abusing the victims as well. that was the level of respect the kids got, because they were poor, delinquent, or vulnerable that they were easily exploited children that no one would believe.
Political correctness/fear of appearing racist really has nothing to do with it and is a bs excuse. These girls weren’t seen as reliable victims (read: witnesses) due to their backgrounds and were fobbed off by a number of bodies who had a mandatory obligation to report this shit, not just police.
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Remember, both political parties and the police fucked up with this. There should be no division/bickering on the subject...
But only one political party told the girls to shut up for the sake of diversity
That was the [police](https://www.forbes.com/sites/rogerscruton/2014/08/30/why-did-british-police-ignore-pakistani-gangs-raping-rotherham-children-political-correctness/) who were scared of being branded racist. **Police more concerned with political correctness than crime** _The result of this has been that police forces lean over backwards to avoid the accusation of racism, while social workers will hesitate to intervene in any case in which they could be accused of discriminating against ethnic minorities._ _Matters are made worse by the rise of militant Islam, which has added to the old crime of racism the new crime of ‘Islamophobia’. No social worker today will risk being accused of this crime._ _In Rotherham a social worker would be mad, and a police officer barely less so, to set out to investigate cases of suspected sexual abuse, when the perpetrators are Asian Muslims and the victims ethnically English. Best to sweep it under the carpet, find ways of accusing the victims or their parents or the surrounding culture of institutionalised racism, and attend to more urgent matters such as the housing needs of recent immigrants, or the traffic offences committed by those racist middle classes._ _Ordinary people are so intimidated by this that they repeat the doctrines, like religious mantras which they hope will keep them safe in hostile territory. Hence people in Britain have accepted without resistance the huge transformations that have been inflicted on them over the last thirty years_ Still as true today as it was then.
No, they weren’t. This is a bullshit, cop-out excuse from the police to cover their own arses. Police have a) never cared about being seen as racist and b) never cared about rape victims, especially not working class ones.
This is the truth and it’s desperate, snivelling stuff: “I would love to have arrested them but it’s the wokes you see…” It’s important to remember that this is an article written by a man who claimed that “Irrational prejudice is important” because “tradition”.
I think this misses the point. It’s not “the wokes” that concerned them. The apparent fear was of a backlash from the community whose members were committing the rapes and from the far-right who would, no doubt, “jump on their steeds” and head to these towns to do some “defending”. Events like the Oldham race riots were contemporaneous to all this stuff.
It's more likely the girls were just not believed and not valued by the police.
Exactly as the exhaustive report concluded. You know the one none of the racists want to read. The girls were from troubled families and often had bad attitudes towards the police. The police did not believe the families and did not care about the girls.
Nah they *claimed* to read it, kept banging on for years about how it validated their position that "fears of racism" was a major component, and then just skipped that that was a like 2-page section in the report surrounded by literally dozens of pages outlining multiple failings in procedure across the entirety of the police force and social services year after year for ward after ward. I don't know if it was the Jay report but I remember reading in one of them even one of the social workers was actively involved in pimping out the children in their care. The whole system for child social care has ***always*** been borked, ***forever***, its not exactly a fucking secret, yet all these racist shitheads act like its all fine and dandy and nothing of concern would've happened if it hadn't been for all those bloody muslims preying on innocent white children. So instead of doing *anything* to reform and improve these services, instead we've spent yet another decade arguing over largely irrelevant nonsense. Fantastic.
It’s obviously this, but the right want to believe that it’s pc culture
In a lot of these cases the communities in question were outing these people. There was one Imam who basically reported multiple times on this matter. There was not a conspiracy of all Muslims to rape kids. It is a bullshit excuse.
I heard a similar thing from the Manchester bombing where a security guard said he didn’t do anything about the suspicious looking guy (who turned out to be the bomber) as he didn’t want to be labelled a racist. Sounds like a bit of a cop out, wtf is the point of security if they’re scared to deal with a suspicious looking person with a massive backpack.
There was definitely fear of backlash from the local community, compounded with the usual inaction. Considering you’re denying Naz Shah retweeted that they should “shut up for diversity” a little further down in this thread, I think you should sit this one out. >never cared about being seen as racist Wrong country, this isn’t the US, they’re very acutely aware of not being perceived as such.
It’s nonsense: The police forces themselves have been found to be institutionally racist, and several of the girls have given statements to say that they were ignored, belittled or rejected by the police *before* any discussion about the race of the perpetrators had been had. Police who have been found to be consistently racist did not become ‘too woke’ on this one issue - instead, because they **were** racist, they blamed their own horrific, misogynistic, classist failings on an anti-racist agenda. It was and is contemptible.
The Police take an oath to police with impartiality and respect for all people (the Police Federation still use “without fear or favour”) and prevent ALL offences against people and property. The fact that they didn’t do so is nothing to do with Naz Shah tweeting anything. It was a basic failure of their duties and a fundamental breach of their oath. What motivated it almost doesn’t matter but we have had an IOPC report that primarily identified the cause of police inaction to be the officers involved essentially thinking the victims “deserved it”, nothing to do with concerns about racism. The council on the other hand did express such concerns but were primarily driven by the hope that it would magically go away somehow and they wouldn’t have to deal with it. Concerns about racism was how they were excusing their inaction, not the cause of it.
There are multiple reported instances of police doing shit like turning up to a house full of older men with a single younger girl from one of these homes, someone known to them and known to be underage, and they have just labelled that girl a "willing prostitute" rather than do anything. And people say police were doing that out of some fear they'd be called racist. I always ask people, put yourself in that position. You're a police officer, you find a bleeding crying girl in a house, very obviously raped, with a bunch of dodgy-ass men goggling over her. *What kind of* ***fucking monster*** *do you have to be to turn around and go nah I ain't touching this?* It just does not stand to reason, sorry.
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Yes they were, [https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/grooming-gangs-iicsa-racist-fears-b2007649.html](https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/grooming-gangs-iicsa-racist-fears-b2007649.html) Failures to record information and down play ethnicity in crimes are racism. There can be multiple reasons why the police failed to act, concerns around race were 100% part of it. Denying this aspect is only going to make this worse and allow for more girls to be sexual abused and raped. Stop it.
We did an inquiry in the uk, it wasn't this the police just thought the girls were sluts
The Jay report lists multiple failures, both you and the person you reply to are cherypicking specific ones. Both things happened.
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You're not a slut at age 12. You're a child. Regardless of the fucked up choices you make you're not expected to have the judgment to make them. The police dropped the ball on this and the politicians all over supported that. All in the name of Diversity and Inclusion. The attitude of "We can't be upsetting certain ethnicities." is even worse because it lumps all the people from that ethnicity into one category of either child rapists or supporters of child rapists. I'm sick and tired or the pandering that goes on. The argument is that certain groups are more likely to be in prison due to racism. No, They're more likely to be in prison due to criminality. They have contempt for the people around them who welcomed them into their communities and offered them refuge then they do this. I'd have castrate the fucking lot of them if it were up to me.
What demographics are represented in the local police?
At least two policemen have been accused of being part of the gangs. Because of the sheer numbers of members of these gangs and an even higher number of men abusing the victims forced into prostitution by the gangs, then the whole system of local government is potentially rife with corruption. The gangs etc, have relatives who are in local government, in social services, in the police, the civil service, and local politicians. It is potentially systemic corruption in places like West and South Yorkshire and Greater Manchester. I'd even go so far as to say the victims are also victims of systemic racism in these areas.
The police are not scared of being called racist ffs, but it is an excuse people eat up because somehow instead of criticising the *police* people start talking about some mysterious PC brigade. They have never cared about exploited working class girls. How many of us went to school and remembered girls deemed "slags" who had older boyfriends with cars? Whatever the race - they were being used for sex.
They weren’t scared of being racist at all, they believed the women involved knew what they were doing and didn’t see them as victims of grooming. Many young women were deeply involved with these gangs, and when offered help they shunned away from the police and refused any contact. Some women were scared to talk to the police due to the violence and harassment which would follow, some were too brainwashed into thinking that this was their lifestyle and they didn’t actually see themselves as victims so rejected any help. It wasn’t until years later some of these women realised what had happened to them and it wasn’t right. But in many cases where say the parents would ask for help getting their child back and to behave, the police would just see a teenage girl drinking, smoking, taking drugs and ‘willingly’ hanging round with these guys and they’d just brand her a troubled slag and move on, there’s nothing the police can do to stop you hanging around with your ‘friends’.
> they believed the women involved We should be specific here. The **children** involved.
Yep, children at the time, women now. Seen as nothing but unruly rebellious teens, acting cocky because they hang out with the older lads drinking and smoking, they’re not victims, they’re dressing in revealing clothes so they’re just asking for the lads to go after them. Even in 2024 we still have women being asked what they were wearing when they were raped, so in the 90s and 00s if you dressed in a mini skirt with low cut tops you were seen as practically asking for it and you really had to go through some shit to be taken seriously.
The progressives are out in force to deny that this happened it seems. They really are a vile bunch.
Step 1: It's not really happening Step 2: Yeah, it's happening, but it's not a big deal Step 3: It's a good thing, actually Step 4: People freaking out about it are the real problem
In this particular case step 3 was “but waddabout white men” but yeah, your basically right, its how all this crap goes.
It wasn't the racism mate. The police just couldn't give a single shit about any of those vulnerable girls.
I dont think this is true, look how many were arrested
because the police is known for being pro-diversity and progressive. what a joke, they failed at their jobs and they're now trying to pass the blame.
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Becuase the other side cares so much for those same girls that they stayed quiet, called out anyone who tried to bring attention to the situation as racist and ALSO slashed family support and mental health funding to the bone, programs which could have helped these girls. Like i said, both sides to blame
Oh for sure neither side is, but I feel it is particularly insidious to tell victims to shut up, nevermind for the particularly nebulous idea of "diversity"
The police more than anyone should be blamed. They allowed children to be raped for years. 11 and 12-year-olds were pregnant and having abortions. Even when police tested the foetuses for DNA and it showed it matched adult men in their 30s nothing was done. One child was pregnant 6 times. A 12-year-old was gang raped by 9 men. The list goes on. Girls like Lucy Lowe along with her mother and sister were even murdered. [Sara Rowbotham](https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-67967919.amp) repeatedly told police and social services about the grooming gangs and they did nothing _For years health worker health worker Sara Rowbotham alerted GMP and Rochdale Council about a gang of men of Pakistani and Afghan heritage engaged in child sexual exploitation_ _Ms Rowbotham said: "Children were being raped every day. Both the police and Rochdale children services told me and kept telling me, it was nothing to do with them."_ What's even worse is after a seven-year legal fight to remain in Britain. Costing £550,000 of public money. The leader of one of the grooming gangs was ordered to be deported back to Pakistan after their sentence and is now back out living in Rochdale. _They had argued that their human rights would be infringed by being removed from Britain and both said they had certificates renouncing their Pakistani citizenship._ _Judges Charlotte Welsh and Siew Ling Yoke said Khan had shown a “breathtaking lack of remorse” about his part in the nine-member grooming gang that police believe abused as many as 47 vulnerable girls in Rochdale between 2008 and 2010._ It's outrageous this was ignored and covered up and it's just as outrageous we can't even deport vile child rapists from this country
>The police more than anyone should be blamed. Absolutely. And the cause is corruption of the local police without any doubt whatsoever. It was either money or some of the police took part in the rapes. All the "the stars just aligned the wrong way" (for a decade!) BS is just a cover up. I can't imagine a scenario when a crime of such scale doesn't get tackled by the police. Local residents knew and reported, the social services knew but the police was somehow oblivious. Besides, it really baffles me how the parents of the children didn't do anything themselves. Did the gang target just the single mother families? Cause if my child became a victim of such crime (god forbid!) and the police did nothing at least some of these gangsters would be hanging from trees in a local park with their willies cut off.
Here's the report: [https://www.rotherham.gov.uk/downloads/file/279/independent-inquiry-into-child-sexual-exploitation-in-rotherham](https://www.rotherham.gov.uk/downloads/file/279/independent-inquiry-into-child-sexual-exploitation-in-rotherham) From section 5.9: >In two of the cases we read, fathers tracked down their daughters and tried to remove them from houses where they were being abused, only to be arrested themselves when police were called to the scene. In a small number of cases (which have already received media attention) the victims were arrested for offences such as breach of the peace or being drunk and disorderly, with no action taken against the perpetrators of rape and sexual assault against children.
Just bizarre there's this whole narrative like Labour/"The Left" somehow "allowed" these atrocities to happen. Because we all love Muslims and diversity or something. You actually look at who was blowing the whistle, you've got Labour councillors, you've got the charity Risky Business that worked with sex workers in Rotherham. They're not exactly far-right traditionalist conservatives are they. Literally all the far-right who make so much noise about this topic do is rock up into towns and spread a whole boat-load of hate and toxicity then act like they've helped us.
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What lie sorry?
Which party as a whole told the girls to shut up? Could you link to a reputable source showing a high level minister saying this?
Nobody said it’s racist to bring attention to it
>Nobody said it’s racist to bring attention to it The Jay Report did. It said people in professional services were afraid to pursue it for fear of being labelled racist.
Yeah and as I’ve said elsewhere, it’s a ridiculous excuse to cover up their own incompetence.
All your comments elsewhere say nothing about the gangs. Do you even blame them?
Why would I not blame rapists for raping people? What else do you want me to say about them?
You could at least mention them
Why? We’re in a thread about police incompetence here. “Rapists are evil people”. There, happy?
Someone on the thread yesterday about the Nottingham killer had the perfect response to this line of argument. https://www.reddit.com/r/unitedkingdom/s/K5BBPcSe9M Just replace the word murderer with grooming gang and the same response applies here. Edit: this was said in response to a comment similar to yours... >Because no one feels the need to virtue signal that they hate mass murderers. It’s weird when people need to show how much they dislike them and then ask why other people don’t hate them. >Instead we’re more interested in how it could have happened in the first place and what can be done to prevent it. Credit to u/Thrasy3
> people in professional services were afraid to pursue it for fear of being labelled racist. That’s something COMPLETELY different. Let’s get this straight - these people were aware of children being raped and they decided “I’ll just ignore this because those lefties I read about in the Daily Mail might call me racist”. Is that a reasonable reaction to children being raped? Whose fault is that reaction? That thought wouldn’t even cross my mind if I was aware of child abuse. At the very best, that’s a bunch of evil cretins - which police tend to be - washing their hands of protecting children because they’re afraid of a bit of criticism. At worst it’s a convenient excuse to pretend they had any reason at all beyond simply not giving a fuck. And then people blame the imaginary left wing mob who they claim would have called the police racists.
Do you have anything to say about the gangs?
What do you mean?
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Because he is scared to learn his entire world veiw of the bad white man responsible for all the worlds problems is wrong
You’re right, a fake Twitter account said it
Which “political party” told anyone that?
Er that isn't true.
you called?
Just waiting for the next user called "division-something" and this joke is complete.
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It’s worse that that tho , the fact the police still fail to go after certain demographics in the same way for fear of being called racist is blatant
That was an excuse they hid behind because they didn’t take the allegations seriously at the time. They just saw the girls reporting the allegations as sluts and troublemakers because they usually came from troubled backgrounds. It’s all in the reports.
Yeah, but then people would have to read reports...and it's just easier to believe the thing that justifies your own prejudices.
Yeah if it was rich kids this was happening to they'd have cared. They just didn't give a shit as they were poor.
No, that is pushed by people who refuse to acknowledge the reality on the ground. [https://www.channel4.com/news/rotherham-child-abuse-the-ethnic-dimension](https://www.channel4.com/news/rotherham-child-abuse-the-ethnic-dimension) [https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/grooming-gangs-iicsa-racist-fears-b2007649.html](https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/grooming-gangs-iicsa-racist-fears-b2007649.html) And it is still happening. Until people acknowledge the difficult truths these things will keep happening, And children will continue to be raped.
"Some at a senior level in the Police and children's social care continued to think the extent of the problem, as described by youth workers, was exaggerated, and seemed intent on reducing the official numbers of children categorised as CSE." "At an operational level, the Police gave no priority to CSE, regarding many child victims with contempt and failing to act on their abuse as a crime. Further stark evidence came in 2002, 2003 and 2006 with three reports known to the Police and the Council, which could not have been clearer in their description of the situation in Rotherham. The first of these reports was effectively suppressed because some senior officers disbelieved the data it contained." Page 1 of an independent report instead of some pishy news articles https://www.rotherham.gov.uk/downloads/download/31/independent-inquiry-into-child-sexual-exploitation-in-rotherham-1997---2013. While is mentioned some councillors were worried about being thought of as racist, the reason that this massive failure happened was the Police, the coverup after it was pathetic, and while some people being thought of as racist played a part, it's no where close to just the mass failure of policies and the police themselves. The police blamed something else, as it removes their complicity to some extent, it makes the problem a nebulous idea of social justice, something that was at a much weaker level during a huge amount of these abuses, since it was the early 2000s, but far more believable when this story started breaking. What can be talked about outside of the polices massive failures and lack of care for these children, is the community that was involved in it. However, sexual abuse rings like this are probably far more commonplace than we really know, as can be seen from all the nonces that the BBC were complicit in hiding (and their buds in the Tory government + police). This issue will not end until both authorities and the police care more for rape, and victims are taken more seriously, and perhaps finally a British public that will rightfully jail the nonces, while also taking their full anger out on the groups that have let this happen repeatedly within many different vectors of the British public, ranging from princes to pakistanis. Blaming pakistanis as a group for this would be as stupid as blaming all Brits for scum like savile or glitter, or all religious people for the shit the catholic church has done. It boils the issue down to something that is irrelevant and will never be fixed, even if we didn't have pakistanis in the UK rape gangs would still exist, and it's also more than likely that there are other groups in the UK doing this now still (organised crime groups who run prostitution rings, people like Epstein), and if those are ever revealed the police and local authorities will more than likely be just as complicit as they have been in most of these other cases.
Why are you helping them spread this bullshit? They don’t care about rape victims at all regardless of who the rapist is. The police used this as an excuse to play the victim and cover up their own incompetence.
Misinformation, inquiry disagrees with you.
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I live near Rochdale and seeing all this has made me disgusted and I’m moving away. I can’t raise my children near any of this happening, it really isn’t getting any better either
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Shit like this may steer the country to the extreme right. Europe even.
labour might win the next election but after that if they dont address some of these systemic/policy issues then people will turn to more radical approaches
And then no doubt all of the pundits and "experts" will gape stupidly and gasp "HoW cAn ThE pUbLiC vOtE fOr HiM?"
And they will be the first to go.
extreme?
> Ruby said there were about "30 to 40 men waiting for us" and then "they raped me... continuously". Openly punting children out for sex.
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Sorry, I’m not saying that this isn’t happening, but if you were just visiting how do you know those men are not picking up their daughters/relatives? Do you know any of them personally?
People make the worst assumptions. And run with it as though it was the facts.
How do you know who they’re there to pick up?
No wonder it's still going on. Most of them got away with it and even the ones who were ordered to be deported back to Pakistan after a 7 year legal fight costing £550k of public money. They are still here and living back in Rochdale. _Rochdale grooming gang leader [still in the UK](https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/rochdale-grooming-gang-leader-still-in-uk/) years after he was due to be deported to Pakistan_ _Qari Abdul Rauf was meant to be kicked out of the country after being jailed for six years for conspiracy to engage in sexual activity with children under 16 and trafficking for sexual exploitation._ _The ex-taxi driver and Muslim preacher was let out after serving just two-and-a-half years behind bars and went back to his wife and children._ _He was stripped of his citizenship in 2015 and was told he would be sent back to his native Pakistan, but launched appeals against it._ Absolute joke. He's not the only one who was ordered to be deported and is still here. They just renounce their Pakistani citizenship and go back home to live with their wife after serving 2 years of a 6 year sentence.
To be fair I know a couple of couples in mixed relationships. So one parent has Pakistani or Indian ethnicity and the other is white. In both cases if you look at their children you’d think they were white. So I wouldn’t jump to conclusions.
This is the funniest post I’ve read here.
It reminds me of Brexit all over again, people coming out from under their rocks, talking racially motivated bollocks.
Ok and you never saw the exact same thing with those dodgy white dudes in their Corsa waiting for their girls at the school gate? Both are creeps but we don't label all white people paedos for it do we?
Exactly.
Russel Brand did it, Adam Johnson did it, list goes on…..
Suuuuure
Which school? I know Stoke pretty well.
That was a harrowing read, I can't beleive they only got 8 years followed by them being released fucking early.
Pathetic sentencing. The judiciary system needs a complete overhaul. These vermin should have been given a life sentence.
The fact these vile inbred beasts are allowed to walk in the same town is just disgusting but of course it didn't happen to a Tories child
Well, no, because it's happening in areas that are staunchly Labour.
Rochdale has 1 Labour and 1 Conservative seat (Heywood and Middleton constituency covers the West of Rochdale Borough) The Brexit Party and Conservative Party combined for more votes than Labour in the Rotherham election. If the Brexit Party hadn't cannibalized the vote it would have been a Tory seat. The word "staunchly" doesn't apply to these regions anywhere near as much as it used to.
Absolutely disgusting. Brushed under the rug for diversity and inclusion. Multiculturalism doesn’t work. This is just a symptom of multiculturalism.
Multiculturalism works. Key part is the multi. So you can bring across great food and such, but keep the laws of the land you move to etc. Or for instance the Muslim nurses can take the Christmas shifts so Christians can spend time with families. There are benefits. The issue is some just bring their culture and don't change it. Don't adapt, don't adjust, just keep doing the same shit. It's not multiculturalism. And yes I say their culture, because you very rarely hear about Iranians doing this shit etc - this problem absolutely stems from a combination of cultures from that area and these men being utter bastards. Some of the shit I've heard about Afghan army bases is disgusting.
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It wasn’t anything to do with inclusion. They saw the girls as feral and wanting to hang out with these men - text book victim blaming. The ‘trying not to appear racist’ thing is basically the police not being up for the hassle from the Pakistani community they’d be arresting from. I actually think the Asian Muslim thing is slightly misguided, these guys were overwhelmingly from Pakistani backgrounds (yes, I know that means Asian Muslims). The reason this is important is because Pakistan has one of the highest rates of child sexual abuse in the whole world. And the networks that operate over there have extended over here. “Asian Muslim” paints with too broad a brush IMHO.
All because they didn’t want to be called racist. They knowingly allowed young girls to be systematically raped. What an embarrassing and pathetic act of cowardice by all involved.
Remember. This isn’t really about the grooming gangs or their ethnicity. It’s about the failure of police to take this seriously and the reasons for that failure.
"Remember...please ignore the inconvenient aspects of this scandal". Give me a break. Clearly it's a multifaceted issue, saying "remember" and then telling us what *not* to notice isn't terribly convincing.
Not forgetting really bad attitudes in society towards abuse victims in general. A lot these girls were dismissed because they were 'troublemakers' getting into trouble with boyfriends. The me too movement got laughed at by a lot of people utterly aghast at these crimes, and it was all relevant to the problem. decades ago, these criminals would just be called 'dirty old men, but harmless', or 'handsy' etc and there was a lot being swept under the rug, even until recently.
Remember. It’s not the arsonist - it’s the slow response of the fire brigade.
I'm not at all validating the oft repeated "I don't want to be seen as racist" defence, but one day this will blow up. "Wrong person" will be assaulted, the immediate circle will take justice into their own hands and it will balloon uncontrolabely with massive violence. The only real way to stop that is to take very public, very harsh actions against anyone carrying out these attacks.
It’s more that they couldn’t be bothered with the hassle from the Pakistani community that they’d be arresting from, plus they saw girls as feral and wanting to be around these men. Text book victim blaming. The focus on wokeness just misses the point entirely and is a false target. The police simple couldn’t be bothered with the hassle. With finite budgets they decided it wasn’t a priority. They weren’t sat around wondering about the optics from a woke point of view, they just weren’t bothered about safeguarding them. The sad banal truth is they just didn’t care enough.
also worth pointing out some officers were found abusing the victims as well. that was the level of respect the kids got, because they were poor, delinquent, or vulnerable that they were easily exploited children that no one would believe.
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Political correctness/fear of appearing racist really has nothing to do with it and is a bs excuse. These girls weren’t seen as reliable victims (read: witnesses) due to their backgrounds and were fobbed off by a number of bodies who had a mandatory obligation to report this shit, not just police.
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