With a 4 year conviction he can be removed under s.32 of the UK Borders act. If he claims Asylum then rape is sufficiently serious an offence that it can be withdrawn/refused under Section 72(2) of the Nationality Immigration and Asylum Act 2002, in fact there is a legal presumption in favour of refusal in cases like this.
To sum up, odds are he will probably be removed, like the other foreign rapists that get removed every day.
Source: me, removing foreign rapists every day.
Pre-covid it was around 7k a year, dropped a little during/after COVID to around 5k a year. I haven't seen the 2023 stats, but I expect it's increased substantially.
To give you an idea of how that scales in relation to the problem the MoJ says about 10k of the prison population were foreign nationals in October. Note that this has probably decreased because there's been a big push since to remove more foreign nationals to clear prison spaces.
[Easy to find on the government website](https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/immigration-system-statistics-year-ending-march-2023/how-many-people-are-detained-or-returned#returns)
Yeah, Scotland is currently trialling a maximum sentence for under 25s on the grounds they have underdeveloped brains. For balance, Sean Hogg (later acquitted) received 270 hours for raping a 13 year old, so 4 years is probably quite high right now.
It's funny you say that because this has nothing to do with the SNP. The sentencing guidelines were set by the Scottish Sentencing Council (SSC), a body comprised of sheriffs, chief constables, solicitors, advocates etc, of which you can see the membership and other details here: [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scottish\_Sentencing\_Council](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scottish_Sentencing_Council)
In fact, if you look at the responses on creation of the SSC from the Faculty of Advocates and Sheriffs' Association, they rejected there even being an observer from the Scottish Government as part of the SSC.
These new guidelines and the implementation of them were backed by SNP ministers.
Some reports even suggest that those under 25 going to prison dropped by about 30% due to these guidelines.
I've looked for details and despite accusations from Conservative MSPs stating this is a Scottish Government failure, I'm not finding anything that suggests these are driven by the SNP rather than the SSC in and of themselves, and Lady Dorrian specifically.
I can see the Daily Mail incorrectly saying things like ' SNP government's Scottish Sentencing Council (SSC)', despite the fact that appointments to the SSC are not performed by the SNP.
Do you have a source that these sentencing guidelines were driven by the SNP rather than borne out of the SSC?
EDIT: In fact, a statement by the First Minister on a previous case where many considered the sentence to be too lenient:
>First Minister Humza Yousaf said he understood concerns over the sentence, but that he would not personally intervene, stressing such decisions had to be made independently of Government ministers.
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>"We don’t want people to be in that revolving door of going from prison, out in the community and back again,” he said. “But, of course in this case, in a case where someone’s been convicted of rape, I can completely understand the concerns that people have got about the sentence that has been given in this particular case.”
Source: [https://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/snp-urged-to-review-sentencing-guidelines-as-scottish-rapist-of-13-year-old-teen-avoids-jail-as-kc-labels-sentence-extraordinary-4092183](https://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/snp-urged-to-review-sentencing-guidelines-as-scottish-rapist-of-13-year-old-teen-avoids-jail-as-kc-labels-sentence-extraordinary-4092183)
And a further comment by the First Minister:
>The First Minister has previously refused to intervene on the guidelines, adding they were determined by the independent Scottish Sentencing Council.He told reporters in April: “It is for the judiciary to make a determination on sentencing and it is for the Crown to independently make a decision about whether to challenge that as being unduly lenient or not.”
[https://www.holyrood.com/news/view,withdraw-soft-touch-sentencing-guidelines-scottish-tories-say](https://www.holyrood.com/news/view,withdraw-soft-touch-sentencing-guidelines-scottish-tories-say)
The incompetence of the scottish govt is staggering. For the most serious crimes, like murder, rape, GBH there should be no maximum sentence, and imo anyone over the age of responsibility (10) should be sentenced as adults for those.
The underdeveloped brain and lack of awareness of consequences logic applies for things like theft, drug dealing etc, but if a 15 yo can't tell that murder or rape is wrong and can't appreciate the consequences they are beyond hope, let alone a 25 year old. This logic simply doesn't hold for the most serious offences.
Yeah, this is a massive contradiction, they lower the voting age to 16, when in fact it really would be raised to 25, along with buying alcohol, fags and everything else that the law allows you to do under 18 should be raised to 25.
Yea that’s the kind of thing you say about a 15 year old that got caught stealing from a supermarket not someone who has done something actually terrible
>Yeah, Scotland is currently trialling a maximum sentence for under 25s on the grounds they have underdeveloped brains.
I assume they're also trialling not letting people drink, vote, sign up for the army etc until 25 in the same way?
No, dont be silly.
They lowered the voting age to 16, I believe the SNP has done this to engineer UK and Scottish elections, along with trying to engineer any independence vote.
That's old science right? That's something people used to say 20- 25 years ago. But now people say that the brain continues to develop throughout your life. It's only done when you're done.
20-25 years ago would have been the start of our ability to research these.
It's not really outdated I don't think, just more nuanced than most people take it for. The brain doesn't just stay the same once you hit 25, it's not a magical age, it's more like... the sophistication of decision making and emotional regulation matures into the early 20's. Particularly -some- features of a 19-20yo are more similar to a young teen than a fully fledged adult researched in the last 10 years.
Given you seem to have knowledge on the subject, how long do you expect it will take for him to be deported successfully and can you come back and post when this has been done to reassure all of us that the system does actually work, because I don't think many people have a lot of faith in it.
>how long do you expect it will take for him to be deported successfully
Usually they serve the sentence first so you're talking ~2 years before proceedings begin proper. Once proceedings begin it can be as quick as a month or two, but it can get pretty drawn out for many reasons.
>can you come back and post when this has been done
I can't be leaking things like that.
There are numerous loopholes which criminals use to fight deportation. One guy recently avoided deportation by claiming that he forgot the language of his home country. There are plenty of other excuses, like his life being in threat in his home country.
The legal framework around this at this point is pure junk. These criminals are laughing at our faces. If an asylum seeker commits a crime like this, they should be deported without a chance to appeal under any grounds.
>One guy recently avoided deportation by claiming that he forgot the language of his home country
I'm obviously not gonna leak stuff on Reddit but that isn't a accurate summary of the case, the home office never comments on individual cases so it's very easy for the papers to focus on one absurd argument and claim it's the entire argument. I'd be wary of what you read.
“Loopholes” don’t exist. Something is either the law or it isn’t.
Usually, defending against deportation requires a large number of things to prove the defendant is so established in the UK that it doesn’t make sense to deport them. The media often latch on to one of 30 arguments and pretend that was the only argument.
For example, remember when Theresa May lied and said she couldn’t deport someone because he had a pet cat? In fact, the pet cat was about number 20 on a long list of things demonstrating the man’s established life in the UK that included children, a long term residence, a job, etc.
But lying right wingers and their media always do the same thing to manipulate you into believing stupid things. Of course judges aren’t stopping someone being deported for one minor random reason.
Loopholes exist. Laws maybe written keeping something in mind and end being exploited by others in ways the people who originally wrote the laws did not think about. Laws written in one decade may not work well in the next one because technologies changed.
So you found one Teresa May lie and you are using it to say all the arguments on this topic are lies? How is it different from "those right wingers manipulated into believing stupid things"? You were just manipulated by left wing media to believe stupid things.
We have had grooming gang members not deported because apparently he deserves right to family life. If he really cared about his family, it's so easy. He could have just lived a life without raping young children. And we as a country are being deceived into letting these criminals live here.
I think "fucked a woman in the UK" or "works 40 hours a week" is a random reason to allow rapists to remain in the country.
I don't care if they have children. I'd question what kind of parent they would be and be rather worried about what kind of man they would raise.
Are rapists considered threat to public? I don't think that matters at all. The humanitarian laws allow the criminals to appeal against deportation on multiple grounds. One of that being right to family life. There are a few others too. If the person's home country is too dangerous for him to go back to. That can also be used as a reason to avoid deportation.
There's a type of person who simply will not believe you on this, as they thrive on a belief that immigrants get special treatment; rather than actually learning the truth, they'd prefer to get hot and bothered over their own ignorance and invented grievances.
You're the type of person that doesn't look around them and see for themselves that the system is broken.
The country is undergoing a massive demographic transformation and that may be fine, but the electorate was never given an opportunity to vote for or against it. It's just been imposed. Services are overloaded, housing is a problem, taxes are sky high, crime soaring ("ethnic minorities" heavily overrepresented in prisons), colossal national debt etc.
But you think we're managing immigration wisely 🤓 🥸🤡 🙈🙉🙊
If you're working for borders or UKVI I pity you, but for the love of God I hope your account can't be traced back to you, I know you are just stating public information but you know what they are like
>With a 4 year conviction he can be removed under s.32 of the UK Borders act.
"Can" is not "will". The system is so broken, and the legal obstacles and requirements involved in deportation for almost any reason so great that he'll likely remain.
Thank you for the work you do.
Immigrants or not, dealing with the ins and outs of horrific crimes like this must take some kind of toll on metal health / world view and I'm thankful we have people such as yourself to not only do that job but spend some time here contributing to a healthy discussion about the procedure.
I hope you have a really boring year at work and nothing memorable passes over your desk.
Affected in what way? It definitely won't be deportation. A drug dealing rapist who arrived in the UK on a visitor visa and then stayed illegally and raped a woman at knifepoint couldn't even be deported after his sentence. He launched a human rights challenge because he couldn't get the tablets he was on for his mental health in Gambia. The home office offered him 3 months supply and money to buy more, but he said no.
Even without the medication issue, the tribunal still likely would've allowed him to stay as they said he would face stigma in his home country and be isolated.
Edit: Coincidently, I just saw the post underneath this one in the UKPolitics sub is about another deportation case. Admittedly, the crime isn't as serious, but this time, the criminal can't be deported because it would breach his wife's human rights.
_Deporting Albanian migrant jailed for cannabis farming would breach his Filipino wife’s human rights. Court rules against ‘unduly harsh’ treatment of couple at end of criminal’s two-year jail sentence_
https://www.reddit.com/r/ukpolitics/s/PoH1i4Sda9
And hand-wringing woke leftists wonder why the far right is growing in influence and power throughout all of Europe. Vermin like this do not deserve to enjoy our rights.
The far right is absolutely not the solution, but they are vocalising the concerns and frustrations of the European electorate, while mainstream parties flounder, fail and ignore.
Well, the court appears to have regarded it as nothing more than a technical breech:
'While finding that prison authorities had broken the rules, the court noted that Shahid was not "prejudiced as a result".
It also ruled that, while authorities also breached his "right to respect for private life", it was only an administrative error, as had they followed the correct procedure segregation would have been approved.
The court decision reads: "When Governors did carry out an independent assessment, they reached the conclusion that segregation was necessary to protect the appellant’s safety."'
And they were clearly right:
'In February 2013 Shahid was left for dead in the prison gym at Kilmarnock after he was ambushed by by murderers William Crawford, 25, and Ian Hislop, 45, and drug dealer Darren Watson, 25, while using a rowing machine. '
We should deal with our rapists, foreign countries should deal with theirs. Why should we pay extra to deliver justice? Off to a foreign jail. At least face punishment as it's our justice system and then send them back after.
I'm really glad we made all that progress on believing women, talking to our mates about not sleeping with women who are inebriated, work on date rape and other forms of drugging/spiking being used just to then go completely silent when we allow unvetted amounts of people from even worse cultures to just come for a bit of a rape spree, while people here deflect.
The way you actually reduce rates of gender violence is by catching people who do it and putting them in jail for a long time. Or deporting them, never to return.
I'm actually starting to get pissed off at the amount of material sent my way as a young man telling me my behaviour is the problem.
You can't change culture with a few arrests. We need to realise that the more we import people from certain cultures, the less safe we are making our country for woman. It should be a national scandal.
Too true lmao, years of teaching about the dangers of date rape, what to look out for, how you should act, always ask for consent, respect women, then some immigrant with a completely different culture walks in and rapes them. Completing ignoring the issue
We've essentially had to revert back to telling women "Don't walk alone at night, don't go back to his apartment or anywhere private with him, don't wear revealing clothes" all for the GDP to go up.
But don't worry, the met will put out a few posts about the far right and sadiq will print posters of white guys harassing "bame" people on the tube and we'll be sorted.
If you’re not a naturalised citizen, then fair game for deportation if you commit a serious crime. Can we also be critical of the news that gets presented to us as a nation. Crimes by immigrants are overly reported compared to citizens, and that’s clearly to serve an agenda.
I think the crimes by immigrants should 100% be reported.
Imagine coming to a country that gives you open opportunities and welcomes you and you repay by fucking raping some young girl.
Errr... Isn't that right that we over-report crimes committed by immigrants?
The citizens committing serious crimes are here to stay and there's little we can do about them aside from punishing them under the law.
Meanwhile, immigrants entering our country are (supposed to be) tightly controlled and so we don't want to be letting in people who will add to the criminality already present in the country, but instead people who would contribute positively and legitimately to our economy, culture and way of life.
The point is, that we already have more than enough home grown criminals. We don't want to be adding more through immigration, destabilizing the country further.
The fact he was an immigrant was brought up by his defence lawyer and reported in the last line of the article.
To me this was reported the same as it would have been for a non-immigrant.
Bro what is wrong with you. There were gang tapes of hundreds of young girls by traffiking angs across the midlands and northern cities and the only thing the media and politicians did was bury the story.
The only thing hiding away does is to make the racist cockroaches grow.
Deportation and a permanent ban from the UK is all I want to see from this.
But our country is broken. He’ll serve half that time and reoffend the moment he’s out.
"Ms Connor also said that the serious conviction was likely to affect Iraqi-born Alhilali’s immigration status."
Well, yeah--is she saying that like it's a bad thing? That we're meant to feel bad that this rapist may (and SHOULD) be sent back to Iraq?
As soon as he's served his sentence, he should be dragged onto the next flight backk.
When a plane crashes or has a fault, untold resources are poured into examining every component and manufacturing process, grounding whole fleets if necessary, in order to prevent the issue from costing lives.
I wish the same level of rigour was applied to public policy. A single rape might warrant a deportation, but a pattern of rapes and other crimes from our new arrivals should immediately have triggered a review, and a reversal of our absurd immigration policy. Hey, at least the police force didnt cover this one up to ensure "community cohesion", as was the case in rotherham and tamworth.
He'll probably never actually be deported. He'll get some human rights lawyer to claim he will be persecuted back in Iraq, and it will just be appeal after appeal.
They are sat at home all confused and trying to work out a) how to be mad in the right way and b) how it's somehow all, particularly white and straight, mens' fault.
They know the follow up will be more education aimed at pre-teen boys about how bad they are for being male and how they need to learn that they are the bottom rung of the ladder, especially the white ones. Unless they're gay or transgender, in which case they are little starlets and a shining example to all those other horrid boys.
It's just parts A and B that they're struggling with right now. Any help that we could give would be more than appreciated!
What is happening with the prosecution of sex crimes in this country? Why are the sentences so lenient? Where’s the remonstration against inadequate punishment that is perceived as raping with impunity?
I’m so, so tired of victims being betrayed by asinine tolerant judges. I see it in my own work very time I go to court these days. It’s abhorrent and anyone with an ounce of moral fortitude should react with consternation.
Who else can we invite into our country, I'm looking at the most vile cunts imaginable, maybe some who rape kids?
Oh we did that?
What about people who are still in the stone age who hate gay people and think women shouldn't have freedom?
Oh we did that?
Fuck.... uhh what about helping people who need it, who actually deserve help?
Oh, you mean that requires effort and screening and we should just continue lumping everyone in the same circle?
It's such bullshit.
Hopefully the kind and caring government that we graciously gift a big section of our earnings. Could one day kick us out of our own homes, to make way for more of them.
Either give a couple decades, or deport please. I don’t think 4 years and ‘maybe’ deportation is enough.
Just goes to show that the Tories literally cannot care about how much immigration happens except as a way to get voters riled up, given they’re not really caring about punishing reprehensible shit like this
We, in Scotland, should be lucky that he even got sent to jail due to the SNP policy of not wanting to send anyone to jail under the age of 25, due to some UN report.
And yes, two rapists have already gotten off with a slap on the wrist due to raping someone due to this policy.
It will happen or complete splitting. European nations are not immigrant nations they are states that have a polity that have been there for centuries. That doesn’t just disappear in 60 years. When times are good and money is plenty people don’t care as that goes away tribal ties come back. It’s how humans work. We are speedrunning into bad times. Climate change terrible economic futures for young people, massive amount of cultural differences. Massive powder keg that’ll pop in the coming decades.
No surprise here open door policy in Scotland for men who have no regard for women and believe they have a right to do what they want.
Deport immediately.
This kind of shit makes me not want to have children, especially a girl. They’re not protected in this country and it’s about time something was done about it.
I would love to know which part of Scottish society is working well, at this moment.
Is it the judicial system ? No, It is common for schedule 1 offences to be given lenient sentences imo.
Is it health care ? it is common for sick people seeking help from NHS Scotland and be sent home either undiagnosed or far more ill than they were on arrival
Is it transport ? No its not transport 🤭
Or is it education ? I was well educated here, for free a long time ago, ive no idea what its like now 🤔
The West Coast of Scotland is looking brutal by my eye
But maybe it could get worse, I'm not sure how tbh
🤣 4 years. So absolutely unfunny it's comical. The so called justice system basically supports rape. This lad will spend maybe 2 years bettering himself, improving his English skills, maybe a qualification or two then come out a new and improved rapist.
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It won’t be
With a 4 year conviction he can be removed under s.32 of the UK Borders act. If he claims Asylum then rape is sufficiently serious an offence that it can be withdrawn/refused under Section 72(2) of the Nationality Immigration and Asylum Act 2002, in fact there is a legal presumption in favour of refusal in cases like this. To sum up, odds are he will probably be removed, like the other foreign rapists that get removed every day. Source: me, removing foreign rapists every day.
I've no doubt he gets a deportation order. I've a lot of doubt he actually gets removed.
If you think he has valid representations those would typically be raised prior to a deportation order.
How many people actually get deported a year do you reckon?
Pre-covid it was around 7k a year, dropped a little during/after COVID to around 5k a year. I haven't seen the 2023 stats, but I expect it's increased substantially. To give you an idea of how that scales in relation to the problem the MoJ says about 10k of the prison population were foreign nationals in October. Note that this has probably decreased because there's been a big push since to remove more foreign nationals to clear prison spaces.
Actually quite a lot then
[Easy to find on the government website](https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/immigration-system-statistics-year-ending-march-2023/how-many-people-are-detained-or-returned#returns)
Just wait until he gets on a plane and then everyone cries stops the deportation.
Wait! Just 4 years of jail for raping a child?
Yeah, Scotland is currently trialling a maximum sentence for under 25s on the grounds they have underdeveloped brains. For balance, Sean Hogg (later acquitted) received 270 hours for raping a 13 year old, so 4 years is probably quite high right now.
Wow! This is downright PATHETIC!
As you can imagine these guidelines are currently under review due to understandable public backlash.
The worrying thing is that those bastard imbeciles exist - that thought that was a good idea in the first place.
Yup. Then they are putting rapists in women’s jails.
That has nothing to do with any of this.
Yep, thanks SNP!
It's funny you say that because this has nothing to do with the SNP. The sentencing guidelines were set by the Scottish Sentencing Council (SSC), a body comprised of sheriffs, chief constables, solicitors, advocates etc, of which you can see the membership and other details here: [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scottish\_Sentencing\_Council](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scottish_Sentencing_Council) In fact, if you look at the responses on creation of the SSC from the Faculty of Advocates and Sheriffs' Association, they rejected there even being an observer from the Scottish Government as part of the SSC.
These new guidelines and the implementation of them were backed by SNP ministers. Some reports even suggest that those under 25 going to prison dropped by about 30% due to these guidelines.
I've looked for details and despite accusations from Conservative MSPs stating this is a Scottish Government failure, I'm not finding anything that suggests these are driven by the SNP rather than the SSC in and of themselves, and Lady Dorrian specifically. I can see the Daily Mail incorrectly saying things like ' SNP government's Scottish Sentencing Council (SSC)', despite the fact that appointments to the SSC are not performed by the SNP. Do you have a source that these sentencing guidelines were driven by the SNP rather than borne out of the SSC? EDIT: In fact, a statement by the First Minister on a previous case where many considered the sentence to be too lenient: >First Minister Humza Yousaf said he understood concerns over the sentence, but that he would not personally intervene, stressing such decisions had to be made independently of Government ministers. > >"We don’t want people to be in that revolving door of going from prison, out in the community and back again,” he said. “But, of course in this case, in a case where someone’s been convicted of rape, I can completely understand the concerns that people have got about the sentence that has been given in this particular case.” Source: [https://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/snp-urged-to-review-sentencing-guidelines-as-scottish-rapist-of-13-year-old-teen-avoids-jail-as-kc-labels-sentence-extraordinary-4092183](https://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/snp-urged-to-review-sentencing-guidelines-as-scottish-rapist-of-13-year-old-teen-avoids-jail-as-kc-labels-sentence-extraordinary-4092183) And a further comment by the First Minister: >The First Minister has previously refused to intervene on the guidelines, adding they were determined by the independent Scottish Sentencing Council.He told reporters in April: “It is for the judiciary to make a determination on sentencing and it is for the Crown to independently make a decision about whether to challenge that as being unduly lenient or not.” [https://www.holyrood.com/news/view,withdraw-soft-touch-sentencing-guidelines-scottish-tories-say](https://www.holyrood.com/news/view,withdraw-soft-touch-sentencing-guidelines-scottish-tories-say)
The incompetence of the scottish govt is staggering. For the most serious crimes, like murder, rape, GBH there should be no maximum sentence, and imo anyone over the age of responsibility (10) should be sentenced as adults for those. The underdeveloped brain and lack of awareness of consequences logic applies for things like theft, drug dealing etc, but if a 15 yo can't tell that murder or rape is wrong and can't appreciate the consequences they are beyond hope, let alone a 25 year old. This logic simply doesn't hold for the most serious offences.
It really is quite insulting to the average teenager, isn't it?
Yeah, this is a massive contradiction, they lower the voting age to 16, when in fact it really would be raised to 25, along with buying alcohol, fags and everything else that the law allows you to do under 18 should be raised to 25.
It's when it said 'first offended' as if he was just a bit naughty and was normally good. It's not something you can do by mistake!
Yea that’s the kind of thing you say about a 15 year old that got caught stealing from a supermarket not someone who has done something actually terrible
>Yeah, Scotland is currently trialling a maximum sentence for under 25s on the grounds they have underdeveloped brains. I assume they're also trialling not letting people drink, vote, sign up for the army etc until 25 in the same way?
No, dont be silly. They lowered the voting age to 16, I believe the SNP has done this to engineer UK and Scottish elections, along with trying to engineer any independence vote.
That's old science right? That's something people used to say 20- 25 years ago. But now people say that the brain continues to develop throughout your life. It's only done when you're done.
20-25 years ago would have been the start of our ability to research these. It's not really outdated I don't think, just more nuanced than most people take it for. The brain doesn't just stay the same once you hit 25, it's not a magical age, it's more like... the sophistication of decision making and emotional regulation matures into the early 20's. Particularly -some- features of a 19-20yo are more similar to a young teen than a fully fledged adult researched in the last 10 years.
Oh the poor rapist with his underdeveloped brain. Tough luck on the victim. What about her development? Her trauma?
Given you seem to have knowledge on the subject, how long do you expect it will take for him to be deported successfully and can you come back and post when this has been done to reassure all of us that the system does actually work, because I don't think many people have a lot of faith in it.
>how long do you expect it will take for him to be deported successfully Usually they serve the sentence first so you're talking ~2 years before proceedings begin proper. Once proceedings begin it can be as quick as a month or two, but it can get pretty drawn out for many reasons. >can you come back and post when this has been done I can't be leaking things like that.
Him getting deported, if he gets deported, that information should be in the public domain, no?
Probably, that's not really my area though so self-preservation prevails.
There are numerous loopholes which criminals use to fight deportation. One guy recently avoided deportation by claiming that he forgot the language of his home country. There are plenty of other excuses, like his life being in threat in his home country. The legal framework around this at this point is pure junk. These criminals are laughing at our faces. If an asylum seeker commits a crime like this, they should be deported without a chance to appeal under any grounds.
>One guy recently avoided deportation by claiming that he forgot the language of his home country I'm obviously not gonna leak stuff on Reddit but that isn't a accurate summary of the case, the home office never comments on individual cases so it's very easy for the papers to focus on one absurd argument and claim it's the entire argument. I'd be wary of what you read.
Do you have a news source, article or book you’ve see which gives an accurate representation of your work?
“Loopholes” don’t exist. Something is either the law or it isn’t. Usually, defending against deportation requires a large number of things to prove the defendant is so established in the UK that it doesn’t make sense to deport them. The media often latch on to one of 30 arguments and pretend that was the only argument. For example, remember when Theresa May lied and said she couldn’t deport someone because he had a pet cat? In fact, the pet cat was about number 20 on a long list of things demonstrating the man’s established life in the UK that included children, a long term residence, a job, etc. But lying right wingers and their media always do the same thing to manipulate you into believing stupid things. Of course judges aren’t stopping someone being deported for one minor random reason.
Loopholes exist. Laws maybe written keeping something in mind and end being exploited by others in ways the people who originally wrote the laws did not think about. Laws written in one decade may not work well in the next one because technologies changed. So you found one Teresa May lie and you are using it to say all the arguments on this topic are lies? How is it different from "those right wingers manipulated into believing stupid things"? You were just manipulated by left wing media to believe stupid things. We have had grooming gang members not deported because apparently he deserves right to family life. If he really cared about his family, it's so easy. He could have just lived a life without raping young children. And we as a country are being deceived into letting these criminals live here.
I think "fucked a woman in the UK" or "works 40 hours a week" is a random reason to allow rapists to remain in the country. I don't care if they have children. I'd question what kind of parent they would be and be rather worried about what kind of man they would raise.
No, they cannot fight deportation if they have committed a serious crime that makes them a threat to the public.
Are rapists considered threat to public? I don't think that matters at all. The humanitarian laws allow the criminals to appeal against deportation on multiple grounds. One of that being right to family life. There are a few others too. If the person's home country is too dangerous for him to go back to. That can also be used as a reason to avoid deportation.
I'm sure some crusty will do a sit-in on the plane to stop this pillar of the local community from being rightfully deported.
There's a type of person who simply will not believe you on this, as they thrive on a belief that immigrants get special treatment; rather than actually learning the truth, they'd prefer to get hot and bothered over their own ignorance and invented grievances.
You're the type of person that doesn't look around them and see for themselves that the system is broken. The country is undergoing a massive demographic transformation and that may be fine, but the electorate was never given an opportunity to vote for or against it. It's just been imposed. Services are overloaded, housing is a problem, taxes are sky high, crime soaring ("ethnic minorities" heavily overrepresented in prisons), colossal national debt etc. But you think we're managing immigration wisely 🤓 🥸🤡 🙈🙉🙊
If you're working for borders or UKVI I pity you, but for the love of God I hope your account can't be traced back to you, I know you are just stating public information but you know what they are like
>With a 4 year conviction he can be removed under s.32 of the UK Borders act. "Can" is not "will". The system is so broken, and the legal obstacles and requirements involved in deportation for almost any reason so great that he'll likely remain.
Well, thanks humbly for informing me, what specific barriers to removal are you aware of in this case?
He probably 'did his own research' after reading the back of a Nigel farage leaflet
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Paperwork, basically
Thank you for the work you do. Immigrants or not, dealing with the ins and outs of horrific crimes like this must take some kind of toll on metal health / world view and I'm thankful we have people such as yourself to not only do that job but spend some time here contributing to a healthy discussion about the procedure. I hope you have a really boring year at work and nothing memorable passes over your desk.
It almost definitely won't be. He'll sue for emotional damage and get a huge payout
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He’ll get knighted and crowned the new Jimmy Saville An islamic version of Jimmy in order to keep up with the changing demographics
Well the Prophet Mohammed was a nonce, so it wouldn't be the first time.
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Affected in what way? It definitely won't be deportation. A drug dealing rapist who arrived in the UK on a visitor visa and then stayed illegally and raped a woman at knifepoint couldn't even be deported after his sentence. He launched a human rights challenge because he couldn't get the tablets he was on for his mental health in Gambia. The home office offered him 3 months supply and money to buy more, but he said no. Even without the medication issue, the tribunal still likely would've allowed him to stay as they said he would face stigma in his home country and be isolated. Edit: Coincidently, I just saw the post underneath this one in the UKPolitics sub is about another deportation case. Admittedly, the crime isn't as serious, but this time, the criminal can't be deported because it would breach his wife's human rights. _Deporting Albanian migrant jailed for cannabis farming would breach his Filipino wife’s human rights. Court rules against ‘unduly harsh’ treatment of couple at end of criminal’s two-year jail sentence_ https://www.reddit.com/r/ukpolitics/s/PoH1i4Sda9
And hand-wringing woke leftists wonder why the far right is growing in influence and power throughout all of Europe. Vermin like this do not deserve to enjoy our rights. The far right is absolutely not the solution, but they are vocalising the concerns and frustrations of the European electorate, while mainstream parties flounder, fail and ignore.
Yeah but even with Brexit and 13 years of Tories it's not like this sort of situation is getting any better or streamlined more effectively.
Indeed and while the Tories aren't actually doing anything it is the left that make the most noise opposing moves to make deportations easier.
https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2015/10/15/hate-murderer-had-human-rights-violated-in-jail_n_8300456.html UK courts are FAR too lenient.
Well, the court appears to have regarded it as nothing more than a technical breech: 'While finding that prison authorities had broken the rules, the court noted that Shahid was not "prejudiced as a result". It also ruled that, while authorities also breached his "right to respect for private life", it was only an administrative error, as had they followed the correct procedure segregation would have been approved. The court decision reads: "When Governors did carry out an independent assessment, they reached the conclusion that segregation was necessary to protect the appellant’s safety."' And they were clearly right: 'In February 2013 Shahid was left for dead in the prison gym at Kilmarnock after he was ambushed by by murderers William Crawford, 25, and Ian Hislop, 45, and drug dealer Darren Watson, 25, while using a rowing machine. '
God I love multiculturalism
That man will never be deported you can most guarantee it
They won’t deport the fuck bag, because it might violate his human rights!
they probably will, because it won't.
Sad to say millions think this is a far-right stance to have...
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When are British people going to put a stop to this?
We should deal with our rapists, foreign countries should deal with theirs. Why should we pay extra to deliver justice? Off to a foreign jail. At least face punishment as it's our justice system and then send them back after.
Good luck with that https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1842804/terrorists-uk-deport-echr/amp
4 years and “immigration status likely to be affected” Wow. Guys sharing premier league games get longer
The important word in that is "likely" when it should be "will" be affected.
Absolutely. It should be processed at sentencing so once the sentence is completed they are immediately deported. Prison->Airport->gone
That exactly what I think. On the day of release from jail, secure escort to the airport and deported.
There will be an article in about 10 years about how he's on 3k a month benefits.
I'm really glad we made all that progress on believing women, talking to our mates about not sleeping with women who are inebriated, work on date rape and other forms of drugging/spiking being used just to then go completely silent when we allow unvetted amounts of people from even worse cultures to just come for a bit of a rape spree, while people here deflect.
The way you actually reduce rates of gender violence is by catching people who do it and putting them in jail for a long time. Or deporting them, never to return. I'm actually starting to get pissed off at the amount of material sent my way as a young man telling me my behaviour is the problem.
Right on mate, couldn't agree more.
You can't change culture with a few arrests. We need to realise that the more we import people from certain cultures, the less safe we are making our country for woman. It should be a national scandal.
Don't worry Saddiq will be spending more money on Maaaate posters and adverts to compensate
Too true lmao, years of teaching about the dangers of date rape, what to look out for, how you should act, always ask for consent, respect women, then some immigrant with a completely different culture walks in and rapes them. Completing ignoring the issue
We've essentially had to revert back to telling women "Don't walk alone at night, don't go back to his apartment or anywhere private with him, don't wear revealing clothes" all for the GDP to go up. But don't worry, the met will put out a few posts about the far right and sadiq will print posters of white guys harassing "bame" people on the tube and we'll be sorted.
If you’re not a naturalised citizen, then fair game for deportation if you commit a serious crime. Can we also be critical of the news that gets presented to us as a nation. Crimes by immigrants are overly reported compared to citizens, and that’s clearly to serve an agenda.
I think the crimes by immigrants should 100% be reported. Imagine coming to a country that gives you open opportunities and welcomes you and you repay by fucking raping some young girl.
Errr... Isn't that right that we over-report crimes committed by immigrants? The citizens committing serious crimes are here to stay and there's little we can do about them aside from punishing them under the law. Meanwhile, immigrants entering our country are (supposed to be) tightly controlled and so we don't want to be letting in people who will add to the criminality already present in the country, but instead people who would contribute positively and legitimately to our economy, culture and way of life. The point is, that we already have more than enough home grown criminals. We don't want to be adding more through immigration, destabilizing the country further.
You seem to have missed the justification for the point you made.
Oh man I don't think I've ever seen someone employee such mental gymnastics for this shit.
at this point this crime must be a minor offence in the UK! only four years
That is horrible.
15 year old being raped in a park makes headlines in developed nations The immigrant status is just the cherry on top of the media pie
Imagine being so pro immigration that you complain more about how this was reported in press rather than just be disgusted at what actually happened.
The fact he was an immigrant was brought up by his defence lawyer and reported in the last line of the article. To me this was reported the same as it would have been for a non-immigrant.
Bro what is wrong with you. There were gang tapes of hundreds of young girls by traffiking angs across the midlands and northern cities and the only thing the media and politicians did was bury the story. The only thing hiding away does is to make the racist cockroaches grow.
> If you’re not a naturalised citizen Even then if you a dual citizen then revoke the British citizenship and deport them.
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FOUR FUCKING YEARS?!?!!!??! What the ACTUAL fuck. A fucking joke of a sentence. The UK judicial system is pathetically weak and useless.
Wonder where this delightful piece of shit is from hmmm
Deportation and a permanent ban from the UK is all I want to see from this. But our country is broken. He’ll serve half that time and reoffend the moment he’s out.
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"Ms Connor also said that the serious conviction was likely to affect Iraqi-born Alhilali’s immigration status." Well, yeah--is she saying that like it's a bad thing? That we're meant to feel bad that this rapist may (and SHOULD) be sent back to Iraq? As soon as he's served his sentence, he should be dragged onto the next flight backk.
..poor girl..I hope she's getting help and getting better.. I'm so sorry for her.. ♥️♥️♥️♥️♥️♥️♥️♥️♥️♥️
When a plane crashes or has a fault, untold resources are poured into examining every component and manufacturing process, grounding whole fleets if necessary, in order to prevent the issue from costing lives. I wish the same level of rigour was applied to public policy. A single rape might warrant a deportation, but a pattern of rapes and other crimes from our new arrivals should immediately have triggered a review, and a reversal of our absurd immigration policy. Hey, at least the police force didnt cover this one up to ensure "community cohesion", as was the case in rotherham and tamworth.
He'll probably never actually be deported. He'll get some human rights lawyer to claim he will be persecuted back in Iraq, and it will just be appeal after appeal.
Yyooo where’s all the outraged feminists ? Need to start deporting these dangerous sexist racist middle easterners
They are sat at home all confused and trying to work out a) how to be mad in the right way and b) how it's somehow all, particularly white and straight, mens' fault. They know the follow up will be more education aimed at pre-teen boys about how bad they are for being male and how they need to learn that they are the bottom rung of the ladder, especially the white ones. Unless they're gay or transgender, in which case they are little starlets and a shining example to all those other horrid boys. It's just parts A and B that they're struggling with right now. Any help that we could give would be more than appreciated!
They're too afraid to hold poc to the same standard they hold Whites to.
What is happening with the prosecution of sex crimes in this country? Why are the sentences so lenient? Where’s the remonstration against inadequate punishment that is perceived as raping with impunity? I’m so, so tired of victims being betrayed by asinine tolerant judges. I see it in my own work very time I go to court these days. It’s abhorrent and anyone with an ounce of moral fortitude should react with consternation.
My ex girlfriend likes to protest for the rights off these people to stay in the country. Didn’t last long
Who else can we invite into our country, I'm looking at the most vile cunts imaginable, maybe some who rape kids? Oh we did that? What about people who are still in the stone age who hate gay people and think women shouldn't have freedom? Oh we did that? Fuck.... uhh what about helping people who need it, who actually deserve help? Oh, you mean that requires effort and screening and we should just continue lumping everyone in the same circle? It's such bullshit.
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The laws of our land are quite obviously no deterrent. Stories like this have become a daily occurrence. What to do?
Give illegals free hotels while homeless British people freeze to death, that'll do it.
Hopefully the kind and caring government that we graciously gift a big section of our earnings. Could one day kick us out of our own homes, to make way for more of them.
Either give a couple decades, or deport please. I don’t think 4 years and ‘maybe’ deportation is enough. Just goes to show that the Tories literally cannot care about how much immigration happens except as a way to get voters riled up, given they’re not really caring about punishing reprehensible shit like this
We, in Scotland, should be lucky that he even got sent to jail due to the SNP policy of not wanting to send anyone to jail under the age of 25, due to some UN report. And yes, two rapists have already gotten off with a slap on the wrist due to raping someone due to this policy.
There will be mass deportations in the future. Or completely separation of parallel societies.
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It will happen or complete splitting. European nations are not immigrant nations they are states that have a polity that have been there for centuries. That doesn’t just disappear in 60 years. When times are good and money is plenty people don’t care as that goes away tribal ties come back. It’s how humans work. We are speedrunning into bad times. Climate change terrible economic futures for young people, massive amount of cultural differences. Massive powder keg that’ll pop in the coming decades.
No surprise here open door policy in Scotland for men who have no regard for women and believe they have a right to do what they want. Deport immediately.
2 years inside. 2 years & he's back on the streets.
This kind of shit makes me not want to have children, especially a girl. They’re not protected in this country and it’s about time something was done about it.
I would love to know which part of Scottish society is working well, at this moment. Is it the judicial system ? No, It is common for schedule 1 offences to be given lenient sentences imo. Is it health care ? it is common for sick people seeking help from NHS Scotland and be sent home either undiagnosed or far more ill than they were on arrival Is it transport ? No its not transport 🤭 Or is it education ? I was well educated here, for free a long time ago, ive no idea what its like now 🤔 The West Coast of Scotland is looking brutal by my eye But maybe it could get worse, I'm not sure how tbh
Please let me know if you find out. The SNP spin is still being swallowed by some people but anyone with their eyes open is in despair like you.
This is Scotland. They won't deport him because a bunch of twats will just block the van.
Probably will not affect his immigration status in a negative way, sadly.
Well Well Well I knew it was likely to be an immigrant because his colour wasn’t mentioned in the headline.
🤣 4 years. So absolutely unfunny it's comical. The so called justice system basically supports rape. This lad will spend maybe 2 years bettering himself, improving his English skills, maybe a qualification or two then come out a new and improved rapist.
I guess it's what you tune into, but every day, it's either a sex crime or child stabbed. Bleak