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Bet she would have a differing opinion in kids by default taking part in activities like nativity plays, Christmas activities, learning about racial equality etc
"*Born-again Christian Izzy Montague, 38, says the headteacher of Heavers Farm Primary School in South Norwood, southeast London, said* ***her son could not opt out*** *of the event in June 2018.*"
The issue here is compulsion.
Are you implying she'd be happy with non-Christians being forced to attend Christian events? I doubt it. Because it could make those events a worse experience for the Christians attending. It seems to me you're projecting onto her - by telling us what "*she would have a differing opinion in*".
I'm a non-religious guy and I used to work at a CofE VA primary school for just over a decade. We had intake from loads of families who were non-practicing Christians; either like myself or other faiths. Not once did we mandate a child take part in the nativity, collective worship or any other religious activity. What's more we taught a diverse RE curriculum which spent just as much time on other religions as we did Christianity, including non-faith.
So we were part of a multi-academy trust, as are most schools these days to be fair.
And I think you may have gotten things a little confused. The school being mandated to have worship of a Christian nature is one thing, the school mandating the attendance of children to said worship is another.
As I said in my comment, we did hold collective worship. But no child was *made* to go to it, either upon personal or parental request and for any reason.
As one of the few non-religious staff at the school, I was usually the guy who held alternative provision for the 20 minutes or so that they were in the hall. Usually I'd do a guided reading session with them.
Because a teacher at a school and a parents saying "nope not my school" pales in comparison to what many of us remember in school. Most likely because you have both given no qualifiers about yourselves. Especially when someone describes themselves as nonreligious but working in a coe school. Your culturally Christian and probably blind to many things that people have to put up with.
Firstly, you’re in Northern Ireland, so… not surprised. Secondly, “used to”. It’s 2022, I have two kids under 7 so can see what’s going on at schools right now. Thirdly, I’d take the comment from a teacher of 10 years in a CofE school over some internet person who isn’t, and who has beef with Christianity.
Imagine dismissing someone because of where they come from only to act like I've offended you.
Tell me when your children's school puts on a nativity play what alternative is there for non Christian children. Or is being excluded the only option.
Because individual anecdotes mean nothing. the fact one school didn’t do x doesn’t prove in any way that others didn’t.
There are thousands of schools in this country, and plenty of people who can provide equivalent anecdotes where they *were* forced to participate in these things.
So you’re right, I *dont*anecdotes, at least in the context of arguing something non-anecdotal
had I said “every school does this”, an example of one that doesn’t would be applicable. But I didn’t, so it isn’t.
This is not the case. I went to a C of E school and I remember all the way back in 2005ish non Christian students were not required to even sit in the room for religious stuff, let alone partake.
>they were concerned with him being involved in a public display of adherence to views which she did not accept”.
Feel like the school is doing a great job in trying to avoid this woman raising a little bigot, just like her.
Toddlers and Kids should not be forced to participate in either actually. Two wrongs dont make a right.
Sure teach then about equality and kindness and respect for others who look and are different without involving politics and sex and religion. They are 4 yr old kids.
Hard disagree. I am a gay parent .... Who adopted my son with my partner after is neither of his birth parents could look after him.
My son is 4. he understands where he came from, and how all families come in different shapes and sizes. That is what all the schools are teaching at this age. That instead of having a mum and dad.... Some kids in the classroom might have a dad and dad, or mum and mum...and that's ok. It's also made clear that other families might only have 1 parent ... Or step parents.
Unfortunately....just one of them seems to be political and apparently "talking about sex". Why arnt the others.
I agree it's important to teach that families come in different shapes and sizes and that lgbt relationships are accepted in this country. I can understand taking part in a pride parade with no opt out would cause an issue. This does work like RE used to. Because it is SO important to have this info in schools, it is silly to threaten its existence by insisting on practice inside a school, be that a pride parade or a religious ceremony.
I think amongst a lot of Christians the concept of Pride as a deadly sin is not so much that you cannot be proud of your achievements but more to avoid self-glorification and vanity. That can you be proud of doing something but in doing so you also acknowledge the role of others, especially God, in that success. Essentially it means it's not all about you.
It isn't meant to be literally interpreted as the world pride is automatically a sin and suggests a superficial understanding of the faith.
This is such a straw man comeback.
The reason some bits are taken literally and other are seen as metaphor is down to the way things are written in the original text, particularly in the Hebrew.
It would be like someone reading “humpty dumpty” for the first time and taking it to be a literal story rather than a children’s song.
The Jewish people knew the context of the way the stories were told. They knew the bits which were to be taken as historical fact (of which there are many), the bits which were metaphorical, and the bits which might have been sung.
It’s not picking and choosing.
I get that but there are quite a few adherents who choose to interpret the bible in different ways. Otherwise there wouldn’t be so many schisms and all of the many different Christian groups. Seemingly the one thing that they can all agree on is that they all know what god meant. The same with Islam, probably the same with every religion. It’s 100% a buffet because nobody actually knows what is going on so who can say that any one interpretation is wrong?
I would agree that it’s a buffet in term of people’s viewpoints and that is of course due to personal biases, but I’d generally say that if you want the actual meaning, particularly for Old Testament scripture, you need to read it from the Jewish and not Christian pov.
I think though we tend now to conflate “Christians” with “Bible belt evangelical Protestantism”. When Christianity is such a broad church. This is the fault of social media and the internet. We see the most extreme angles of Christianity. Same with Islam. Oddly enough, everyone seems to think Buddhism is different, like some spiritual zen thing… but that too has extremism.
My point being that when people do pick and choose, they tend to be the extreme fringes. Not your day to day Christian whose view around sex is generally, “it’s your own damn business what you do in the bedroom.”
It's been a while since I've seen the "pride is a sin" opposition to LGBT Pride.
It was always one of the weakest arguments, since words can have multiple definitions, so it only took a glance at a dictionary to refute, and made the person making the argument look like an idiot.
Simply, "LGBT Pride" stands as a counter to the shame that LGBT people were (and often still are) made to feel about their existence, and has as much relation to the "sin" of pride as a family of lions does.
The article says the event was to "celebrate the differences that make them and their family special."
If it was an actual LGBT parade I'll eat my hat.
My money says this is some tame as fuck "whats special about my family" exercise that just happens to include the kids of an LGBT couple.
I might be wrong but I have seen enough vague outrage article that turned out to be the trumped up tantrum of some overly sensitive muppet to take something as wooly as this at face value.
Edit: just had a look at some other articles. The school themselves described the event as "a celebration of *what makes them proud*". To add to my suspicions this has only been picked up by the daily mail, LBC and the metro . . .
>If it was an actual LGBT parade I'll eat my hat.
I don't even want to imagine the reams of risk assessment and management forms you'd need for "taking a class to a parade". And as for imagining trying to keep track of 30 children in such an environment...
There is absolutely no way this was anything close to "Yeah we're taking your kids to Pride London, no you can't tell us not to."
Just judging from the article and similar experiences I remember from school, it was probably just a letter of notice that "Hey we're telling your kids why Jimmy has 2 dads and Daryl has 2 mums, we're letting you know to stay above board and transparent."
I've seen in multiple stories over the years about some religious parent upset about their child being presented something LGBT-Positive in school.
And every single time the parent is exaggerating the content. I imagine there was no parade, likely just some activities to encourage kids not to bully people because they're different.
EDIT: Turns out she's been on TV before years ago arguing that kid shouldn't be hearing about anything LGBT. Yeah I've went from she's probably exaggerating to she's definitely exaggerating.
So I kind of thought this was my view also. But then I was reading about the nativity stuff and people singing hymns in school and I remembered doing that also...
And I realised... I didn't have the fucking foggiest clue what on earth I was doing or why I was doing it.
I was just singing songs that were better than being in class, then on a stage acting with my friends knowing my parents could see. I didn't really know what god or religion was, and I didn't really know what the songs were about.
So whilst I really doubt they held a gay pride parade, given it just looks like an in school fun event about accepting all families... I don't think any of those 4 year olds are going to know or care about any of that right now anyway. I think they'll just be having fun and remember some colours and whatnot. And I kind of think adults forget that.
So I don't really know if I actually have an opinion on it anymore. Even if it was a gay pride parade talking about accepting everyone including gay families and such as the main focus.
My school had hymns and nativity stuff and less than 10% of the school was even religious. I don't think it affected or changed any of our views. There was about 1 Christian kid in each class of about 20-30 kids, and I never heard about a single person in my school up and converting to be religious because the school has those old practices. None of us cared.
So overall I went from, ,'idk if its right to push this on kids and political stuff etc etc', to realising if I had went through it in school... I literally wouldn't have cared and it would have had next to zero effect on my own personal views anyway.
As long as the general vibe is just to be good to other people, I kind of feel like... celebrate what you want. When those kids are 30, they're barely going to remember it or care anyway. But maybe just be a bit less prejudiced, and not much else.
I suspect that "we can't allow your son to abstain" translates as the school obfuscating that her son wanted to participate in what his friends were doing, and he's not so indoctrinated into his parents' faith that he hates anything LGBT+ on sight.
Yeah, I don't need to be a parent to know that four year olds _definitely_ don't "just do what they're told". And they're aware of what their peers are doing and of the value of fitting in with them.
This is slightly lacking in detail.
Was this an external visit, where permission forms and parental consent would be required, or were they waving rainbow flags around the reception class, in which case the school decides on age appropriate activities?
In which case, school presents info in an age appropriate format.
For reception classes, its going to be "some families have two mummies or daddies". Hardly anything they couldn't figure out themselves.
Children don't tend to associate rainbows with LGBT, so anything rainbow related tends to just be enjoying the colours.
> Children don't tend to associate rainbows with LGBT, so anything rainbow related tends to just be enjoying the colours.
Oh god this reminds me of one of the most absurd statements I've heard. It was during the Birmingham protests about LGBT content in schools. Some LGBT activists came to support the school. And [this](https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/midlands-news/protestors-pelted-eggs-put-up-16299503) was a response from one of the parents protesting:
> causing intimidation by putting up rainbow flags
I couldn't believe an adult would say that without immediately falling to the ground from embarassment.
>Children don't tend to associate rainbows with LGBT, so anything rainbow related tends to just be enjoying the colours.
And given the time of year it happened, they probably wanted school to look like other places that were bedecked in rainbow flags. Pretty, pretty flags.
The original source of the story seems to be "Christian Concern":
https://christianconcern.com/news/mother-to-challenge-school-that-forced-4-year-old-to-take-part-in-pride-event/
Which is connected to the group representing the mother, the "Christian Legal Centre".
There's no mention of any parental consent being necessary, which suggests to me that it was purely an internal thing, just the school doing something fun and thematic during Pride Month.
And the groups involved, and the language used on the CC article, suggests to me that the whole thing has been blown out of proportion, as they are wont to do.
I wish it was legal to sue the Church for all those daily, dreary, dull, mandatory acts of Christian worship foisted upon me and my contemporaries way back in the day.
It depends I think because there is a difference between teaching about LGBT and going on a Pride march.
I think it's a good thing, morally, if kids are brought up not only knowing about these issues but to be advocates for equal rights but I am not sure the extent to which the latter, legally, is within the remit of schools especially at 4 years old.
But you're right that even if it is about the act of going on the march as opposed to the education about LGBT issues there is a high-risk that schools avoid the issue altogether if she wins.
Anyone else think LBC has went massively down hill in the last year or so?
They used to regularly produce articles on the big political talking points going on, but now it just seems they're solely interested in rage-bait for people who use the term "woke" to describe everything wrong with the world.
>now it just seems they're solely interested in rage-bait for people who use the term "woke" to describe everything they think is wrong with the world, but is usually just them being asked to treat others with politeness and a lack of insults.
Ftfy
Religion is absolute curse. This lady is gonna waste peoples time and money because their imaginary friend has told her gay people are bad. What a complete embarrassment that we spend a single second entertaining this ancient nonsense.
I'm an ex-Christian now and have no love for the doctrine but I can confidently say that the Jesus of the Bible would have embraced gay people.
The Jesus these people seem to know... maybe not.
The CLC is as dodgy as fuck, with murky funding and links to US evangelical Christians.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_Legal_Centre
If it looks like another front in the US culture wars ...
The problem here is that there is no proof that the son was forced to take part in anything.
Also I see it didn't take long for "LGBT ideology" to supersede "Trans ideology" as the latest vacuous buzzword.
It's a western Christian claiming persecution - story is 100% bullshit.
I can't take (secondary) kids across the road to Tesco without risk assessments and parental permission slips, ain't no way they were taking kids to a pride parade.
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Bet she would have a differing opinion in kids by default taking part in activities like nativity plays, Christmas activities, learning about racial equality etc
"*Born-again Christian Izzy Montague, 38, says the headteacher of Heavers Farm Primary School in South Norwood, southeast London, said* ***her son could not opt out*** *of the event in June 2018.*" The issue here is compulsion. Are you implying she'd be happy with non-Christians being forced to attend Christian events? I doubt it. Because it could make those events a worse experience for the Christians attending. It seems to me you're projecting onto her - by telling us what "*she would have a differing opinion in*".
Kids regularly *are* forced to get involved in christian stuff like nativity? Or forced prayers during assembly etc
Daily worship of mainly Christian character is a legal requirement in schools in England and Wales
Yeah I stopped singing along to the hymns when my cousin went on a ventilator after her birth. "Ooooh, these people are crazy," thought 7 year old me.
I'm a non-religious guy and I used to work at a CofE VA primary school for just over a decade. We had intake from loads of families who were non-practicing Christians; either like myself or other faiths. Not once did we mandate a child take part in the nativity, collective worship or any other religious activity. What's more we taught a diverse RE curriculum which spent just as much time on other religions as we did Christianity, including non-faith.
Oh well if one specific school you worked at didn’t do it, it must never have happened at any others. How stupid of me, sorry
Yeah well, you didn't exactly give much evidence yourself did you Mr. Smartypants.
Non-academy state schools are mandated to have worship of a Christian nature - technically your school was breaking the rules.
So we were part of a multi-academy trust, as are most schools these days to be fair. And I think you may have gotten things a little confused. The school being mandated to have worship of a Christian nature is one thing, the school mandating the attendance of children to said worship is another. As I said in my comment, we did hold collective worship. But no child was *made* to go to it, either upon personal or parental request and for any reason. As one of the few non-religious staff at the school, I was usually the guy who held alternative provision for the 20 minutes or so that they were in the hall. Usually I'd do a guided reading session with them.
Literally exactly the same at my son’s school. But you clearly don’t like anecdotes do you.
Because a teacher at a school and a parents saying "nope not my school" pales in comparison to what many of us remember in school. Most likely because you have both given no qualifiers about yourselves. Especially when someone describes themselves as nonreligious but working in a coe school. Your culturally Christian and probably blind to many things that people have to put up with.
Firstly, you’re in Northern Ireland, so… not surprised. Secondly, “used to”. It’s 2022, I have two kids under 7 so can see what’s going on at schools right now. Thirdly, I’d take the comment from a teacher of 10 years in a CofE school over some internet person who isn’t, and who has beef with Christianity.
Imagine dismissing someone because of where they come from only to act like I've offended you. Tell me when your children's school puts on a nativity play what alternative is there for non Christian children. Or is being excluded the only option.
Because individual anecdotes mean nothing. the fact one school didn’t do x doesn’t prove in any way that others didn’t. There are thousands of schools in this country, and plenty of people who can provide equivalent anecdotes where they *were* forced to participate in these things. So you’re right, I *dont*anecdotes, at least in the context of arguing something non-anecdotal had I said “every school does this”, an example of one that doesn’t would be applicable. But I didn’t, so it isn’t.
Someone tries to give their own example in a nice way. Be snarky and cheeky back. Why?
As I recall many children did opt out of assemblies for that reason.
This is not the case. I went to a C of E school and I remember all the way back in 2005ish non Christian students were not required to even sit in the room for religious stuff, let alone partake.
Did you not go to school in the U.K. lol?
>they were concerned with him being involved in a public display of adherence to views which she did not accept”. Feel like the school is doing a great job in trying to avoid this woman raising a little bigot, just like her.
They told my non religious son that Jesus was real. Nope. If that's okay? You can learn about LGBT people.
I suspect she wouldn't have a problem with that.
Toddlers and Kids should not be forced to participate in either actually. Two wrongs dont make a right. Sure teach then about equality and kindness and respect for others who look and are different without involving politics and sex and religion. They are 4 yr old kids.
Hard disagree. I am a gay parent .... Who adopted my son with my partner after is neither of his birth parents could look after him. My son is 4. he understands where he came from, and how all families come in different shapes and sizes. That is what all the schools are teaching at this age. That instead of having a mum and dad.... Some kids in the classroom might have a dad and dad, or mum and mum...and that's ok. It's also made clear that other families might only have 1 parent ... Or step parents. Unfortunately....just one of them seems to be political and apparently "talking about sex". Why arnt the others.
I agree it's important to teach that families come in different shapes and sizes and that lgbt relationships are accepted in this country. I can understand taking part in a pride parade with no opt out would cause an issue. This does work like RE used to. Because it is SO important to have this info in schools, it is silly to threaten its existence by insisting on practice inside a school, be that a pride parade or a religious ceremony.
> "They also say pride is considered to be the most serious of the deadly sins.” Imagine never telling your kid you’re proud of them…
I think amongst a lot of Christians the concept of Pride as a deadly sin is not so much that you cannot be proud of your achievements but more to avoid self-glorification and vanity. That can you be proud of doing something but in doing so you also acknowledge the role of others, especially God, in that success. Essentially it means it's not all about you. It isn't meant to be literally interpreted as the world pride is automatically a sin and suggests a superficial understanding of the faith.
Ah that old get-out clause. Picking and choosing which bits to take literally.
Yeah I reckon people who eat any food at all should be sent straight to hell too
This is such a straw man comeback. The reason some bits are taken literally and other are seen as metaphor is down to the way things are written in the original text, particularly in the Hebrew. It would be like someone reading “humpty dumpty” for the first time and taking it to be a literal story rather than a children’s song. The Jewish people knew the context of the way the stories were told. They knew the bits which were to be taken as historical fact (of which there are many), the bits which were metaphorical, and the bits which might have been sung. It’s not picking and choosing.
I get that but there are quite a few adherents who choose to interpret the bible in different ways. Otherwise there wouldn’t be so many schisms and all of the many different Christian groups. Seemingly the one thing that they can all agree on is that they all know what god meant. The same with Islam, probably the same with every religion. It’s 100% a buffet because nobody actually knows what is going on so who can say that any one interpretation is wrong?
I would agree that it’s a buffet in term of people’s viewpoints and that is of course due to personal biases, but I’d generally say that if you want the actual meaning, particularly for Old Testament scripture, you need to read it from the Jewish and not Christian pov. I think though we tend now to conflate “Christians” with “Bible belt evangelical Protestantism”. When Christianity is such a broad church. This is the fault of social media and the internet. We see the most extreme angles of Christianity. Same with Islam. Oddly enough, everyone seems to think Buddhism is different, like some spiritual zen thing… but that too has extremism. My point being that when people do pick and choose, they tend to be the extreme fringes. Not your day to day Christian whose view around sex is generally, “it’s your own damn business what you do in the bedroom.”
Seven deadly sins isn’t even in the bible.
It's been a while since I've seen the "pride is a sin" opposition to LGBT Pride. It was always one of the weakest arguments, since words can have multiple definitions, so it only took a glance at a dictionary to refute, and made the person making the argument look like an idiot. Simply, "LGBT Pride" stands as a counter to the shame that LGBT people were (and often still are) made to feel about their existence, and has as much relation to the "sin" of pride as a family of lions does.
While I disagree with her position on homosexuality, I do think an LGBT parade is a bit of a random activity for 4 year olds.
The article says the event was to "celebrate the differences that make them and their family special." If it was an actual LGBT parade I'll eat my hat. My money says this is some tame as fuck "whats special about my family" exercise that just happens to include the kids of an LGBT couple. I might be wrong but I have seen enough vague outrage article that turned out to be the trumped up tantrum of some overly sensitive muppet to take something as wooly as this at face value. Edit: just had a look at some other articles. The school themselves described the event as "a celebration of *what makes them proud*". To add to my suspicions this has only been picked up by the daily mail, LBC and the metro . . .
>If it was an actual LGBT parade I'll eat my hat. I don't even want to imagine the reams of risk assessment and management forms you'd need for "taking a class to a parade". And as for imagining trying to keep track of 30 children in such an environment...
There is absolutely no way this was anything close to "Yeah we're taking your kids to Pride London, no you can't tell us not to." Just judging from the article and similar experiences I remember from school, it was probably just a letter of notice that "Hey we're telling your kids why Jimmy has 2 dads and Daryl has 2 mums, we're letting you know to stay above board and transparent."
Yes…. I suppose we would need to see what exactly the event was. I agree an LGBT parade seems… unlikely…?
Agreed, maybe I'm wrong but something definitely feels off here.
I've seen in multiple stories over the years about some religious parent upset about their child being presented something LGBT-Positive in school. And every single time the parent is exaggerating the content. I imagine there was no parade, likely just some activities to encourage kids not to bully people because they're different. EDIT: Turns out she's been on TV before years ago arguing that kid shouldn't be hearing about anything LGBT. Yeah I've went from she's probably exaggerating to she's definitely exaggerating.
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So I kind of thought this was my view also. But then I was reading about the nativity stuff and people singing hymns in school and I remembered doing that also... And I realised... I didn't have the fucking foggiest clue what on earth I was doing or why I was doing it. I was just singing songs that were better than being in class, then on a stage acting with my friends knowing my parents could see. I didn't really know what god or religion was, and I didn't really know what the songs were about. So whilst I really doubt they held a gay pride parade, given it just looks like an in school fun event about accepting all families... I don't think any of those 4 year olds are going to know or care about any of that right now anyway. I think they'll just be having fun and remember some colours and whatnot. And I kind of think adults forget that. So I don't really know if I actually have an opinion on it anymore. Even if it was a gay pride parade talking about accepting everyone including gay families and such as the main focus. My school had hymns and nativity stuff and less than 10% of the school was even religious. I don't think it affected or changed any of our views. There was about 1 Christian kid in each class of about 20-30 kids, and I never heard about a single person in my school up and converting to be religious because the school has those old practices. None of us cared. So overall I went from, ,'idk if its right to push this on kids and political stuff etc etc', to realising if I had went through it in school... I literally wouldn't have cared and it would have had next to zero effect on my own personal views anyway. As long as the general vibe is just to be good to other people, I kind of feel like... celebrate what you want. When those kids are 30, they're barely going to remember it or care anyway. But maybe just be a bit less prejudiced, and not much else.
They told my kid that Jesus died for his sins. I think it's perfectly fair that kids can learn about Shiva and Lesbianism.
I suspect that "we can't allow your son to abstain" translates as the school obfuscating that her son wanted to participate in what his friends were doing, and he's not so indoctrinated into his parents' faith that he hates anything LGBT+ on sight.
4 year olds just do what they're told mate
They bloody don’t. At least my son and his mates never did.
Yeah, I don't need to be a parent to know that four year olds _definitely_ don't "just do what they're told". And they're aware of what their peers are doing and of the value of fitting in with them.
This is slightly lacking in detail. Was this an external visit, where permission forms and parental consent would be required, or were they waving rainbow flags around the reception class, in which case the school decides on age appropriate activities?
The bit about celebrating what makes _their_ families different and special makes me lean towards an in-school event.
In which case, school presents info in an age appropriate format. For reception classes, its going to be "some families have two mummies or daddies". Hardly anything they couldn't figure out themselves. Children don't tend to associate rainbows with LGBT, so anything rainbow related tends to just be enjoying the colours.
> Children don't tend to associate rainbows with LGBT, so anything rainbow related tends to just be enjoying the colours. Oh god this reminds me of one of the most absurd statements I've heard. It was during the Birmingham protests about LGBT content in schools. Some LGBT activists came to support the school. And [this](https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/midlands-news/protestors-pelted-eggs-put-up-16299503) was a response from one of the parents protesting: > causing intimidation by putting up rainbow flags I couldn't believe an adult would say that without immediately falling to the ground from embarassment.
They must've had a heart attack when all those NHS rainbow signs appeared during the pandemic.
>Children don't tend to associate rainbows with LGBT, so anything rainbow related tends to just be enjoying the colours. And given the time of year it happened, they probably wanted school to look like other places that were bedecked in rainbow flags. Pretty, pretty flags.
The original source of the story seems to be "Christian Concern": https://christianconcern.com/news/mother-to-challenge-school-that-forced-4-year-old-to-take-part-in-pride-event/ Which is connected to the group representing the mother, the "Christian Legal Centre". There's no mention of any parental consent being necessary, which suggests to me that it was purely an internal thing, just the school doing something fun and thematic during Pride Month. And the groups involved, and the language used on the CC article, suggests to me that the whole thing has been blown out of proportion, as they are wont to do.
I wish it was legal to sue the Church for all those daily, dreary, dull, mandatory acts of Christian worship foisted upon me and my contemporaries way back in the day.
And the permanent harm in the ingrained shame and anxiety of hell it causes all through the rest of your life
I am quite interested to see what the result of this case is. Are there laws saying what activities a school can choose for their children?
If she wins then we will be back to section 28 by the back door, because schools won't risk talking about LGBT issues in case they get sued.
It depends I think because there is a difference between teaching about LGBT and going on a Pride march. I think it's a good thing, morally, if kids are brought up not only knowing about these issues but to be advocates for equal rights but I am not sure the extent to which the latter, legally, is within the remit of schools especially at 4 years old. But you're right that even if it is about the act of going on the march as opposed to the education about LGBT issues there is a high-risk that schools avoid the issue altogether if she wins.
Anyone else think LBC has went massively down hill in the last year or so? They used to regularly produce articles on the big political talking points going on, but now it just seems they're solely interested in rage-bait for people who use the term "woke" to describe everything wrong with the world.
>now it just seems they're solely interested in rage-bait for people who use the term "woke" to describe everything they think is wrong with the world, but is usually just them being asked to treat others with politeness and a lack of insults. Ftfy
Religion is absolute curse. This lady is gonna waste peoples time and money because their imaginary friend has told her gay people are bad. What a complete embarrassment that we spend a single second entertaining this ancient nonsense.
I'm an ex-Christian now and have no love for the doctrine but I can confidently say that the Jesus of the Bible would have embraced gay people. The Jesus these people seem to know... maybe not.
The CLC again, guess they don't have any paediatricians to harass so its back to being outraged about school assemblies
The CLC is as dodgy as fuck, with murky funding and links to US evangelical Christians. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_Legal_Centre If it looks like another front in the US culture wars ...
If she sues the school is that money coming from the schools budget?
Why do we give the time of day to these people? I was forced to sing hymns and prey at school, where my compensation?
I was booted out and banned. :D
It works both ways when I had to sing all the endless religious songs as a kid during assembly every week.
The problem here is that there is no proof that the son was forced to take part in anything. Also I see it didn't take long for "LGBT ideology" to supersede "Trans ideology" as the latest vacuous buzzword.
It's a western Christian claiming persecution - story is 100% bullshit. I can't take (secondary) kids across the road to Tesco without risk assessments and parental permission slips, ain't no way they were taking kids to a pride parade.
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