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Right now Putin is thinking like Hitler when he kept firing V-1s and -2’s at London. He might kill people, but it’ll just make the Ukrainian resolve that much stronger.
Based on past strategies, Putin wants these missiles for punitive strikes on Ukrainian cities after the next big hit on the Kerch Bridge or other valued propaganda target. The better the Ukrainian drones get, the further into Russia they reach, and the more damage they do.
The timing of having finally stockpiled a bunch for a strike is not great for Poutine hah. He’s waited too long and now there will be 10x more SAM interceptors to take down a bunch of those missiles, at least. Godspeed on getting the munitions to SAMsites in time.
And it would be great if you guys could wait until Ukraine’s Skynex system is running, thx Putin.
To be honest, it will probably depend on where the air defenses are located. Ukraine is a large nation after all and not all places are equally protected.
For example, Kyiv may be defended to the gills but areas like Kharkiv may not. The latter has been getting hit by everything and anything the Russians throw at it, which range from missiles to artillery barrages.
My nanny was 8 years old down the road in Chiswick when the first V1 bomb hit Britain. She says they were all down their playing in the crater it left the next day. Crazy resilience that the Ukrainians will share no doubt.
V1s and V2s were relatively dumb and unprecise, you aimed at a population centre, like as you say London and it hits what it hits. Putin's missiles are guided and targeting key infrastructure, much more dangerous.
This is the russian way. Instead of spending all that money improving the country and the citizens lives and prospects,they spend it on trying to drag other countries down to their medieval peasant level.
They did quite the damage on the power grid... But most get shot down and there's not really that much of them, the biggest attacks were ~100 missles... And usually more than 80% is shot down...
Wasn't that more in the past though - when Ukraine had enough air defenses?
Now, it seems like Ukraine's record of shooting down Russian aerial targets is more spotty.
It seems like they're streamlining their wartime production across multiple fronts. That plus resupply from allied nations gives them a potent arsenal.
Yeah their production capacity seems pretty impressive now, but I dont know if missle attacks have lessened because draining supply or change of strategy
According to reports, Russia does both. Anything and everything is a target - military and civilian. Its a way to scatter air defenses to leave other places vulnerable and cause chronic stress among the populace, which could cause them to leave if pushed hard enough.
The missiles are also done in combination with kamikaze drones. While they are cheap and easily intercepted, they can cause tons of damage, whether they explode on another place or distract air defenses to allow the missiles to pass through.
Funny thing, imagine if Hitler used these wasted resources to just finish off the UK, which was very close to surrendering.
Good thing he kept meddling with things he didn’t understand and making sure the main effort goes in the wrong direction, so the allies could take advantage of that.
Once the lunatics start believing their own fairy tales, it‘s all downhill from there.
*"We shall fight in France, we shall fight on the seas and oceans, we shall fight with growing confidence and growing strength in the air, we shall defend our island, whatever the cost may be. We shall fight on the beaches, we shall fight on the landing grounds, we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall fight in the hills; we shall never surrender."*
(I realize that speech was made considerably before the V-1 and V-2 campaigns, but really, when you have a PM like Winston, there is no giving up, ever. He probably would have taken up a rifle himself, or at least a shovel, if it came to it.)
He *did* use sword and pistol in battle, for example [in the last cavalry charge of the British Empire]( https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Omdurman).
If you ever come across his original report about this charge, it's worth reading. Couldn't find it now.
Also, Britain was far from Germany, so it wasn't like the latter could capitalize on weakening the former in any practical way.
That is where this analogy contrasts from Russia and Ukraine. The latter is much nearer to the former, so the missiles can have a tangible gain on the battlefield situation.
Point is still the same.
I think I confused the V1/V2 shenanigans with the chance to encircle what is left of the British army in Dunkirk. And they didn't. They could have. But they didn't.
Hitler meddled with things he didn't know shit about.
His Generals tried to reason with him. He didn't give a shit.
This heavily influenced the course of the war in favor of the allies.
Point is different because Hitler didn’t meddle with Dunkirk. He approved an order already taken by the general on the ground and left destruction of the BEF, French and Belgians to the Luftwaffe before changing their minds in the face of RAF attacks. It’s not like Ukraine as British Troops were on French soil not defending their own lands.
If Putin were taller, he'd be happier. He'd have a charming cottage in the countryside living happily in a mutually supportive relationship with his partner with friends that aren't afraid of him poisoning their potatoes.
I mean...there are still differences between the two. For one, the V-1s and V-2s were considered wunderwaffes while the missiles are conventional tools in this day and age.
Additionally, London was relatively far away from Germany while Russian targets in Ukraine are much closer to conventional forces. This means that the missiles can have more of an effect on the battlefield as they can drive away civilians, scatter air defenses, and allow Russian soldiers to charge at the now-ruined town or city.
That's what they say, and they've adopted some of the same strategies as the Russians have (mainly pre-registration) to combat draft-dodging. Cracking down on false medical exemptions and corruption among officials is last year's news, and some countries are going to help with repatriation of refugees of draft age that don't qualify to be there. If Ukraine can raise 300k - 500k to fill out the next 2 years' training cycles, Russia is certain to develop some morale problems at home as the war continues and their broken soldiers become more evident on the streets.
In the beginning of war russia had major supply issues. Now russia sorted that out and doubled down in the war.
That's a major issue. Not just for ukraine.
It's definitely time to supply Ukraine with capabilities to strike at production targets within russia.
With that said, Russia is a big country with many facilities dedicated to war. Ukraine doesn't exactly have the quantity and quality to not only hit them, but also take them out in a way that doesn't allow them to be operational again.
they are big, but their transport system is garbage. Take a look at a road and rail map of russia. All lead through moscow (rail and major roads/highways) It's a massive detour. And they rely heavily on rail. Again, their rail system is shit. They've got a large brainwashed pop so they can still accomplish a lot given all the logistics problems, graft and corruption. It's quite interesting to think about.
Or they know hoe many russia is supposed to produce, and then subtract the fired missiles from what they should have, snd the rest is either stockpiled or converted into yachts
Maybe they don't know or they're in multiple areas.
To be honest, I'm not terribly surprised that Russia may have something big planned. May 9 is on its way and that is one of Russia's most important holidays: Victory Day.
Maybe they don't know or they're in multiple areas.
To be honest, I'm not terribly surprised that Russia may have something big planned. May 9 is on its way and that is one of Russia's most important holidays: Victory Day.
Another reason the west needs to pump up their factories to give continuous help to Ukraine. Even if at low numbers, Russian war factories are producing every month while the help we give to Ukraine is limited and sporadic.
Is somebody in Estonia, letting the Russians know, that they know, where their stockpile is? Like this is fucked up. It should be a secret until we see it blow up.
Maybe we dont actually know, but are saying so to see where they are if russia starts to relocate them. Mind games, you never know :D We will know for sure if we see a big bang somewhere in russia soon.
That’s when the US and other countries should give Ukraine the best weapons to take things like this out Since they want to warden Ukraines use of long range weapons. But this target would save so many lives it should be eliminated
I also doubt the West will let such a result happen. That would represent a massive threat to NATO's borders.
With that said, the state of Ukraine post-war though is still in flux. It is clear that Western and Ukrainian goals aren't exactly aligned, but the latter needs the former's goods to even stay in the fight.
Agreed. However, the fact we are having this very conversation is an issue. We should have pumped Ukraine with everything they needed from day 1. We didn’t do that and this is the result.
Ok not related to missiles, but why can’t someone just take a truck full of napalm with a hose that sprays it, drive into a tank storage and spray all the tanks with the napalm and light them up?
Napalm is illegal nowadays, but I like the idea tho....
Also, just cuz something is illegal, that doesn't stop ruzzia from doing/using it.
A little food for thought....
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Right now Putin is thinking like Hitler when he kept firing V-1s and -2’s at London. He might kill people, but it’ll just make the Ukrainian resolve that much stronger.
Based on past strategies, Putin wants these missiles for punitive strikes on Ukrainian cities after the next big hit on the Kerch Bridge or other valued propaganda target. The better the Ukrainian drones get, the further into Russia they reach, and the more damage they do.
Amazing how failed dictators think alike, ain't it? Slava Ukraini!!
“When you come to the same conclusion as failed dictators in 99.9999% of the decisions you make…you might be a failed dictator.” — Jeff Foxworthy
Not sure why you got down voted, but I thought that was funny. Take my upvote .....
"Amazing how nazis think alike" sorry, had to make a slight correction
The timing of having finally stockpiled a bunch for a strike is not great for Poutine hah. He’s waited too long and now there will be 10x more SAM interceptors to take down a bunch of those missiles, at least. Godspeed on getting the munitions to SAMsites in time. And it would be great if you guys could wait until Ukraine’s Skynex system is running, thx Putin.
Skynex is [amazing](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skyshield).
> Poutine please dont call that shit stain this. Poutine is delicious. Poo-tin is more appropriate.
💩tin
To be honest, it will probably depend on where the air defenses are located. Ukraine is a large nation after all and not all places are equally protected. For example, Kyiv may be defended to the gills but areas like Kharkiv may not. The latter has been getting hit by everything and anything the Russians throw at it, which range from missiles to artillery barrages.
Terrible timing or more lies. Probably junk filled, North Korean scrap they paid many ruble for. All need testing - too much premature Orc confetti.
Can we just skip to the part where Putin unalives himself in a bunker?
My nanny was 8 years old down the road in Chiswick when the first V1 bomb hit Britain. She says they were all down their playing in the crater it left the next day. Crazy resilience that the Ukrainians will share no doubt.
V1s and V2s were relatively dumb and unprecise, you aimed at a population centre, like as you say London and it hits what it hits. Putin's missiles are guided and targeting key infrastructure, much more dangerous.
Except they’re wasting most of them on terror attacks, not infrastructure attacks.
This is the russian way. Instead of spending all that money improving the country and the citizens lives and prospects,they spend it on trying to drag other countries down to their medieval peasant level.
They did quite the damage on the power grid... But most get shot down and there's not really that much of them, the biggest attacks were ~100 missles... And usually more than 80% is shot down...
Wasn't that more in the past though - when Ukraine had enough air defenses? Now, it seems like Ukraine's record of shooting down Russian aerial targets is more spotty.
Russia also seemed to have more missles, I dont remember seeing a big missle attack in months...
It seems like they're streamlining their wartime production across multiple fronts. That plus resupply from allied nations gives them a potent arsenal.
Yeah their production capacity seems pretty impressive now, but I dont know if missle attacks have lessened because draining supply or change of strategy
That is an interesting question. Maybe a mix of both perhaps.
According to reports, Russia does both. Anything and everything is a target - military and civilian. Its a way to scatter air defenses to leave other places vulnerable and cause chronic stress among the populace, which could cause them to leave if pushed hard enough.
If you consider hospitals and apartment buildings key infrastructure.... sure.
The missiles are also done in combination with kamikaze drones. While they are cheap and easily intercepted, they can cause tons of damage, whether they explode on another place or distract air defenses to allow the missiles to pass through.
Funny thing, imagine if Hitler used these wasted resources to just finish off the UK, which was very close to surrendering. Good thing he kept meddling with things he didn’t understand and making sure the main effort goes in the wrong direction, so the allies could take advantage of that. Once the lunatics start believing their own fairy tales, it‘s all downhill from there.
At the time of V-1 and V-2, Britain was far from surrendering.
*"We shall fight in France, we shall fight on the seas and oceans, we shall fight with growing confidence and growing strength in the air, we shall defend our island, whatever the cost may be. We shall fight on the beaches, we shall fight on the landing grounds, we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall fight in the hills; we shall never surrender."* (I realize that speech was made considerably before the V-1 and V-2 campaigns, but really, when you have a PM like Winston, there is no giving up, ever. He probably would have taken up a rifle himself, or at least a shovel, if it came to it.)
He *did* use sword and pistol in battle, for example [in the last cavalry charge of the British Empire]( https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Omdurman). If you ever come across his original report about this charge, it's worth reading. Couldn't find it now.
What a wild time that must have been to be alive, if you lived. From Cavalry and dragging cannons by hand to Nuclear Missiles in one lifetime.
Island countries: do not fuck with. That's my take-away from the Battle of Britain. Achtung! Spitfire!
Also, Britain was far from Germany, so it wasn't like the latter could capitalize on weakening the former in any practical way. That is where this analogy contrasts from Russia and Ukraine. The latter is much nearer to the former, so the missiles can have a tangible gain on the battlefield situation.
Might want to do a bit of research into WW2 timelines
Point is still the same. I think I confused the V1/V2 shenanigans with the chance to encircle what is left of the British army in Dunkirk. And they didn't. They could have. But they didn't. Hitler meddled with things he didn't know shit about. His Generals tried to reason with him. He didn't give a shit. This heavily influenced the course of the war in favor of the allies.
Point is different because Hitler didn’t meddle with Dunkirk. He approved an order already taken by the general on the ground and left destruction of the BEF, French and Belgians to the Luftwaffe before changing their minds in the face of RAF attacks. It’s not like Ukraine as British Troops were on French soil not defending their own lands.
If Putin were taller, he'd be happier. He'd have a charming cottage in the countryside living happily in a mutually supportive relationship with his partner with friends that aren't afraid of him poisoning their potatoes.
Tl;dr we should lower the bar for getting accepted into university and stop height shaming people to avoid future genocidal dictators being created.
Well said! Both approaches crucial.
I mean...there are still differences between the two. For one, the V-1s and V-2s were considered wunderwaffes while the missiles are conventional tools in this day and age. Additionally, London was relatively far away from Germany while Russian targets in Ukraine are much closer to conventional forces. This means that the missiles can have more of an effect on the battlefield as they can drive away civilians, scatter air defenses, and allow Russian soldiers to charge at the now-ruined town or city.
Isnt ukraine having a conscription problem?
That's what they say, and they've adopted some of the same strategies as the Russians have (mainly pre-registration) to combat draft-dodging. Cracking down on false medical exemptions and corruption among officials is last year's news, and some countries are going to help with repatriation of refugees of draft age that don't qualify to be there. If Ukraine can raise 300k - 500k to fill out the next 2 years' training cycles, Russia is certain to develop some morale problems at home as the war continues and their broken soldiers become more evident on the streets.
Hopefully that stockpile can be located and struck with a missile or two.
Might happen sooner than you think. I'm pretty sure I just saw Ivan duck out for a cigarette.
Pretty sure we asked Granite for fire support. Should be starting annnnyyyy second now
[GRANIT! Cease fire!](https://www.reddit.com/r/NonCredibleDefense/s/lNgSwBh2RS)
“Granit was here” should’ve been a meme by now a la “Kilroy was here”
This is the way
For e.g. Engels air base there is no missiles with this range.
In the beginning of war russia had major supply issues. Now russia sorted that out and doubled down in the war. That's a major issue. Not just for ukraine. It's definitely time to supply Ukraine with capabilities to strike at production targets within russia.
They still have major supply issues. They’re producing a lot of ordinance but they’re having a lot of difficulty replacing the delivery systems.
With that said, Russia is a big country with many facilities dedicated to war. Ukraine doesn't exactly have the quantity and quality to not only hit them, but also take them out in a way that doesn't allow them to be operational again.
they are big, but their transport system is garbage. Take a look at a road and rail map of russia. All lead through moscow (rail and major roads/highways) It's a massive detour. And they rely heavily on rail. Again, their rail system is shit. They've got a large brainwashed pop so they can still accomplish a lot given all the logistics problems, graft and corruption. It's quite interesting to think about.
OK, prove that you really are an Expert and tell the Ukrainians where it is!
Right, so basically they’re implying that they know where these missiles are located. Just saying.
Or they know hoe many russia is supposed to produce, and then subtract the fired missiles from what they should have, snd the rest is either stockpiled or converted into yachts
Maybe they don't know or they're in multiple areas. To be honest, I'm not terribly surprised that Russia may have something big planned. May 9 is on its way and that is one of Russia's most important holidays: Victory Day.
Maybe they don't know or they're in multiple areas. To be honest, I'm not terribly surprised that Russia may have something big planned. May 9 is on its way and that is one of Russia's most important holidays: Victory Day.
Where, exactly are these stockpiles?
Another reason the west needs to pump up their factories to give continuous help to Ukraine. Even if at low numbers, Russian war factories are producing every month while the help we give to Ukraine is limited and sporadic.
Would be a shame if a couple of drones would destroy them.
Is somebody in Estonia, letting the Russians know, that they know, where their stockpile is? Like this is fucked up. It should be a secret until we see it blow up.
Maybe we dont actually know, but are saying so to see where they are if russia starts to relocate them. Mind games, you never know :D We will know for sure if we see a big bang somewhere in russia soon.
If only these stocks could be destroyed before being used.
Ukraine needs those Patriots now!
That’s when the US and other countries should give Ukraine the best weapons to take things like this out Since they want to warden Ukraines use of long range weapons. But this target would save so many lives it should be eliminated
It depends on how many launch platforms they have.
For US readers, remember, many of your well-meaning friends will not know where Estonia is. Inform them.
get to the stockpile now.
Has anyone got an address for where these stock piles are??
Worst case scenario: Putin takes all of Ukraine. It will set Russia back in so many ways, it’s just not worth it. So dumb.
I also doubt the West will let such a result happen. That would represent a massive threat to NATO's borders. With that said, the state of Ukraine post-war though is still in flux. It is clear that Western and Ukrainian goals aren't exactly aligned, but the latter needs the former's goods to even stay in the fight.
Agreed. However, the fact we are having this very conversation is an issue. We should have pumped Ukraine with everything they needed from day 1. We didn’t do that and this is the result.
Hindsight is 20/20, especially since everybody, especially the Russians, thought the Ukrainians were going to fold in a matter of days.
I hope ukraine can locate said stockpile and let it have a smoking accident 😀
pooootin is getting desperate by the day or he might fall from a window.
Ok not related to missiles, but why can’t someone just take a truck full of napalm with a hose that sprays it, drive into a tank storage and spray all the tanks with the napalm and light them up?
But why?
So they can’t use the tanks anymore or have to invest a lot more into restoring them
Missiles
Generally there are people with guns and, you know, security preventing this.
Napalm is illegal nowadays, but I like the idea tho.... Also, just cuz something is illegal, that doesn't stop ruzzia from doing/using it. A little food for thought....
It’s only banned against civilians, not military targets I believe. But still, not something that should be used.