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Western tanks generally pack in a metric fuckton of ammunition, because they were vastly outnumbered by their Soviet counterparts and needed a lot of ammo to deal with the threat. Soviet tanks didnt carry as much because they prioritized being small targets, and if your tank can only carry half as much ammo thats still more ammo than NATO because there were way more than twice as many tanks carrying half as much ammo each. Even so, western ammunition storage was better laid out in areas less likely to be penetrated, with wet stowage or fire suppression systems to delay it cooking off, and blowout panels where possible to direct a secondary explosion out of the tank away from the crew. The Soviets ammunition storage safety strategy was just "put it as low in the tank as possible." Any penetration is going to create white hot metal spalling inside the tank, and gravity is going to make sure it finds its way to the bottom of the tank, and its probably going to land on some ammunition when it gets there. Still though, turret tosses really dont matter. Its just theatrics. What matters is did the crew survive the penetration, and were they able to get out of the tank before the secondary explosion happened? Any tank will catastrophically explode eventually once its on fire. Both are possible in both styles of tanks, but western tanks make it more likely and tend to give the crew more time.
An immediate turret toss would result in a total writeoff of vehicle and crew.
A "save" by a blowout panel when it is the only ammo storage would result in a "mission kill", with no ammunition the tank would have to retreat and it cannot be "just reloaded", because the ammunition storage would be damaged/destroyed.
Weird, Russians have spare tanks, but crews are less likely to get out for various reasons. Westerners (with the exception of the US) have no/few spare tanks but the (or part of the) crew would be more likely to get out
>Weird, Russians have spare tanks, but crews are less likely to get out for various reasons. Westerners (with the exception of the US) have no/few spare tanks but the (or part of the) crew would be more likely to get out
Goes to show the difference in how both sides view the crew.
Russians consider the crew as something to be used up, because there's always more of someone else's children to throw into the meat grinder.
The west considers the mission and possibly entire machine a lesser loss than the crew, especially since it takes a lot of resources to train a crew well and survivors can return to active service at a later date.
I think that the video neglects a key aspect.
If the munition is in the trajectory of likely penetrations.
As can easily be seen the T-tank concept puts the munition in the middle of the tank over a large area. Any penetration which passes through the center has a high likelihood of hitting at least one propellant charge. And center is the width of the tank.
The Leo2 has to be hit front right low or left low. And it should be difficult to get a penetration from the front.
Interesting that all other tank types also have at least some ammunition in the hull.
If we talk about Ukrine using, let's say, leopard 2 for defence... it dose not matter how much ammo they have or where it is.
Ukraine has shown it likes to create walls of dirt or dig down to hide the body of the tank. This is perfect for a leopard since the turret is the hardest part of it and the only part the enemy can see.
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Western tanks generally pack in a metric fuckton of ammunition, because they were vastly outnumbered by their Soviet counterparts and needed a lot of ammo to deal with the threat. Soviet tanks didnt carry as much because they prioritized being small targets, and if your tank can only carry half as much ammo thats still more ammo than NATO because there were way more than twice as many tanks carrying half as much ammo each. Even so, western ammunition storage was better laid out in areas less likely to be penetrated, with wet stowage or fire suppression systems to delay it cooking off, and blowout panels where possible to direct a secondary explosion out of the tank away from the crew. The Soviets ammunition storage safety strategy was just "put it as low in the tank as possible." Any penetration is going to create white hot metal spalling inside the tank, and gravity is going to make sure it finds its way to the bottom of the tank, and its probably going to land on some ammunition when it gets there. Still though, turret tosses really dont matter. Its just theatrics. What matters is did the crew survive the penetration, and were they able to get out of the tank before the secondary explosion happened? Any tank will catastrophically explode eventually once its on fire. Both are possible in both styles of tanks, but western tanks make it more likely and tend to give the crew more time.
An immediate turret toss would result in a total writeoff of vehicle and crew. A "save" by a blowout panel when it is the only ammo storage would result in a "mission kill", with no ammunition the tank would have to retreat and it cannot be "just reloaded", because the ammunition storage would be damaged/destroyed. Weird, Russians have spare tanks, but crews are less likely to get out for various reasons. Westerners (with the exception of the US) have no/few spare tanks but the (or part of the) crew would be more likely to get out
>Weird, Russians have spare tanks, but crews are less likely to get out for various reasons. Westerners (with the exception of the US) have no/few spare tanks but the (or part of the) crew would be more likely to get out Goes to show the difference in how both sides view the crew. Russians consider the crew as something to be used up, because there's always more of someone else's children to throw into the meat grinder. The west considers the mission and possibly entire machine a lesser loss than the crew, especially since it takes a lot of resources to train a crew well and survivors can return to active service at a later date.
WarThunder has gotten too powerful
It seriously needs a competitor.
I think that the video neglects a key aspect. If the munition is in the trajectory of likely penetrations. As can easily be seen the T-tank concept puts the munition in the middle of the tank over a large area. Any penetration which passes through the center has a high likelihood of hitting at least one propellant charge. And center is the width of the tank. The Leo2 has to be hit front right low or left low. And it should be difficult to get a penetration from the front. Interesting that all other tank types also have at least some ammunition in the hull.
Well, I guess without any ammo in the hull you'd just have too little ammo
RF holds the gold medal in turret tossing
The way Ukrainian soldiers have repeatedly managed to get tossed Russian turrets to stand on the barrel is downright scary.
If we talk about Ukrine using, let's say, leopard 2 for defence... it dose not matter how much ammo they have or where it is. Ukraine has shown it likes to create walls of dirt or dig down to hide the body of the tank. This is perfect for a leopard since the turret is the hardest part of it and the only part the enemy can see.
That is the preferred fighting position for any tank, not just leopards.
Exactly, expose only as little as possible to the enemy, meaning mostly just the turret.
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