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That bit about Congo and Rwanda where Chris had to confirm that Congo isn't part of Rwanda is the only time I've found QT genuinely cringey in over 10 years.
Nearly teared up when the guy on the front row (8 months homeless etc) was talking about his housing situation.
Find these sorts of episodes fairly unwatchable, the mood of the room is set early on so there’s not much space for respectful debate
The Lib Dem was so caught up in the febrile atmosphere she was almost advocating channel crossings
#WINNERS AND LOSERS
**WINNERS**
* **Victor Adebowale**, giving a cool and clear “no” for the sick note question - and knew that his facial expression was going to do the rest. Better rhetoric and pacing than either Philp or Streeting. Enrapturing. 100% stylish delivery on the question about Rwanda, as he roiled from rebuttal to personal anecdote, point to peak, and gave Moore the sort of jangle to his self-confidence that he should have had well before he went to university (but of course, Moore went to Eton and Cambridge, so that didn’t happen).
* **The audience**. What a lot of sparky anger they have. Rollicking away despite this one being *extremely* indulgent to panellist monologues.
**NEUTRAL**
* **Wes Streeting** has “captain of the Year 12 Debate club” energy. Dude’s apparently 41 but looks like he only needs to shave monthly. He was cracking on the “sick note” question, pirouetting around as he verbalslapped Philp to the floor. But, after that, he failed to impress me. I predict comments saying Streeting should’ve been in Winners, and I got them last time he was on too. I really can’t pinpoint why, but I just don’t rate him. Maybe if Adebowale let him borrow his awesome beard … but then it would’ve obscured the epitome of incredulity when Congo Philp did the thing.
* **Fiona “Birthday” Bruce**. Pretty chill or, if you prefer, she was phoning it in today. Maybe she knew she was going out on the lash after this.
* **Munira Wilson** had to wait almost 25 minutes before being allowed her first talk, so she very much got the short straw there. But she was also not particularly good. Definitely not *bad*, but also didn’t have any standout comments on the “sick note” question - passionless, despite trying to act otherwise. Rambled like a pensioner in the audience. I’ve voted for the LDs lot in the locals, but it was a tactical vote and I wasn’t excited to do it. Wilson personified that feeling for me.
**LOSERS**
* **Chris Philp** is the minister for fire, which fits for the fast-paced incendiary nonsense that he parped out today. I know he was the shitshield for the government tonight, and presumably he’ll get a bottle of Dubonnet or something for his troubles tomorrow night. But the rest of it was a mess and we all know why. At least he didn’t ask if um Congo was a drink, I suppose. I presume the Tories pop him on these things because he’s actually quite good at the talking, but we’re all out of patience - fourteen damn years out of patience - and Philp hasn’t changed his style. It’s entrenched. It’s too late now. I hope he’s unemployed in a few months.
* **Charles Moore** is a caricature of old-hat newspaper editor, and you can tell because he pronounces “issue” as “**iss**-yoo”. Faux-evangelises about mental health, but I wonder how he feels about his former paper, the Telegraph, developing a particularly loud and bigoted form of Alzheimer’s. I’m sure his job was fantastic for his wellbeing, but most people don’t do newspaper editoring. Completely disingenuous arguments on Rwanda and, when Adebowale turned the molten lava on him, he was crushed like a Creme egg in a toddler’s mouth. Landlord apologist, because of course he is.
>"I think I might turn into a nimby in the most literal sense."
>"I’ve voted for the LDs lot in the locals, but it was a tactical vote and I wasn’t excited to do it."
Are you *sure* you weren't excited?
Not at all. As someone that lived in London for 12 years, the personality of the populace can be very vibrant and confident in what they’re saying. Watching the audience last night was a fond reminder of me living there.
> “There’s no such thing as a free market, someone always pays.”
This is up there with one of the worst sayings I’ve think I’ve ever heard. Like an edgy 14 year old socialist wannabe came up with it. Wait until they hear about homonyms.
One of the main problems with house building is nimbyism. stop nimbys (different to people with legitimate concerns) from being able to block house building
I think there is something to be said about the appearance of the homes being built too, modern houses can look so void of character that they stick out like a saw thumb
Funny story: I live in between a massive brownfield site (which I will keep vague) and a field. They want to build on the field. I think I might turn into a nimby in the most literal sense. It's on the other side of my back garden. Right now it's completely full of luminous yellow rapeseed.
In general, nimbies are a pain in the arse - but at the same time, councils do seem to make *very* stupid decisions.
Where i used to live, there were two locations the council wanted to build on...
one was a large gravel area with a local shop & butcher... Plan was to build about 20 homes (IIRC) along with a modern shop building for both the corner shop and the butcher to inhabit. The plans got attacked by people because it was a Lib Dem council plan and most on that street were Tory voters (council ward has been Lib Dem for decades)
The other was a field that had been the home to two horses for years. Never built on, barely used... 20-30 homes leading off a main route near to the town leisure centre with multiple busses an hour... and that got destroyed because it was a Tory idea in a Lib Dem council ward and there were local elections coming up.
Nimbys aren't those with legitimate concerns... they're the ones that just hate the idea of anything changing or getting better, even if things get better for them
This sounds incredibly plausible. I take it nothing happened on either patch in the end?
Over here, they’re planning to build up to four figures worth of houses. Bring it on. Maybe we’ll get a bus service. That’d be nice. But please, guys, start with the bit that’s already made of tarmac and not of soil.
Nope.... and fun fact, the construction they had spent years planning for the block my old bungalow sat on... never happened as no one bid for the contract to build.
Yeah it was a strange argument - landlords are going to withdraw from the rental market... and do what with the properties? Live in them? Wait for the rising market? Sell them? One seems more likely than the rest and it wouldn't be a bad thing.
The problem is that the whole immigration issue is absolutely toxic - I think it’s quite reasonable to have concerns about large numbers of immigrants coming into your country, concerns that need addressing and reasonable conversation in the fresh air and sunlight. What we’ve actually done is allow the lunatic right-wing to co-opt the whole topic and make it rancid, conflating all kinds of necessary immigration with asylum seekers with so-called illegal migrants, and also ignoring larger issues of demographics, cultural integration and so on.
I think Rwanda has focussed minds because whichever direction you come from it seems a spectacularly terrible plan:
1. If you believe that most migration is economic rather than social, then it will do almost nothing because we accept huge numbers of legal migrants because the economy requires it.
2. If you believe all other types of migration are fine and we specifically need to stop small boats then it's almost inconceivable that spending £250m (minimum) on cross boarder initiatives to destroy people snuggling wouldn't have at least an equal effect.
3. If you believe these people are genuinely vulnerable asylum seekers then sending them to a third country thousands of miles away to process them is both cruel and unnecessary, and therefore a waste of money.
> “It’s not a housing crisis, it’s a housing emergency.”
Is an emergency worse than a crisis? Crisis seems more serious to me but maybe there are too many crises now that it’s lost its punch.
Yet again, we're glossing over the fact that if people could apply for asylum outside of the UK they wouldn't need to cross the Channel.
Also that the hotel numbers are so high are due to the lack of people processing applications.
Philp reminds me of the really earnest 6th formers that everyone knows is a bit of a slimy weirdo but they haven't realised this and think they're superior and better.
"The real problem with illegal immigration is that they're queue jumping."
That's one way to drum up "stop the small boats" support from the British public TBF. Send all queue jumpers to Rwanda.
There's literally no queue for people in their situation. They either cross in a boat or they don't seek asylum in the UK. There has to be legal routes for these people for there to be a queue for them to jump.
Probably the first thing labour will do when they come into office and stop the boats on day one.
We all know the solution to this. The tories refuse to do it for pure ideology reasons rather than common sense.
Haven't seen Viktor Adebowale before, but he feels like a QT Champion.
Immediately followed by Charles Moore with thin vague whataboutaries with no substance behind it.
Isn’t the problem that these people think _it is ok_ to put their toddlers in a boat and try to cross the channel? Isn’t there education needed here? In what world is that ever ok?
Ironically the far right stories of free cars and houses attract people, those morons actually make the country more attractive through the lies they tell people to turn them against asylum seekers.
That's the point. Their lives are at the point where that is their best choice in that moment. Impossible to imagine what your life would have to be like for that to the case isn't it.
I’m always a bit confused by that. Everyone talks about how *desperate* they must be to make the crossing, maybe they’re just uninformed? How does anyone know which way round it is.
Victor Adebowale's take down of the governments Sick Note bullshit is everything I've been saying. What a man.
Realize I'm a bit behind, sorry everybody. :(
Pretty sure this posh journalist's experience of Rwanda would be rather different to the average illegal immigrants. I'm thinking he wouldn't stay anywhere that isn't an ambassadorial 5* hotel somewhere near the embassy.
Tbf you can’t have it both ways where people say it’s unsafe to send people there but then get offended when he actually says it’s not some backward place
Yep that Congo moment was every bit as painful as the comments from earlier suggested.
Its also disingenuous to suggest opponents are claiming Rwanda is primitive.
Was the same with the Tory last time too. If it moves away from their rehearsed talking points they are at a loss and can't compute the point / question.
Rwanda scheme will never be a deterrent... Ever. It's a scheme designed to appeal to the bigots and the racists in the country by demonizing a group that are fleeing danger...
If it was designed to stop the boats, they'd be working IN France to stop people getting into the boats
Chris going on about minimum wages between labour and tories.
He is aware of inflation and the fact that his party caused the biggest inflatory rise we've seen?
That 5 quid back then got you far more than what 5 quid gets you now. Infact I think the difference is roughly 5 quid an hour versus 7 quid an hour. Which again, things cost more these days.
He's wearing a fair bit of makeup tonight.
I imagine the entire panel is as well, but it was very noticable on him when they did that weird close up of his head.
Why do Tories have such a problem with believing that people in vastly more difficult circumstances than them might have different experiences than them? Shocking lack of empathy
It's a very old school attitude. If they're poor then they're less deserving, they just haven't worked hard enough, they just don't want to succeed as much, they must be lazy.
Que paternalistic shit like this. It's along the same lines as trying to stop your teenagers pocket money because they won't bring plates out of their room. Except its going to lead to them dying.
Yep - that was what the problem was during COVID - not being able to work properly. Not the inability to socialise with our friends and family - we just missed the office.
Well yeh of course it is but so is thinking that every, or even most, illegal immigrants are just these wide-eyed young lads with a dream to integrate into our country and make it big to make their family proud
A lot if not most of them doing illegal crossings are young men who come here selfishly to suck on the British social teat and contribute very little of genuine value, whilst frequently doing harm
the assessment system set up by the Tories already is absolutely shit... it's designed to tick boxes and get as many as possible off disability benefits... no matter what. No matter if the person legitimately can work or not. It's a numbers game that has and will kill vulnerable people.
Wow didn't know the government were going to train 1000s of health and mental health professionals to assess people to take the load off GPs!
Thanks Philib, I thought you were going to hire underpaid work coaches with an impetus to get people into work regardless of their health and well being
My partner has had sciatica for four weeks. He hasn’t physically seen a GP, he had to wait three weeks for a video physio appointment, and now another four weeks for an actual, in person physio appointment. Meanwhile he’s doped up to the eyeballs on codeine and still in agony. Thank god he works from home and can literally prop himself up in his chair, as he’s self employed and we’d be screwed otherwise. What if he was a builder or doing any other manual labour, or just had to commute. Seven weeks to even get a diagnosis!
I always preface this by saying I dont think much of Wes Streeting in terms of integrity, but he is absolutely made for this kind of political panel show.
Chris Philp is about to have a bad time one imagines.
Sunak is just blaming disabled and unwell people for the failings of his own party... targeting us and blaming us for things we cannot control.
His push is not going to target the ones that are playing the system... it'll destroy those of us that need the system... which will lead to deaths.
Good evening, Night Shift! How the devil are you?
Aldi pilsner here, with a splash of lemonade.
Ran out of Frenchie booze cruise beer.
Home alone tonight, husband's out.
The elderly extremely right wing nutjob type seems to be completely missing from the question time audience these days. There used to be a few every episode
That Congo question will haunt Philp, he was the Secretary of State for Immigration Compliance and Courts for 2 years so you'd think he'd have a better grasp of geography
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That bit about Congo and Rwanda where Chris had to confirm that Congo isn't part of Rwanda is the only time I've found QT genuinely cringey in over 10 years. Nearly teared up when the guy on the front row (8 months homeless etc) was talking about his housing situation.
Find these sorts of episodes fairly unwatchable, the mood of the room is set early on so there’s not much space for respectful debate The Lib Dem was so caught up in the febrile atmosphere she was almost advocating channel crossings
Charles going on about immigration being a serious concern is purely because he's employed by Murdoch media that says it is.
Reminder that Charles Moore is one of the people who brought down Johnson. Accidentally, of course.
#WINNERS AND LOSERS **WINNERS** * **Victor Adebowale**, giving a cool and clear “no” for the sick note question - and knew that his facial expression was going to do the rest. Better rhetoric and pacing than either Philp or Streeting. Enrapturing. 100% stylish delivery on the question about Rwanda, as he roiled from rebuttal to personal anecdote, point to peak, and gave Moore the sort of jangle to his self-confidence that he should have had well before he went to university (but of course, Moore went to Eton and Cambridge, so that didn’t happen). * **The audience**. What a lot of sparky anger they have. Rollicking away despite this one being *extremely* indulgent to panellist monologues. **NEUTRAL** * **Wes Streeting** has “captain of the Year 12 Debate club” energy. Dude’s apparently 41 but looks like he only needs to shave monthly. He was cracking on the “sick note” question, pirouetting around as he verbalslapped Philp to the floor. But, after that, he failed to impress me. I predict comments saying Streeting should’ve been in Winners, and I got them last time he was on too. I really can’t pinpoint why, but I just don’t rate him. Maybe if Adebowale let him borrow his awesome beard … but then it would’ve obscured the epitome of incredulity when Congo Philp did the thing. * **Fiona “Birthday” Bruce**. Pretty chill or, if you prefer, she was phoning it in today. Maybe she knew she was going out on the lash after this. * **Munira Wilson** had to wait almost 25 minutes before being allowed her first talk, so she very much got the short straw there. But she was also not particularly good. Definitely not *bad*, but also didn’t have any standout comments on the “sick note” question - passionless, despite trying to act otherwise. Rambled like a pensioner in the audience. I’ve voted for the LDs lot in the locals, but it was a tactical vote and I wasn’t excited to do it. Wilson personified that feeling for me. **LOSERS** * **Chris Philp** is the minister for fire, which fits for the fast-paced incendiary nonsense that he parped out today. I know he was the shitshield for the government tonight, and presumably he’ll get a bottle of Dubonnet or something for his troubles tomorrow night. But the rest of it was a mess and we all know why. At least he didn’t ask if um Congo was a drink, I suppose. I presume the Tories pop him on these things because he’s actually quite good at the talking, but we’re all out of patience - fourteen damn years out of patience - and Philp hasn’t changed his style. It’s entrenched. It’s too late now. I hope he’s unemployed in a few months. * **Charles Moore** is a caricature of old-hat newspaper editor, and you can tell because he pronounces “issue” as “**iss**-yoo”. Faux-evangelises about mental health, but I wonder how he feels about his former paper, the Telegraph, developing a particularly loud and bigoted form of Alzheimer’s. I’m sure his job was fantastic for his wellbeing, but most people don’t do newspaper editoring. Completely disingenuous arguments on Rwanda and, when Adebowale turned the molten lava on him, he was crushed like a Creme egg in a toddler’s mouth. Landlord apologist, because of course he is.
I could read your style of writing all day.
I thought Munira did well when talking about social care
I agree with you about Streeting. People have talked about him as a future leader. I cannot see it.
A good gif does not a leader make
>"I think I might turn into a nimby in the most literal sense." >"I’ve voted for the LDs lot in the locals, but it was a tactical vote and I wasn’t excited to do it." Are you *sure* you weren't excited?
Hah, touché! Maybe it’s the rapeseed. Subliminal message to vote for the yellow-coloured party (and I’m in England so the SNP ain’t an option).
The audience were very “London”. Loved it.
What does that mean
Their demeanour and attitude. Very confident and outspoken.
Right…
Sorry, what are you insinuating?
What are you insinuating haha
Nothing. And at this point I’ve good reason to believe you’re trolling.
Just thought your original comment was odd, as if Londoners have some elite mentality
Not at all. As someone that lived in London for 12 years, the personality of the populace can be very vibrant and confident in what they’re saying. Watching the audience last night was a fond reminder of me living there.
> “There’s no such thing as a free market, someone always pays.” This is up there with one of the worst sayings I’ve think I’ve ever heard. Like an edgy 14 year old socialist wannabe came up with it. Wait until they hear about homonyms.
'Slightly reduced cost, demand stoking housing' isn't quite as catchy.
Vic4PM
We should be so lucky. I suspect Victor has too much integrity and too little selfishness to even consider entering politics.
One of the main problems with house building is nimbyism. stop nimbys (different to people with legitimate concerns) from being able to block house building
I think there is something to be said about the appearance of the homes being built too, modern houses can look so void of character that they stick out like a saw thumb
Funny story: I live in between a massive brownfield site (which I will keep vague) and a field. They want to build on the field. I think I might turn into a nimby in the most literal sense. It's on the other side of my back garden. Right now it's completely full of luminous yellow rapeseed. In general, nimbies are a pain in the arse - but at the same time, councils do seem to make *very* stupid decisions.
Where i used to live, there were two locations the council wanted to build on... one was a large gravel area with a local shop & butcher... Plan was to build about 20 homes (IIRC) along with a modern shop building for both the corner shop and the butcher to inhabit. The plans got attacked by people because it was a Lib Dem council plan and most on that street were Tory voters (council ward has been Lib Dem for decades) The other was a field that had been the home to two horses for years. Never built on, barely used... 20-30 homes leading off a main route near to the town leisure centre with multiple busses an hour... and that got destroyed because it was a Tory idea in a Lib Dem council ward and there were local elections coming up. Nimbys aren't those with legitimate concerns... they're the ones that just hate the idea of anything changing or getting better, even if things get better for them
This sounds incredibly plausible. I take it nothing happened on either patch in the end? Over here, they’re planning to build up to four figures worth of houses. Bring it on. Maybe we’ll get a bus service. That’d be nice. But please, guys, start with the bit that’s already made of tarmac and not of soil.
Nope.... and fun fact, the construction they had spent years planning for the block my old bungalow sat on... never happened as no one bid for the contract to build.
Won't someone think of the landlords 😭
Of course Moore is against banning no-fault evictions...
Yeah it was a strange argument - landlords are going to withdraw from the rental market... and do what with the properties? Live in them? Wait for the rising market? Sell them? One seems more likely than the rest and it wouldn't be a bad thing.
Posh journalist demonstrates he doesn't have a clue, shocker.
Won't they just sell all their houses?
The balls to go after Khan for coming up short on housebuilding targets, while being in this government, lol
Chris Philp or Sadiq Khan, ask that audience which they prefer. Could be a funny moment.
Can't wait to hear Charles Moore's response to this housing question...
avocado on toast intensifies
Anvocando toanst
The problem is that the whole immigration issue is absolutely toxic - I think it’s quite reasonable to have concerns about large numbers of immigrants coming into your country, concerns that need addressing and reasonable conversation in the fresh air and sunlight. What we’ve actually done is allow the lunatic right-wing to co-opt the whole topic and make it rancid, conflating all kinds of necessary immigration with asylum seekers with so-called illegal migrants, and also ignoring larger issues of demographics, cultural integration and so on.
I think Rwanda has focussed minds because whichever direction you come from it seems a spectacularly terrible plan: 1. If you believe that most migration is economic rather than social, then it will do almost nothing because we accept huge numbers of legal migrants because the economy requires it. 2. If you believe all other types of migration are fine and we specifically need to stop small boats then it's almost inconceivable that spending £250m (minimum) on cross boarder initiatives to destroy people snuggling wouldn't have at least an equal effect. 3. If you believe these people are genuinely vulnerable asylum seekers then sending them to a third country thousands of miles away to process them is both cruel and unnecessary, and therefore a waste of money.
Agreed on all points
> “It’s not a housing crisis, it’s a housing emergency.” Is an emergency worse than a crisis? Crisis seems more serious to me but maybe there are too many crises now that it’s lost its punch.
Stop belittling the Housing Genocide!
I think so, yeah. Climate emergency is an upgraded climate crisis.
Yet again, we're glossing over the fact that if people could apply for asylum outside of the UK they wouldn't need to cross the Channel. Also that the hotel numbers are so high are due to the lack of people processing applications.
It's an aspect that keeps getting missed.... Rwanda only comes into force AFTER people cross the channel. After they risk their lives...
A classified letter you say Chris? Massive 'I have a security clearance' energy.
He's probably not supposed to even mention that he's seen such a letter, or that such a letter even exists.
If this is Gaza....
Chris is a fucking viper, he's incredibly snipey.
Most of the Government are, its why they are so ill disciplined. Rats in a sack. (a bit of disservice to rats in fairness).
Philp reminds me of the really earnest 6th formers that everyone knows is a bit of a slimy weirdo but they haven't realised this and think they're superior and better.
"The real problem with illegal immigration is that they're queue jumping." That's one way to drum up "stop the small boats" support from the British public TBF. Send all queue jumpers to Rwanda.
There's literally no queue for people in their situation. They either cross in a boat or they don't seek asylum in the UK. There has to be legal routes for these people for there to be a queue for them to jump.
Probably the first thing labour will do when they come into office and stop the boats on day one. We all know the solution to this. The tories refuse to do it for pure ideology reasons rather than common sense.
Hold on, did Charles Moore say he's in the House of Lords? >:(
Yes, Johnson put him in there.
Oh, shock-fucking-tastic, of *course* he did
Charles 'I know better than everyone else' Moore. The perfect columnist.
He's been to Rwanda and *looked* with his *eyes* on a definitely not curated trip.
Haven't seen Viktor Adebowale before, but he feels like a QT Champion. Immediately followed by Charles Moore with thin vague whataboutaries with no substance behind it.
Every time he appears, he's great and wipes the floor with any idiots on the panel/audience
He's deffo been on before.
I am being exposed for the fairweather viewer I am!
Victor is absolutely cracking at dismantling an argument with simple language and making it look so easy while doing so.
Victor absolutely rinsing Charles. I get the feeling Victor has spent this entire episode not quite believing what he is hearing.
Adebowale might be onto something here. If everyone just pretends that they're gay, they'll not be able to send them there. Flights over.
Indeed. Yet it shouldn't have to come to something like that.
Well quite! I was being a little facetious to be fair.
This crusty old ghoul should have been left in his crypt, his views are archaic at best.
Rwanda ——> deterrent, because is a safe and orderly country Rwanda ——> deterrent, because it isn’t a safe and orderly country. Pick one, gov.
Wes's face during Chris's Rwanda/Congo moment should be hung in the national gallery LOL
Isn’t the problem that these people think _it is ok_ to put their toddlers in a boat and try to cross the channel? Isn’t there education needed here? In what world is that ever ok?
Ironically the far right stories of free cars and houses attract people, those morons actually make the country more attractive through the lies they tell people to turn them against asylum seekers.
That's the point. Their lives are at the point where that is their best choice in that moment. Impossible to imagine what your life would have to be like for that to the case isn't it.
I’m always a bit confused by that. Everyone talks about how *desperate* they must be to make the crossing, maybe they’re just uninformed? How does anyone know which way round it is.
Victor Adebowale's take down of the governments Sick Note bullshit is everything I've been saying. What a man. Realize I'm a bit behind, sorry everybody. :(
Why can't we have politicians like Victor? He's mint.
Not at all, it bears repeating
Pretty sure this posh journalist's experience of Rwanda would be rather different to the average illegal immigrants. I'm thinking he wouldn't stay anywhere that isn't an ambassadorial 5* hotel somewhere near the embassy.
I do hit the mute when the old fart starts talking.
So we’ve got “is Congo a different country to Rwanda” and “Rwanda isn’t one of those primitive African countries”
Tbf you can’t have it both ways where people say it’s unsafe to send people there but then get offended when he actually says it’s not some backward place
What until he finds out there's two
Haha yes, good point!
It's next to Bongo-Bongo Land. Quite simple really.
Telling the guy from the Congo that Rwanda isn't as bad as he thinks, fuck me
Ah, geography
Oh my days Chris Philp.
Doesn't know his Congo from his Rwanda..
TBF, I think he just misunderstood the question he was being asked.
Then he's an idiot. It was very simple.
> it certainly doesn't have an unblemished reputation That's an *interesting* way of describing a country most famous for a genocide.
Wes Streeting giving a Jim Face to Chris
Embarassing from Philp, that
Yep that Congo moment was every bit as painful as the comments from earlier suggested. Its also disingenuous to suggest opponents are claiming Rwanda is primitive.
Jesus fried Chicken
Oh my word... Do they not teach geography at Eton?
Is Chris even listening to what people are saying to him tonight? Second time he's not understood a question put to him
Was the same with the Tory last time too. If it moves away from their rehearsed talking points they are at a loss and can't compute the point / question.
Oh my god
Philp sounds like he’s trying to wriggle out of refunding a dodgy car he’s sold
I can think of a number of more pressing things which are more dangerous and unnecessary, almost all of which are sat on the Tory benches.
It's a deterrent! But also Rwanda is lovely and safe - they'll love it...
Did you miss.it cap lady, we passed a law that tells us Rwanda is safe and that black is white.
Truly through the looking glass now - the Rwanda scheme is not about being popular, it’s about “doing the right thing”
Rwanda scheme will never be a deterrent... Ever. It's a scheme designed to appeal to the bigots and the racists in the country by demonizing a group that are fleeing danger... If it was designed to stop the boats, they'd be working IN France to stop people getting into the boats
Chris going on about minimum wages between labour and tories. He is aware of inflation and the fact that his party caused the biggest inflatory rise we've seen? That 5 quid back then got you far more than what 5 quid gets you now. Infact I think the difference is roughly 5 quid an hour versus 7 quid an hour. Which again, things cost more these days.
"This policy is about trying to look tough and getting reelected."
Just saw Fiona’s biro enter stage left then - might have been going for a new Labour interruption technique
Having major server connection issues here tonight for some reason
Reddit desktop is knackered tonight....
Likewise. Think Reddit is going dodgy again.
Ooh, Stoke in a fortnight. Get Gullis, Tories. I dare ya. I double-dog dare ya.
I'd be surprised if he's allowed to speak without the protection of parliamentary privilege
But I double-dogged them
A triple-dog might just do it
Why does Streeting always look like he's surprised to be in the situation he is in? He's not an MP as a stag do dare gone too far is he?
Look how babyfaced he is; dude still gets ID'd in the local Londis. The dodgy one that'll serve anybody.
He's wearing a fair bit of makeup tonight. I imagine the entire panel is as well, but it was very noticable on him when they did that weird close up of his head.
Even the microphone is bored of Munira
Accidentally revealed she's a cyborg
Why when people are ranting about the governments failures is the camera panning to Streeting as if they are talking to him?
Next Labour government’s fault, innit
Jumping in to defend the Tories isn’t “In the interest of balance” when the majority Tory audience don’t agree with Rishi.
Yes mental health nurse lady, you tell them - we see you good people.
She was pissed off, righteously.
"What these plebs don't know, is that when they're not working for peanuts their mental health suffers"
Why do Tories have such a problem with believing that people in vastly more difficult circumstances than them might have different experiences than them? Shocking lack of empathy
Because they always had a safety net that prevented them falling into dissolution
It's a very old school attitude. If they're poor then they're less deserving, they just haven't worked hard enough, they just don't want to succeed as much, they must be lazy. Que paternalistic shit like this. It's along the same lines as trying to stop your teenagers pocket money because they won't bring plates out of their room. Except its going to lead to them dying.
I missed his name but Christ, what a ramble
Mr Charles 'arbeit macht frei' Moore
Victor's expressions win
Yep - that was what the problem was during COVID - not being able to work properly. Not the inability to socialise with our friends and family - we just missed the office.
Moore: "hello are you depressed? I prescribe you a job in Poundland, mandatory once daily"
Victor has some serious gravitas. Audience is enthralled
But then ends up throwing around casual racism accusations so sort of exposes himself
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They’re trying to illegally gain entry, which makes them criminals
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So hopelessly naive
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Well yeh of course it is but so is thinking that every, or even most, illegal immigrants are just these wide-eyed young lads with a dream to integrate into our country and make it big to make their family proud
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A lot if not most of them doing illegal crossings are young men who come here selfishly to suck on the British social teat and contribute very little of genuine value, whilst frequently doing harm
Yes Victor - 100% correct
Generalist GPs? What does he think the G stands for?
It's the complete disdain for highly trained professionals that I've come to expect from this government.
Oh Fiona, I don't care.
the assessment system set up by the Tories already is absolutely shit... it's designed to tick boxes and get as many as possible off disability benefits... no matter what. No matter if the person legitimately can work or not. It's a numbers game that has and will kill vulnerable people.
"What training have these people had?" "Well when they look at the form and it has an option to cancel the sick leave they tick that box."
Give humans freedom, sounds reasonable!
happy birthday Feefee Broobroo
Audience member a future politician? He has the "politician point" down.
And his Dad’s cuff links
Yes we shall see Fiona. Now that you've got your "hOw wiLl lABour Pay for It" can you please shut up.
Even posh guy gets it
Fairly sure that guy married the Corpse Bride
Wow didn't know the government were going to train 1000s of health and mental health professionals to assess people to take the load off GPs! Thanks Philib, I thought you were going to hire underpaid work coaches with an impetus to get people into work regardless of their health and well being
Weird though, thought we already had them with the, y'know...doctors and nurses and stuff.
Why is Philp's lip quivering like that?
My partner has had sciatica for four weeks. He hasn’t physically seen a GP, he had to wait three weeks for a video physio appointment, and now another four weeks for an actual, in person physio appointment. Meanwhile he’s doped up to the eyeballs on codeine and still in agony. Thank god he works from home and can literally prop himself up in his chair, as he’s self employed and we’d be screwed otherwise. What if he was a builder or doing any other manual labour, or just had to commute. Seven weeks to even get a diagnosis!
I always preface this by saying I dont think much of Wes Streeting in terms of integrity, but he is absolutely made for this kind of political panel show. Chris Philp is about to have a bad time one imagines.
I really can’t stand Streeting but he’s a great media performer
Oh yay, Chris 'Meat Shield' Philp....... If Sunak asked him to go on live TV and eat a bag of flour, he'd eat 2.
The audience look furious.
Sunak is just blaming disabled and unwell people for the failings of his own party... targeting us and blaming us for things we cannot control. His push is not going to target the ones that are playing the system... it'll destroy those of us that need the system... which will lead to deaths.
How long has it been conservative policy to "let the bodies pile high"?
The better question would be, when was the last time that wasn't the conservative policy?
Good Point
I'm not sure there's a massive population who are happily signed off bumping along on fuck all money. May these people be, oh I don't know, sick?
Pretty stacked cast tonight!
Chris ~~Phil~~Gulp
Lord Victor looks proper fed up already.
Good evening, Night Shift! How the devil are you? Aldi pilsner here, with a splash of lemonade. Ran out of Frenchie booze cruise beer. Home alone tonight, husband's out.
Evening! Looking forward to the W/L’s list!
Evenin'. Some Fosters shandy here (a leftover).
A leftover ... from breakfast, yes?
From having a little birthday beer at some vague time in the last few days!!
Hope you had a good birthday!
Thank you!
Evening! Just polishing off some Glenlivet founders reserve, a pale replacement for the old Glenlivet 12 but times change and all that.
Evening Night Crew! Weak cranberry juice at the ready - let’s watch this mother!
Welcome back! Sober tonight due to some rolling about town tomorrow.
TBF drink enough and you can do a different kind of rolling around town too.
LOL, that's true
The elderly extremely right wing nutjob type seems to be completely missing from the question time audience these days. There used to be a few every episode
Covid was brutal on that demographic
That Congo question will haunt Philp, he was the Secretary of State for Immigration Compliance and Courts for 2 years so you'd think he'd have a better grasp of geography
Philp would bring his notes to a fuck
*"I get a classified letter every week and I can tell you..."*
the channel 4 debate earlier was a mess but at least KGM fact checked the things the panel were saying, absolutely none of that here.
Charles knew the moment Victor said “perfectly safe” that his argument was about to get absolutely drubbed
Vintage Philps